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Beal College Now Beal University

Hi. Some months ago I made several edits to the Beal College page and you told me to stop. The current page needs further edits as they have changed the name of the school to Beal University. If you could make those edits it would be appreciated.

https://beal.edu/

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/education/beal-college-gets-a-name-change/97-a5719d9c-9870-4e42-ab21-780e8dbdf059

Thanks a ton! Will.rosenberger (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MSJC STEM Honors Society

Hi, ElKevbo..

I would appreciate it if my post on a new STEM Honors society can be highlighted within Mt San Jacinto College's Wikipedia page as it is an important part of the college's STEM culture on campus.

Here are some links to check out about the national organization itself:

https://www.nstem.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juHYDfYtB8Q

I can fix up some of the parts. I see that you added that it is "way too detailed and there is no reason to highlight this one student organization," I can make it shorter. No problem, just don't mess with the page again, please!

Thanks again, MTiwari12 (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)MTiwari12MTiwari12 (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

University of New Haven

Please excuse the ignorance on how to reply - I'm not sure I've ever received a message from a moderator, before. (I also posted this on my Talk page - wasn't sure which was correct.) I do work at University of New Haven, and, have added the citation you suggested to my User page re: being paid by the University (although not necessarily for edits; they're just part of my larger job).

The edits I'm attempting to make to the University of New Haven page are all factual and I have/am providing references, most of which are updates to the previous reference links cited on Wikipedia. If the edits or citations should be made in another way, can you help me to understand how we should go about this? Or, is my paid citation on my page (just added) sufficient? Thanks, Matt MMcCulloughatnewhavendotedu (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wentworth revert

Hi ElKevbo, I noticed that you reverted Wentworth Institute of Technology to your previous edit. This also reverted the text I removed from the article that I deemed promotional and/or non-notable. Was the reversion of my edits unintentional, or are you concerned about the information I removed? Do you want me to wait until the situation is a little calmer before making edits to the article again? Z1720 (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Completely unintentional. Sorry about that! I'll fix it up. ElKevbo (talk) 21:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I didn't want to edit an article if it was going to be reverted. I'll take another look at it later. Z1720 (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desegregation: Mercer University

Mercer was the first private University in the South to voluntarily desegregate. I do not believe that there is any scholarly debate on this point. Two examples (specific to GA): The University of Georgia desegregated beforehand; it was by court mandate. Emory University voluntarily desegrated; it occurred after Mercer. This seems an important note for Wikipedia to make, not only about Mercer but about the history of desegregation in the South. However, when I made this suggestion--backed by multiple scholarly footnotes-- you removed the claim. Why? Do you think it is not true? Or, if true, do you oppose it being included? Is there, perhaps, a different way in which you would like the fact to be phrased? Please share your thoughts. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:A409:AC00:A8F8:B519:C18B:4F50 (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revert at USAFA and USNA

Hey, would you be able to help me understand why you reverted me at USNA and USAFA? I was trying to condense the alternate name sections, since "Navy" only refers to the athletic program (not the Academy as a whole), "the Academy" is very vague, and "Air Force Academy" is implied in the name itself and does not add anything to the lead, etc. Thanks!Garuda28 (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree about "Navy" only being used in an athletic context and even if that were the case it's still so common that it merits inclusion in the lede; there are many other articles where there is similar usage of a nickname.
I'll revert my edits to the AFA article; those are good arguments (which would have been helpfully expressed in an edit summary). ElKevbo (talk) 01:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's fair. I've been trying to get better about using edit summaries - I'll take this as a reminder to try to use them more. Thanks!Garuda28 (talk) 01:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New message from ManuelLopezz

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Perhaps this will help

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References

  1. ^ Christine Greenhow; Julia Sonnevend; Colin Agur (2016). Education and Social Media: Toward a Digital Future. MIT Press. pp. 189–191. ISBN 978-0-262-03447-0.
  2. ^ Enakshi Sengupta; Patrick Blessinger (2019). Language, Teaching and Pedagogy for Refugee Education. Emerald Publishing Limited. pp. 186–187. ISBN 978-1-78714-799-7.
Moxy- 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Florida Board of Governors

I reverted your deletion of the membership list. Listing the names is not unnecessary detail. It is the only concise summary of the backgrounds of membership of this important decision-making body. Will Hanley (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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University of the Pacific (UOP)

Hello, I am new to talking on Wikipedia, so I hope this is the right place to post this. You inquired about my connection to UOP, and I wanted to let you know that I am a student and I work for them as well. Cleaning up the Wikipedia pages are a project I have taken on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JCUOP66 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia Wesleyan University

Thanks Kevin. As an example, your own University does not use IPEDS on their Wikipedia listing because IPEDS isn't all inclusive. They have drop-off dates that don't take into account online, weekend and adult programs. The figures you reference are only traditional and fall only. University of Delaware, Goldey-Beacom College, Delaware State University, and Delaware Tech also do not reference IPEDS figures but use their own -- for the same reason.

Editor4editor (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IPEDS does include online students. But the broader point of "if you have a source with more accurate or better information please cite it" stands. Removing a well understood and commonly used data source without replacing it with something "better" is not helpful. ElKevbo (talk) 20:44, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brandman University Edit

Hello! I'm new in the wikipedia world. BU is rebranding to University Massachusetts soon and I'm wondering if you can make the edit for this upcoming big news? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennybanh016 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jennybanh016: Can you please provide some sources for this change? Sources independent of the institution are usually best. ElKevbo (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brandman University Rebrand

Good morning ElKevbo,

JennyBanH06 who was communicating with you regarding this but she is unable to post. I am new to Wikipedia as well, and would like to provide you with some sources for the partnership between Brandman University and the University of Massachusetts. The partnership will include a rebrand and name change.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/06/17/umass-onlines-grand-plan-partnership-brandman https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/06/university-of-massachusetts-scaling-up-online-learning-partners-with-californias-brandman-university-on-adult-education.html https://www.highereddive.com/news/umass-partners-with-brandman-to-expand-online/580047/ https://www.umb.edu/news/detail/umass_to_expand_online_educational_opportunities_for_adults_through_strategic_partnership_between_umass_online_and_brandman_university https://www.brandman.edu/about-brandman/umassglobalfaqs https://www.brandman.edu/news-and-events/news/chapman-university-announces-strategic-partnership-between--umass-online-and-brandman-university

The name has not officially changed until the launch. I am not an employee of either institution but do have a working relationship with them. ShanYoung.Writer (talk) 15:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ShanYoung.Writer: What will the new name be and when it will the change be effective? ElKevbo (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ElKevbo,

Following is the information I was given by the institution in public affairs and other offices. Can you update the profile with where we are in the process now? In transition. You can use the below links to do that: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/06/17/umass-onlines-grand-plan-partnership-brandman https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/06/university-of-massachusetts-scaling-up-online-learning-partners-with-californias-brandman-university-on-adult-education.html https://www.highereddive.com/news/umass-partners-with-brandman-to-expand-online/580047/ https://www.umb.edu/news/detail/umass_to_expand_online_educational_opportunities_for_adults_through_strategic_partnership_between_umass_online_and_brandman_university https://www.brandman.edu/about-brandman/umassglobalfaqs https://www.brandman.edu/news-and-events/news/chapman-university-announces-strategic-partnership-between--umass-online-and-brandman-university

We anticipate a decision on the final name from the Department of Education(DOE) by mid 2021. Pending approval, we will officially change the name from Brandman University to University of Massachusetts Global. At that time, the University of Massachusetts Global will have new board members, new brand colors, etc. We can provide that information when the strategic partnership is official if you would be willing to update it at that time.

Currently: There are many outdated references listed. Are you open to changing those as well if we provide the updated links?

For example:

Fact Book: https://www.brandman.edu/-/media/documents/marketingresourcedocuments/bu_fact-book_2020.pdf?la=en&hash=45DE85B0AE191A8E82789F5C926DA087D4DE30DB

Let me know what you think and if you have any questions. ShanYoung.Writer (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agnes Scott College - Adding Graduate Programs

Hi, I would like to add Agnes Scott's graduate programs to the Wikipedia page. Please see sources for the graduate programs: Agnes Scott Graduate Programs. Can the changes I make not be reversed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C6:C700:23E0:38B3:C3A9:A8:F37 (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I've already written at the Help desk, I recommend reviewing our advice for college and university articles. In general, we don't include listings of every academic program, just a broad overview of the academic offerings of an institution. (WP:NOTCATALOG is the broader, project-wide policy that I think is most applicable.)
You should also review our policies related to paid editing and conflicts of interest. It's usually not a good idea to edit your employer's article. ElKevbo (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Education Dynamics

ElKevbo, any chance you could weigh in on Education Dynamics and whether is is worthy of any article? I respect your objectivity on this issue, either way you decide.--CollegeMeltdown (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

West Chester Academic Affiliations

I see your point on some of the affiliations, but not all. The Keystone Library Network is exclusive to only a few colleges in Pennsylvania, therefore it should be included on the page. Also, institutions like Penn State University have the AAU in their affiliations. Football3434 (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about the library network to make a firm argument against its inclusion so I'm fine if you want to restore it. But the other affiliations are not exclusive and don't tell readers anything substantive. (AAU is very exclusive and tells readers a lot about the fewer than 100 research universities who are members.) ElKevbo (talk) 20:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Berkeley College

Hello,

We communicated a few months ago regarding updates to the Berkeley College Wikipedia page. I submitted a request for edits on the talk page last week. I was hoping you can assist with making these updates.

Thank you! CDonaldson1931 (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Replies

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Education Reform

I am working on Education Reform page for a school project. I noticed that the current lead section is lacking citations on every sentence. I am working to improve this. You reverted my changes stating "there is no need for 2 lead sections" i agree. can you take a look at my sandbox draft and my proposed lead section? and maybe offer me some suggestions on how to incorporate the two. :) thank you . User:Lcwest/Education reform Lead Section

also..i worked out the 20th century + timeline of reform legislation ... i'd like to add the information. what do you think?Lcwest (talk) 23:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lcwest: It looks pretty good! A few comments:
  • We generally don't want to have many or any citations in the lede of an article. That is because the lede is generally a summary of what is discussed in more detail in the body of the article and that's typically where we place all of the individual citations. It's not an ironclad rule, however, and there are certainly times we need citations in the lede. But I find it's often best to write the lede with material that is broad and clearly supported in more detail in the body.
  • I almost always think it's best to have the very first sentence of an article written with a clear definition of the subject and that almost always involves a straight forward formulation of "<Subject> is <concise definition>." The lede in your draft opens by telling us what education reform does but it doesn't tell what it is.
  • The second and third paragraphs in your draft lede are very U.S.-centric. They would work well in a section of the article about the U.S. but they don't seem to work well in an article about this topic in an encyclopedia with an international audience. An alternative, of course, is to propose that the article be moved to "Education reform in the United States" and that would resolve this issue (but raise the new issue of "Why isn't there an article about this topic in a broader sense?"). The current article is certainly long enough to support a spin-off article focused on the U.S. but you'd need to also move and incorporate much of the U.S.-focused material in the current article, too.
  • I worry about the timeline because it only cites one source of middling quality and the timeline doesn't even adhere to that one source. Without additional citations and adherence to those sources, it looks like you've done some of your own research and that is not something we support in Wikipedia. I'm sure that you're very knowledgeable and that you've written that in good faith but we insist on material in articles being drawn from reliable sources to ensure that our articles are high quality.
  • You and your colleagues should also bear in mind that much of what you're writing only applies to the k-12 sector; you haven't written much about higher or continuing education. That's not necessarily a problem and I'm not suggesting that you need to expand the scope of your work. But you might want to look into clarifying your scope in the labels of your sections so that readers understand your scope.
Best of luck! ElKevbo (talk) 23:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UC Hastings

Your a complete A-hole is what you are. Your hypocrisy is laughable. You’re warning me by trying to say I will be banned lol? For what? For actually creating content and sourcing it from an actual source? All you’ve done is gone in and deleted my well written and sourced content. You’re not collaborating or adding anything to the page. You’re pathetic, small and a worthless editor. Go climb into a hole so the world can be a better place.FirstPrezzzz1776 (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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