Talk:Vermont

Intro section too long

The history paragraphs of the intro to the article are too long, and hopefully eventually I'll come back to this and shorten it up so as to be comparable to other states intro sections. No need for the history in such detail if it's expanded upon in the history section of the article. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 04:04, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Previously sovereign states

This has a section that says "Vermont is one of the four U.S. states that were previously sovereign states (along with Texas, California, and Hawaii)." This is incorrect. First, California was never actually a recognized sovereign state with a constitution. It was formed by 33 people. Their claim to fame was they made a flag. Sorry, that doesn't count. Second. All 13 colonies were internationally recognized as sovereign states by the Treaty of Paris, and would maintain that until at least the ratification of the constitution in 1788, or until the US civil war and the 14th amendment, depending on whose narrative you follow. This puts the number at 16 previously sovereign states that joined the Union.

New England? Northeast? both?

It's amusing to see the different opinions held by editors, including me, concerning how the first sentence should describe the region that Vermont is in. At various times it has said New England or Northeastern U.S. or both New England and Northeastern U.S. I suspect it will continue to switch around forever. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 22:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I would say New England is preferable, because it is a smaller subset of states than the northeast. I would imagine it is more frequently called a New England state than a northeastern state too. Also, the other five New England states all use New England and not northeastern (even Connecticut). -- Calidum 22:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Let's decide here and now with a poll to get a sense of a consensus. HopsonRoad (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Poll: New England, Northeastern United States or both?

• New England because of the common culture and history of the region. Those unfamiliar with New England can follow the link to where the lead sentence of the article states, "New England is a region comprising six states in the Northeastern United States: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut." This allows the reader to follow the link to Northeastern United States, in case they need further context. HopsonRoad (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
• New England because the state and municipal government is similar among New England states, compared to other northeastern states. For example, a certain degree of direct government by the people at the town level, and counties that are relatively weak (or non-existent in Connecticut).

I'll also add a ditty, which can be found many places, such as https://bbteam.com/2013/11/26/thanksgiving-pie-breakfast/

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To easterners, a Yankee is an New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

Jc3s5h (talk) 03:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

"USA, Vermont" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect USA, Vermont. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 29#USA, Vermont until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

"USA Vermont" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect USA Vermont. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 29#USA Vermont until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)