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Can/should creator of a page 'vote' on the AFD?

Something I have been thinking - are they allowed to vote and is their vote considered? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, it's perfectly normal for someone who wrote a page to justify why it should not be deleted. Their arguments are considered alongside everyone else's. › Mortee _talk 14:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

They could also justify why it should be deleted (usually if the creator of the article justifies why it should be deleted then that's usually enough for it to be deleted without further consensus) Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mortee, justification can be done without actual voting and by simply leaving a comment. Dropping a vote means voting for your own self, no? I am just curious about this because I have seen at many AFDs that the vote of creators is striked (which I think is right). Do we have any written guidelines anywhere on this? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomadicghumakkad interesting. I haven't seen that done myself, but I haven't been heavily involved in AfD recently. Do you have an example in mind? I can't see any reason why a !vote by the article creator should be struck simply because they wrote the article. There's no real distinction between a comment and a !vote; the closing admin's job is to assess the relative weight of the arguments in each direction. The fact that some of those arguments are prefaced by a handy bold Keep or Delete isn't all that significant in the grand scheme. It's also not about "voting for your own self"; the discussion is about an article, not an editor. › Mortee _talk 14:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, you asked about guidelines too. I did have a quick look and didn't find any. The template used to tell article creators about an AfD discussion tells them they're welcome to contribute, but doesn't say anything about !votes. › Mortee _talk 14:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I can't point to one right now. And I also agree that I have only seen this in discussions where creator is coming up with baseless arguments. So maybe that's the logic - to save the closing admin from the trouble of reading useless stuff. Also, my sense was that the admin assesses the consensus and hence the keep and delete things were relevant. Perhaps I was wrong. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps they were struck for other reasons, like you say. My understanding of the bold bits is that they're a useful summary but the quality of arguments is more important. From WP:CLOSEAFD: Consensus is not based on a tally of votes, but on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments. That's why people often write "!vote" instead of "vote" (the "!" meaning "not" as in negation). There are people here with more knowledge and experience than me, so perhaps they'll weigh in. If an article I started is taken to AfD I'll add a bolded !vote to keep it (unless on reflection I think it actually should be deleted) and I think that's as it should be › Mortee _talk 15:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. Just seconding what Mortee essentially advises, I have participated in hundreds of AfD debates and read many more and I don't recall ever seeing the creator's comments struck because they are the creator. When this happens it is always, AFAIR, because of some invalid status, such as their second comment being explicitly marked as an !vote, when the first was already; a retraction; because they have changed their view and the first is in conflict, etc. In any event, the answer to your actual question is, definitively, "Yes".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your insights. This clears my mind for now. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Nomadicghumakkad the answer to the question depends on the context. One can open an AFD and change their minds perhaps due to WP:HEY and whatnot and !vote a keep, but i believe you are referencing if the editor who nominates an article for deletion can !vote a delete(let me know if I’m wrong) but if that’s really your concern, then it’s a capital NO, as the AFD nomination in itself is considered a delete !vote, that’s the reason if an AFD has 0 participants other than the AFD nomination the article in question is eventually soft deleted because like I said, the AFD nomination in itself is considered a delete !vote. I hope this helps. Celestina007 (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Covid-19 cases

In articles that are on the covid-19 situation per country/territory, how can I get a previous revision of the cases and deaths at that specific point in time? For example when I look at an older revision of the same article, the cases/deaths are still in the current time. 47.152.148.162 (talk) 03:24, 30 April 20

• Well people edit it every few days up with the news/other websites so they may go up or down during the week so anyways they do change every now and then for more info go here COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory Have a good day user Xd123456333 (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
• Hi IP, the numbers aren't changing because the data are being transcluded from a template, so you'll need to look at the revision history of the template itself. The COVID-19 data templates are all listed at Template:COVID-19 pandemic data (the main one shown is the global template, or scroll down a little to see a list of all the region-specific ones), and in the history of those templates you can see all the updates that are being made daily (some are more up-to-date than others). Hope that helps! DanCherek (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Questions

First of all thank you all for the advice received previously. I've improvised on the draft since then, weeding out the sources that read like a PR and wrote content in the most dry way possible.

Questions left now: I've gone through related Wikipedia company articles and many used the company website's about section to fill in details about the founders and date of founding. So, is a primary source allowed in that case? I used pitchbook.com for that purpose since its a known website where companies submit their own data.

Secondly, a reviewer left a comment about not being interested funding details. Does that mean details like financial information, etc (I've removed those) or the paragraph on the dates when the investment rounds took place as a whole?

Draft link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Corkbrick_Europe

Lastly, regarding the angry comments, I understand now after being informed about paid COI that this is unethical & will not be using my account after this ordeal. In my head then, it was a regular writing contest. But what done is done and I feel uncomfortable with abandoning this after all the work, so I just need to know, IS IT EVEN WORTH IT to go on working on this draft based on the references and other content? Laylabk (talk) 03:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Laylabk For article creation, PAID is allowed as long as it is declared, even if after the draft was started. Looking forward, if the draft is accepted, then paid editors are supposed to limit themselves to using the article Talk page to request changes, wherein a not-connected editor will implement or not. Thus, better to get it right while a draft. I agree you were snookered into a paid situation via the 'writing contest'. As to whether the draft has been amended to point it qualifies as an article, that is up to the next reviewer. It survived a Speedy deletion, and no reviewer has outright Rejected it (more severe than Declined), so there is still hope. I revised all text to minimize advertising/promoting tone. Per last reviewer, may still be in want of more reliable source referencing. Two questions to you: Does Corkbrick want what this draft has become, or would it prefer no article at present? Does Corkbrick realize that once an article exists, any editor can add content as long as it is referenced? (There is no ownership.) David notMD (talk) 05:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Laylabk. I think David notMD's answer is a pretty good one. I'm just going to add that you might want to make sure someone at Corkbrick (assuming you're in contact with them) takes a careful look at WP:COI#Law of unintended consequences and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If Corkbrick believes that you can control the content of the article on their behalf once it's been created, then that's unrealistic and is putting you in a difficult situation. It may not matter to you in a Wikipedia sense if you never intend to edit again after this (that would be a bit of a shame though since you might be able to WP:CONTRIBUTE in other ways), but in a WP:REALWORLD sense there's no way to control what Corkbrick may say or do if it misunderstands what Wikipedia is about and tries to blame you as a result. As for you question about sources, you'll find more information in WP:PRIMARY and the very last paragraph in WP:ORGIND. Primary sources can be used for some basic factual information, but any critical assessment of the company probably should be supported by WP:SECONDARY sources. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD for the edits. I have no idea how they'll react to what the article has become and I believe they don't understand Wikipedia's inclusion criteria since they originally wanted their website content on it. I haven't been in contact with them since the first submission, (was trying to avoid further contact and wrap this up) but will leave a message in a few days forwarding all the information I've received. Thankyou too Marchjuly

I will stop now— Preceding unsigned comment added by Laylabk (talk • contribs) 18:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Using books as sources

If a book contains a chapter or paragraphs about a subject, is it considered a primary source or a secondary source? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad and welcome to the teahouse. The answer would depend on who wrote the book. If the subject of the article wrote it, it would be a primary source. I suggest you read WP:PSTS for a full explanation of primary and secondary sources.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Shantavira, I am aware of this link. Wanted to still clarify. No, this is about someone else writing about the subject. Would that be a secondary source? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 08:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadichumakka. Like many questions about reliability and independence, it is impossible to answer general questions satisfactorily: we would need to know more specifics. In particular, what is the relationship of the writer to the subject of the article? Were they commissioned to write a biography? Are they a family member? An estranged partner? Are they connected with a competitor? Are they writing about events they were involved in? Do you see why we cannot answer in general? --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

WP:Basic & WP:GNG

Is some one aware of few examples of biographies where WP:BASIC is being met but WP:GNG is not. I get constantly confused with WP:BASIC. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

When it says multiple & independent sources - does it mean they can also be primary since it doesn't say secondary here. Also, when it says if depth of coverage is not substantial (means significant I guess?), what is the depth we need to look at since it can't be trivial either? I mean is it like a mid point between substantial and trivial? Sorry I am asking too many questions! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 05:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Nomadicghumakkad. The next sentence in BASIC says "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject." (emphasis added). Does that answer your question? --ColinFine (talk) 09:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, yes - settles the context and utility of primary. What about the depth? It says if depth is not substantial multiple sources that can be used that are NOT trivial. So is there a standard in terms of how much portion of the source should talk about the subject to qualify in this? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, think of it like this, for GNG to be met at least three reliable sources that discuss the subject must be used. That is, those three sources must satisfy WP:INDEPTH & WP:SIGCOV, but if GNG cant be met we are provided with an alternative route which is BASIC, which in summary requires multiple, (arbitrary I put the bar at 7 sources) which although do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV discuses the subject of the article to a reasonable degree. Primary sources could be used, but may not be used to substantiate cogent assertions but may be used to substantiate inconsequential or non imperative details. Furthermore the usage of primary sources do not establish notability hence the need to be conservative when optimizing them.Celestina007 (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I can feel the clouds clearing and I can see the light! Thank you. Last stupid question - When you say a reasonable degree - can we say at least 25% of the article is about them? Or let's say at least two paragraphs about them? What do you think? Some more insights would be really helpful to decode WP:Basic for me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, no please, it’s an imperative question. Now, a reasonable degree is subjective and largely depends on you. Okay see it like this, for WP:SIGCOV to be met within the confines of WP:GNG we need at least three/four paragraphs anything less than three paragraphs doesn’t meet WP:SIGCOV so if you come across sources that discuss the subject of an article with just one or two paragraphs that’s good enough for BASIC. One other pitfall to avoid is WP:SYNTH, you could read about that later. I hope this helps, and I’m willing to answer any more questions from you, you could leave me a message on my tp if you are in doubt or in need of assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I think I am super clear. Thank you for being so very kind to explain me this. I sometimes feel WP:BASIC has been misused (read abused) here and is being exploited. We should archive this thread and save it somewhere for everyone to read and understand that WP:BASIC doesn't mean a small bunch of sources vaguely covering the subject. Thank you again. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, no problems, I’m glad I could be of service. Celestina007 (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I think a key part of WP:BASIC is People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources... (emphasis added), so one of the ways I assess 'depth' is by determining whether the source includes WP:SECONDARY coverage, i.e. an author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. So from my view, 'depth' can depend on what the source is saying about the subject. I also look for facts such as biographical and career information, because this can add, per WP:BIO, valid content to fill an article about a person. Beccaynr (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Translated part to an existing article

If I translate a part from the French wikipedia and add it to an already existing article, do I need to add the edit summary of the original article? Excellenc1 (talk) 07:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Excellenc1. You'll find out more about this kind of thing in Help:Translation and WP:TFOLWP, but Wikipedia's licensing requires that attribution be provided to the French Wikipedia article in some way. The content you translate will also still be subject to other English Wikipedia policies and guidelines such as WP:V, WP:RS, WP:BLP, etc.; in other words, even with proper attribution, you can't simply cite French Wikipedia as the source of the content per WP:WPNOTRS, but will be expected to provide supporting citations and make sure the content is otherwise in accordance with relevant English Wikipedia policies and guidelines. This might seem like a non issue, but different language Wikipedias may have slightly different policies and guidelines; moreover, even in cases where the policy or guideline is pretty much the same, they might not be being applied as rigorously on French Wikipedia as they are on English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly, I will go according to WP:TFOLWP and as for citations I'll find the respective sources. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Beretta 606824

Draft:Beretta 606824, is a book written by a person I know. Articles about the book, reviewing and expressing an opinion, has been made by the largest circulated daily's of my state, the eenadu, sakshi and andhra jyothi. Considering them, I wanted to create an article about the book and also about the author, Draft:Amirisetti Gopal. But the article was declined. Can I please know where I did not meet the requirements, cause I think getting published in three reliable, independent, authenticate sources defenitely meets the notability criteria. Thank You Mash i am (talk) 09:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, please check if your article is in accordance to WP:AUTHOR. If yes, give justification from your side on the draft's talk page or on the user's talk page (the person who checked it) or fix the issues and resubmit. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Let's take a look at one short chunk of this:

One of the biggest events of the twentieth century

-- A matter of opinion. (And if it really were one of the biggest events, it's strange that readers would need to be reminded of this.) --

happened on the 30th of January, 1948. The death of Mahatma Gandhi shook the entire world

--This surprises me. I'm sure it appeared in the more serious newspapers around the world; but people generally don't get so upset about assassinations in faraway places. My guesswork aside, who says it shook the entire world, and where do they say it? --

which admired him for his approach towards life and the fight he put up in his unique adorable manner.

--"Unique", how? And according to whom? And "adorable" is more obviously a mere matter of opinion. --

This book narrates the iconic journey of the gun that shot him to death and of a present day fighter whose spectacular journey coincides with that of the legendary weapon.

--I've no idea how a journey can be iconic. Which legends? Which source says that the fighter's journey was or is spectacular? Simply, this reads like a fawning review (and one that a magazine editor would reject); it's not at all like an encyclopedia entry. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Along with the above, since you said that you know that person you may want to take a look at WP:COI. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Rules for musician/musical artist page images

I am currently looking for articles discussing the rules and guidelines for adding images to Wikipedia articles discussing musicians, but I've had no luck in finding any. Does anyone who comes across this post know where I can search for one? Thank you in advance! EnjoyingMyProblems (talk) 12:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I think you may want to visit Wikimedia Commons at the help desk. I believe they should be able to help. Happy editig! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there are specific rules for images of musicians but the usual conventions for biographies of living people apply. See the comments on images at WP:MUG and WP:OI as well as the Commons link already provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Article Creation

Hello, I was wondering if there are more places to find to articles that need to be made then just Requested articles. I enjoy making articles and I am finding a lack of requested articles in the history section of requested articles. Is there a wikiproject for making pages? Thanks and happy editing! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

You might find that joining the Project Team for history helpful (I don't see your name on the list). Their main page is WP:WikiProject History and they seem active. Asking on one of those pages, or on the Talk page of an editor who works extensively in that area should generate ideas for you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Uploading free logos

How do I upload a logo, which would be classified "free" due to it being made of simple shapes and text, with the proper copyright? Samsung yepp nugget (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Samsung yepp nugget: To the left, you can see in the contribute section where it says upload file. You can upload a logo to Wikipedia as fair use if you specify the destination article. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not just a case of what the logo is made of. If those "simple shapes and text" were created in a country that has a threshold of originality that protects logos made from simple shapes and text, then it's not going to be a free logo. - X201 (talk) 13:59, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

An example would be the Google Chrome logo. It is mainly a circle with different, simple shapes, and it uses simple colors, however it is not a free logo. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF DRAFT:SANUSI MOHAMMED OHAIRE

I wish to express my delight and excitement for the opportunity to contribute my research work in this community. I registered newly and have committed myself to learn as much as I can focusing on editing articles as relates to Nigeria and Nigerians. In my desire to edit already published articles I came across an article that was tagged for deletion due to inadequate references; Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare. I have since corrected the references and resubmitted the draft but it is yet to be reviewed. As a new editor I believe this approval will enable me understand more how Wikipedia works and contribute extensively to the community. I will appreciate if the draft can be reviewed with necessary recommendation. It is my target to achieve up to 1,000 edits in the next three months and this will be a great boost to my confidence. Thank you Bibihans (talk) 14:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

@Bibihans: Just some small feedback from me, ref number 9 ([1]) gives a Host not found error message. You will see that I have edited some of the references by adding more information about the referenced content (Title, Website, access date). This helps others to find a replacement / archived version should the original link ever decide not to work anylonger. Be advised that the review backlog is curretly about 5 months. Asking at the Teahosue unfortunally won't make it faster. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

How would I backtrack information in an article back to it’s source if there was no inline citation for it?

Curious, as this may be very helpful when a citation is needed. HiCooldude😎 (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@HiCooldude: uh, that's kinda the problem with a lack of inline citations. There might not be a source, or it might not be easy to find. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

HiCooldude, When I see information in an article with no citation, I typically track down the editor who added the material and if they are still active, I check with them. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Some important source lines

What are some Important Code Lines of Wikipedia, such as To Submit an Draft for review on Wikipedia-

{{subst:submit}}ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor Another important one I can think of is {{Category}}. It allows you to add categories to articles. HiCooldude😎 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@HiCooldude: that's not what that template does. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: one of the most common ones are ~~~~, to sign your messages. Otherwise, it really depends on what you'd like to do. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor:. There are so many templates and specialist coding that it can be difficult to say which is most important. It depends a lot on the topics you are interested in. For example, I edit mainly for chemicals, so {{Chembox}} is a vital one for me, while someone doing biographies will use {{Infobox person}}. Try reading WP:TEMPLATE and note that many individual template pages say how many times they are used: Template:Infobox person is in about 405,000 pages! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Should Olympic Channel be renamed to Olympics.com?

On 29th of April 2021 www.olympicchannel.com have been merged with other IOC websites into one web-portal Olympics.com. The same editorial team and company continues running this web-portal. Should Olympic Channel be renamed to Olympics.com or a separate article Olympics.com should be created instead? Thanks! VLaiquendi (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

This would be something to discuss on the talk page of Olympic Channel. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Update to death of 6 year old at Kennywood in 1979, my nephew Kyle Foster. The money won by his mother, my sister, Linda Foster, was used to bury her in 1981 because she could not stay here without him.

 172.58.204.157 (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

You would need to provide a reliable source stating this information. Also, this should be discussed on the article in question's talk page instead of here. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Adding Notes in Markup Editor

Hi, I'm not sure how to add notes in the source code markup editor. I'm referring to the notes which appear like references, such as [a], [b], [c], etc. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone let me know the source code needed to add notes into an article. Nordberg21205 (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Nordberg21205. The details can be a bit fearsome, depending on your general level of knowledge. The main Help article is at H:FOOT but you might also like to read WP:REFBEGIN. Come back with a more specific question, including a link to the Draft or article, if you run into problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

How people can find open SPI Cases

Hey, how can people find open SPI Cases, since I just opened one at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Evimeader. LooneyTraceYT comment • treats 17:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@LooneyTraceYT: Maybe I am not understanding your question, since they are all listed here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations RudolfRed (talk) 17:18, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Railway lines and coordinates

I keep finding railway articles tagged with coordinates missing and am always forced to skip them as I have no clue what the guidelines are on that type of article, should I do like what is recommended for rivers, that is indicating the midpoint coordinates? Sadenar40000 (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sadenar40000, welcome to the Teahouse. I really don't know, I'm afraid. It's not obvious that coordinates would be helpful but, if you do need one coordinate pair, the midpoint seems logical. Perhaps the best place to ask about this would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains › Mortee _talk 21:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I thought that them being tagged with the coords missing template meant that it would be helpful to provide coordinates for them. Sadenar40000 (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Wiki election tables galore, how to hide them (are they even necessary)?

Hello hosts, hoping to get some clarity on how I would go about creating a hide function on a variety of tables. I tend to update, clean, and simplify American state legislative BLP articles. On several of articles, users have added election history tables, of which sometimes formats differ greatly. See:
Dustin Manwaring of Idaho
Dean Plocher of Missouri
Machaela Cavanaugh
These are honestly just random articles with these charts, but many legislative articles have election history sections. My main question here: is there some quick text I can insert to collapse these? Like state=collapsed, collapse=yes, or something like that? Often times these tables grow quite lengthy.
As a disclaimer, I don't believe that these should even exist on WP per WP:TOOMUCH and WP:NOTDATABASE, but rather be worked into the text of the article. Maybe I should leave those alone and move on, if so just be frank and let me know so we all can save time here lol. We all have work to do. PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: hi! In Visual edit mode, you can click on the table, go to properties, and set "collapsible" to yes. From there you can set it to be collapsed at first glance as well. You can do this in source mode as well, but it's too much work to do something you can flip some switches for. versacespaceleave a message! 17:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, PerpetuityGrat. I disagree with you about the desirability of collapsing these tables. They convey important information at a glance. As a reader interested in electoral politics, I can almost instantly see that Plocher represents a heavily Republican district and that Cavanaugh represents a swing district that was a pickup for the Democrats. That could be presented in prose but that would require synthesis/analysis of the vote counts that is best left to readers instead of Wikipedia editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: these really shouldn't be collapsed. I appreciate your work on state leg articles but electoral history sections are very relevant and useful. I don't see a good reason to remove or collapse them. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

question regarding the correct way of references

Dearest readers,

I unfortunately had my first ever wikipedia page creation denied due to a lack of references! I was titled "first dane to complete a philosophy degree in italian" and I was wondering what sort of reference would be considered sufficient for such an article?

(So far I had uploaded reference showing the individual's participating in the graduating class of 27th april at 11 AM

Best regards,

Lombardo-Genovese Lombardo-genovese (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lombardo-genovese: Welcome to the Teahouse. You are going to want to use the subject's actual name instead of what they did. Second, I'm curious as to how it's notable for a student to complete a degree in another language that is not their own; students (especially international students) have done it for many decades. To determine what sources are allowed for articles, you're going to want to read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lombardo-genovese. The correct title would be Christian F. W Christensen, but only if this person is notable. We have an article called Sally Ride, not "First American woman in space". In order to have an article about Christensen, the person must be the subject of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. I suggest that you read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Setting up talk page archiver

Hello! I'm trying to figure out how to start having my talk page archived using Lowercase sigmabot III however I'm having trouble figuring out what I would need to change to get it to work correctly. This is the code I was provided with: {{User:MiszaBot/config | algo = old(30d) | archive = Wikipedia:Teahouse/Archive %(counter)d | counter = 1 | maxarchivesize = 150K | archiveheader = {{Automatic archive navigator}} | minthreadstoarchive = 1 | minthreadsleft = 4 }} Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf. The archive parameter must be a subpage like archive = User talk:Blaze The Wolf/Archive %(counter)d. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

That I was able to figure out but my problem is the %(counter)d and maxarchive size and minthreads. I don't understand what I should put for those Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: There is documentation at User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo. You can just leave them as they are. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thank you! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 00:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

My article about Hexennacht got reverted as being Non Constructive, it should not have been

 Courtesy link: Hexennacht

I created a small article about the holiday Hexennacht as celebrated by the Satanic Temple and it was reverted. 38.88.227.234 (talk) 19:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Under "See also" you created a loop by adding the link to the exact same article. So the editor who reverted your edit was doing the right thing. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:53, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Not clear to me that you created an article. Currently, Hexennacht redirects to Walpurgis Night, where it is mentioned in the Germany section where it is defined as ('Witches' Night'). You could query the editor who reverted your contributions at User talk:Dr Salvus. David notMD (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

As a non-Teahouse user who reverted an earlier article attempt, I would like to say that the only website sourced in both attempts falls under WP:PRIMARY. We need WP:SECONDARY sources to establish notability; more details at WP:GNG. Jalen Folf (talk) 21:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is either at Talk:Walpurgis Night or at Talk:The Satanic Temple. But as Jalen Folf indicated, unless you can cite a source where somebody wholly unconnected with the Satanic Table, the information does not belong anywhere in Wikipedia. (I notice that is it is not currently mentioned in The Satanic Temple.) --ColinFine (talk) 21:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

How to report offensive images

Hi there, fellow Teahouse members. I would like to know how to report and remove offensive images such as the image for Hentai EfficientCamcorder (talk) 19:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Please see WP:CENSORED as to why this would not be the correct thing to do. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

If you do not want to see the image then you can simply just avoid going to that page. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

EfficientCamcorder Everything is offensive to someone, so removing offensive images would leave nothing behind. You can suppress the display of images, see WP:NOSEE. 331dot (talk) 21:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

This is bad. :/

 Courtesy link: Horribl. Hello there, I created an article about a species of animal and instantly it got vandalized by someone and moved to a page called Horribl. I saved the page and here is the link. redacted EfficientCamcorder (talk) 20:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Please don't post something like that as it can reveal someone's real name. Second, could you tell me who vandalized the page as it says that it doesn't exist. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

After taking a look at your user logs, you were the one who moved your sandbox to the nonexistant page Horribl. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor, I am a friend of EfficientCamcorder and know that his account has been hacked recently, maybe thats the cause of this issued. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TIMBYLURL (talk • contribs) 20:59, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

NOTE: EfficientCamcorder started editing on 5 April, and almost every edit, starting immediately, have been reverted. TIMBYLURL has first edit ever on 30 April as an alibi for EfficientCamcorder. David notMD (talk) 03:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Among EfficientCamcorder's dreary list of edits, this one, the second, added the most bulk. -- Hoary (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Biased article on 1776 Commission

To Whom It May Concern, I apologize because I am not sure who will see this message. As I read the article on the 1776 Commission, I couldn't help but notice how biased it was. In the article, it makes lists like " The chair was Larry Arnn, the president of the conservative Hillsdale College and the co-chair was Carol Swain, a conservative former professor at Vanderbilt Law School.[1] Others appointed by Trump include his ex-domestic policy advisor Brooke Rollins; Charles R. Kesler, who edits the conservative Claremont Review of Books; conservative activists Ned Ryun and Charlie Kirk; Phil Bryant, the Republican former governor of Mississippi;[1][24] classicist Victor Davis Hanson, as well as John Gibbs, Scott McNealy, Peter Kirsanow, Thomas Lindsay, Michael Farris, and Bob McEwen." However, in your article on 1776 Unites, it refers to the members of its study as "academics". Why the difference? TheMadLasher TheMadLasher (talk) 01:48, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk:1776 Commission is the place to discuss your observations, TheMadLasher.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

How do you edit using AutoWikiBrowser? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kepler-1229b: Check out Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser. There is link there to request permission to use AWB and also a link to the user manual. RudolfRed (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

got it🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I update license status?

I edited Aleck Pearsall earlier today, adding a photo with a caption. The next editor cropped the photo, re-inserted it in the article and a bot flagged it for not having information on its copyright and licensing status. The original photo information is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Excelsiors_of_Brooklyn,_E.,_1860,_Raynolds,_J._Whiting,_Crei_-_(4050447433).jpg

Do I revert changes made? Is there a way to update the information already posted in the article? How do I proceed? Pibal373 (talk) 02:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pibal373: I've tagged it as public domain in the US and a cropped version of an existing image. That should do it. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Please help with why my article was rejected.

Hello, I would like some help with understanding why an article was rejected so that I can resolve the issues. My article about a high-IQ society called the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry was rejected with an explanation that it should be written "from a neutral point of view." However, I would like some advice on how it could be written in a more neutral style than it was, as it only states verifiable facts about the society and contains verifiable references. The rejection feedback also said that the article should "refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." However, nine of the sources refer various years of the Guinness Book of World Records, which mentions the society, and one source is a book written by Marilyn vos Savant published by McGraw-Hill. A few of the sources refer to the society's own webpage, but the majority are "independent, reliable, published sources" that were not produced by the subject (society) being discussed. In the past, this society has been mysteriously targeted for rejection from Wikipedia while other High-IQ societies (Mensa, Intertel, etc.) have been included. I would like to resolve this discrepancy. In addition, the rejection stated that the article reads more like an advertisement than an article. However, the facts contained are similar in nature to those contained in the Mensa, Intertel, and other high-IQ society pages. I would like to some help in resolving these issues.

Again, I respectfully request some help identifying which of the factual statements appear to have been written from something other than a "neutral point of view." I would also like some advice about why nine separate Guinness Book of World Records books and one McGraw-Hill book do not qualify as "independent, reliable, published sources."

I look forward to your help. Thank you! ThousanderISPE (talk) 04:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @ThousanderISPE: and welcome to the teahouse. Firstly, I don't understand why you used nowiki tags in references in your Draft:International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. Learn referencing from referencing for beginners or from the blue button present in first message on your talk page which says Learn more about editing.

Secondly, you will agree that your own website doesn't establish notability. When this society was included in guiness book, some newspaper must have published this news. Find that news and cite it there. Also cite what work this society has done (Eg: Scientific papers etc.)

Third, When you cite sources as I told above, the problem of article being promotional can be solved by any other editor as they can check those sources and normalise the tone.
Last but not the least, Your username gives impression that you are connected to society. You must declare your conflict of interest or if you are being paid to write this article the also read WP:PAID -- Parnaval (talk) 06:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

User:ThousanderISPE, let's look at a sample. We are told:

The International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE), a.k.a. The Thousand®, is a global scientific and philosophical high-IQ society founded in 1974 by Christopher Phillip Harding for individuals 18 years of age or older who have performed at or above the 99.9th percentile on any well-recognized and accepted test of cognitive ability.

Wikipedia is uninterested in the registration, or otherwise, of trademarks. (The article about Microsoft is about "Microsoft", not about "Microsoft®".) What, if anything, does "global" mean here? How (according to independent sources) is the society "scientific" or "philosophical"? What (again according to independent sources) does the society do? -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Unable to move articles out of sandbox and not sure how to credit/cite translated article

Hi,

I recently translated the original Traditional Chinese text of Dayi Heart with a friend who is fluent in both Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, and English, and we'd like to publish the article and move it out of my sandbox. However, I do not have enough edits to publish it and I also do not know how to cite this type of article since it is directly translated from the original texts. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you! XerryJu (talk) 05:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, XerryJu. A straightforward translation of the text of a work written in another language is not a topic appropriate for the English Wikipedia. We do not host translations. We host encyclopedia articles. Please read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

That being said, it may be an appropriate text for Wikisource. Zoozaz1 talk 14:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Request semi-protection

I'm having trouble with getting a request for semi-protection for a Wikipedia article, how do I go about this? Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 05:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Btspurplegalaxy, you can ask at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

What happened to <score>  ?

when I type

<score> (score stuff) </score>

before this would produce a scoresheet, such as that found on Yorckscher Marsch. Why does it now say "Musical scores are temporarily disabled." - whats going on? 69.172.145.94 (talk) 08:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

It's disabled for security reasons. See Help:Score and phab:T257066. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

According to some comments at Help talk:Score there is a partial workaround (implemented, for example, at The_Cullercoats_Fish_Lass), though I've no idea whether it works in all cases.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Machan Taylor nominated for speedy deletion... it's a DRAFT and has only been up for ... 45 minutes?!

I JUST started creating and editing an article draft for singer and composer Machan Taylor. My draft is synthesizing at least six resources or more. The thing has only been up for 45 minutes but I spent several hours collecting sources and details that would fit any legitimate article on Wikipedia. I've contested the speedy deletion proposal but am just baffled that the thing has been up in a space that should allow for safe drafting before any of these judgments are cast on one's work for just a few minutes and I'm already grappling with this. I haven't edited more because I wanted to get some sleep. Is there any way to preserve one's work so I have a chance to edit this? I had added some notes in the draft that may have triggered something, but they are meant for editing and cross-referencing. Please help: I've put a lot of research preparing for this draft and am concerned the work I've put in won't get at least some minor consideration after I finish the draft ... I mean, I just started this draft and am already chasing problems that a draft shouldn't really be dealing with. --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was deleted because it was a copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Theroadislong (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

? I didn't edit anything that violated copyright... this is perplexing. I worked on this thing for hours. Can someone please restore the draft so I can keep working on it? --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: (edit conflict) Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, I am not an administrator, so I cannot view the deleted text. While it is true that the rules in draftspace are somewhat more lenient, there are still certain things not allowed there. Keep in mind that even though its draftspace, its still technically visible to others (but not search engines, at least the well-behaved) when they know where to find it. Based on the deletion reason left by Jimfbleak it appears like the page was too similar to [machantaylor.com/bio this website]. While that website doesn't carry any information about its content license (or I just didn't find it), because copyright issiues can put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy, we must assume its copyrighted, meaning we cannot use the exaxt wording here. We don't restore copyright violations. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

So I need to start over? I literally spent HOURS on research and drafts through the night. It would have been easier to just copy something. I had reference notes on the article draft. But all reference notes are going to be similar to her bio: if I mention 10 bands she's been a part of and those 10 bands are mentioned in her bio I am getting slapped with a copyright violation? What would you suggest? 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

As I said, I am not an admin and therfore cannot see the deleted text. I sometimes realy wish I could see deleted revisions, but that is not a privilege the community has given me so far And I am 99% sure that an attempt to get that privilege would fail due to WP:NOTNOW). I have mentioned Jimfbleak here, perhaps he can give some more info? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Jimfbleak deleted it as a blatant copyright violation of this page. I have to say that this does puzzle me. I haven't made a systematic comparison, but I chose four samples from what you wrote, had Firefox look for each within the page said to have been plagiarized, and Firefox failed to find any. OTOH I am sleepy. Perhaps Jimfbleak would like to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Another user flagged it as a copyright violation. You made a minor edit to it. You then reduced its bulk considerably. After that, Jimfbleak deleted the entire draft. Some of the material in what you deleted from the draft did violate copyright. Wild guess: You copied material that looked promising into the draft intending to paraphrase or quote the best bits and delete the rest before submitting the result as a candidate article -- surely, you thought, this would be OK? But no, even the fleetingest copyright violation counts as copyright violation. And my guess could anyway be wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary The notes I deleted were just a mess of items I'd gathered for reference. I'm not even sure I was going to use any of it. I saw the first copyright violation flag and contested before I went back to clean up what I was planning to leave in the draft to resume work later. We're all volunteers here, so this is pretty intense. I'll need to get some sleep. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I need to get some rest too. Here's the way I worked on this: I tend to work on Pink Floyd and other bands from time to time. I wanted to create a Machan Taylor page: she may be the only Pink Floyd back up singer that hasn't had an article drafted and she is cross-referenced across several other existing articles. I spent a few weeks totaling a good amount of hours researching her. I pulled resources and references together, compared them to see which ones were legitimate enough, etc. The subject has worked with Glenn Miller Orchestra, Sting, Gov't Mule, and many others too - is a professor in her artistic space, etc. So I began a draft. I synthesized information that I put in the first paragraph (the introductory paragraph) that were in my own words. I created a paragraph about her early life that is based on interviews - more than a couple. Then I left some notes in the space that would be devoted to her career overview but those notes were not organized. That may have included things from other sources that I needed to check on to see if they were fit for quotes. I stopped because I had been working on this for hours and needed a break. Within minutes the draft was deleted. I just feels like if I write the bands this woman worked with it will get slapped with 'plagiarism.' So this one singer for Pink Floyd and all these other artists and bands will never have an article then - it seems it will be impossible to get around this. Also, what this tells me is the 'draft' space here is no such thing. You have to bring the article 100% fleshed out and fully done to avoid punitive action. It seems it's not a very effective space to begin a project and resume work on it later. It's a tad harsh. The first two sections of the article were my own work. The third section was just jumbled notes to guide the next part of the draft... so I'm not sure what this means in terms of drafting. Thank you for your feedback. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, The editors who search for copyright violations are not perfect, I know I'm one of them. I think my error rate is under 1% but I do make mistakes. even when it is not a mistake, if the material is enough of the copyright violation that it ought to be deleted, I fully understand that it may also include information such as references that would be relevant for a rewrite. My guess is that the deleting administrator would be happy to email you the contents, but if that doesn't happen in short order, let me know and I will email the contents to you. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I understand. I'd appreciate the help and will keep referential material on a Word doc... it seems that's what triggered this. I think I'm just a bit paranoid now for lack of rest and because I was being so careful! Thanks, everyone.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

One thing that is important to be aware of is that close paraphrasing, when a text is minimally rewritten, is also (usually) a copyright violation, and is certainly plagiarism. I haven't seen your text so I don't know if that was the issue here, but it is something that happens pretty frequently. It is really difficult to paraphrase a text well, because we get stuck in how the existing text presents and discusses the information. The best way of creaating an entirely new text is to start with just the key facts and write the text based on those, instead of starting with existing sentences and writing a text based on them. --bonadea contributions talk 12:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea Thank you for the feedback, I truly appreciate it.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: I'm not surprised you are frustrated at this experience but since you will be starting over (I hope from the e-mailed copy) I can give you a couple of tips from my experience with new articles. First, DONT use MS Word: it often "helpfully" converts Wiki markup for italics (that is '') into standard quotes (or even "smart" quotes, which is worse) and makes other possibly unwanted changes. So keep your local copy in a simple text editor (I use Wordpad, saving as .rtf). Second, it is helpful to switch between the local editor and the source editor in Wikipedia, to see, for example, how the templates will render and occasionally to add new material, especially citations. Make sure you switch on syntax highlighting in the Source editor (pen icon next to the word "Advanced" at top of edit window) so that you can use the colours to match up tags etc. Preview often BUT don't save ("publish") anything — copy the edited material back into your local editor from time to time. That way, you'll never hit copyright issues because Wikipedia will have no retained material until you are nearly done with the draft. Third, focus first on establishing that your WP:BLP meets the WP:NMUSICIAN notability criteria, which should be easy in this case. A full discography or list of bands can be added after acceptance of the article, so just get your key WP:secondary reliable sources that have WP:SIGCOV included. Quality is much more important in drafts than quantity. So you don't need a photograph of the artist but you must have a cited source for any facts about her. Some simple facts can be cited to WP:primary sources like her website but such sources don't establish notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull Thank you for this feedback: everything I'm getting here is great guidance.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, I understand you might want to take a brief break which is understandable. I believe that the admin restored your material and mentioned that on your talk page. If I'm mistaken and you still need the material, you should turn on your email option in preferences and I will email you the contents. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I think the material was restored, which I appreciate it. But I will make sure to have the email option turned on. I didn't realize it wasn't on. Thanks so much.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirect Creation

Hello, I wanted to redirect De Fem to Anna Cassel § De Fem but was blocked by the "Article Wizard", forcing me to create a draft (I assume this is not necessary for a simple redirect). I was wondering if there was any way around this or an alternative facility for creating them? Should I be able to do this as a new user? SmallJarsWithGreenLabels (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

You can create a re-direct page easily by searching for the name you want to give it and when the search wizard says "You may create the page "De Fem", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered." you click on the red not-yet-present page and proceed. Note that you need to get the correct capitalisation in your search, so the redlink will be correct. The new redirect page just needs the code #REDIRECT [[Anna Cassel#De Fem]], which I'd do for you but the complication is that there are already redirects for De fem benspænd and De fem i fedtefadet (and maybe others), so I'm not sure what's best to do: a disambiguation page may be better. Someone more experienced than me will advise. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

P.S. SmallJarsWithGreenLabels. I see that you have a newly-created account, so you may have to wait until auto-confirmed before you can create the page yourself but as that will be trivial, I guess someone who has seen these Teahouse comments will do it if this seems sensible. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

SmallJarsWithGreenLabels Michael D. Turnbull I have created the redirect page, so that is all done. The other redirects containing De fem only had it as part of the title, so I decided that the best solution would be to go ahead with the redirect. Redtree21 (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. SmallJarsWithGreenLabels (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Reply on a Talk Page

I am having great difficulty in replying to a comment on a Talk Page. I have typed my comment and pressed PUBLISH but my reply seems to have gone into the ether. What am I doing wrong? BuffyO'B (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi BuffyO'B, could you please state what talk page you tried to edit? This will help us work out what the problem is. Redtree21 (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How to reply to a comment on a Talk Page

redtree21 I am trying to reply to a comment on the Myles Moylan page. I have typed it and pressed PUBLISH but nothing happens. BuffyO'B (talk) 13:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Your comments on that Talk page from 28 April are there OK[2] although you forgot to sign with four tildes ~~~~. If you are trying to add something else, I suggest you try again, as clearly everything is OK now here at the Teahouse (except you added a new section when you could have continued the existing one immediately above this one) Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Creating a page and adding a photo

I just made my first page for my relative who served in World War Two who was the most decorated Pilot in RAF Coastal Command in WW2 who is credited with sinking the first German U Boat of the War Mick Ensor DSO & Bar DFC & Bar and AFC

i have no idea how to add his photo to the article I have uploaded one already I just now have to atach it to the page somehow

any help would be appreciated

a photo of Maechel Anthony Ensor during WW2

 Bommer76 (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Bommer76, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! It would seem you already added the photo to the article you are talking about. You would also need to make sure to put a conflict of interest notice on your user page as you are a relative of the subject of the article! Let me know if you have any questions! Thank you and enjoy your stay here on Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 13:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I worry that there may also be a copyright issue. Where did you get the image from? The exif data says that it was taken in 2012, in which case you must have been copying an already-existing print. The copyright ownership of that work is its photographer, not you, except in certain special circumstances. Note also that when the article is submitted, you should use just the person's name for the title, not including his awards and preferably you should use inline citations (see WP:REFBEGIN). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have tagged the draft for deletion, because it has been copied and pasted from here [3] Theroadislong (talk) 16:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Finding appropriate sources

Hello, Yesterday, I submitted an article about a minor celebrity (folk singer/songwriter Kitty MacFarlane), which unfortunately wasn't accepted. Having read the advice helpfully left by the reviewer, I understand that the references I supplied are not to the standard required by Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I coudn;t find any sources which fit the requirements; almost everything available about this person is from reviews and articles about her music. Could anyone give me some advice about finding better sources? I would really like to get this article published, as there are a number of well-known folk artists lacking Wikipedia articles - something I'd like to help with. I would really appreciate any advise. H Henry Kingdon (talk) 14:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

This sounds like a case of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The person in question has been a prolific member of the folk revival community for over a decade. Surely, that's long enough for us to talk about them? Most modern musicians will mainly appear in article which discuss their work in terms of reviews. Are we unable to talk about them?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kitty MacFarlane @Henry Kingdon: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Per the reviewer, needs better refs. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Henry Kingdon, and welcome to the Teahouse. You say "Surely, that's long enough for us to talk about them?" But that's not the question (the shortcut title TOOSOON may be misleading you). The question is "Have other people talked about them?" That is, have other people, unconnected with McFarlane, chosen to write about her and been published in reliable sources? If the answer is No, then it is indeed "too soon". Reviews in reliable sources can certainly be cited and used in an article - but if none of the reviews say much about the artist, then there is pretty well nothing that can go into the article. At present, not a single source in the draft is independent of her. While non-independent sources can be used in a limited way (see PRIMARY), they do not contribute to establishing notability, and should be only a small proportion of the sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Copyright on images

Hello! I have questions regarding image copyrights. If I found an image that is likely to have copyright problems, where do I make the report? Thank you! SunDawn (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:IMAGEHELP will be the place to start. - X201 (talk) 15:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Getting to outreach dashboard

I have difficulties finding the outreach dash board page please help ChabbieCee (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@ChabbieCee: Is this what you’re looking for? [[4]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC) talk:Timtempleton:Yes please thank you.

Link to Italian wiki

Can someone please explain to me why in this article the link to the corresponding Italian article doesn't show up even though the interlink is properly established in the wikidata repository? Tanonero (msg) 15:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Interwiki links aren't immedately updated when something is changed on wikidata, but rather from time to time via a job queue. You can use a purge to speed things up. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks a lot! --Tanonero (msg) 15:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have adjusted the link to above. Shortcuts are a pain. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

My User Contributions when I am logged in generates no content only this message: "The filter provided no history matches"

When I am logged in to my account, I am no longer able to access the list of my Contributions. I can only access it if I am logged out. Is it possible I accidently added an edit filter when I recently visited my Preference page? Thanks. The Contributions option is so useful! Oceanflynn (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Oceanflynn, click the "Search for contributions" button to expand it if it is not already expanded. To check all the contributions, the 'User:' field should have your username, the 'Namespace' field should have 'all' selected, and rest all the fields and tickboxes should be empty. Then, click "search". See if this helps. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Are citations needed for Discography?

Is it essential to provide citations on a musical artist's discography section? Tamingimpala (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamingimpala, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer appears to be Yes, but not necessarily inline. See WP:WikiProject Discographies/style#Citations and references. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sources review

Hi, could you please review the sources i have provided in my draft of "David Alaverdian" HaykInformation (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:David Alaverdian --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HaykInformation, and welcome to the Teahouse. The sources required to establish notability need to meet all three of the requirements of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject. 1 may mor may not be reliable, but is almost certainly not independent, and does not contain significant coverage. 2 is a blog, which are hardly every regarded as reliable sources; 3 does not contain significant coverage. In short - you probably can't use 2 as a reference at all; 1 and 3 may be used as primary sources, to support uncontroversial factual information, as long as there are also suitable independent sources to establish him as notable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How to shrink a logo pic

I Need help to shrink a logo pic Where in the already published german wiki, the logo is correct dimensioned, on the en-wiki page (not yet published) it is to big. So I need Your help how to shrink the logo pic. See: [[5]] [[6]] [[7]]

Thanks in advance Stroth wiki (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Stroth wiki: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. The |logo= param of Template:Infobox organisation expects a filename and an exitension only. If done this way, the infobox will automatically adjust the image to a fitting size, because this way the size of the image is dependent on the size of the infobox. So, for example, to use File:Example.jpg as a logo, one would type |logo=Example.jpg. I have changed this in User:Stroth_wiki/sandbox. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I see. The "centered" was an overdose. Thank You! --Stroth wiki (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Untitled signatuew without a question

 Alan Svirnovskiy (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alan Svirnovskiy! You can make future test edits at Wikipedia:Sandbox or by creating your own personal sandbox, for instance at User:Alan Svirnovskiy/sandbox, to see how Wikipedia formatting works. — Bilorv (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

hello

just passing to say hi, im quite new to wikipedia so i would like some advice on how to edit properly.

thanks in advance. TheTankMan001 (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheTankMan001. Try The Wikipedia Adventure. It is an interactive learning game. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

i already did but its quite basic though, anyways, thanks for the tip anyway. dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

TheTankMan001 before I made my first Wikipedia edit I read dozens of Wikipedia articles – both the ones rated as good articles, and those that had tags stating problems needed fixing. (I chose subjects I was interested in, so that wasn't boring.) I looked at the references and figured out good sources vs. not reliable ones. After that, when I read an article that I felt could be improved, I knew where to look for good information, and how to write what I call the "bland, neutral" style. (I can't give my opinion, or use flowery language. As Sergeant Joe Friday used to say on Dragnet "just the facts".) I had to know what Wikipedia was all about before I could try to help out.

Best wishes on your upcoming editing adventures. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the advice! dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

help

need help with making my article compliant with wikipedia guideline Antranjay singh (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh, hello and welcome, if you are referencing your draft article on the politician, then unfortunately no, it is not possible right now for anyone to help you (pertaining their notability status) as they fail to meet our general notability criteria and out notability criteria for politicians. See WP:GNG and WP:NPOL respectively. Celestina007 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh: generally, candidates for office aren't notable - if he wins election to a state or national legislative district, he's notable though. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Race and intelligence help

On this page Race and intelligence there are errors "harvp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNisbettAronsonBlairDickens2012a" does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you! QuantumRealm (meow • telescope) 19:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi QuantumRealm. That reference is listed in full twice in the text. To use harv references the full reference must be listed only once. Put one copy in the Bibliography section and remove the other one. See Template:Harvard citation no brackets. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Table appears under next subheading

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Barnasj, it appears that a curly bracket was missing at the end of the table syntax. It should be fixed now. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Actor Jose Perez

I've been trying to write a page about the character actor Jose Perez and it keeps being rejected. I sincerely believe I've thoroughly documented his career and shown it's notability and I don't want to submit and be rejected again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jose_Perez_(actor) I'm hoping someone here can help me understand what the problem is so I can fix it. Perrydigm (talk) 00:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Perrydigm, welcome to the Teahouse! Articles on Wikipedia have to be written from a WP:NPOV, not like a article in the New York Times. There is a standard for neutrality that articles must meet.

Second, a lot of the sources are not reliable or do not contribute to notability. Almost all of the references are from some list of stuff, which doesn't demonstrate notability. For some of the other ones, notability isn't established by a passing mention unfortunately. Then there is the fandom.com citation, which is not reliable, as it is also a Wiki. You should read the general notability guidelines.

Also, a little secret: It's much easier to start on Wikipedia with something small. A new article is very, very hard to accomplish. I would recommend starting with smaller tasks such as copy edit or categorization. There is a list of tasks at WP:TASKCENTER. I, personally, started with commenting out unused list defined references. Trust me, it's much easier to start this way. Most, if not all, of the editors you see here today had beginnings doing basic copy edit, and some still do now. Thank you for reading this!Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 01:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Well thank you Sungodtemple, but A)I am not just starting here. I have created two new articles in the past, so I am not unaware of the criteria or the difficulty. I just seem to be having particular trouble convincing reviewers they are being met for this one. And B) I'm not sure how to make the point that the productions he performed in received excellent reviews (which I document with references) from a more Neutral POV. They were good reviews. That's not neutral.

C)The notability criteria for entertainers are:

"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."

He acted in eighteen 'big-screen' movies, which between them won 2 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes and were nominated for 2 Oscars and 3 more Golden Globes. I think that constitutes "multiple" and the Emmys and GoldenGlobes would seem to indicate notability. And he was in the principle cast for two different TV shows. That is a "significant role".

"Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following."

I can't attest to his personal following, but at least one of the films he acted in is considered a "cult classic".

"Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

I can't attest to "unique" or "innovative" personal contributions, but many of the productions he performed in were certainly groundbreaking (Steambath, The Way of The Gun, Eastside Westside).

What I think is indisputable, however is that his contributions have been "prolific". How can anybody possibly argue that over 980 performances on Broadway, over 400 performances off-Broadway, dozens of television episodes in ten different TV series, including one in which he had second-billing and appeared in every episode (On the Rocks), as he did in Calucci's Department (where he got third billing) and eighteen 'big-screen' movies isn't "prolific"? Is there some doubt as to whether he actually acted in all these productions? Is there some way to more "reliably" document his participation in all those productions that would be more persuasive? There aren't a whole lot of sources other than IMDB, etc. for this sort of information that I'm aware of. What am I missing?

Perrydigm a sad fact of life is that a lot of online sources aren't considered reliable, including the Internet Movie Database. I've written articles about actors, and editors come along after the article's been published and remove my occasional IMDd reference. Try to find published-in-book-form reliable references. And even though you love Calucci's Department, just say Jose Perez was in it, not that it was and much-beloved but ill-fated show. Here's a reference I found for you:

Perez played Ramon Gonzales in Calucci's Department.(use proper referencing format) Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh, The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and TV Shows 1946 – Present, Ballantine Books, 1979, page 98.

You referenced a New York Times article about the show. Nice article, but Perez isn't mentioned in it, so it doesn't help him to be notable. If you have a local library that's now open, and it has a good reference book section, try to find books listing Perez's movie roles. For each one you find there's a good reference source.

It seems to be important to you to say that The Way of the Gun is a cult classic, but if that hinders you getting a neutral-tone article accepted, just write that Perez was in the film, and find a good reference that says so.

I'm a published author, and I like to be creative, and to let people know my opinions of certain things. But I can't do that on Wikipedia. I keep everything neutral, and if I ever write that something's considered excellent, then I'm giving a direct quote from a reliable published source. It is difficult for me to write a good Wikipedia article, because it often takes me six or more months to find good references. But if I want to have a good online source of information on a subject that's important to me I don't publish the article until I'm confident everything in it will pass muster with most reviewing editors. Best wishes in editing your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Get my article reviewed

I have written an article on the current political situation of the Amhara ethnic group in Ethiopia. There is a waiting period of 5 months before it could be reviewed. It would be nice if someone could review it before that. Here is the link to the draft article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amhara_Massacre

Thanks, KeyBaher (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KeyBaher. It could take up to five months or it could be sooner. Each reviewer decides which drafts they want to evaluate, and the highest quality drafts tend to get reviewed sooner. Your draft is about a massacre but does not give the date of the event in the opening sentence. Correct that. The victims were from the Amhara people and you should link to that article. Link also to the major places mentioned in your draft, and the organizations involved. Your article begins with describing one specific massacre but then goes on to describe a variety of related incidents, including several that took place earlier. Consider restructuring the draft to a more chronogical narrative. In conclusion, the best thing you can do is to keep improving the draft, making it closer and closer to a halfway decent encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Los Angeles Philharmonic Institute

Adding Carolyn Waters Broe to Notable Alumni

I am wondering if anyone in Wikipedia: Teahouse is talented at making additions to articles? I was a violist in the Los Angles Philharmonic Institute Orchestra the very first year in the summer of 1982 under the direction of Leonard Bernstein. It was an amazing experience that I will never forget! Bernstein was absolutely inspiring. I worked with several top celebrity conductors that summer and many of the conducting associates as well. I became the Conductor and Artistic Director of the Four Seasons Orchestra of Scottsdale, Arizona, and the Principal Violist of the Scottsdale Philharmonic. Bernstein helped me to understand the importance of communication with the orchestra members as a conductor. The URL of the LA Philharmonic Institute article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Philharmonic_Institute. The URL of the Wikipedia article on me is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Waters_Broe. There are pictures of me talking to conductor Christopher Hogwood and working with the Principal Violist of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Jan Halinka. He has long since passed away. I was a student of LA Philharmonic violist Jerry Epstein in the mid-1970s at UC Irvine, CA, who passed away a couple of summers ago after forty-three years with them! It is possible that there is a program in the LA Philharmonic Archives from 1982 with my name listed as Carolyn Broe https://www.laphil.com/about/la-phil/archives-services.

Thank you for your help. Carolyn 98.161.141.134 (talk) 04:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Carolyn. I see another editor has now added your name to the article.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Get my article reviewed

I have an article for BGYO's new song entitled He's Into Her, it was moved to draft space almost a month ago. Is it possible to review my article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:He%27s_Into_Her_(BGYO_song) Thank you and best regards. Troy26Castillo (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The backlog of 5,000+ drafts is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review next. Could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Teahouse hosts are not necessarily also reviewers. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Troy26Castillo This is the second time you created a draft for a song by BGYO very shortly after the songs' release date (see The Light (BGYO song). And you are extremely knowledgeable about small details. Similar situation for the article about the group BGYO and an article about the launch of the band Be The Light: The BGYO Launch. (Really? An article about the band's launch, separate from the article about the band?) What, if any, are your connections to the group? If paid, that information belongs on your User page. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Hello sir, regarding this matter, I am only a fan but I am not paid in doing these articles. I don't have any connections with them personally even with the management. It saddens me reading your comment sir. Because I am not earning in doing these things. That is why, I don't understand why there is comment in the article of being undisclosed paid. And also sir, if there were things that I need to improve in the article I am revising it to make it better. But, please sir don't say that I am being paid for this. I respect your opinion sir. Thank you also. Troy26Castillo (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: With all due respect, but let me inform you sir that I have nothing to disclosed because I am not paid in doing this article. Why I am being accused of something which I haven't done in the first place. Troy26Castillo (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Asking an editor if they have a personal connection or are in a paid relationship is a common, near-standard question to ask editors who appear to have a single purpose. For the four articles I named (the group, the launch of the group, the two songs - all of which you created), and in addition for Pinoy pop and 2021 in Philippine music you had made between 500 and 1000 edits about BGYO. My query was rational. I see that on your User page you have added a declaration of not PAID, which was the appropriate thing to do. It leaves not answered whether you have any personal connection to the music group, which would fall under conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Sir, I don't have any personal connection with any of the articles and edits i did here in Wikipedia. I also mentioned it on my user page. But, still I have to be thankful for you in this reminder. At least I know these things now. Lastly, just to be clear I am not connected personally with them or with any articles i did here.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD:And also, to be clear, I am not the creator of the group article, I only edit and add inputs, for clarification only sir.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I am corrected. User:SenyorOtter created BGYO on 1 Feb. You began editing it 3 Feb. And I see that you have added a no conflict of interest declaration on your User page. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

User page

Are IP users allowed to create userpages? If not, why? 89.80.238.24 (talk) 09:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there 89.80. IPs are allowed to have user pages, however as IP users can't create accounts, they generally don't. It's much better to create an account as, technically, IP addresses are not people and simply numerical values. This means a user page could be yours one day and not be if you have a dynamic IP. As IP signatures also link to your contributions page, it is likely that having a user page will not have much merit. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question 89.80.238.24 (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

IP's cannot create userpages. If somebody else creates the page then they can edit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My rejected edits involved patents belonging to Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other edit was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair. by Sue Austin.

I have tried to make edits in connection with two people who I have worked for. They are both still alive, and I worked on their patents, and got them granted. Because I did not know how to edit, I finished up being "told off" for editing, and the edits were removed. How I can edit properly, so that my edits are not removed. The first edit was in connection with the patent which I worked on for Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair, invented by by Sue Austin. I placed my website on both edits. Was that OK? I can give you my further details if required. This question is in response to the email I received from Wikipedia. Creativeinventor (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Creativeinventor: welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have a connection to these people, and since it is your own website you are adding, you should avoid making those edits yourself. Instead, you should place an edit request on the talk pages of the articles (Talk:Jet Black and Talk:Sue Austin respectively). To place an edit request, place the text {{edit request}} (including the curly brackets) on the talk page, and below that, describe the change you would like to make to the article. There is a step-by-step description of how to do it on this page.

If you are being compensanted in any way for your edits, you also need to disclose that: more information about how you do that here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Both articles state that the subject have a patent, with a reference to the patents in question. Your first person addition ("I am pleased to be able to say that I worked with Sue on the preparation of the Patent...") does not belong in the articles. The only way you could be mentioned by name is if there is a publication not connected to you, i.e., not your website, that states that you were a contributor to the patent application processes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

****ATTENTION ADMIN****

I have submitted a request for IMMEDIATE Username change from Joseph.M.Novotny31 to "The Messenger". This is a THEOLOGICAL philosophical document that will be looked at by many scholars and the likes. This was a VIOLATION of my philosophy and goes against the message. Please remove my screw up immediately as the thread is locked for me.Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't accept theological or philosophical treatises. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph.M.Novotny31: To change your user name, you need to follow the procedure described on this page. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The username User:The Messenger is already taken. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If your purpose is to make something like what is on your userpage into a WP-article, that is unlikely to be possible per WP:FORUM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

question about a draft

hi, I am working on a draft for the page of Gustavo Ruben Valenzuela, how do I submit it for review? Michele Santana Italiano (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Michele Santana Italiano, and welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to have submitted it for review seven minutes before the question above, so I'm a bit puzzled. Anyway, it is now in the pile for review (it is not a queue); but at present it has zero chance of being accepted, because it has no references at all - please see REFB - and so does not establish notability. It is possible that some of the links you have put as "external links" will work as references, but since you have presented them in a way that does not show any useful information about them, I can't tell without going into them. I also note that your language is not neutral or encyclopaedic: "carries with pride his father's name" is inappropriate, as is "grew with that feeling that there was a huge world to be discovered and explored". Remember that a Wikipedia article is not in any way for the benefit of the subject, and Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Michele Santana Italiano: the draft User:Michelesantanna/sandbox/GustavoRubenValenzuela appears to be a copy of a profile at [8]. I have thus marked it for speedy deletion. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. – NJD-DE (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Where is the Proper Area for Talking about Fictional Character Notability

So I have a problem with a draft, mixed of notable and not notable fictional characters. Where is the proper page for talking about their notability? Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 16:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ahthga Yram, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your signature is disruptive, and you should change it immediately. If you want to discuss the appropriateness of the characters, there is probably an appropriate WP:WikiProject, but since Draft:List of Genshin Impact characters (which I assume you're talking about) does not even indicate what medium this is, or bother to wikilink the title, I'm not inclined to go looking for one for you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:NFICTION may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing Information

I have found 4 different items that are missing. Since I have never updated a page, I was hoping someone else could make these updates.

On the page for Dec 1, the death of Ken Berry in the year 2018 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Berry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1

On the page for Feb 1, the death of Heather O'Rourke in the year 1988 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_O%27Rourke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1

On the page for Nov 11, the birth of John Reilly in the year 1934 is missing. On the page for Jan 9, the death of John Reilly in the year 2021 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_9 Beatles777! (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Ken Berry  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Heather O'Rourke  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

And I've added Reilly's death to Jan 9, but I've not added his birth, because I am not satisfied that we have a reliable source for his birthday. Almost all the sources are obituaries, most of them originally seem to have reported his age as 84, and one of them said that they got his birth date from Wikipedia. Only one of them (USA Today) seems to have his birthdate, and I suspect that they got that from Wikipedia, and originally said 1936 just as Wikipedia did until 11 January.

Thank you for pointing these out, Beatles777!. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Fake sources and own website sources

Can some one edit the 'Social activism' section in the article Vanathi Srinivasan. A good amount of content is not in the source and some are from her own website. I can't edit because it is locked. 2409:4072:895:BC96:2B0A:3E7F:383:ED0A (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Please make an edit request on the article's talk page, specifying precisely what changes you think should be made. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

How to get help from other editors on pages with biased contributors?

Hi - I'm noticing a few pages, like Mark Twitchell (a page for a serial killer, who someone keeps describing as an "artist"), Yogi Bhajan, and others. The Yogi Bhajan page now has a "conflict of interest" warning. Are there other means to prevent this kind of biased editing?

 Cisternet (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cisternet. Mark Twitchell is not a serial killer although he may have wanted to be. He murdered one person, and tried to kill a second person. The article focuses almost entirely on his crimes, and I do not see him described as an artist currently. The other article is Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, and its talk page has extensive discussions of conflict of interest. It is a messy and sad story. In all cases, the place to begin discussion of problems with an article is the talk page of the article. There are many forms of dispute resolution available. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard may be of interest to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

reinstating deleted categories (Asian American librarians)

I'm looking for advice around procedures and etiquette for requesting a category be reinstated.

The situation: the category "Asian American librarians" was nominated for deletion in December 2020. I don't think there was a clear consensus to change the category based on that discussion, but it was nonetheless revised to "American librarians of Asian descent," a container category with currently two subcategories: "American librarians of Japanese descent" and "American librarians of Chinese descent". Unfortunately, another subcategory, "American librarians of Korean descent," was nominated for deletion in January 2021 and subsequently deleted. I don't understand how a container category can be maintained with integrity if the subcategories are deleted.

The rationale for maintaining this occupation + ethnicity category is best demonstrated by the existence since 1980 of an organization dedicated to serving the needs of this group, the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association. This is a category that would be difficult to replicate via queries, since a query would need to include the intersection of Asian Americans and multiple Pacific Islander American identities (for example, American Samoan librarians, Native Hawaiian librarians, etc., etc.). Despite the invocation of WP:OCEGRS, this is not a "trivial" intersection to the members of this group! There are currently at least 13 articles in Wikipedia that should be brought together by an "Asian American librarians" category.

My questions: Does the Wikipedia:Deletion review process also work for categories? I only see information about the deletion of pages there. I see that I need to "inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion" as part of the deletion review process, but does that mean the discussion of the original change to a container category, or the discussion of the deletion of the subcategory "American librarians of Korean descent"? The original change from a standalone category to a container category sets these subcategories up for frequent deletion discussions, as the numbers in subcategories such as "Micronesian American librarians" will always be challenged by WP:SMALL, so I think this situation needs to be reviewed as a whole. I appreciate any help! Skvader (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Where to get a second opinion?

I have no idea how to deal with Awad Haj Ali, I've raised the problem in the talk page, but what come next? I'm not confident enough on my understanding of the rules to delete content, and I feel like this could go against WP:AGF. Obviously by asking the question I raise attention on the article to get a second opinion, but my understanding is that this is not the place to ask this. So my question is: is there a place where I can ask for a second opinion? 37.164.187.165 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello 37.164, good question. I recommend reading WP:BLP, WP:BOLD and WP:BRD. WP:BLPN may be the place to ask next. Since WP has millions of articles and thousands of active editors, many talkpages (and articles) have few if any watchers, but they are the place to start, like you did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I see that there have been two edits to reduce a lot of extraneous information, so that looks much better. I have two thoughts: One, the user appears to have a close connection (and therefore more prone to promotional content) and most of the information is not cited. I am going to take a look at whether I can find sources - and if not remove uncited content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for drawing our attention to this. I've removed almost all of the content because we don't list indiscriminate information and none of it was the sort of thing usually considered important enough to mention (except that a short "Selected publications" section of maybe 5-10 of the most important publications could reintroduce some of the "Publications" section). Once you get more confident, you can make such changes unilaterally. I think, unfortunately, the page creator was likely Ali himself or someone else with a conflict of interest as the editor has no contributions outside this topic. But Ali does look notable at a first impression.

To grab more attention, you've found one method (asking at the Teahouse) and I'm agreed with Gråbergs Gråa Sång that WP:BLPN (the biography of living persons noticeboard) is likely the best venue for this. Sometimes there would be an active WikiProject if you're looking for subject specialists (like if it was military history-related, I'd go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history because I know there are a lot of experienced editors there). The key is to remember you've asked the question (maybe make a note of it) and ask somewhere else if you don't get a response where you post initially. — Bilorv (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Michie Tavern - Pronunciation

I took a stab at adding pronunciation for Michie Tavern, based on a tag on the article asking for pronunciation. I used an online tool to create the IPA format + added text about how Michie is pronounced "Mickey" from a source. I looked at Help:IPA and {{IPA}}, but I am not at all sure that I have it right:

• code in article: (Pron: "Mickey" {{ipa|/mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/}})
• what it looks like to readers: (Pron: "Mickey" /mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/)

Can someone help me out? Thanks so much! –CaroleHenson (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That looks a little contradictory to me. The English pronunciation of "Mickey" is /mɪkɪ/, without a /tʃ/ sound. Where is the source on the pronunciation of "Michie Tavern"? I don't think "tavern" needs to be transcribed in IPA, it is a common enough word in English. --bonadea contributions talk 19:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

What do you do at the treehouse?

 Rocky the conure (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rocky the conure: Experienced editors answer questions new editors may have about using or editing Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello; I rewrite my references got inspired from other Iranian’s pages and now I think it’s reliable enough as I use news sites. Can you please re-review it and accept it if possible. I’ll thank you forever🙏🏽. Atena ak2 (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)