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what are the sources for this information?

Some of this information seems to be outdated. The poverty rate is way too high and I don't really think it is among the the top 10 poorest. Also there is data collected from 1995. Today the literacy rate is higher and now stands around 84 percent. Not 79 percent as stated from 1995.

The army that established a settlement in 1524 comprised primarily of other indigenous nations so referring to it as solely European isn't entirely correct. It also explains why nowadays the majority of the Salvadorean population isn't European either. The native population and biracials, from the outset or early on, played a major role in the colonization era.

'In the case of these Arab-Salvadorans, although not all the families arrived together, they were the ones that lead the economy in the country.’

Where is the source for the assertive assertion that this particular minority ‘lead the economy’ in the country? While it’s true that several Salvadoreans of Arab ancestry have done quite well in business, there are many more Salvadoreans of other backgrounds with successful businesses as well so it's highly unlikely that that claim is correct

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CIA World Factbook Reliabilty

As discussed a number of times The CIA World Factbook is not used as a Reliable Source on Wikipedia since it does not cite its sources nor can be independently verified. Also there is no ethnic division in Latin America between self-defined Mestizos and Whites. It is pointless to provide estimates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook#Factual — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huasteca (talk • contribs) 12:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If CIA World Factbook is unreliable, then you should instead find a better source, rather than erase everything Cobaltous (talk) 18:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that there is no reliable source dividing Salvadorans between "whites" and "mestizos" - certainly not quantifying them. White isn't even a biological concept in Latin America and "mestizo" is a term which is used in the abstract rather than referring to a specific group of people. Being one or the other is subjective and one of self-perception and sometimes ideology. Some people may or may not wish to identify as white in differing contexts. There is certainly no internal racial boundary within the country. Salvadorans may also be percieved as white in some (most) countries and as non-white in others - namely the US. Huasteca (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mestizo vs White

As mentioned, there is no reliable source either official nor unofficial which divides Salvadorans between two distinct white and mestizo ethnic groups nor gives figures for either. Beyond the entire notion being creepy and racist, it is simply unsourceable. If you want a section on the overall genetic make-up of Salvadorans, I have no issue with that. Otherwise creating false racial internal boundary is simply not possible. --Huasteca (talk) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Huasteca it is obvious that you are targeting Salvadoran pages in specific and not the other Latin American pages with your racial beliefs. The Census in El Salvador has in fact allowed it's citizens to identify themselves with different ethnic groups of El Salvador. It is also obvious that you are bent in erasing African contributions in El Salvador. El Salvador, Mestizos and Whites are not combined as the same people. Mestizo Salvadorans have indigenous ancestry while white Salvadorans do not. Rather than erasing all of the information, you should instead look for better sources Cobaltous (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pardo Salvadorans

Pardo Salvadorans do not exist. The term is not used in El Salvador nor is there a sizeable Afro-descended population in the country (i.e. above 1%). There may be individuals who have African roots, as there are in every country in the world, from Japan to Ireland, but they do not represent a section of the Salvadoran population. Sources do not support "Pardos" are an ethnicity or section of the Salvadoran population. I will wait for 24 hours until the editor proponent of this provides a valid source or argument countering this fact before deleting the section.Huasteca (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These were given from reliable sources but you dismissed them because it did not fit your narrative. No one has ever stated that El Salvador has a "large and pure" African heritage. It is stated that African were in fact brought to El Salvador during and after the colonization and have contributed in the ethnic composition of El Salvador. Yet you deny this and see African heritage in El Salvador as harmful and worth denying. People with African heritage are present in El Salvador and the term Pardo which means tri-racial was used to identify people of tri-racial background African, Indigenous and European. That fact that your pushing to deny this does say a lot. In fact the Ministry of Culture of El Salvador did a complete informative documentary called (Piezas de Indias) about African history in El Salvador where this is confirmed by investigators and historians. 

Cobaltous (talk) 19:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


This is original research and based on your own world view. There is no ethnic groups called "Pardo" in El Salvador and whether individuals exist with substantial Sub-Saharan African ancestry is debatable and unlikely. This is neither bad nor good. I have nothing against afro-descended communities where they are present - countries such as Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica do have them. Just not El Salvador. Claiming otherwise is simply silly and I believe based on ideology more than anything else. If you can point to one known Salvadoran who looks African or identifies as "Pardo" then I will let it go. --Huasteca (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the title to Afro-Salvadorans and added additional sources. It has never been stated that Salvadorans identify as "Pardo". It is stated that the word Pardo WAS used in colonial El Salvador to describe people with tri-racial heritage. So your accusations are erroneous. You are asking me to point to ONE known Salvadoran who looks African? Like i said, watch the documentary "Piezas de indias Africanos en El Salvador", and you will see many. You are telling me to point to Salvadorans who identifies as Pardo? I have never stated that Afro-Salvadorans identify as Pardo. Like i said above, it is stated that the word Pardo WAS used to describe people of tri-racial heritage in colonial El Salvador not today. Cobaltous (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned in Salvadorans, there is no consensus definition of who is and isn't white. There is no sizeable or identifiable Afro-Salvadorese population. Huasteca (talk) 17:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As long as Mexico and the other Latin American pages have Mestizos and Whites as separate ethnic groups, the Salvadoran demographics pages will too. Sources for Afro-Salvadorans were presented, so the section will remain Cobaltous (talk) 19:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring from a bias nationalist user

Huasteca, a Mexican-based user and nationalist who mainly and frequently targets El Salvador's ethnic composition and edit these pages according to his own personal racial views, yet only apply these views in the Salvadorans pages and not the Mexican demographic pages, he neglect to answer why he makes exception to all Latin American pages except for the one's relation to El Salvador. This user makes changes in the Demographics of El Salvador as well and removes sources that don't fit his personal racial agenda despite advices to find better sources rather than going into a erasing rampage. I tried to act civil with this user but he persistently keep editing Salvadoran pages with valuable information for weeks. When confronted with reliable sources he dismiss these and begins on a edit warring rampage over and over again. When Sources are presented, he erases them out of spite. This user seems to be infatuated with race in El Salvador and seems to be bent on erasing African, Indigenous and European contributions in El Salvador. Cobaltous (talk) 03:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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