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Namibia Genocide
Blurb: The German government officially recognizes the colonial-era Herero and Namaqua genocide, and offers financial reparations to the survivors. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Washington Post, DW
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Created by Jodes534 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MassiveEartha (talk · give credit) and Lugnuts (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: It's a lengthy article, but for such a long article it's actually fairly close to ITN quality. Hopefully this nomination and today's events will bring eyes to the article to get it fixed up. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Conditonal support The update needs to be much longer than the 1 line addition to the lead that isn't even expanded in the main text. Someone with knowledge about the genocide would also need to give the okay that the information is correct, as it mostly relies on book references so I can't fact-check the information. I think this can be differentiated from Joe Biden recognising the Armenian Genocide from a month ago, which didn't get posted, as Germany was at least involved in the region (German Empire -> Weimar Republic -> Federal Republic of Germany (Today)), and because there's a €1.1 billion reparation so it's not just politicians talking. Uses x (talk • contribs) 16:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
May 27
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RD: Kees de Jager
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Algemeen Dagblad (in Dutch)
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Dutch astronomer, recently turned 100. Some citation work needed, which I will get on to today, but broadly looks OK. — Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I've added sources and reworked the article for a bit, it looks good now --Vacant0 (talk) 11:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Foster Friess
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Buckrail
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent donor to the Republican Party in the US. Looks like a comprehensive and well-cited article already, so probably not much work needed on this one. — Amakuru (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – refs 7–14 are bare links. Also, refs 5, 6, and 35 are sourced to his personal website without qualifying the info in the prose (contrast with ref 8). —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: I've replaced or filled in the bare URLs, and also either provided better sources, clarified or removed some stuff cited to his personal site. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support – corrected one minor chronological inaccuracy as to his cancer diagnosis, but other than that, it looks like it meets the minimum requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks alright! --Vacant0 (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Carla Fracci
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Corachow (talk · give credit), Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the leading ballerinas of the 20th century. There was some article, especially a gorgeous image, and since yesterday, we have worked on it. I just ran into an edit conflict so have time to nominate. More detail will come I bet, and please help. Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! --Vacant0 (talk) 11:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Harvey Schlossberg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 27); died on May 21. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support more than good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support well-cited --Vacant0 (talk) 11:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Llew Smith
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by PotentPotables (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Wales MP, already expanded significantly by me in April 2020. PotentPotables (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks fully sourced and ready.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Only one unsourced sentence, which I just added citations for. Looks good otherwise. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 22:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
May 26
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RD: Kay Lahusen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Lesbian activist and photographer. Needs a few refs which obits should supply, will work on this today. Innisfree987 (talk) 12:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) San Jose shooting
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead, including the perpetrator.
Alternative blurb II: In the United States, a mass shooting at a rail yard in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters, USA Today, WaPo
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Created by Kellis7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Love of Corey (talk · give credit), Moncrief (talk · give credit), Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit), 50.68.32.10 (talk · give credit) and Mxn (talk · give credit)
- Oppose There's nothing particularly notable in this one. A man with anger issues hates his job so he goes all Falling Down. It also got much less media attention than these attacks usually do. Uses x (talk • contribs) 02:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose in principle — another one? osunpokeh (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose As has been determined to be a workplace-related shooting and nothing related to terrorism, it falls into the usual violence in the US --Masem (t) 05:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose It's really sad to have to say this, but mid size shootings like this in US are no longer notable or sufficiently unique, IMO, unless there's some special angle, and from what I can tell, here there is not. Melmann 07:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Just another routine shooting in the United States. I suggest immediate closure per WP:SNOW before this turns into another pointless and time-consuming discussion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Bay Area has a population of 7.75 million, larger than many nations, and yet has never had a shooting of this scale until two days ago. This is certainly not "routine". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- An area of 7.75 million is not bigger than most countries. Claiming to be the biggest in an area (without even saying it's the biggest ever in the state) does not make it ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Read again: I said many, not most (although it's close either way). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is 'routine' because it took place in a country with extremely poor public safety, comparable to countries that are currently in war, with hundreds of similar incidents per year. You can always find something to claim it's deadliest (e.g. deadliest in a city, deadliest in an area, deadliest in a neighbourhood populated by an ethnic group, deadliest on a Wednesday, deadliest during a weekend, deadliest using a handgun etc.) but that's implausible when you see the big picture, that is, shootings are all over the United States on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- If a warzone underwent a record death toll, I, for one, would support the nomination. "Deaths" is not as obscure or trivial of a metric as you are making it seem for a mass shooting. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is 'routine' because it took place in a country with extremely poor public safety, comparable to countries that are currently in war, with hundreds of similar incidents per year. You can always find something to claim it's deadliest (e.g. deadliest in a city, deadliest in an area, deadliest in a neighbourhood populated by an ethnic group, deadliest on a Wednesday, deadliest during a weekend, deadliest using a handgun etc.) but that's implausible when you see the big picture, that is, shootings are all over the United States on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Read again: I said many, not most (although it's close either way). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- An area of 7.75 million is not bigger than most countries. Claiming to be the biggest in an area (without even saying it's the biggest ever in the state) does not make it ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Bay Area has a population of 7.75 million, larger than many nations, and yet has never had a shooting of this scale until two days ago. This is certainly not "routine". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a mass shooting in the US? These only happen a few hundred times a year. Like half the US shooting articles, I fail to see how it's even notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Take it to AFD, then, if it's truly non-notable, and do this encyclopedia a service. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept. Which is the wrong outcome, but the one that would occur, because Wikipedia suffers from massive recentism issues. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- "When I like the result, it's consensus. When I don't, it's American bias." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nope, that's my opinion of many articles about recent events. It just happens that American shootings seem to be the ones coming up on ITNC all the time. I never mentioned American bias, I mentioned a problem with recentism. Go check how many non-US ITN items I've opposed before claiming that I just scream "American bias". Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The first sentence of your comment was "The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept", not "The AFD will be populated with loads of recentists and kept." The comment implies that someone's nationality would compel them to support inclusion of every article about things happening in their country, and that it would be impossible for them to a fair arbiter of notability or non-notability (read: bias). I don't care if you also happen to feel strongly about Malagasy bias or Icelandic bias or Antarctican bias or what have you, and I didn't say anywhere that opposing stuff in the USA was a recurring thing for you (I'm really not that inclined to check one way or the other). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nope, that's my opinion of many articles about recent events. It just happens that American shootings seem to be the ones coming up on ITNC all the time. I never mentioned American bias, I mentioned a problem with recentism. Go check how many non-US ITN items I've opposed before claiming that I just scream "American bias". Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- "When I like the result, it's consensus. When I don't, it's American bias." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept. Which is the wrong outcome, but the one that would occur, because Wikipedia suffers from massive recentism issues. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Take it to AFD, then, if it's truly non-notable, and do this encyclopedia a service. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose: domestic violence. Also Oppose the nominator bludgeoning the discussion. ——Serial 08:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Where did you get the notion this was an act of domestic violence? It very much is not. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Obvious oppose completely routine mass shooting, nothing of any note, nothing will change etc etc. According to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021, this is just the 178th mass shooting of this year. It's not encyclopedically newsworthy in the slightest. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mufti Abdul Razzaq
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Free Press Journal
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated. Subject was a notable scholar, Mufti and an activist of Indian freedom struggle. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment / oppose for now. The subject is being lauded as a freedom fighter for India, yet there is no coverage of this in the article. The narrative doesn't really begin until 1952. — Amakuru (talk) 12:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Amakuru, addressed with a related fact. I'd surely update it further whenever I've access to more information ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Owais Talk 15:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Eric Carle
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by P64 (talk · give credit), Eddie891 (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American designer and children's book writer, author of The Very Hungry Caterpillar, dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD, maybe blurb I am open to a blurb for him, a major author -TenorTwelve (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality I would 100% support a blurb seeing how his book became the best selling children's book of all time. However, the article is in bad shape and needs to be beefed up with sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Please consider holding off on the blurb debate until the quality is addressed. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Drawing attention: If someone has existing newspapers.com access through the Wikipedia library it'd be helpful for citing his early life. I'm hitting a paywall. Uses x (talk • contribs) 00:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- working on cites... will work thru more tomorrow. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Selected works might need to be renamed. Judging by the pace of output and timeframe, this might well be an exhaustive list (thus strike "Selected"). They're all books published in the US (save the doodle) so a search through Library of Congress should give both ISBNs and reveal whether anything is missing. If the list in indeed "selected" then there needs to be clear criteria for selection or else tagged with {{list missing criteria}}.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Many people have heard of and read this book, but that doesn't make its author automatically transformative. — Amakuru (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- RD only – Per Amakuru. A charming kids' book, but at most a literary footnote. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD, maybe blurb Major author who died at a very old age; I think the general consensus is that he 100% needs an RD nomination, but the blurb is optional. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD only Looks like the article is now of a sufficient quality to post to RD.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD It's now fully cited and it's long enough for RD, but not blurb-quality. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)″
Support he was a very influential author, also wrote "Brown Bear, Brown Bear, what do you see?"
- RD only He was influential but not enough for a blurb. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 22:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Still a few unsourced claims. Stephen 01:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Should be all resolved now unless I've missed anything Eddie891 Talk Work 02:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Appears on virtually every list of the most read children's authors, most of whom are long dead. We posted Sendak, and would have posted Seuss, Lewis, Alcott. This is the peer group. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb whilst The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a household name, Eric Carle is not. Until seeing this RD nom, I didn't know the author's name. His name is much less well known than other people who have been refused blurbs for their deaths here previously. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's specious reasoning. He is extremely prominent in his field, so if you don't know who he is, that means you have very little knowledge of that field. So how can you weigh his relative importance? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I know exactly who Sendak, Lewis, Seuss and Alcott are, without having to be told their most famous work(s). That simply isn't the case for Carle. Just because lots of people know the book, that doesn't mean they know the author. Which is why I'm disputing the fact that his death is notable enough for a blurb, which is something we reserve for extremely rare cases for super-important people. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's specious reasoning. He is extremely prominent in his field, so if you don't know who he is, that means you have very little knowledge of that field. So how can you weigh his relative importance? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: H. S. Doreswamy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian civil rights activist. News just breaking. Article is almost ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks ok, I can't see any referencing problems.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Milieudefensie et al v Royal Dutch Shell
Blurb: In a landmark case, the district court of The Hague has ordered Royal Dutch Shell to cut its global carbon emissions by 45% by the end of 2030. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Wall Street Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by Fentener van Vlissingen (talk · give credit)
- Comment: This is the first time a big oil company is ordered by a court to cut its carbon emissions. The Guardian calls it a landmark ruling and the Wall Street Journal argues it could set a precedent for other jurisdictions. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comments This does seem like a case that could set a major precedent, and I'm seeing coverage in plenty of major outlets (Bloomberg, NPR, CNN, etc.), but it's also a three-sentence article. I understand nominating things at ITN/C to help get the article developed, but this one needs a lot of development; based on importance, I would be inclined to support based on what I've seen of the story if the article is greatly expanded.. Also, I would take "compared to 2019 levels" out of the blurb; I get that it's theoretically notable, but IMO, not enough to take up space on the main page. -- Kicking222 (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have expanded it to the point that it would be minimum size for main page. --Masem (t) 18:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you very much, Masem! And I agree with you, Kicking222, to leave "compared to 2019 levels" out of the blurb. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose It's great news and thanks to Masem it has enough information, but Royal Dutch Shell have said they're likely to appeal the decision, so ultimately it's a district court ordering something which might end up just being overturned. [Irish Independent] Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The court declared the verdict immediately enforceable. Shell must uphold the verdict until the verdict is overturned. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 19:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not familiar with Dutch law but doesn't every civil law system have a mechanism that allows the appeals court to suspend immediate enforcement until the appeal is decided? Regards SoWhy 20:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- We also generally post on the conviction of a major trial even though we know that appeals are usually 100% assured. --Masem (t) 20:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The court declared the verdict immediately enforceable. Shell must uphold the verdict until the verdict is overturned. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 19:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is up to date, sufficiently detailed and referenced (though a bit short), and the story is in reliable news sources now. Since the story is in the news now, it is most appropriate to post it now. What may or may not happen at future times regarding appeals and overturning is irrelevant as news sources are covering the verdict now. --Jayron32 19:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. I am pretty sure that this will be overturned on appeal but it is being reported on in a lot of media, including here in Germany, making it ITN worthy. I did tag one statement as needing a secondary source though. Regards SoWhy 20:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Provided the secondary source--a German secondary source even :-). Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. The article is in good quality, and it's an interesting precedent which has received plenty of coverage. Of course, this case will drag on for years, but that's a different story. KittenKlub (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support this is an encyclopedic article, not a trash overhyped piece of pulp. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose misleading. The claim "contributing about 1% to global emissions" is cited to the Guardian which itself cites nothing but "court claims". Here is an actual fact: Shell is the 9th largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions when you factor in Scope 3 greenhouse gas emissions which factors in other parties burning oil produced by shell. That's right. [1] KLM burning oil? That's counted against shell. Dutch energy burning oil? That's counted against shell. Climate change is real, it is a serious threat to human health and food security, but this lawsuit is bullshit and the target article is propaganda. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- As the article notes, this decide applies to all of Shell's buyers and suppliers too, so absolutely not BS. --Masem (t) 22:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Interesting article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support As someone who has recently published two peer-reviewed manuscripts on topics from energy economics, I consider this verdict of strategic significance in relation to efficient energy consumption. This doesn't set merely a precedent that may be followed by other judiciaries but it impacts the way energy consumption will be optimised in the future.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support an important case, not least because it includes all of their suppliers in this. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 09:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose post-posting: I understand the political significance highlighted by the support votes above. However, there is virtually no legal significance to this at all. As Judiciary of the Netherlands explains, this is a first-instance decision which is already under appeal. Given the issues and money involved, it's almost certain to end up in the Supreme Court of the Netherlands and probably also the European Court of Human Rights. It'll be literally years before we can tell whether this is genuinely significant. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that the same Dutch judicial system upheld similar action taken against the country's gov't in State of the Netherlands v. Urgenda Foundation a few years back to undertake actions to meet climate change goals, so there's a strong chance it will survive a challenge. I would agree that if this was a case originating out of a US federal district court, where there was little higher level action at SCOTUS, it probably would not have had similar news-shattering events. --Masem (t) 13:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- All that may be true, but it is also irrelevant. It is in the news now, which is why we post it now. Everyone has reasons why they find a story significant or important to themselves, but we rely on reliable sources at Wikipedia, not personal feelings or preferences. Sources are covering this story now, and it doesn't really matter what the story is, just that reliable sources are treating it as a big deal, which is why it is appropriate to post. --Jayron32 13:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Post-post support Not every blurb is limited to eradicating cancer ... or completely solving global warming. Quality new page that's prominently in the news works for me (not to be confused with a WP:NOTDIARY update of a celebrity).—Bagumba (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- PP Comment – The complexity of this issue, and its possible transitoriness, make it quite dubious as a blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. I suspect it's nowhere near as significant as this discussion seems to think it is, but hey ho... — Amakuru (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's life in the big city. (But hey, I learned that transitoriness is actually a word.) – Sca (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Another comment - why is there a picture of Shell's headquarters attached to this story? I thought images were included to assist readers in understanding a story, but that picture of a building has very little to do with the court ruling or its ramifications. We'd rather just stick with the pic of the Samoan PM-elect, which at least is relevant to its story. — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Is that the royal we? ;-) – Sca (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Swapped. The building is uninvolved.—Bagumba (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
X-Press Pearl
Blurb: The Singaporean container ship X-Press Pearl explodes while anchored in Colombo Port, causing an oil spill in the sea around Sri Lanka. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by 2402:4000:12CA:A2F9:1:0:6B80:7ECE (talk · give credit)
- Comment The article implies that the crew safely evacuated with no deaths, and doesn't say anything about an oil spill. Mlb96 (talk) 06:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As no deaths occured, specific information about the environmental impact is needed before it can be considered. Uses x (talk • contribs) 06:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – More information from more sources needed. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional support once more information comes out This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 14:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose/Wait Article needs to be more developed, per WP:WEIGHT, the article is likely at the wrong title. It should be about the event, something like X-Press Pearl fire, as the article isn't about the ship, it is about the fire onboard the ship. If you want the article to be about the ship, you'll need a LOT more information about the ship before the fire. I'm not entirely sure we need an article about this ship, and since this fire is all we really care about, it should probably be moved. Furthermore, the article itself needs some expansion before it is main page ready. --Jayron32 20:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Based on the lead and the page title, it seems like the page is about the ship itself, but it's dominated by the fire. It the ship is notable, more background text is needed. If it's the fire, name it as such, so it's notability can be judged against Wikipedia:Notability (events).—Bagumba (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Samuel E. Wright
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Aged 74. Voiced Sebastian the crab in The Little Mermaid. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Needs some work - it's currently orange tagged, and sparse in coverage. — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Cyclone Yaas
Blurb: Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha and West Bengal in East India, forcing the evacuation of more than a million people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha and West Bengal in Eastern India, directly affecting more than ten million people.
Alternative blurb II: Cyclone Yaas causes storm surge of 2 m (6.6 ft) above astronomical tide level and breach embankments leading to flood in villages and towns in Purba Medinipur and South 24 Parganas district of West Bengal.
News source(s): The Guardian, IMD, Hindustan Times, Free Press Journal, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by ArnabSaha (talk · give credit)
- Created by VNC200 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by HurricaneParrot (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 11:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait While it has caused a large number of evacuations, if there are minimal deaths, this likely will not be appropriate to post for ITN. --Masem (t) 12:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Around 10 deaths (7 before and 3 today, as of now). And coastal villages and towns flooded. (Aljazeera) Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 13:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that number of deaths won't make it, but it is this time of year that storms will threaten several parts of the world and will do damage, but we simply don't have room to post all landfall-making, damage-dealing storms with few-to-no death counts, even if it causes temporary displace of millions of people. I'm only saying wait here because the landfall was this morning so full impact is not yet known. --Masem (t) 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand that everything can't be included in the ITN. But, the degree of damage is very high, as the areas got flooded (it didn't even happen during the Super cyclone last year) due to high tide at the time of landfall. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 14:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very high impact, potential/likely further impact, number of deaths already. Article is decent. Melmann 13:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I did my best to find all the reported deaths from Yaas and I got 7. When did you get the three more, @ArnabSaha:? You are welcome to edit the article to reflect the latest informations about the impact of Yaas. I'm currently on my wikibreak, but I'll do my best to update the article. Thanks and stay safe, 🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @HurricaneParrot: 2 more deaths in Odisha [3] Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 14:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Wait– storm surge looks bad but death toll is relatively low at this time. Will revisit in ~12h and see if the death toll jumps after sunrise. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)- Moving to oppose. Death toll hasn't risen since yesterday, evacuations, mangroves, and numerous rescue operations by emergency services seem to have done their bit. Coverage by news outlets outside of India is fading quickly. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – We need to wait until more death/damage reports come in and things stabilise in India a little bit.Jason Rees (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is excellent and while it might be nice to wait for damage reports, the reality is that it's in the news now, not so much later. Only thing that might be nice is a current fatality/injury count in the sidebar, but it's ultimately trivial given the article quality. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not enough deaths... appears to be an average storm thus far. NoahTalk 19:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Wait – We need to know the full scale of impact first, it isn't enough right now for ITN. codingcyclone advisories/damages 20:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per KN2731. Nothing much has changed overnight, I don't think much more impact will come from this storm... codingcyclone advisories/damages 19:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Come on, evacuations aren't going to be enough to make this storm notable. --WaltCip-(talk) 20:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Alt blurb II is just pure trivia. More fitting for DYK than ITN. --WaltCip-(talk) 20:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait pending the article being updated with impact information. --Jayron32 20:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral Yaas is notable enough for many ways: it triggered a mass evacuation in Odisha and West Bengal in India and Bangladesh. Second, it caused a wide swath of destruction, as seen in media reports, an example is flooding. Third, it already caused 9 deaths and the reason the fatalities were low is due to the immediate action of the authorities from Yaas; the evacuations. But we have to wait a little for more impacts about Yaas, as the system is still active and the reports of impacts are not that fast to transmit to different media services, newspapers and articles. 🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 09:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @HurricaneParrot: Btw, another tornado outbreak in Ashoknagar Kalyangarh [4] Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 09:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ArnabSaha:, Okay, added. Is there any more? 🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 02:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @HurricaneParrot: no... Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ArnabSaha:, Okay, added. Is there any more? 🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 02:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @HurricaneParrot: Btw, another tornado outbreak in Ashoknagar Kalyangarh [4] Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 09:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment blurb should probably be updated, as it's now affected places in India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh- possibly change the places to Indian subcontinent, or list the countries? Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – Per Masem, Jayron, Walt. Australian AP says six fatalities "reported." This, in a country of 1.4 billion, seems of questionable import. Developing. – Sca (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Nothing exceptional about this, the seasonal monsoon is more notable. Given India's massive population and the population density of Bangladesh, evacuations of more than a million people in this region are normal. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Cyclonebiskit. ~~ 🌀𝚂𝙲𝚂 𝙲𝙾𝚁𝙾𝙽𝙰🌀 17:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Eilat Mazar
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz; The Times of Israel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be sufficiently referenced and updated.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: John Warner
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: U.S. Senator from Virginia (1979–2009). There are a few things which need proper citation, but generally looks decent. rawmustard (talk) 12:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are little to no citations for the Early life and education and Secretary of the Navy section. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ben Kruger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jacaranda FM
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: South African actor, died of COVID-19. Needs a bit of work and sourcing I would guess. Will work on it today. — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Good work updating, there are just some 2006/07 awards mentioned in the career section that aren't cited, will Support when fixed. JW 1961 Talk 21:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Joseywales1961: it turns out the awards in question weren't wins, they were just nominations so I've updated that (and hived them off into their own sub-section). I've also added a bit more detail in what remains of the Career prose. Let me know if anything else needs doing. — Amakuru (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Thanks - that looks fine for RD now JW 1961 Talk 22:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 09:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Joseywales1961: it turns out the awards in question weren't wins, they were just nominations so I've updated that (and hived them off into their own sub-section). I've also added a bit more detail in what remains of the Career prose. Let me know if anything else needs doing. — Amakuru (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tarcisio Burgnich
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Malta Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian footballer. Looks in OK condition already to me. — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support All looks to be cited.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Anthony Lazzaro (university administrator)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; University of Southern California
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (May 25); died on May 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Excellent article, fully cited and comprehensive. Uses x (talk • contribs) 07:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Overall it looks alright, the references only have to get fixed --Vacant0 (talk) 11:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
OpposeOne-sentence lead is too short for bio with so much material.—Bagumba (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)- @Bagumba: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: OK. Also see comment below about the refs.—Bagumba (talk) 00:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Strike my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 03:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I noticed 7 of 16 refs are bare URLs. I tried to fix this, but then I realize that Ref.#6 is about the removal of a bust on campus, but the sentence where the footnote is found is about the installation of a globe on campus. Something is not right ... --PFHLai (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. WP:ITNCRIT advises:
References should be correctly formatted and not bare URLs.
—Bagumba (talk) 00:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. WP:ITNCRIT advises:
- @Bagumba and PFHLai: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Amakuru and PFHLai: ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted.—Bagumba (talk) 08:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mark York
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent NME
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Spy-cicle (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Actor Mark York also known as Marcus A. York, known for his role on the US The Office. Article was recently created since one did not exist before but coverage generated from his death have made him notable enough for a standalone article. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 15:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have a concern that of the sources present in the article only one predates his death (the People source). Otherwise, we're looking at a BLP1E issue here which is a problem both from a notability standpoint and RD posting. I'd recommend trying to find a few more sources pre-dating the death to show he was notable before this point. --Masem (t) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Question: Are people only allowed to become notable if there is writing about them before they die? How do you square that with the existence of articles like Vincent van Gogh where, most certainly, there is not enough source text about his life written before he died. Why are reliable sources written after a person's death not suitable for citing in an article? --Jayron32 15:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously for people that lived well before the existence of mass media, there's different standards (and of course, people have written at length about Van Gogh well after his death). But for an actor who's career was 100% within the realm of widespread Internet coverage, to have almost no coverage until their death indicates that they were more a minor actor, only getting attention due to death of the actor of a character from a popular show. I'd love to be proven wrong in terms of more sources that existed while the Office was being filmed, for example, but if we're just building an article off obits, even semi-lengthy ones, that's a general BLP1e issue. --Masem (t) 16:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm curious as to why you are invoking WP:BLP1E here; surely his various acting roles count as multiple events for which he is notable. Also, where can I read about this Wikipedia policy or guideline that says for people who died after the internet existed, we're not allowed to use sources written after their death. I would like to make sure I am following this from now on... --Jayron32 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- The 1E is his death here. Acting in small roles are not significant events if they drew no coverage at the time of their broadcast and only attention at the point of death - otherwise any credited actor in any work would be immediately notable and that's not something our notability guidelines allow. --Masem (t) 17:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- But he's not notable for dying. He's notable for acting. The 1E is not his death. Furthermore, you still haven't told me where I can read about this rule that sources published after a persons death during the internet age can't be used. I would really like to read this. --Jayron32 20:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think WP:BASIC or WP:ENT would be more appropriate, but the result is the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- The 1E is his death here. Acting in small roles are not significant events if they drew no coverage at the time of their broadcast and only attention at the point of death - otherwise any credited actor in any work would be immediately notable and that's not something our notability guidelines allow. --Masem (t) 17:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm curious as to why you are invoking WP:BLP1E here; surely his various acting roles count as multiple events for which he is notable. Also, where can I read about this Wikipedia policy or guideline that says for people who died after the internet existed, we're not allowed to use sources written after their death. I would like to make sure I am following this from now on... --Jayron32 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Obviously for people that lived well before the existence of mass media, there's different standards (and of course, people have written at length about Van Gogh well after his death). But for an actor who's career was 100% within the realm of widespread Internet coverage, to have almost no coverage until their death indicates that they were more a minor actor, only getting attention due to death of the actor of a character from a popular show. I'd love to be proven wrong in terms of more sources that existed while the Office was being filmed, for example, but if we're just building an article off obits, even semi-lengthy ones, that's a general BLP1e issue. --Masem (t) 16:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for comment, in digging around only managed to find one other RS besides the People magazine one, [5], I'll have a look to see if I can find anything in local newspapers though. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Question: Are people only allowed to become notable if there is writing about them before they die? How do you square that with the existence of articles like Vincent van Gogh where, most certainly, there is not enough source text about his life written before he died. Why are reliable sources written after a person's death not suitable for citing in an article? --Jayron32 15:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment www
.google .com /search?q=%22Mark+York%22+before%3A2021 - can't find anything. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC) - @Masem: I managed to find these 3 clippings in local papers [6][7][8]. These 3 + the other 2 previously mentioned, what are your thoughts? Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Local sources would be fine, not best, but better than nothing. --Masem (t) 17:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I can't find anything with a DuckDuckGo search either. Site note: all the news sites are just re-writing his obituary in their own words, so they should be treated as primary sources. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- For searches, the subject also was known as Marcus A. York or Mark A. York (was torn which article title to put as mostly credited as Marcus A. York but obituaries only went with "Mark York" so chose the latter) His IMdb for example is under that name [9]. Pre 2021 I have found two articles [10][11] Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think people don’t realize that even internet-age newspaper articles will not always appear in a Google search. There’s a whole other world of material available in newspaper databases that you can access via libraries. I found one Dayton newspaper article about him from as far back as 2003. Zagalejo (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Blatant plug time: Any registered Wiki editor can apply for a |Wikipedia Library Card, and besides immediate access to other sources, you can then apply to get access via your Wikimedia account to newspapers.com. It is not full 100% access there (you can search but you can't necessarily read all but you can at least search and see a clip image (sufficient to see the ones that Spy-cicle pointed out). --Masem (t) 14:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: I managed to find these 3 clippings in local papers [6][7][8]. These 3 + the other 2 previously mentioned, what are your thoughts? Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Now at AfD, so ineligible until that is resolved. P-K3 (talk) 01:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The AfD was marked as speedily keep. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I've withdrawn the AFD due to the additions of the newspapers expanding his advocacy work. The article is now fully cited, and has a good amount of information. Non-primary sources would be preferable for his personal life, but there's absolutely no reason to doubt that info. Uses x (talk • contribs) 09:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Even without the recent additions, I think this would have been fine. Decent coverage before death and a broad, if short, set of credits. A well composed BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose York has not "received significant coverage in multiple published" sources (WP:BASIC), nor has he "had significant roles in multiple notable" works (WP:ENT). I know some like to ignore the word "significant" to force through these borderline cases, but I believe it's there for a reason. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @GreatCaesarsGhost: The AfD was speedy kept.—Bagumba (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- It was withdrawn with modest comments. That doesn't mean anything. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @GreatCaesarsGhost: The AfD was speedy kept.—Bagumba (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. It's quite short, but has enough I think for ITN. Marking as ready. — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Malaysia train collision
Blurb: Rail accident happened in Malaysia involving 2 Bombardier Innovia Metro train (Post)
News source(s): ChannelNewsAsia, The Sun Daily
Credits:
- Nominated by 2001:f40:904:6b22:7894:d6c4:f29c:fdfa (talk · give credit)
- Comment – Largely absent from English-language RS sites. No word on casualties. (Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael.) – Sca (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Sca: What does the last part of your sentence mean? (the one with the <small> tag? I'm not nominating this. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake! – Sca (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I hope this mistake isn't an indication of something else.... :) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake! – Sca (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've added the nominator. (Diff of addition). Uses x (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now: Article is currently a stub and the chronology section needs expansion. Might change my vote if the article is improved. ColinBear (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on significance given the (fortuntately) lack of deaths, especially considering the other fatal incidents we have posted currently. And oppose on quality of the article right now - empty section, and large chunks unreferenced. -- KTC (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality; the article is lacking citations, among other quality issues. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose background section is unsourced, and chronology section is empty. The current article gives almost no details on the incident itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
May 24
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RD: Stuart Ross Taylor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ANU
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- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Count Iblis (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support except for the death is sourced to Twitter, the tweet doesn't explicitly state that he has died, our article doesn't say that he has died, and the article is three sentences long. Looks good otherwise. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- So everything? Uses x (talk • contribs) 08:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not yet ready Please expand this stubby bio. It does not mention the subject's recent death yet. --PFHLai (talk) 02:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Little amount of text, his death isn't even mentioned. It'll have to get expanded for an RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Rated stub class, needs expansion JW 1961 Talk 21:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Mali coup d'état
Blurb: The Malian army arrests the president, prime minister and the defence minister after a government personnel reshuffle. (Post)
News source(s): Onet.pl from PAP & Reuters, The Guardian, France24, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Africanedits (talk · give credit) and Patar knight (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Mali is no stranger to political unrest but the army arresting 3 most politically important people is world news even when in the most turbulent of states. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Abcmaxx, is there an article to consider? There needs to be an updated article to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Can be viewed as Act 2 of the 2020 Malian coup d'état. No, the article have not been updated with the new developments. -- KTC (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Once the article is updated.Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- What article? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support another one? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Update created article quickly just now at 2021 Mali coup d'état. Rapidly developing news so I expect we will know much more very soon. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support once it grows beyond the current three sentences. Guettarda (talk) 02:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, which is what the previous support votes should be taken to mean as well. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Article is only a stub right now,but will be expanded in a few hours. So,from what I understand,the military ousted the same guy they installed a few months earlier? Does that still count as a coup? Scaramouche33 (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
OpposeToo short. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)- Now expanded. Hanamanteo (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Update Article now expanded, lots of good sources Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – The situation seems somewhat fluid. Wait a bit for possible developments? – Sca (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Sca: given the political and journalistic climate in Mali and its difficulties the situation is likely never to be any less fluid Abcmaxx (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- That would seem to imply that coups of this sort are not unusual in Mali. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support on notability and quality. The article is in better shape now, and the subsections are about as long as their counterparts on the 2020 Malian coup d'état article; all that's lacking is an aftermath section, and it's obviously too early to expect one. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now --Vacant0 (talk) 11:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Constitutional Crisis in Samoa
Blurb: After the Supreme Court of Samoa declares Naomi Mataʻafa the prime minister following a close election, previous prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi locks her and her party out of parliament and refuses to concede power, sparking a constitutional crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Following the Supreme Court's decision to declare Naomi Mataʻafa as prime minister, former prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi refuses to concede power and locks the FAST Party out of parliament, sparking a constitutional crisis
Alternative blurb II: Former Samoan prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi refuses to concede power to Naomi Mataʻafa and the FAST Party, creating a constitutional crisis
Alternative blurb III: A makeshift ceremony is held to swear in Naomi Mataʻafa as Prime Minister of Samoa after former PM Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi locks her and her party out of parliament.
News source(s): NPR, BBC, CNN, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Created by IdiotSavant (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: An update to a blurb that's rolled off, the former Prime Minister of Samoa has refused to hand over power. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is also an article for the 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis. Joofjoof (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt1 added it because the first blurb is a bit all over the place. Changed article to 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Premature. Let's wait 'til the results of this imbroglio are known. – Sca (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait - I considered nominating this, but decided that Mataʻafa being sworn in outside parliament by itself isn't quite enough, especially since we only a few days ago posted the election result. If more develops, then will probably support. Basically waiting to see whose orders are being followed in the coming days -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Had this not fallen off so quickly, I'd say update it for sure and bump it back up to the top. Since it's not on, I support waiting at least 24 hours. If after 24 hours, there's a resolution, then we post it. If not, I think ongoing would probably be better and then post a full blurb whenever there's a resolution to this. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt1 - it's significant, consequential, and adds geographic breadth. Guettarda (talk) 02:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This is news now, no need to wait. If there's a resolution then it stands as a completed story, while if there isn't, it can roll down into Ongoing in due course. I don't see a valid reason to wait, and as noted this would have probably been "bumped" had the announcement of the election still been on the carousel. The article looks in OK shape for posting at this point, although some expansion and reorganisation in due course would be useful. — Amakuru (talk) 09:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support ALT III A budding crisis in the news. The Supreme Court doesn't declare a PM per se—they allowed her party to form a government—so the first and ALT blurb are out.—Bagumba (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Is anyone creative enough to work in that she's the first female PM?—Bagumba (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Prior to the cancelling of the swearing in ceremony, I'd have considered it political grandstanding, but it is quite something to obstruct a swearing in ceremony ordered by the country's supreme court. I think that elevates to it being relevant and notable for ITA. I also support reworking the blurb to mention that the incoming prime minister is the first woman to be elected to the role. Melmann 14:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Notable, comprehensive, well referenced. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt3 as it's more concise. The event is in international news, and it's a notable event. The article is also good. I've added the significant contributor to the main article as a creator. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support ALTIII per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt3 per Uses x Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, major event, worthy of reposting. Nixinova T C 01:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I tweaked the posted blurb from "former PM" to "caretaker PM", as he was not former at the time, and it avoids WP taking a stance on current PM status.—Bagumba (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Blurb corrected I removed mention of the "former" PM in the lock out, as technically the clerk kept the doors locked per the Speaker of the House, who was following the Head of State. The former PM is not directly linked. Discuss if he should be integrated back into the blurb somehow, or if mention of first female PM should be added.—Bagumba (talk) 13:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Soon to be a major motion picture. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- It would be best to carry on discussions of errors in the blurb at WP:ERRORS, the venue designed to discuss errors. They tend to get handled faster there. --Jayron32 20:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jayron32: The error was already fixed. The question I posed was whether the blurb needed expansion after its shortening, which is not an error, per se. But sure, there might be less eyes here for a topic already posted. Its a gray area where it belongs.—Bagumba (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- It would be best to carry on discussions of errors in the blurb at WP:ERRORS, the venue designed to discuss errors. They tend to get handled faster there. --Jayron32 20:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Soon to be a major motion picture. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Max Mosley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: President of the FIA and son of Oswald Mosley The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support as it's a Good article. rawmustard (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support as per rawmustard. -BSMIsEditing (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Unsourced section Max Mosley#Ancestry. The section is collapsed, which begs the question per MOS:COLLAPSE of why is it even there if its trivial enough to hide.—Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: I've added a source to it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I am not too worried by the Ancestry part of the article as that's fairly-clearly sourced in Family and early life section. Govvy (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good --Vacant0 (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. -- Kicking222 (talk) 20:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) COVID-19 pandemic in India
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Blurb: Deaths in India due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000. (Post)
Alternative blurb: India becomes the third country to cross 300,000 deaths due to COVID-19.
Alternative blurb II: 100,000 fatalities due to COVID-19 in India in the past 26 days takes India past 300,000 COVID-19 deaths in total.
Alternative blurb III: Amidst a fall in new daily COVID-19 cases, India's death toll due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000.
News source(s): TOI, BBC, France24, Al Jazeera, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)
- Created by Varmapak (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ViperSnake151 (talk · give credit), Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk · give credit), Mayankj429 (talk · give credit), Loveindia23 (talk · give credit) and TheRichardPinto (talk · give credit)
- Oppose posting the third country to cross an arbitrary figure; it's no longer significant if that's the case. Given India's large population it's also less signficant than in other countries as it's a smaller percentage. Furthermore, such figures are very inaccurate as many deaths due to covid are likely unidentified. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the pandemic is on ongoing, and developments in individual countries aren't ITN worthy. Especially when they're not the first country to do it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose If, and I mean if, they surpass the United States in total COVID cases, THEN we can start talking about putting it as a blurb. Right now though? Not so much... Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Arbitrary figure. It's a big country so it's going to get big numbers. It's already covered in Ongoing, as well. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Charles Boutin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:
- Nominated by Jon698 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mayor of Aberdeen, Maryland, and member of the Maryland House of Delegates Jon698 (talk) 21:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Peru mass shooting
Blurb: At least fourteen people are killed in a mass shooting in San Miguel del Ene by the Militarized Communist Party of Peru. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Up to 18 people were killed; the Militarized Communist Party of Peru is a faction of Shining Path. The attack has taken place just a few weeks before the upcoming general elections in Peru, on 6 June. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support because it's easily important enough & the article is of sufficient quality. Jim Michael (talk) 07:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support article is of sufficient quality, and a terrorist act of such breadth is unusual in Peru, making this notable. NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support highly unusual and notable. Target article is ok. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Rare in the region, and the article is good. Note: someone with more knowledge about the attack than I do should look into whether the category "Violence against LGBT people" is relevant, as I can't find a single thing to support it. Uses x (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pull This article has changed not a whit since it's very first edit/creation, and it's fallen off the news so it apparently never will. It's still a janky disaster stub, which does not even have a section for the attack itself (the tiny bits of information are hidden in Investigation). It's 99% background, narrative and reactions; there is not even a description of the attack. While I don't dispute the notability, nor the unusual aspects, the article is completely uninformative and might as well be moved to a list somewhere.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perfection is not required, and the article, which can always be improved in the ways that you notes, is sufficient for the main page. There's no need to pull it, it appears that what is known about the shooting is in the article (the number dead, who is suspected of undertaking it, and what the current state of the investigation is). Could it be improved regarding sectioning, expansion, and narrative flow? Sure it could. Are these problems insurmountable or so egregious that it shouldn't be on the main page? No. --Jayron32 12:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Ron Hill
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British runner and Europpean champion. The article needs some work. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- More footnotes and refs, please. --PFHLai (talk) 11:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Work on referencing still needed.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Paulo Mendes da Rocha
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo, O Globo, Business Times
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian architect. Arguably one the greatest architects alive (winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize and the Mies van der Rohe Award). Unfortunately, the article is a stub with a lot of work to do. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Stubs aren't okay for the ITN but if this article is improved, I may give a new thought. ─ ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 PGA Championship
Blurb: In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship, making him the oldest player to win a major.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Johnsmith2116 (talk · give credit), Compy90 (talk · give credit) and Applesauceable (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Currently leading by two strokes, very likely at this point that he will win Event has now concluded. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support altblurb upon the addition of final round as prose. The record certainly should not be left out. rawmustard (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
ConditionalSupport Altblurbprose needed in final round. Age record adds significance so put it there.Article looks good now. Jbvann05 23:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)- Comment Rawmustard and Jbvann05 - the final round summary and final leaderboard have been added by the wonderful Compy90 and Applesauceable, respectively. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Interesting to see if inclusion of the "oldest" is considered trivial here as mention of the first Japanese winner in The Masters was.—Bagumba (talk) 08:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Lefty!!! Kingoflettuce (talk) 09:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posting without the age, I find it too trivial for the blurb. Feel free to update the picture at some point. --Tone 09:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support adding age as it is an integral part of the reporting on this story. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose adding age the important thing is what was won, and who won it. People who are interested in him or his age can click his article. Uses x (talk • contribs) 13:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support adding age unlike ethnicity, age is a factor in ability. His age is also in the news as age adds significance to the win. Jbvann05 18:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) SC Magdeburg win EHF European League
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Blurb: The 2020–21 EHF European League
Alternative blurb: SC Magdeburg beat Füchse Berlin 28-22 to win the 2020–21 EHF European League.
News source(s): Eurosport
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Comment Oppose use of "dominated" in first blurb per NPOV. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and SNOW close We're not going to post the winner of the second tier of European handball. Not even the Champions League is ITN/R, and though I personally like handball, I'd almost certainly !vote against that, too. -- Kicking222 (talk) 23:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:SNOW, results of the second tier of a regional handball tourney is not significant even if three German teams come top 3. Jbvann05 00:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Statistical fluke. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Stresa-Mottarone cable car disaster
Blurb: A cable car near Lake Maggiore, Italy, fell after a cable line snapped, killing 14 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Italy, 14 people are killed after a cable car near Lake Maggiore fell after a cable line snapped.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57219737
Credits:
- Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)
- Created by TheEpicGhosty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
KTC (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Significant disaster. 142.117.34.192 (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Two-digit toll is significant indeed. Such incidents are rare in Europe if I'm not mistaken. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The death toll has since risen to 14. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've updated the proposed blurbs (which could probably do with copyediting in any event). -- KTC (talk) 19:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Significant and quite unusual disaster.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sufficiently important accident & the article is easily good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Marked it ready. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Very significant accident. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a simple accident, no (or at most very niche) long-term impact. Banedon (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There are two recent tragic events which I think are quite comparable, this and Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Ready) Gansu ultramarathon disaster. Given there were more deaths in the China incident, I think to post this and not the China one would be a bit Eurocentric; it probably should be both or neither. Adpete (talk) 01:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Article could use some restructuring-- intro shouldn't have extra info that's not present in the body of the article. SpencerT•C 02:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posting, I will modify the blurb a bit, feel free to change. --Tone 09:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment I would modify the blurb to say "In Italy, 14 people die/are killed in a cable car accident near Lake Maggiore." The use of active voice sounds strange when the "actor" is an abstract concept like an accident. Mlb96 (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Ryanair Flight 4978
Blurb: Ryanair Flight 4978 (aircraft involved pictured) is forced to land at Minsk National Airport, Belarus after a false bomb alert. Journalist Raman Pratasevich is arrested by Belarussian authorities. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Belarus, journalist Raman Pratasevich is arrested by Belarussian authorities after Ryanair Flight 4978 (aircraft involved pictured) is forced to land at Minsk National Airport due to a false bomb alert.
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- Created by 力 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Apparent political kidnapping (my words), breach of a host of ICAO rules. Likely to be fallout from this one. Article needs development. This is explicitly not an AIRCRASH nomination, so please do not object on those grounds. It is nominated for the political aspect of the event. Mjroots (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Lying about a bomb on board to force the plane to land, when it was travelling between two EU countries on an Irish airline, to arrest (and possibly in the future execute) an opposition reporter who has asylum in Lithuania. The European Commission and the Irish government are taking steps, so this is becoming an international incident. Alexei Navalny's hunger strike was posted, as a comparison, so I think this meets the significance critera. The article is also fully referenced and has the current information. Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've added an altblurb. Uses x (talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support all kinds of significance on this one, and one of those few times where it's enough to overlook the stubbiness of the article. Keep an eye on that reactions section: Latvia, Poland, and whoever else responds is mostly irrelevant filler. Belarus, Greece, Lithuania and probably the EASA reactions are meaningful. "History" section should be renamed "Flight" or something it's not really a history. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- KTC (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait no more than 3 hours, then support. I expect reactions from Russia and the US in the next hour or so. The article is getting de-stubbed about as quickly as news is coming out. I'm personally just doing meta-work here; formatting, inter-wiki links, etc. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support This is an unusual incident that involves an apparent forced landing of a European plane, and an arrest of a dissident. In addition to this, top EU officeholders, foreign ministers, ICAO, and Reporters Without Borders have commented on it. -- НСНУ (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment image added to WP:CMP. Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Interesting event – similar to what happened on Navalny's return to Russia in January. Article is in OK shape. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Significant event, will for sure lead to even more significant consequences. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support This event is pretty much unprecedented. Strong significance. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comments I've given the credits. I'll leave posting the image to another admin. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- See WP:MPE - image not protected. Krinklebot has stopped working. Mjroots (talk) 20:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comments I've given the credits. I'll leave posting the image to another admin. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Very significant, reminiscent of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702, in some half-way, at least. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Should we update this to reflect the EU sanctions? (barring the Belarus state airline and barring EU airlines from Belarus airspace) 331dot (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Lorrae Desmond
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gold Logie winner and A Country Practice star Lorrae Desmond dead aged 91 – news.com.au, 23 May 2021
Credits:
- Nominated by Ianblair23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian actress and singer whose career spanned from 1945 to 2001 – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Early life, The Lorrae Desmond Show, A Country Practice - Shirley Gilroy, Writing, Filmography, Celebrity appearances, are all uncited. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above --Vacant0 (talk) 11:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please add more refs before this nom can proceed. Thanks --PFHLai (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Eruption of Mount Nyiragongo
Blurb: Mount Nyiragongo–one of the Decade Volcanoes–erupts, forcing the evacuation of Goma, DR Congo. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: While there are no reports of damage or death yet, I believe that the evacuation of a city of two million, along with Nyiragongo's status as a decade volcano, makes this blurbable regardless. That said, we may see casualties shortly. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The article should be 2021 Nyiragongo eruption. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – Developing. – Sca (talk) 12:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Reports are coming in that 15 people have died (Source 1) (Source 2). Maybe change the blurb to: At least 15 in Goma, DR Congo are killed following the eruption of Mount Nyiragongo.--Dora the Axe-plorer (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - The evacuation, casualties & damage make it easily important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 08:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posting, the article has been expanded since its creation. --Tone 09:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment At least 22 deaths are reported. The blurb should be updated. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bob Fulton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manly legend and NRL Immortal Bob Fulton dies aged 73 – Sydney Morning Herald, 23 May 2021
Credits:
- Nominated by Ianblair23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian rugby league player, coach, commentator and immortal – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Two sections with yellow tags and several uncited sentences. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Definitely needs more sources --Vacant0 (talk) 11:06, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- There are many footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more refs to the article. --PFHLai (talk) 23:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) St Johnstone's double
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Alternative blurb: St. Johnstone win Scottish Cup, defeating Hibernian 1–0 with Shaun Rooney scoring the only goal of the game, only three months after winning 2021 Scottish League Cup Final against Livingston F.C. by the same margin and thanks to the same goalscorer. This victory cements the historic 2020–21 season, becoming the only team outside of the Old Firm and Aberdeen to win a cup double ever and by far the smallest team to do so.
News source(s): St Johnstone 1–0 Hibernian - BBC Sport, 22 May 2021
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Kudos Glad to see an alternative blurb coming straight out and admitting it's not ready to reach the Main Page yet! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I have ever seen such majesty presented on ITN/C. Kicking222 (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose No match writeup. No opinion if this non-ITRN item is significant. Perhaps WP:IAR piggyback with an ITNR football item, if one ends up being posted.—Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- All European leagues except those in polar climates are concluding now. This one is the 11th best in Europe, and the competitions named aren't even the main ones in Scotland. If we assume each better league has a championship and a cup, there are 20 stories in football that mean more right now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Strongest possible oppose - The second and third most important competitions in Europe's 11th-best domestic league. That grandiose alt blurb has not been written with the smallest grain of neutrality either. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- no Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - good faith nomination, interesting item for football fans, but not of sufficient importance to justify an ITN listing. Article quality is also lacking, but this could be a suitable DYK. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator comment some of these opposes are unfairly harsh. Perth has a population of 80,000 and SJ's attendances are around the 3000 mark. Considering Celtic and Rangers regularly pull in 60000 on even obscure cup games and have won almost everything; the other teams that even challenged their dominance are from large cities (Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh); this double win is a remarkable achievement, more so than when Leicester won the English Premier League. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose better suited for DYK. Interesting, but they didn't even win the league, or even get within 50 points of winning the league. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 20:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose We have to have some limits to the football stories we post. The Scottish cups are not significant enough. P-K3 (talk) 21:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose whilst interesting in the UK, this doesn't have significant enough impact to be ITN worthy. These are two cup competitions, not even a league competition. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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(New) RD: Syamsuddin Mahmud
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Governor of Aceh (1993-2000). COVID-19. Pinging recent updaters to the ITN templates: @PFHLai: Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Gansu ultramarathon disaster
Blurb: 21 ultramarathon runners die due to extreme weather while competing in Gansu, China. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 21 trail runners died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon in Jingtai, China.
Alternative blurb II: 21 trail runners, mostly professional atheletes, died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
- Created by PamD (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nsk92 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest outdoor sports accident in the history of China. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - it's hard to think of a greater disaster in any sporting event in recent years, so by that measure it is ITN-worthy in my opinion. Has had worldwide coverage. Article is small but sufficient, and appears to be properly referenced. Adpete (talk) 00:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait - There is an unusualness to the whole thing "freezing to death in an ultra-marathon" which would make it ITN. Wait for the article to fill out further though. Albertaont (talk) 01:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, the even is certainly highly unusual and is getting worldwide coverage. I have expanded the article a bit from its initial stub state. It is still fairly short but I think it is long enough now. Nsk92 (talk) 02:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support because it's important enough & the article is sufficient. Jim Michael (talk) 02:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose for quality. The article needs a lot of expansion from the Chinese Wikipedia, as apparently the government spokemouth Xinhua was vowing deep investigation on the local government from the first minute while the article reads as if only the grassroot are in anger, quoting some sources written in a tone to ridicule China with partial fact. The article should refer more from neutral media such as South China Morning Post, with both overseas media such as BBC News and government spokemouth such as Xinhua equally presented. Btw, is this a trail running or ultramarathon? Most Chinese material suggested that it's a trail running due to complex terrains. Maybe "trail ultramarathon" is a better choice? --173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I looked at this latest version on Chinese WP and did not see text on the investigation that you referred to.—Bagumba (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Reply - It is quite common for ultramarathons to also be trail running. It is mentioned in ultramarathon#Overview, though perhaps needs more prominence. Adpete (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I looked at this latest version on Chinese WP and did not see text on the investigation that you referred to.—Bagumba (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient quality and breadth on timely news item of unique nature. As a new article, it can cerntainly grow, but what is here meets MP standards.—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Administrator note posted. — xaosflux Talk 13:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: André Ribeiro (racing driver)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Motor Sport, Auto Sport, Racer
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Brazilian racing driver. The article is a stub and need some work. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Still too short and needs more references.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Two major earthquakes
Blurb: Two MS 6.4 and MS 7.4 earthquakes struck Dali Perfecture and Madoi County, leaving 3 death, many injured and lots of destruction. (Post)
News source(s): [12] and [13]
Credits:
- Nominated by 173.68.165.114 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Although the casuality was not extreme, the earthquake left major emergency impact. For example, Matö County students, primarily Tibetan, are now studying in yurts on May 23. 173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Damage of this magnitude as far as earthquakes go is not notable. We probably wouldn't post hurricanes, floods, or tornados with 3 deaths either. Albertaont (talk) 01:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Earthquakes are only news because of their destruction, and this was relatively minor. Also not a slow news cycle these days.—Bagumba (talk) 11:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
RD or blurb: Yuan Longping
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by 173.68.165.114 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support blurb in principle, oppose in content If we were to judge posting death blurbs based on the scale of global influence the person has, then this person definitely passed the threshold. But unfortunately there are several problems regarding references in the article – Special:Contributions/173.68.165.114|173.68.165.114]] (talk) 06:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- RD only – Subject was 90. His primary work was in the 1970s. – Sca (talk) 12:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD - Not notable enough for a blurb - fine for RD. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Citations needed. He's a very important figure but it's been very long since his career and his death needs no explanation in a blurb, so once the article issues are resolved I support RD only. Uses x (talk • contribs) 22:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD Although his impact is likely blurb worthy, he isn't exactly well known, even outside scientific circles. Albertaont (talk) 01:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Tagged. Hanamanteo (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Beckwith
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dothan Eagle; Auburn University
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 05:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient quality and breadth of coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good, well sourced! --Vacant0 (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Atletico Madrid wins La Liga
Blurb: In association football, Atlético Madrid wins 2020–21 La Liga. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sakiv (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Xolkan (talk · give credit), Mediocre Legacy (talk · give credit), Wikizin (talk · give credit) and Msf3000 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The winner of La Liga is ITN/R, and unlike the Premier League, this year's La Liga was decided on the final day of the season. Unlike the nomination about Bundesliga, the La Liga article does not yet have a prose summary--although this only happened a few hours ago, so give editors a few hours to fix that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support La Liga is ITN/R. Furthermore, Atlético Madrid's win seems extraordinary given that the league is usually dominated by two teams (Barcelona and Real Madrid). It is Atlético's first win since 2014. signed, Pat talk 06:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- If Getafe won that would be extraordinary, not one of the world's richest teams, one of the failed Super League founders, a regular CL participant, the 3rd best Spanish team of all time, one that has only been relegated twice, spent only 2 seasons outside La Liga since 1934 and have finished either 1st 2nd or 3rd in the last 10 years. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality needs more prose e.g. a season summary section like the Premier League article has. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - I'm not sure the national leagues should be in the ITN.--WEBDuB (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- The event has already been determined to be ITN/R. Its notability has been assessed.AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- The topic, not the event. Hardly newsworthy, this is merely routine coverage. Much more newsworthy footballing stories have been turned down. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- No, this specific event, La Liga. It has already been pre-determined to be newsworthy.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- The topic, not the event. Hardly newsworthy, this is merely routine coverage. Much more newsworthy footballing stories have been turned down. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- The event has already been determined to be ITN/R. Its notability has been assessed.AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose in current form - Page has every kind of table and graph imaginable, but the only prose refers to what happened at the end of the season before. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose absolutely nothing special or unprecedented about this, nearly all the leagues are concluding around now. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not all league are ITN/R; this one is. Being special is irrelevant. -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Only prose on season play is two sentences ... in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now per all of the above; article in question has no significant prose writing about the season. I would expect a full season synopsis, covering all of the major highlights, before posting this to the main page. Consider this vote a full support after that has been done.--Jayron32 15:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Muller's record
Blurb: In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Bayern Munich wins its ninth consecutive and 30th overall title, while Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, SI, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I know we don't usually post sporting records unless they are very significant, but Gerd Müller's 40 goals in one Bundesliga season record is a long-standing record with cultural significance in Germany, and the chase for Gerd Müller's record was covered extensively this season. We also failed to post Bayern Munich's ITN/R Bundesliga win while we were in the middle of debating whether we post blurbs at the end of the season or after they're mathematically clinched, so this might be an opportunity to pop that in as well. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support! More or less as important in Germany as Patrick Marleau "outplaying" Gordie Howe was to Canada, Europe can learn from that New World mistake of the past. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment In light of the earlier Premier League post at the time of clinching—not at season's end—do we consider Bayern Munich stale now? Consider that the Bundesliga clinching was nominated a couple of weeks ago but was not posted. —Bagumba (talk) 05:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Messi breaking this same record, but in the scope of all European leagues, was posted in 2012. It seems like splitting hairs to post again the record being broken just in Germany. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose It's interesting for fans, but blurbs shouldn't make comparisons as the event should be significant enough by itself and we can't assume people reading ITN are familiar with the previous record. Uses x (talk • contribs) 22:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2021
Blurb: Italy, represented by Måneskin with the song "Zitti e buoni", wins the Eurovision Song Contest in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At the Eurovision Song Contest 2021 in Rotterdam, Netherlands, Italy wins with their respresentatives, Måneskin, and their song "Zitti e buoni".
News source(s): [14]
Credits:
- Nominated by AxG (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Nominating it now so we can discuss blurb layout which is discussed each year. -- AxG / ✉ 23:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - part of ITN/R. The blurb looks good. BabbaQ (talk) 23:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, also comment I've added an alternate blurb, please discuss as necessary. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose many unsourced statements on the event article, including but not limited to the whole Scoreboard section, the text in the Returning Artists section. Also multiple instances of tense updates needed. This is far from ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - The article has been improved since last night. --WEBDuB (talk) 08:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, they performed great in my opinion --Vacant0 (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. I will omit the venue from the blurb since it is long enough already. --Tone 12:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
RD: Jorge García Carneiro
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tal Cual
Credits:
- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Venezuelan politician and governor of the Vargas state for over ten years. Died while in office. NoonIcarus (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support Minimum coverage. As someone who has served as governor for thirteen years it would be nice to see a sentence or two about what he did while in office. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- "As someone who has served as governor for thirteen years" You served as Governor for 13 years? Seriously though, I can't find anything about his career on the internet, so I suppose we can't expand it further (unless a Spanish-speaker decides to work on this). 45.251.33.189 (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Served as a governor for 12 years and it only has text about sanctions that happened in 2019... --Vacant0 (talk) 18:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support - I couldn't find anything on the internet about this person's career as governor, but someone with knowledge of Spanish may have better luck. Besides that, there is no other issue I see with this. 45.251.33.189 (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Too brief; inadequate coverage.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Ongoing: Colombian protests
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AJ, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Created by El Rolo Ueeqee (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MichaelWikia1123 (talk · give credit) and WMrapids (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Despite the president's concession on 2 May, these protests have not only continued but grown in recent days; "The anger driving Colombia's protest movement isn't going away anytime soon". This event is still very much ongoing and, seeing as the article has been continually updated, deserves to be in the ongoing section. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Looking at the scale of the protests I think it's significant enough, and the article is decent quality. The problem is the most recent update to actual events (not reactions, etc) is only three brief and insignificant sentences for 20 May (they got removed from a football championship, and confirmation that the blockade continued). That's the only proper update since the date of the oldest blurb currently on ITN (dated 15 May), which is what the critera for 'Updated' is, so that's not currently met. Looking at the sparsity of updates I don't think it'd stay updated for long anyway, so I suggest waiting for a significant event and nominating that as a blurb instead, and seeing how it goes from there. Uses x (talk • contribs) 05:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Concur with Uses x. Article not having significant, consistent updates. If there is a singular event of importance, would consider a blurb. SpencerT•C 01:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Usman Mansoorpuri
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greater Kashmir, Roznama Sahara Urdu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died on 21 May 2021. National President of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind, Noted Indian Islamic scholar. Article is not stub and I'll update once more sources are available to me. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. looks fine. - Owais Talk 15:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose needs more detail on what he did during those position. At the very least a sentence about what he does during his 12-year long tenure as the National President of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind (which translates to the number one person in India's largest Muslim scholar organization). If fulfilled I'll support.--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)- Jeromi Mikhael, I added whatever I could get online. I hope more will be available in upcoming dates and I'll definitely be updating it. Ideas now? ─ The Aafī (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- @TheAafi: Thank you! Support --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer: May this be posted today so that I can focus on another RD? I've addressed the issues & this should be okay now. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @TheAafi: Thank you! Support --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, I added whatever I could get online. I hope more will be available in upcoming dates and I'll definitely be updating it. Ideas now? ─ The Aafī (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Leader of Boko Haram dies
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Abubakar Shekau, the leader of Boko Haram, dies after detonating a suicide vest during a battle with ISWAP insurgents. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.wsj.com/articles/boko-haram-leader-responsible-for-chibok-schoolgirl-kidnappings-dies-11621608392
Credits:
- Nominated by 24.28.96.202 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
24.28.96.202 (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Given multiple reports of his death in the past, there should be some kind of official confirmation before this gets posted. SpencerT•C 20:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional Support, pending a statement by Boko Haram or other reliable confirmation. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- RD only We blurb him, we make him a martyr, a saint. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Didn't we blurb Osama bin Laden when he was killed? I agree that this person probably isn't blurb-worthy because his impact is limited to part of Africa, but to use "he was evil, so we shouldn't blurb him" as an excuse against the blurb just seems to be wrong IMO. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not about evil, it's about infamy. You didn't have to Wikilink your example, he was already a household name in English media. With lower-tier warlords, blurbing feels like we're pushing them, spotlighting, raising awareness. And OBL's death was at least intended to make a popular president look cool. As a suicide bomber, we'd only be putting suicide bombing over. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Aight. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 08:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC) And I guess I Wikilinked Bin Laden as it's a habit for me to unnecessarily use formatting like links, bullets etc. :-P
- I'm glad you did, or I wouldn't been able to make a point out of it. Keep up the good quirks! As long as we're admitting we have problems, I sometimes arbitrarily paraphrase strange heroes of mine, that was one of Skeletor's lines. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:21, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Aight. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 08:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC) And I guess I Wikilinked Bin Laden as it's a habit for me to unnecessarily use formatting like links, bullets etc. :-P
- Not about evil, it's about infamy. You didn't have to Wikilink your example, he was already a household name in English media. With lower-tier warlords, blurbing feels like we're pushing them, spotlighting, raising awareness. And OBL's death was at least intended to make a popular president look cool. As a suicide bomber, we'd only be putting suicide bombing over. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Didn't we blurb Osama bin Laden when he was killed? I agree that this person probably isn't blurb-worthy because his impact is limited to part of Africa, but to use "he was evil, so we shouldn't blurb him" as an excuse against the blurb just seems to be wrong IMO. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD only The nomination of blurb by 24.28.96.202 looks like it more eligible for RD. 36.77.64.147 (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Support blurb Very notable; Boko Haram is literally ISIS/L in West Africa.Wait per Uses x, pawnkingthree, and 45.251.33.186. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 00:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)- Oppose Nigerian Army spokesman: "It’s a rumour. We are investigating it. We can only say something if we confirm it" [Reuters]. If/when they're convinced, and when the citation needed tags and article issues are resolved, I support RD only since he's not a particularly notable figure, and he'll just be replaced. Uses x (talk • contribs) 00:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, RD only if confirmed. P-K3 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Conditionally support but for RD only, once his death is confirmed as he is not significantly notable. 182.1.27.161 (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I've changed the nominated article from Boko Haram to Abubakar Shekau, which would be the RD target. Blurb remains unchanged.
- Oppose blurb, Support RD if and when the death is confirmed by military. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb if his death is confirmed - Boko Haram are one of the world's largest & most active terrorist groups, who have killed thousands of people. Jim Michael (talk) 11:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- RD only – If confirmed only. Per Hulk, plus lack of name recognition in most of the English-speaking world. – Sca (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There are couple more sentences that have to get fixed+sourced, after that it will look fine for an RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Considering that his death is still unconfirmed, should this discussion be closed and re-nominated once it is confirmed? Mlb96 (talk) 16:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. [15] – Sca (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose until it's confirmed beyond a doubt. From the WaPo article: "The Nigerian military and regional forces have declared Shekau dead at least four times since 2009. After such announcements, Shekau released video messages, mocking the government while firing bullets into the air." Johndavies837 (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb if well known respectable people don't get blurbs, then terrorists definitely shouldn't. Oppose RD until it's actually confirmed, particularly given the comment that he's previously been incorrectly confirmed dead. I would say close this, and open or renominate once actually confirmed.... Joseph2302 (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Being well-known & respectable isn't sufficient for a blurb. Shekau is/was Africa's highest-ranking terrorist as the leader of the continent's largest & most active terrorist group. No-one here is claiming that he was a good person, but his importance in his field can't be denied. Jim Michael (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The only source currently cited on the page says
The circumstances leading to the death of notorious terror group leader, Abubakar Shekau, have been disputed by various reports, with many insisting that he may in fact still be alive.
The page seems to be a current BLP violation with no tags or discussion to be found.—Bagumba (talk) 07:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC) - Oppose RD is for people who are verifiably dead. Per the above observations, we should wait for a suitable number of statements from both sympathetic and antagonistic sources. Strong oppose blurb Osama bin Laden was posted because he was an internationally known, notorious, and hunted leader of a terrorist organization which perpetrated the most notable attack in a generation. It was not because he was merely the leader of Al Qeuda. I could not have told you who Shekau was before yesterday, and did not even know Boko Haram had a defined organization, and while the kidnappings were certainly brutal, they were not as unusual as the simultaneous destruction of several highrises.2001:708:20:1300:0:0:0:1650 (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - BH frequently uses very young, often female, suicide bombers - some of whom are the kids they've kidnapped, so they're also unusual. Battle of Sambisa Forest (2021) was created today. The battle is important enough to be posted, even without Shekau's death. The two large jihadist groups used to be closely allied. Jim Michael (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Klemen Tinal
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Incumbent vice governor of Papua. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good depth of coverage for a sub-national politician. SpencerT•C 01:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:06, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis
Blurb: A ceasefire is enacted during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A ceasefire is enacted between Israel and Hamas during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed.
News source(s): AP (says 200+ dead), Reuters (says 243 dead), BBC (says 250+ dead) Guardian AlJezeera dpa NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Credits:
- Nominated by Starship.paint (talk · give credit)
- Created by RoanokeVirginia (talk · give credit)
- Updated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit), Reenem (talk · give credit), Nishidani (talk · give credit), Selfstudier (talk · give credit) and ProcrastinatingReader (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Ceasefire has come into effect, ends the 11 day "war", as described by AP. The fact that both sides have declared victory further indicates that this round of fighting is over. starship.paint (exalt) 10:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support removing from ongoing and posting a blurb for the ceasefire. This is clearly a conclusion of this episode in the conflict.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Question Should the truce be documented in a separate article that we can use as a target?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- No. There's not enough to say about it, and its background section would just essentially duplicate this one. Best left as the beginning of the aftermath of the main event article. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving from ongoing to blurb section. Article remains high quality, news sources indicate this is a significant event worth mentioning. --Jayron32 11:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait This ceasefire seems less shaky than other ceasefires have, but we should maybe give it a couple of days to be sure(r). Wouldn't want to look foolish. Encyclopedias aren't papers, timeliness can relax a bit. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Whether or not the ceasefire ends at a later date, it has been declared recently, and news sources are covering it now. Waiting would mean that the story we post is not also being covered by news stories, and the primary purpose of ITN is to provide people who visit the Wikipedia main page with a Wikipedia article that elaborates on a story they are also reading about in other articles. Should the ceasefire prove ephemeral, updating the blurb is trivial and easy. --Jayron32 11:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Easy update, sure, but then we're left with a blurb that announces Day 13 (or whatever) of something that was already ongoing. Or we could just restore it as Ongoing. Not quite opposed to posting fast and just staying optimistic, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Whether or not the ceasefire ends at a later date, it has been declared recently, and news sources are covering it now. Waiting would mean that the story we post is not also being covered by news stories, and the primary purpose of ITN is to provide people who visit the Wikipedia main page with a Wikipedia article that elaborates on a story they are also reading about in other articles. Should the ceasefire prove ephemeral, updating the blurb is trivial and easy. --Jayron32 11:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment At least the lead should be cleaned up from present tense, "so far", "have been", etc.—Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support – pending expansion of article update – This has been by far the No. 1 RS story internationally since Thursday afternoon (U.S. time). Amazing that it hasn't been posted yet. Note that Guardian leads with "World leaders have hailed (the) ceasefire." – Sca (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- There's definitely no rush to post if there's only a one line update to talk about the ceasefire. There needs to be details about that before it can go up. --Masem (t) 13:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- 10-4. Thorough coverage at NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've used Sca's NYT report to expand the article's coverage of the ceasefire to a full paragraph, using basically everything the NYT article had that was new information about the ceasefire itself (i.e. not merely recaps of the conflict). --Jayron32 14:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jay. I stuck "– halted by a May 21 ceasefire –" into the lead. Does that work for you? – Sca (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've used Sca's NYT report to expand the article's coverage of the ceasefire to a full paragraph, using basically everything the NYT article had that was new information about the ceasefire itself (i.e. not merely recaps of the conflict). --Jayron32 14:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- 10-4. Thorough coverage at NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment does not appear that the ceasefire will last long [16]. PotentPotables (talk) 13:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- NYT describes Asqa Mosque incident Friday as "a small skirmish," and Reuters calls it "brief clashes." Seems your Twitter citation may be somewhat outdated. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support It's expanded enough for my liking and it's the end of the "ongoing" event, at least for now. Uses x (talk • contribs) 14:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Marked attn. – Sca (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support altblurb and delist from ongoing — ceasefire appears to be holding and article appears to be good. osunpokeh (talk) 03:59, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Still dominating int'l news on Saturday. [17] [18] [19] There's absolutely no excuse for this blurb not being in the box. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. It's unbelievable not to be on ITN yet! MSN12102001 (talk) 12:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Ongoing→blurb, definitely a high-quality and well-cited article. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support per Vacant0. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support No longer appropriate for Ongoing, so let's blurb it and then let it roll off. P-K3 (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Clear consensus to post. What's the holdup? – Sca (talk) 14:46, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted, but someone should check my work as I've never posted a blurb before, only RDs. —valereee (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Australian climate strikes
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Thousands of people join student-led climate strikes around Australia (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, Sydney Morning Herald, Yahoo News, BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by JMonkey2006 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose How is this significant compared to other protests mentioned in the article? On a procedural note, I don't see any update text for this recent item.—Bagumba (talk) 10:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not seeing enough significant coverage to justify ITN right now.Jackattack1597 (talk) 10:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose If this strike instigates a new wave of climate-related protests around the world, then it may be worth re-considering this for posting. For now, it's merely a series of small-scale events.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per comment above --Vacant0 (talk) 11:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose routine. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Strongest oppose and SNOW close — Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. It is clear that the School strike for climate in Australia article doesn't exist and the School strike for climate article hasn't been updated at all. osunpokeh (talk) 03:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sunderlal Bahuguna
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: environmentalist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Overall, it looks decent. There are two-three sentences that have to be cited, after that it will be alright. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- The cn tags have been fixed. Joofjoof (talk) 11:17, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Nizamuddin Asir Adrawi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Online Urdu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Muslim scholar and biographer. Article updated. Will expand further once more sources are available. ─ The Aafī (talk) 02:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good, well cited --Vacant0 (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. --Gazal world (talk) 14:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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