Talk:List of mass panic cases
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I have added reliable sources to compare this pandemic to other more deadly flu pandemic in 1957 and 1968. Please see: the last two sources in this article. [1][2] Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.103.204.14 (talk) 05:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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Missing items
What about the Fátima apparitions of 1917, or the Havana syndrome -- the August 2017 case of 26 US embassy officials serving in Cuba who claimed hearing loss -- which only three were actually found to have, and which for those three could be ascribed to pre-existing conditions? Seems like classic cases of hysterical psychosomatic illness.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 01:09, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I remember of the event but am not up to date with the latest information. Are there reliable sources that present it as such? These sources are what we'd need to find, summarize and cite. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 01:30, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- As far as Fatima (I originally mistakenly wrote "Lourdes", but I was thinking of Fatima), whole books have been written on the subject. For example
- Port, Len; The Fátima Phenomenon - Divine Grace, Delusion or Pious Fraud?; Amazon Digital Services; Seattle, Wa.: 2012.
- Nickell, J,; Looking for a Miracle; Prometheus Books; Amherst, New York: 1992
- Also - The Miracle of Fatima
- On the Havana syndrome:
- Sonic attack or mass paranoia? New evidence stokes debate over diplomats’ mysterious illness
- The “Sonic Attack” on U.S. Diplomats in Cuba: Why the State Department’s Claims Don’t Add Up
- Cuba’s Sonic Attacks Show Us Just How Susceptible Our Brains Are to Mass Hysteria
- The Real Story Behind the Havana Embassy Mystery
- ... and many others. HTH.
- 70.89.176.249 (talk) 02:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- On the Havana syndrome:
- Thanks, I now remember that the Lady of Fatima article was on the WP:SKEPTIC's TODO a few years ago (added here), although in the current article I see no mention of hallucination, folie a deux, hysteria, etc, so would have to verify if it has not been whitewashed since (or never updated). We probably should first assess these sources, ensure that the articles themselves be updated, then if the result is a mention of mass hysteria or mass psychogenic illness etc, they would likely belong here as well... Other than WikiProject Skepticism there also is the fringe theories noticeboard, that can be useful for collaboration when needed. Sorry if you already know these, I don't have a very good memory of IP addresses. —PaleoNeonate – 11:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- And miracle of the sun (Special:Diff/778385560) —PaleoNeonate – 11:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Then their removal, giving an idea of the time frame to audit —PaleoNeonate – 12:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Update: In relation to Fatima: so the difference within that period is this and difference between then and now... No apparent mention there so far. Will have to check the suggested sources. —PaleoNeonate – 17:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Assessing web sources (Fatima, didn't look at the books yet):
- psychologytoday - blog, only usable if the author is an expert on the topic
- livescience - apparently usable (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 65#Is LiveScience.com a reliable source?) and does mention mass hysteria
- —PaleoNeonate – 20:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Corona virus
Since March 12, several new editors and IP editors have added sections or sentences stating that the novel coronovirus pandemic has led to mass hysteria. One wrote that cancelation or postponement of events led to harm to the US economy, another removed that, it wrote that buying face masks and hand sanitizer was mass hysteria, and another cited cases of people forming long line to buy toilet paper and fighting over it constituted mass hysteria. No reliable source was cited at all from March 12 until today in which a doctor said that canceling or postponing events, closing nonessential businesses, quarantining infected or exposed persons, or social distancing were not public health measures. Hoarding and fighting over toilet paper smacks of panic and irrationality, but is not presented as a false belief that it is a physical illness. It lacks the aspects of being a conversion hysteria like the swooning of youths described in several other sections. It is original research for editors to see a news article about two women fighting over a consumer good and based on their own opinion write about the “Toilet paper hysteria of 2020.” Find and cite reliable sources calling that before release-adding it to the article. Thus is not to say it will never be viewed as such, but the case has not been made yet. Please do not use the encyclopedia to further US political ideologies. Before adding it to this list, it would be a good idea to create a stand-alone article about it, with inline citations to reliable sources. Edison (talk) 16:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
— I have made some of those edits, mostly reformatting what was already there but also adding the source about the fighting etc. I realize now that you are right and that perhaps it should be removed from the list altogether. To be fair, similar behaviour of panic buying and hoarding is probably nothing all too uncommon and happens most likely every there is a feeling of impending danger in society. - Xashm 26 March 2020 —Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- An IP editor has continued to add similar language about the coronavirus pandemic to the article. The only citation given does not support the text of the edits; it is an article titled "Mass Panic Is Unlikely, Even During a Pandemic" in Wired [1]. I have asked the IP editor to join the discussion here instead of edit warring. BananaCarrot152 (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I have been following these edits and clearly the current pandemic has become a mass hysteria event. Yet editors on Wikipedia keep deleting the citations about this, as mentioned above. Other pandemics such as the 1957 and 1968 flus killed millions worldwide (many more than the coronovirus pandemic), yet only the medical community got involved in ensuring there would be enough hospital beds. The media and non-scientist politicians were not making recommendations or decisions, affecting all lives on the planet. The rate of mortality is similar to flu, not even close to the black plagues than killed 80% of those who got it during the middle ages. It is not even close to the Spanish flu of 1918, which was much worse that any of the pandemics in the last century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.122.210.71 (talk) 19:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
- You're mistaken about the mortality rate. Also, it's because of the radical measures and modern medicine that it's not more out of control. The hoarding could possibly be considered a form of temporary hysteria, but we still need reliable sources covering it as such as well as consensus that it's WP:DUE for the article. —PaleoNeonate – 19:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Comparing COVID-19 death rate to Hong Kong flu & Asian flu
I wanted to ask other's opinions about this edit and address some concerns I have with it. The edit says "Governments shut down whole economies, although the pandemic has less deaths on a global basis then the 1968 flu pandemic which killed 1 million people Hong Kong flu or 1957 Asian flu pandemic which killed 1.1 million people 1957–1958 influenza pandemic." Sources: [2][3]
The main concern I have with the edit is that it seems to be very plainly original research, specifically synthesis - which is against Wikipedia policy. It seems the writing says governments shut down "whole economies" even though the death rate is lower than past pandemics - implying that there was no reason to shut down, even though the sources don't compare these two things. It's not reliably sourced or neutral, in my opinion. If there was a reliable source backing up what was written, I would not have reverted. Even if there was one, though, neither source mentions "hysteria" at all, so the info doesn't seem connected to this article. - Whisperjanes (talk) 06:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lmao I can't just help but laugh that someone thought standard infection control was mass hysteria because it hadn't killed as many as two previous flu pandemics yet. It's killed more than the two combined just in case ya missed it. It's people like this, those who are incapable of comprehending things getting bigger or exponential growth, is the very reason we're in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a hundred years. -AndrewRG10 (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
US Election
A politico article that makes no mention about hysteria is the source for adding a highly charged claim that the entire US Republican party is experiencing a mass hysteria? The article only outlines some of Trumps viewpoints and doesn't discuss the Republican party at all.
Wikipedia keeps slipping further into the void.
Adding my agreement with the above. Paul Siraisi (talk) 12:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Boldly removing this. The article makes no mention of “mass hysteria”, nor should a single Politico article be used to make this claim. CatcherStorm talk 12:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Here is a recent article: US Capitol riot: Trump supporters could have had a mass psychosis 07:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Conservative satirist P. J. O'Rourke called it in 2016: "America is experiencing the most severe outbreak of mass psychosis since the Salem witch trials of 1692." In Anything is better than Trump’s hand on nuclear button 07:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Internet hysteria
It's probably dumb to ask this, but should this whole 'Amogus' fiasco be classified as mass hysteria? 2601:580:8200:7B90:D07C:EC28:D28B:FD8F (talk) 16:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Honestly, it probably should. If nothing else, it's the largest-scale example of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon I can think of. Shawn3462 (talk) 05:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. I don’t think that a game suddenly becoming very popular is mass hysteria. There are no signs of illness. Jtrrs0 (talk) 10:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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The "2000s" section should be changed to "2000-present". 42.60.240.68 (talk) 14:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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