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Hello. In a recent edit, you have applied general notability tag on it which I believe should not be done Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world and our policy is to help Wikipedia articles and create article better. It's safe to say you have no idea on that topic. Kindly please don't add tag again.
If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on @bursubba (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Wiki break
breaks are good for health :-) Dont stare at your laptop/mobile for too long :D Come back fresh and keep some of the strong emotions aside. It helps! Best! Vikram Vincent 17:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, thankyou for your support. I could not hold much long without any editing and came back as soon as possible as I can:). I also feels much relaxed now. I hope I can do much better from now on. Now lets argue against each other in some AFD's:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- LOL thanks for the offer :-) Real life is way more exciting than the online world ;-) Vikram Vincent 13:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome back, Kichu!!! Beccaynr (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you dear Beccaynr. I thought I would be gone for a long time, but just found that I am a person who need wikipedia more than it needs me!! I'm eagerly waiting to get involved with you in AFD's :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am glad that you are feeling better, and I think we will have to agree to disagree about how much Wikipedia needs you ;-) See you at AfD! Beccaynr (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you dear Beccaynr. I thought I would be gone for a long time, but just found that I am a person who need wikipedia more than it needs me!! I'm eagerly waiting to get involved with you in AFD's :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'd say Wikipedia needs us ;-) so much cruft to clean up and so little time :D Vikram Vincent 13:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Definetely Vikram. So much amount of thrashes exist here (mainly some politicians and some educational institutions) and thats the main reason I came back so fast. I wanna make this encyclopedia neat and clean. I also reviwed a huge load of Wikiproject India related drafts submiitted at AFC, thus clearing the heavy backlog. Only a few them were moved into mainspace. Still some more articles exist there, which I am unable to review due to my less experience in some areas. It would be really great if somebody like you with some experience at AFD also joins the project. You have 90 percent success rate at AFD discussions whereas mine is 86. Im still wondering why you are not applying for the membership. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 14:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hahaha maybe I'm cherry-picking articles that are truly bad while you are working on more difficult ones. BTW I think both Shuchi and Sindhu pages should have closed with no-consensus. They were held to a benchmark that was above average. Plus, I like improving articles rather than simply deleting them. It is only if I find they are not salvageable that I nominate them for AFD. Vikram Vincent 15:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I was also slighly surprised about Sindhu Joy. I thought it would be relisted for more consensus. By the way I would love to hear a straight forward answer from you regarding my suggestion of you joining AFC :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW my indenting is based on my reply to your msg right at the top and not to Beccaynr. I'll consider AFC once my priority work list offline clears up. I'm working on some thinking skills related programmes and this was one such by-product https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims Vikram Vincent 15:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, I had already read this essay written by you and hope that it will be published soon. It is pretty good actually and I wish you all the best. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW my indenting is based on my reply to your msg right at the top and not to Beccaynr. I'll consider AFC once my priority work list offline clears up. I'm working on some thinking skills related programmes and this was one such by-product https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vincentvikram/Always_keep_context_in_mind_when_arguing_claims Vikram Vincent 15:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I was also slighly surprised about Sindhu Joy. I thought it would be relisted for more consensus. By the way I would love to hear a straight forward answer from you regarding my suggestion of you joining AFC :). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hahaha maybe I'm cherry-picking articles that are truly bad while you are working on more difficult ones. BTW I think both Shuchi and Sindhu pages should have closed with no-consensus. They were held to a benchmark that was above average. Plus, I like improving articles rather than simply deleting them. It is only if I find they are not salvageable that I nominate them for AFD. Vikram Vincent 15:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hola! I had a look at your AFD stats where you are the nom and find it is around 74% https://afdstats.toolforge.org/afdstats.py?name=Kashmorwiki&max=&startdate=&altname=&nomsonly=true I hope you will reflect on the nominations. Sometimes we may have a notion of notability which may be above average which will lead to failure. Since you are helping with AFC I think some of the lessons may be important. Best! Vikram Vincent 14:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- First of all, thanks for the advice Vikram and you are very well right. But one thing is that out of that 26 percentage, all of them were on the edge of deletion. (If Im right, I had only made one utter mistake while nominating an article for AFD. I didnt noticed the subject was an MLA). Some of them didnt had consensus. As Im currently very active at AFC, I believe I have more experience now with our guidelines. Im learning things :). Thanks for your advice again. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW I see that your vote recorded on Surendran was keep :D I think you need to only highlight the specific phrase of Keep/delete/merge/redirect/userfy etc Vikram Vincent 15:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I dont know why that happened. I actually commented something like Cannot keep until new policy has been adopted. Hence delete. I should have also included Comment. My bad:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I would have had a 100% if not for a wrongly placed highlighting. BTW if you want to improve quality do consider starting with the lowest levels first and then move upwards. If you start with the middle or above you will find it difficult to take others with you. Vikram Vincent 16:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I dont know why that happened. I actually commented something like Cannot keep until new policy has been adopted. Hence delete. I should have also included Comment. My bad:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- BTW I see that your vote recorded on Surendran was keep :D I think you need to only highlight the specific phrase of Keep/delete/merge/redirect/userfy etc Vikram Vincent 15:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- At least that wrong highlight improved your percentage ;-) Vikram Vincent 16:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, Thankyou toolforge :) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- At least that wrong highlight improved your percentage ;-) Vikram Vincent 16:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that a new editor Shakespeare has been POV pushing. I have given two warnings as of now and reverted a lot of their edits while calling for discussion on the talk page. Vikram Vincent 08:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, I noticed lot of suspicious activity. And my gut says Im right. But it can be also a coincidence. Can you have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man/Archive and look at the name of some of the socks. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:42, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Will check the SPI a little later Vikram Vincent 09:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Since you have already !voted, my argument is that the invocation of UAPA is not BLP1E as it is a long period which tends to get covered in the media. Also, the invocation of UAPA brings a notability in itself due to its contentious nature. VV 16:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, I think the subject comes under between WP:BIO1E and WP:BLP1E. Thats why voted as weak keep. By the way, I think you should open a new thread while opening a new discussion. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- In BIO1E,
The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified
. Both the anti-CAA protests and the person grew in coverage and hence the necessity.. So that was my rationale. I have my phd defense tonorrow. Need my sleep :-) Gnight. VV 17:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Vincentvikram, good night and good luck for tomorrow:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Somehow this small wiki break spot looks like a good place to have chai ;-) VV 00:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Dissertation successfully defended :-) VV 07:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Congrats Vincentvikram. Actually, which is your area of expertise? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Belated congratulations Vincentvikram, and I think I can guess your area of expertise ;-) I also have not forgotten that I need to work on that essay, and it is moving up my to-do list. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 03:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Kashmorwiki and Beccaynr :-) My dissertation topic is not hard to guess ;-) VV 10:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Belated congratulations Vincentvikram, and I think I can guess your area of expertise ;-) I also have not forgotten that I need to work on that essay, and it is moving up my to-do list. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 03:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Congrats Vincentvikram. Actually, which is your area of expertise? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Dissertation successfully defended :-) VV 07:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vincentvikram/Archive First SPI filed against me :D VV 15:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Vincentvikram, Im happy you are fine. I have lot of doubts regarding the guidlines after somebody is caught for SP. I hope you know that I was attacked by multiple socks. Leave that for now and my question is that does our policy says that if a person is caught for SP, is it like that they cannot create a new account for having a fresh start by declaring something like I was blocked once for SP. But I request wikicommunity to give me one more chance. Is it allowed? Because I never saw such things anywhere? I already got an answer from an admin regarding this and is still having this doubt in my mind. Because for some other kind of blocks, I have seen some users were given a second chance. Me itself has requested Oshwah for remove the block of one user called Aarya. Coming to the case of the sock who attacked me, they dont deserve a chance at all. They were blocked like infinite number of times. Pinging Oshwah for a clarification. Hope he doesnt miss this:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Please contribute your review to it
@Koshmorwiki, I saw Gur Sidhu, which has been accepted by NPR. I have used a little writing style of Gur Sidhu in Draft:Jassa Dhillon. But Jassa Dhillon passes musical notability Please contribute your contribution to the review. 223.238.199.26 (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me again! Here is the link to the Japanese article that was approved. The article we have now in English is basically the same, just translated with some changes added to make it less like a resume.
Link -> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AF%BA%E7%94%B0%E5%B0%9A%E6%A8%B9
223.238.199.26, please provide me the link of your draft also. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 01:24, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello 223.238.199.26, there is no problem is with GNG from my look. But some sources in the articles seems like paid ones. Lets leave that aside. Other sources when combined makes this singer notable. But can you make the draft little bit more encyclopedic? It actually reads like a resume so that I cannot accept it. There are no other issues as of now. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for getting back to me!
Here is the English link you were asking for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Naoki_Terada — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.83.131 (talk) 19:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
24.101.83.131, from this, what I can say is that the sources in the draft are not sufficient for it to pass GNG. They are just not giving enough sigcov to the subject. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmorwiki, Maybe sources are of work - [1], [2], [3], and [4]. The first and second source covers the notability of music, as the second source is Spotify (referring about singing) then maybe it may be of work. Third Source is of Apple Music India's "Top 100 songs" and the third Spotify's "Top Hits Punjabi" can be used in Career Section. I think so many sources are enough. 27.63.105.155 (talk) 06:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks 😊 Kashmorwiki. I have suggested some source. 27.63.105.155 (talk) 07:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Penderecki String Quartet
Greetings Kashmorwiki. Thank you for looking at the page I made.
I read the guide on context and am none the wiser. In what specific way does this page need more context?
I modeled the page on existing pages about string quartets, like this one on the Takács Quartet.
I do not know if it is relevant, but a number of pages already mention the Penderecki String Quartet but without a link, like Wilfrid_Laurier_University, Füsun Köksal etc. I was planning on adding links to these once this quartet page was approved.
Best regards Erichschlaikjer (talk) 06:35, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Erichschlaikjer. The article Takács Quartet is giving an idea about the history of the subject till the present state. But in the case of Draft:Penderecki String Quartet, the history is too short. The important details like the major works by them, any awards if they have won, their growth through years etc are not present in it. Try to make it little bit more detail so the readers will have an idea about this subject.If done so,this draft is a sure pass. Good luck and regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
The Eastern Herald article
How can we improve the article The Eastern Herald?
Please help...
- Hello, 103.92.41.201. Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp. Now, can I get the link of the draft you are referring to Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Request on 14:25:52, 10 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by 122.171.178.243
Kashmorwiki Let others to review Draft:Nissim Mannathukkaren
122.171.178.243 (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Stop reviewing this article
Stop reviewing this article. 122.171.184.232 (talk) 08:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry 122.171.184.232. As an AFC reviewer, if I ever come up with this article again, I have to review it. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 11:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think now its resubmitted. 122.171.184.232 (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Let me know the final result of the sock, phoenix man ? I'm still on suspected list. Please help. Thank you YogeshWarahTalk 05:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Yogeshwarah. It is currently waiting for an administrator review. There is plenty of backlog on SPI cases. So it might take some time. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 05:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello
It may feel stupid, but you know me!! I am ആര്യ....I felt to ashamed and public as I had my name as my username...just wanted to let you know...(try not to make it public😝😝)....I had a feeling that I'm too exposed here so I changed it....okay Kichu Aarieesa (talk) 13:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Aarieesa welcome again. From now onwards you should not use that one unless you declare it. I hope you got the point. Right? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
👍👍👍 Yes kichu[User:Aarieesa|Aarieesa]] (talk)
Could you review Azra Public School, Hyderabad
Hey 👋 As you told that you are happy to review articles related to India, could you please review my article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Azra_Public_School,_Hyderabad)
Since I was recommended to follow the basic format of similar schools, I’ve used the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Chaitanya_Techno_School,_Eluru and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Indian_High_School,_Dubai as the basis for my article. I hope my article is good enough as I have citied all my sources and have written almost all the details necessary for a school.
One last thing: I dunno if you are the right person to contact for this but I had a few doubts about the copyright of the 2 images used. I have borrowed it from their website and went as far to call the school to ask to use the image and they gave me consent. The problem is: Wikipedia needs written permission to use it which I don’t have. So if you could help me in that it would be of great help.
Thankyou so much! If there is anything I should add please ask me and I’ll do it. Rasalghul1711 (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Rasalghul1711. Thank you for your contributions. But Im afraid that your article will not get accepted. First of all, your article does not have reliable sources other than the school website itself. This is the main issue. For a subject to become notable in the general context, it should have recieved significant coverage from multiple reliable sources. Please see WP:NSCHOOL as well as WP:GNG. Secondly, your article is written from the viewpoint of the school rather than an encyclopedic tone. It almost reads like an advertisement. Try to resolve these issues and your draft will get accepted. And please let me know if you have any concerns so that I can help you. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello again Kashmorwiki, First of all, yes I’ve used the school’s website as a primary source. That’s because there isn’t much information from reliable sources online (like admission websites) even though this school is quite notable. (This often happens for a lot of the schools in this area who don’t get much internet coverage but are still nevertheless very notable offline.) To counter this I personally went to the school to check it out and double-checked the sources. Besides I’ve only written basic info about the school and don’t how this can’t be reliable. As for the tone of the article, I’ll try to improve it and get back to you. One last thing. Thank you for your time! Rasalghul1711 (talk) 07:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Update: I have edited the article as per your instructions. I have added citations and changed the tone of the article. I would be really grateful if you checked it again. Rasalghul1711 (talk) 08:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Rasalghul1711, the tone seems quite fine now compared to the previous version I checked. But Im still concerned with the sources. You can also provide offline sources such as newspapers and magazines. No guidelines says that the sources must be online. Like you said, schools often get less coverage and thats an hard truth. I even tried to create an article for my higher secondary school. Unfortunately, there were no sources. I am really sorry to tell you that your article cannot be accepeted in present state. Because it is very important that the sources must be independent of the subject. Give me atleast any one source that makes an mentoon about the school and I can have a try. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Update: I have edited the article as per your instructions. I have added citations and changed the tone of the article. I would be really grateful if you checked it again. Rasalghul1711 (talk) 08:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Kashmorwiki, I have added all the necessary sources about the school in the Further Reading and Viewing section. All source (except 1) are from local newspapers like siasat and etemaad and thus are independent from the subject. I am trying to find a few more articles but I doubt I'll find any so consider this as the final draft. Thanks! Rasalghul1711 (talk)
- Hello Rasalghul1711, I had analysed the latest sources. This [5] source is nothing but a few sentence about the annual day organised in the school. This[6] source is something related to the chairman of the school. This [7] is just another routine coverage about an accident in which the students of the school were involved. Im unable to analyse this [8] one as I cant read this language. What I meant by sources were something that gives coverage to the school rather than to something connected it. Please have a look at The Choice School and see the sources used in it. We need sources like that and your draft may pass. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello again Kashmorwiki, I do get your point but you have to understand that if you want info about Indian schools you get it from admission websites or sometimes passing mentions in newspapers or magazines. All of these I have listed and went as far as to personally check them by going to the school. The article you mentioned The Choice School has similar citations. I can't possibly add any more sources
Besides I am not writing a political or historical article but about a school by mentioning basic facts about it. So I don't think this is fair.
Also I can't help but notice several other similar schools like Sri Chaitanya Techno School, Eluru, Panchavati High School, St. Ann's High School, Secunderabad and many many more school pages have barely or no citation at all but still somehow qualify for an article, compared to my article which has several citations and links all verified. I feel this is a doubt standard.
This is why I feel you should the article once again. Thank you for your time Rasalghul1711 (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello again Kashmorwiki, I do get your point but you have to understand that if you want info about Indian schools you get it from admission websites or sometimes passing mentions in newspapers or magazines. All of these I have listed and went as far as to personally check them by going to the school. The article you mentioned The Choice School has similar citations. I can't possibly add any more sources
- Hello Rasalghul1711, I had analysed the latest sources. This [5] source is nothing but a few sentence about the annual day organised in the school. This[6] source is something related to the chairman of the school. This [7] is just another routine coverage about an accident in which the students of the school were involved. Im unable to analyse this [8] one as I cant read this language. What I meant by sources were something that gives coverage to the school rather than to something connected it. Please have a look at The Choice School and see the sources used in it. We need sources like that and your draft may pass. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Kashmorwiki, I have added all the necessary sources about the school in the Further Reading and Viewing section. All source (except 1) are from local newspapers like siasat and etemaad and thus are independent from the subject. I am trying to find a few more articles but I doubt I'll find any so consider this as the final draft. Thanks! Rasalghul1711 (talk)
- Rasalghul1711, dont be upset my friend. I know your situation. Like you said, its hard to establish notability for these schools. But Im helpless here as I can only follow what our notability guidelines says. This issue is not applicable to schools. Take the example of old movies, especially those before 2000's. Its technically impossible to find sources from those years. Though, lot of movie articles had been deleted so far because of lack of reliable sources. And if you think the schools you mentioned above are not notable, you can nominate them for AFD. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmorwiki The thing is I did list sources, the only difference being I listed sources from admission websites that are not so reliable compared to newspapers. Anyways thank you for your time, Good day to you.😊
Hi there, I saw that you tagged this for PROD but the creator removed it. Is this a hoax? The sole reference doesn't even mention them! Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 07:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Spiderone, I dont think its a hoax. Some blogs and videos which mention about this person showed up on doing WP:Before. But this person is nowhere near passing GNG as there are no reliable sources giving him sigcov. Who should nominate it for deletion? You or me? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- If you're happy to do so, I will support. Since I'm only familiar with English, I wasn't fully comfortable with my own WP:BEFORE, hence why I checked with you as I initially thought it was a hoax or just someone really, really non-notable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 07:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Spiderone, I had done the honours.[9]. Please let me know if you spot anything like this in future. Happy editing and regards:) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Chatarpatar 2000 ANI
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Deepfriedokra, this is the first time I am being threatened legally. Can you give an advice on how to deal with such users. By the way, thankyou for blocking them immediately. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Article on CRED
Hey - hi!
I wrote the initial draft for the CRED article - I noticed that you were concerned if I was working for "undisclosed payment". This is a concern that another editor also bought up on my talk page as well - User_talk:KNivedat#Managing_a_conflict_of_interest. I did not receive any form of payment from these companies - I created pages on CRED, Udaan (company), PharmEasy and a couple more after seeing a lot of news articles on these companies becoming unicorns recently. When I went to the List of unicorn startup companies page on Wikipedia, I noticed that all of these did not have wiki pages and was hoping to create them. I tried my best to make these sound neutral, though almost all of these pages ended up getting it with CSD G11/nominated for deletion through AfD or moved to draftspace. All of these companies did seem to meet requirements of WP:CORP. I was wondering if you could help me with what I could do differently to make my contributions seem less like "unambiguous promotion". Thanks! KNivedat (talk) 12:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
KNivedat, first of all thankyou for your contributions to this project. I just had a concern with your articles, because of the way it is written. Most of them are notable actually. But the only problem I saw was with the way its wtitten. Take the case of this article CRED itself. It is actually fine. But the problem is with the tone (This article is actually way much better when compared to some other ones written by you). When you create an article about a company, try not to write it in the viewpoint of the company itself. I have plenty of experience dealing with articles about companies. Most of them had enough sigcov from reputed sources, but was not written in an encyclopedic tone. So I had to decline most of them. Anyway, this article of yours is now moved back into mainspace by an admin as they felt its ok. Its almost equal to an AFC process. So you dont need to worry about it. If you have any concerns or doubts regarding writing an article in a better way, feel free to ask me. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
on the wikipage of The Probe (India)
Good morning sir.
This is regarding your deletion of the wikipage : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Probe_(India)
I'd like to state that this page is just beginning to get built as the organization was launched just a few days ago.
I did look at many other WiKi pages which to my surprise have existed for years without getting edited or deleted despite not having even a single valid reference. The examples are many that i have compiled.
While i appreciate your diligence, i request you to give us time to expand the above mentioned Wikipage as we get more citations and this will be done diligently adhering to the format of many wikipages that exist that have passed the review.
Moreover, i contribute to Wikipedia on a voluntary basis - i accept no remuneration whatsoever on any contribution i make to wikipedia.
- Pilgrimhawk, first of all, you dont need to call me sir. I'm just a wikipedia volunteer. Secondly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
Now coming to the case of your article, it is not deleted at all. Instead it has been moved into draftspace to develop into a better article. You just said that the organition was launched just a few days ago. So it needs to be supported by more reliable sources as it lacks it now. Thats why I moved into draftspace. Take your time, add more citations and when you feels it is ready to be published back into mainspace, you can submit it for review. Hope you understood. Have a nice day and regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 01:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmorwiki, Good morning Thank you for the pointers and suggestions. I shall work on the guidelines given by you. We do expect moe citations to come as it is a The Probe ( India) is a fully people supported news media and i felt such initiatives need to be supported. I shall continue to refine and fine-tune the page. Thank you for giving the time. Since the news portal is just launched, it would be helpful as if it could stay as it is given the assurance that it will be fine tuned as per the guidelines. On a personal note - glad to know that you are from Aluva. i hail from Perumbavoor, now based in Bangalore teaching in an art and design school here.pilgrimhawk 02:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to make it factual as based on the webpage and the work they are doing - not sure why you think it is an advertisement. I have edited it further to make it more factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroNYC (talk • contribs) 03:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello AstroNYC, can I get the link of the article you are reffering to Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Doubt on reliable sources
Hye Kichu,
Since my article got declined, I was reading up on the Reliable Sources Page to see if my article had one last chance before I discard it.
You declined my page for doubting the reliability of my sources (which were admission websites) and I don't see why they do not classify as reliable sources. Websites like admissions.24.com, siasat.com, eduvidya.com are not Questionable Sources rather used by many parents. These are also independent of the topic.
One line from the Reliable sources page confirmed my belief, "Although review aggregators (such as Rotten Tomatoes) may be reliable, their audience ratings based on the reviews of their users are not." Admission websites are written by editors who know about many schools in their vicinity similar to Rotten Tomatoes,IMDb etc
So I personally don't see why my sources are not reliable.
Thanks again, you've helped me quite a lot with this! Rasalghul1711 (talk) 18:36, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Based on my review of the Terms and Conditions at admissions24.com, it specifically disclaims its reliability as a source in the Disclaimer of Warranties section, and eduvidya.com makes similar statements in its Terms and Conditions, e.g.
Eduvidya.com and/or its respective suppliers make no representations about the suitability, reliability, availability, timeliness and accuracy of the information, services and related graphics contained on the Sites for any purpose.
These websites therefore appear to be WP:QUESTIONABLE sources because there is no editorial oversight. Beccaynr (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Rasalghul1711, I hope you had your doubt cleared with this explanation by Beccaynr. Please let us know if you have any more concerns. Always happy to help. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 19:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Beccaynr Thanks for your help, I forgot to read the T%C of Admission 24 and Eduvidya.com. I guess I have to discard the article now. Thanks for your help too @Kashmorwiki
- Hi Rasalghul1711, those websites do not make it easy to find their disclaimers, and I expect they are helpful for exactly the reasons you stated, just not helpful enough for Wikipedia. I also have looked for sources for the article - the news sources in the article are a start, but I could not find an archive link for the full article from the Siasat Daily. In my search, I noticed other schools get press coverage because of notable alumni, and the schools in the area appear to have a good reputation. I encourage you to keep looking for sources to help develop content per WP:ORGDEPTH, including about the history of the school and its leadership. Beccaynr (talk) 00:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Beccaynr Thanks for your help, I forgot to read the T%C of Admission 24 and Eduvidya.com. I guess I have to discard the article now. Thanks for your help too @Kashmorwiki
SUGAR Cosmetics
Hey, I have removed what might be unreliable sources. Can I please request you to check if the remaining are reliable? From what I have read, Forbes, Entrepreneur, and India today are reputed publications and are considered reliable. But please correct me if I am wrong here and point me which of the residual sources are not reliable. I am also reading your guide on how to write better articles and will improve before submitting again accordingly. However, before that, I wanted to seek your guidance.
- Hello Mumbai0421. Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
Coming to your concern, this source[10] from Forbes is actually not giving that much coverage to the subject. Also Forbes.com seems little problematic. See Wikipedia:FORBESCON. Actually none of the sources are giving enough sigcov. Also the draft is tagged for undisclosed paid editing. There were also problems involving sockpuppetry. Please tell me if you have any concerns. Good luck with your draft. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 11:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Draftify without redirect
Hola! W.r.t. this, I think a draftify without redirect may be apt. Please check with others more experienced to confirm. Thanks. VV 12:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- (unfortunately, not a talk page stalker yet) They do not have
extendedmover
yet so they must leave a redirect. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)- Vincentvikram, like Aselete said, I dont have the page mover rights yet. So draftification of an article would leave a direct. But it would also get deleted under CSD R2. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 13:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- BTW it was a good idea to move it to draft space rather than a delete. This is a better way to retain editors and train them in the process. A delete later on does not have the same disheartening effect. VV 13:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes Vincentvikram, we should move the articles into draftspace that have a chance of passing GNG. I have been spenting almost my entire time at AFC for the past couple of months and this is one thing I learned from there. If I knew this before I was an AFC reviewer, I would have definetly moved some articles into draftspace rather than nominating for AFD (only those who may become notable in future). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 14:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- BTW it was a good idea to move it to draft space rather than a delete. This is a better way to retain editors and train them in the process. A delete later on does not have the same disheartening effect. VV 13:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Request
Hi sir I need to address you that Rumel Khan has named many times in different newspapers in Bangladesh for his different activities. So please don't delete his page. Tanvir Kabir Saikat (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Tanvir Kabir Saikat. You should not call me sir. And I did not delete your article. I just moved your article into draftspace because it was not ready to remain independently in the mainspace. You can see that I was correct because the draft has been declined by another reviewer. What happened was you did not made any changes and just submitted it for review. Please dont make the same mistake again. Make the necessary modifications and resubmit the draft for review, then it may pass. You may also contact the reviewee who declined your draft. Good luck with this all. Please ask me if you have any more concerns. Always happy to help and I'll do my best. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 23:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
You asked me to write reliable citation but i already quote 3 big newspaper article for this.
You asked me to write reliable citation but i already quote 3 big newspaper article for this.
- Hello Owaissaleem22, Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
Now, can I get a clear picture about your concern? Which article are you actually referring to? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Owaissaleem22, Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
About non-notable AFC acceptance
Hey Kichu, I think you misinterpreted my question. I usually leave the article and move on if I see it is accepted through AFC. Hence, the intent of my question was to know if we should not do that and still keep the notability lens on while reading AFC accepted articles also. I noticed it is AFC accepted only after I nominated it. However, I did find another article by the same user who accepted this questionable and I have nominated that too Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jyoti Arora. Drop your thoughts if you would find time. Also, I noticed you are from Kerala. I was just there and it's incredible! I envy you! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Nomadicghumakkad, the actual aimm of AFC process is to help the editors make sure that the chance of their article getting deleted later is very less. An article accepted through AFC doesn't give you 100 percent guarantee that it wont get deleted ever. So my advice to you is that, when you end up with an article, where its notability is questioned and has gone through AFC process, contact the reviewer first. Because we exactly might dont know why they accepted it. There are like different criterias for a subject to become notable. Some of them might not be familiar for us. But the article where I voted as delete, I believe it fails completely fails GNG. I hope you understood what I said. Please let me know if you are clear. And Im also glad you are also a Mallu:). Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha! I should have contacted the reviewer first then. That makes sense and I am clear. AND, I am not a Mallu! I was visiting (please don't kill me for moving around during pandemic but Kerala had been on my list for too long). But I absolutely love Mallus! Had a lot of healthy discussion on democratic communism with friends there. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Nomadicghumakkad, we dont know when this corona **** is going to end. So please stay safe, wear mask and I wish a good health for your family. By the way, are you an Indian right? Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your wishes Kichu. Yes, I am an Indian and actively participating in India related topics. But also trying to expand my engagement beyond India. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Keep contributing Nomadicghumakkad. Try to participate more in AFD discussions to get experience on AFD discussions so that you will have more than enough basic knowledge about our notability guidelines. After that, I would love you to see becoming an AFC reviewer. Because we have a plenty of backlog there and that area needs people like you. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Too early! Maybe after a lot more AFD participations, PROD success and AFD success. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Nomadicghumakkad, beest wishes on that! Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Meter Point Reference Number
Hi, you have rejected my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Meter_Point_Reference_Number and I would like to know why to improve it. It's mainly a copy of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter_Point_Administration_Number and the main thing to include is the python code.
Hello Naish21, Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (not article pages) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
Coming to your case, I havent rejected your draft. Actually I declined it. See that an article should not be presented on the assumption that the reader is well-versed in the topic's field. Please see WP:NOTHOWTO. Your draft contains terms and examples which the common readers cannot understand. Please remodify the draft accordingly and it may pass. Good luck and regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Proper references are present in Gop Chieftaincy
Proper reference are present in Gop Chieftaincy article brother you can check it then also users like Heba aisha are nominating it for deletation same case is with Gopal dynasty proper reference were present but someone vandalised the page probably sockpuppet account of Heba aisha and she Nominated the page for deletation please do something about it I beg you, Heba aisha is only interested in kushwaha related articles and is deleting articles of other communities Ramesh mishra Naugachia (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
And i personally also come from Naugachia where Gop Chieftaincy was I can assure you that all information is correct in page all reference about chulai Gop and Fulchandra Singh (Futtyy Singh) war with pindaris are present Ramesh mishra Naugachia (talk) 10:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Ramesh mishra Naugachia, I understood your emotion. But please be aware while talking out of emotions and frustrations. You said Heba Aisha is involved in sockpuppetry. It is actually considered as personal attack. You should not accuse anyone for sockpuppetry directly. If you have any doubts, please open an SPI against Aisha. And regarding the articles you mentioned here, can you give me the link to it. Let me see whats going on here. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- I don't feel the need to explain anything. But, if the user had given enough time to read policies of wikipedia rather than accusing me for various things, he would have clear idea about how things should be done.Ramesh mishra Naugachia, I have contributed to a lot of caste articles and Nishad, Mallah, Teli, even Lorik Sena related to Yadav caste are my work. I wrote them from scratch using high quality sources. Even I forgot many other caste articles which are my work like Dhanuk, Paswan and many more. Everything here need to be sourced with quality sources, and notability doesn't mean owning a patrol pump etc, which you are thinking. I don't have personal bias against Yadav caste nor any other caste. Even I was one who made Lalu Prasad Yadav article neutral by adding his socialist policies for lower caste. Earlier that article was written in a critical way to highlight criminal cases only which he is facing. Take a deep breath and check good articles on Wikipedia and the way they are written. Most of the source you are using mention them just in one or two line and you are writing ur own view by clubbing many sources together. Also,its Wikipedia community who decide whether to delete an article or not, not me. On the article I nominated, other people who have nothing to do with Yadav caste are also commenting in favour of delition . It means you are wrong somewhere. Think deep and don't accuse. Moreover, You are going to face admin action soon.Heba Aisha (talk) 15:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Heba Aisha, this is a confirmed sock as per checkuser. Thats make the sense of whats going on here. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- I don't feel the need to explain anything. But, if the user had given enough time to read policies of wikipedia rather than accusing me for various things, he would have clear idea about how things should be done.Ramesh mishra Naugachia, I have contributed to a lot of caste articles and Nishad, Mallah, Teli, even Lorik Sena related to Yadav caste are my work. I wrote them from scratch using high quality sources. Even I forgot many other caste articles which are my work like Dhanuk, Paswan and many more. Everything here need to be sourced with quality sources, and notability doesn't mean owning a patrol pump etc, which you are thinking. I don't have personal bias against Yadav caste nor any other caste. Even I was one who made Lalu Prasad Yadav article neutral by adding his socialist policies for lower caste. Earlier that article was written in a critical way to highlight criminal cases only which he is facing. Take a deep breath and check good articles on Wikipedia and the way they are written. Most of the source you are using mention them just in one or two line and you are writing ur own view by clubbing many sources together. Also,its Wikipedia community who decide whether to delete an article or not, not me. On the article I nominated, other people who have nothing to do with Yadav caste are also commenting in favour of delition . It means you are wrong somewhere. Think deep and don't accuse. Moreover, You are going to face admin action soon.Heba Aisha (talk) 15:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Recent Denial of Draft: Docusearch
Kashmorwiki,
You recently declined my draft submission: Docusearch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Docusearch) with the comment:
"This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia."
I spent many hours ensuring this article was written from a factual, neutral point of view. Would you kindly which article sentence or comment you consider to be biased or advertisement? I have tried to comply with all the conditions found on the AfC Help Desk.
Your further assistance would be appreciated.Wiki Arcanum (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Wiki Arcanum, when you submit a draft about a company, please do not write the draft from the viewpoint of a company. For example, the draft contains phrases like Docusearch continues to test the limits of federal privacy laws which might give a bad impression to the reviewers. But your draft is actually a promising one. It only needs some slight changes in its tone. Please remodify with little bit of changes and your article may get accepted. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Good luck with your work and regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 18:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
I hope the article is encyclopedic now
Hi Kichu,
How are you my friend, I hope you are in the pink of health.
Thanks a lot for your revision and your notes that made me develop my skills more. I rewrote the article as it should be in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article, and I remove any suspected term/s, which seems to be a peacock terms that promote the subject, and I removed any unreliable source from the article, so now, I hope now that the article has met all the required criteria.
Many thanks again, kind regards.
Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 02:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, thank you for your contributons to this project. I will be so in busy for the two next days so that I wont be participating in any AFC for AFD discussions unless it needs my attention the most. Im sorry that I cant assess the state of your draft now. Because lot of sources are there and it will take a plenty of time. So could you please contact any other reviewer if you are in a hurry to get the approval of the article? Beccaynr is not an AFC reviewer but have more knowledge than me in certain areas of notability guidelines, especially NAUTHOR. You may kindly contact them if you want to.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 03:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, I actually already started reviewing the article - I have also been working on a few other projects, but my first thought is that a Reception section would likely be helpful for the book reviews. I do want to conduct my own research and review the sources more closely, but that was my first impression of the article. Examples of how this could look: Nadya A.R., Alexandra Lapierre. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Kichu, No problem, I will wait for you.Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Beccaynr, Thanks a lot for the helping, I'm so happy for that. I saw & checked the examples for the Reception section or Critical Reception and it is a nice idea for collecting all the reviews in that section, I will start for that & then inform you when it will be done, Thanks for that idea.Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Beccaynr, I just finish the Critical reception section for this article, waiting your assessment. Thanks in advance, Appreciatively Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 03:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, your work looks excellent - I made some small edits to the draft and I plan to make a closer review after I have had some sleep. There are many references in the Publications section that I would like to review more closely because they may offer more information to include in the article, and it looks like an 'Honors and awards' section can also be created. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 04:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Beccaynr, Thanks a lot for the edits, it looks now more professionally. I added the 'Honors and awards' section and I will wait your final revision, so take your time as much as you want I'm not in a hurry, because you make an excellent edits. Kind regards, Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, as an update, I am still working through the sources, but wanted to let you know I removed several reviews 1, 2, 3 because while they have different authors in different publications, and some differences, they have the same core content, which raises a concern, per WP:IIS, that there may be an advertiser dictating the content, and therefore these sources are not independent. However, there are still reviews in the article, as well as the significant award, and WP:AUTHOR states notability can also be based on "multiple independent periodical articles," not just reviews, and there are many periodical articles cited that I plan to review next. In the meantime, please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 02:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Beccaynr, Thank you for that great job.Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 03:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, as another update, I have made some additional changes and removed some sources that do not appear to be reliable or were reprints. Source assessment has been somewhat challenging when I use Google Translate, but I want to call your attention to footnote 3 of the general notability guideline,
It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information.
Similarly, in the essay Citation Overkill, it states in the Reprints section,Another common form of citation overkill is to cite multiple reprintings of the same content in different publications — such as several different newspapers reprinting the same wire service article, or a newspaper or magazine article getting picked up by a news aggregator — as if they constituted distinct citations. [...] This type of overkill should be resolved by merging all of the citations into a single one and stripping unhelpful repetitions — when possible, the retained citation should be the originator of the content rather than a reprinter or aggregator, but if this is not possible (e.g. some wire service articles) then retain the most reliable and widely distributed available reprinter
. I do not feel that I have enough experience to do this for this article, but I encourage you to work on it, and you could ask for help at WikiProject Arab world. I do think there is potential for this article, but I also think it still needs some work. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 21:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, as another update, I have made some additional changes and removed some sources that do not appear to be reliable or were reprints. Source assessment has been somewhat challenging when I use Google Translate, but I want to call your attention to footnote 3 of the general notability guideline,
- Hello Beccaynr, First of all, I would like to thank you a lot for that great effort you made for this article and for helping me with that. I already removed all the repeated sources that have the same content and only but the original one.
- I liked your idea by adding a Critical section in the article and you did a great job in that section but then remove the whole section again because of suspicion of some sources, and indeed there are similar reviews in 1, 2, 3, but I prefer the two references 2, 3 had quoted and copyed some sentences from the source 1, because the review 1 is the oldest in terms of publication date, So I suggest that exclusion the two reviews 2, 3, and take the review 1 into account because it supports that section in the article (Critical reception), and it is not the guilt of the reviewer to exclude his/her review because others have copied from it.
- The same thing is here this source 4 and 5, as this 5 is an echo from 4, so we can use this source 4 also in the article. And Also this review 6 has a great information for 3 publications that will support the critical section more (in case of return it again), So if you like to return the Critical section again we can use this sources 1, 4 and 6, which will support the article more in addition of the source 7 which is already present in the article, so what is your opinion about that? I observe that you made a great afford and I feel sad when the section is removed after that all time and effort from you. Thank you again. Dr. Mustafa Ahmed (talk) 03:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Dr. Mustafa Ahmed, and many thanks to you for all of your work. I am glad that you caught the issue with the Big News Network and Arab Daily News - I was planning to review my edits to make sure I had not removed too many sources, and I agree that the Arab Daily News should be restored. I am still concerned about the reviews with the same core content, and my concern is somewhat based on an AfD discussion I have recently participated in that included a concern about book marketing and the independence of sources - while I disagreed in that discussion, from my view it seems more likely here that a press release may have been circulated to all of the authors, because there is so much of the same content. It is unfortunate because it is such a strong review, but it is a credit to your research skills that you were able to identify this happening. Editors with more experience may have another idea on how to handle this, but another related issue is that the Daily Nigerian is not listed on the Reliable Sources list for Nigeria, so it would likely not be considered a strong support for notability. Please let me know if you have any questions, and thank you again. Beccaynr (talk) 03:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Found a reputable source for Azra Public School
Hey. last time when I messaged you, you rejected my page Azra Public School, Hyderabad because of the lack of reliable sources. I did quite a bit of digging and found the December 22, 1996, Publication of Newstime (part of TOI Group) which talked about the school. (Image)
You see back in the 90s Newstime had a weekly section called the This School This Week where they talked about various schools and took interviews and stuff. Obviously, the editor included info about the school and I found that piece today.
Surely this is a reliable source innit?
Thankyou Rasalghul1711 (talk) 08:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
HelloRasalghul1711, sorry for the late reply. I am so busy in real life and only came back for responding to a situation which needed my attention. I think its better if you contact any other reviewers if you need faster response. Im really sorry that I cant help you at the moment. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kashmorwiki No problem take your time. I can wait. Rasalghul1711 (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Added reference links from reliable sources as mentioned
Hi Kichu, I have updated as per the guidelines mentioned while moving the article to Draft: Kiran Das. Request you to review the same and provide the comments, also i didn't understand how to add the "notability" tag on the article, any guidelines will be helpful
Vivumail (talk) 10:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Vivumail, sorry for not giving a quick reply. I am actually busy in realife and is not reviewing any drafts at the present. Could you wait for two days? If you need a quick response, please kindly contact any other reviewers. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Sure , please check once you are back. Thanks Vivumail (talk) 15:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Article for 50 year old reputable Educational Institution declined by you because it sounds like an Advertisement
Hi Kashmorwiki. Recently I submitted an article for Wikipedia on the D.A.V. group of Schools in Chennai in India which happens to be one of Chennai’s most reputed group of schools that began way back in 1970. Currently there are over 16,000 students enrolled across 10 of their owned schools and I do feel they merit an article in Wikipedia. Before writing the concerned article, an in-depth research was done to analyze and understand how articles regarding educational institutions were written on Wikipedia with an aim to maintain a standard presentation format. Almost all such articles seem to adhere to the following style.
Introduction to the Educational Institution
History and Founders
Branches and other Academic Associations
Campus facilities/infrastructure
Notable Alumni
Other Initiatives
References
Based on this, the article for D.A.V Schools was written with nothing extra added to the structure of the article. All guidelines issued by Wikipedia regarding writing articles were followed strictly including citing reliable sources for almost every fact presented in the article. However the article submission was declined by you and Steve M on the grounds that it sounded like an advertisement. I have provided below a list of some links to articles available on Wikipedia on educational institutions. To make the listing global I have included links to both schools and colleges spread across three countries i.e. USA, England and India. A casual perusal of these links will allow one to conclude that my article is similar in structure to the others.
Therefore I am at a loss to understand why this article on D.A.V. was rejected. I request the concerned editors, you and Steve M to kindly share the specific lines / sections that are a concern in comparison to all the other Wikipedia articles on Education Institutions so that I can carry out the necessary changes and have the submission accepted. Thank you!
Best Schools - India
- Sishya School – Chennai
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sishya_School
- Chinmaya Vidyalayas – India
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinmaya_Vidyalayas
- Doon School – Dehra Dun
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doon_School
- Rishi Valley School - Chittoor
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Valley_School
- Mayo College – Ajmer
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_College
Best Colleges – India
- Indian Institute of Technology – Bombay
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIT_Bombay
- Hindu College – Delhi
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_College,_Delhi
- Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheed_Sukhdev_College_of_Business_Studies
- National Law School of India – Bangalore
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Law_School_of_India_University
- All India Institutes of Medical Sciences
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Institutes_of_Medical_Sciences
Best Schools – USA
- Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology - Fairfax, Virginia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_for_Science_and_Technology
- Carnegie Vanguard High School - Houston, Texas
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Vanguard_High_School
- Liberal Arts and Science Academy High School - Austin, Texas
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Arts_and_Science_Academy
- University High School - Tucson, Arizona
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_High_School_(Tucson)
- Staten Island Technical High School - Staten Island, New York
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staten_Island_Technical_High_School
Best Colleges – USA
- Harvard University - Cambridge, Massachusetts
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University
- Stanford University - Stanford, California
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) - Cambridge, Massachusetts
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology
- University of California - Berkeley, California
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley
- Columbia University - New York
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University
Best Schools – England
- Wycliffe College – Gloucestershire
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wycliffe_College,_Gloucestershire
- Oakham School - Oakham, Rutland
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakham_School
- Sevenoaks School - Sevenoaks, Kent
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevenoaks_School
- Windlesham House School - Pulborough, West Sussex
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windlesham_House_School
- Westminster School - Westminster, London
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_School
Best Colleges – England
- University of Oxford - Oxford, Oxfordshire
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford
- University of Cambridge – Cambridge
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Cambridge
- Imperial College London – London
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_College_London
- University of Edinburgh – Edinburgh
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Edinburgh
- University of Manchester – Manchester
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Manchester
The submission that was declined:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:D.A.V._Group_of_Schools,_Chennai
Ragsram (talk) 06:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Ragsram, I havent gone through any of the articles you showed here. An AFC reviewer's only duty is to check whether the draft they reviews is suitable for this encyclopedia. I said your draft read like an advertisement because I felt so. For example, see this sentence itself;
The institution has built a reputation for academic excellence and over the years, students from the schools have been invited by the Prime Minister’s Office to witness the Republic Day parade based on their excellent performances in the 10th and 12th CBSE board exams
. Avoid these type of phrases, rewrite your article in an encyclopedic tone and it may pass. Good luck. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 00:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)- The wording quoted may not be optimal, but it most certainly does not make the article "read like an advertisement". No article would fail at AfD just because of such wording. I only arrived at this discussion because I came here to say the same thing about your rejection of Draft talk:Charlotte Tilbury Beauty Ltd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Pigsonthewing, I didnt declined the draft just only because it contains that specific wording. It almost felt to me like an ad. You may read the full article and tell your opinion. The article is written from the viewpoint of the school. And I just gave an example with that wording. In the case of Draft talk:Charlotte Tilbury Beauty Ltd, I havent rejected the draft. I only declined it. Because this also is written like an advertisement from my viewpoint. If you have the AFC rights, you are free to accept the draft. By the way, thankyou for your suggestion and happy editing. Advices are always welcomed. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 18:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- The wording quoted may not be optimal, but it most certainly does not make the article "read like an advertisement". No article would fail at AfD just because of such wording. I only arrived at this discussion because I came here to say the same thing about your rejection of Draft talk:Charlotte Tilbury Beauty Ltd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Ragsram! It would be good to familiarise yourself with WP:NSCHOOLS and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES since you are creating an article around an educational institution. Some of the private institutions-for profits institutions you linked would fail the criteria. For example, Sishya. It was tagged as having only primary sources and I now tagged it as reading like an advertisement. Maybe a thorough search might lead to better sources. At AFC, notability is the main criteria one looks for and the other criteria are to improve the encyclopedic value. Best! VV 04:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Ramesh_Singh_Pal
Dear reviewer yesterday you have declined the wikipedia draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ramesh_Singh_Pal with no comments simply putting that this submission's references do not qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I can give you the atleat 100 of examples of Wikipedia biography article where only external link has been provided they do not show significant coverage. You may ask to incorporate the more references but declining the page is totally disappointing. It shows that Wikipedia is not playing a fare game. Dr Ramesh singh Pal is a notable personality, you have to cheek the his contribution. Kindly reconsider it.
Hello Sanatan pragya. There are like millions of unreferenced/unreliably sourced articles present in the English wiki about different persons. If you think they are not notable, you may nominate it for deletion. As an AFC reviwer, I cannot accept an article about a non notable person because of this reason you said. For a person to have an article of their own, they should have significant coverage from multiple independent reliable sources. In the case of this person, he does not have. So I declined it. I hope you got the point. If you think wikipedia is not a fair game, kindly tell your concerns on the teahouse. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 05:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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Request for review Draft:Maharani Jaiwanta Bai
Hey (Namaste) brother Kuchi, I wanted to request you to review my draft Draft:Maharani Jaiwanta Bai.The draft is about great warrior Mahrana Pratap's mother and 15th century mewar's king Rana Udai Singh II's wife. Buddy do review this Draft is still pending since 1 month. If anything i had to change then talk to me. Thanks Buddy ☺️, Rajendra nath Raja (Rajendra nath) (talk) 11:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello Rawalrajendranath, your article seems like really a good. But let me go through the sources first since those are not online ones. I will get back to you soon. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you buddy kichu, Notify me if you wanted to change something or moved it to article. Thanks, once again for helping me. Rawalrajendranath (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)