Talk:The Good Shepherd (film)

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Who did it?

I am still confused over, who was the source of the leak about Bay of Pigs? Please explain better--Drussel3 12:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edward's son.

My take would be to say that the leak comes from the Valentin Mironov/Arch Cummming's treachery and maybe or in a more minor way from Edward Jr.'s indiscretion. The latter having further been instrumentalised by "Ulysses" as a mean of pressure upon Wilson. It seems to to me that Wilson unmasking Valentin/Cumming after having discovered that the sex-tape/photo was of his son supports this. Since stopping the investigation after having identified the "stranger" would be logical. But honestly I'm rather confused over the plot too so...

While Mironov & Cumming's were both spys (obviously), the source of the leak was Edward's son. Ulysses had the tape of Edward's son saying the Spanish word for "Bay of Pigs", which was how they knew where to find the Americans. Bjewiki 12:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, you 're right on this. But then what was the point of Ulysses attempted blackmail with the sex-photo/tape? Since nor Ed Jr. neither Wilson himself were rendered responsible for the leak after the photo was identified. The only thing CIA did was to kill off the russian agent, Ed Jr.'s fiancee. Did the KGB really bet on Wilson compassion for his son's love-life? Or maybe it wasn't CIA who killed off the fiancee? I'm still confused.

"Tufano" vandalism

Note that edits inserting supposed information about "Marc Tufano" are vandalism and should be reverted on sight. This has affected multiple articles (Robert De Niro, The Beatles, etc. etc.) -- Curps 18:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning?

I just saw this movie yesterday (it was my mother's birthday present to me, actually) and while I enjoyed it, something's been nagging me since. Both my mom and I have asked several others who've seen it what the title of the film means- since unless we missed it, there is no such reference to it in the film itself. Mom surmises that it could be a reference to James Jesus Angleton's middle name. Any ideas? --72.49.117.53 01:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)dethtoll[reply]

My husband and I just saw this movie this afternoon. I believe the title might refer to Jesus Christ calling himself "The Good Shepherd". That is one who puts all before the good of his sheep. In the movie, Matt Damon might be looked upon as a good shepherd as he put everything (family,friends, soul) before his sheep (his country). The website for the quotation is: http://www.2pi.info/bible/studies/ShepherdStudy/GoodShepherd.html --72.197.239.94 07:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)C.Clarke[reply]

I'm not too sure what the films title does mean but i do remember watching the film and hearing them say 'shepherd' but i cant remember when, perhaps getting the script and searching for the word might give a clue to the meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blah0401 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

See The Good Shepherd (religion). --Mathew5000 14:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I agree with the assessment that "The Good Shepherd" is Damon's character, based on James Jesus Angleton and the Christian religious reference. That makes sense to me. I've seen it 5 times now.

Wow, why did you see it so many times? I will probably go again. -- Rollo44 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of things are bugging me. First is, what exactly is the significance of the first scene, dollar bill serial number lookup that corresponds to the agent Cardinal? There's a quote there that says "Cardinal wants to talk", or "Cardinal is coming in" or something. At the end of the film, before the killing of Ed Jr.'s fiancee, Edward gives a dollar bill to Ulysses' aide (Sasha?), saying, "It's a CARDINAL rule to be generous in a democracy." Is this a betrayal of a CIA asset to Ulysses so that Edward Jr. fiancee (Kokoh?) is to be killed (a trade)? Who has Kokoh killed? The CIA or KGB? It is interesting to me that when Edward comforts his son at the church, he says that he didn't have Kokoh killed, but yet quotes his son on the tape saying "I love you, I love you so much". Is this a way of communicating, that in fact, Edward Jr. through his indiscretion, has had Kokoh killed? The last thing is the Bay of Pigs list. Allen and Hayes both ask Edward for the "Zasomething" list (of people who knew). There isn't one because it's a silent op. It almost sounds like "The Zapruder List", but obviously my paranoia has taken over at this point. What is that word before list? Allen also says "Rockingchair is smiling". I take that to mean that President Kennedy likes the Bay of Pigs invasion plan and has given thumbs up. Oh, yeah, it's a dirty blonde hair that falls out of the Ulysses book (before Edward captures Modin). Who does that hair belong to? Edward Jr.? Thanks.\

"Cardinal" was the code name for a CIA spy. The reference at the end "It's a CARDINAL rule", was showing that Ulysses' aide was a spy for the CIA. Bjewiki 12:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: error

"In the scene where young Edward remembers the day of his father's suicide, he states that his father was an admiral. However the the uniform shown is that of a Navy Captain."

This is not necessarily an error. Admirals (generally) are captains before they are admirals. Oh, wait, the guy suicided. Listen, people, I've been awake for almost thirty-four hours. Go stick your heads in pigs. So I shot my mouth off without RingTA. Shoe me. Shoemaker-Levy me. Levy me a tax to build a better bomb...er...encyclopaedia. Woof woof meow pow how now brown cow la di da dow (dow jones). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.95.96.136 (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Vandalism

Looks as though people are editing this based on the fact that they fail to note that it is a fictional film and are taking it as though it is presented as a non-fictional work. Suggest that editing be limited to registered users. Someone keeps vandalising sections with unnecessary personal commentary.Nf utvol 03:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the Correlations with Non-Fictional Events section needs to be fixed; it's written like a conversation, not an entry. 63.229.196.75 21:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]