Talk:White South Africans

Apartheid definition of white does not support claim that Middle Eastern were white

See: http://politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/the-strange-career-of-race-classification-in-south

"Asiatic means, a person whose parents are, or were members of a race or tribe whose national or ethnical home is Asia, and shall include a person partly of Asiatic origin living as a Asiatic family, but shall not include any Jew, Syrian or Cape Malay"

The law clearly implies that all "Asiatics", excluding Jews, Syrians, and Cape Malay, were not white. Therefore Egyptians, Saudis were not white in South Africa. Nor were southern Levantines such as Jordanians or Palestinians. Steeletrap (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Definition of white: "A white person means a person both of whose parents are or were members of a race whose national to ethnical home is Europe, and shall include any Jew, Syrian or other person who is in appearance obviously a white person unless and until contrary is proven." This does not include all Middle Eastern or even Levantine people, merely Jews and Syrians. Steeletrap (talk) 18:19, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi apparently lobbied for Indian South Asian South Africans to have their own third set of facilities, but i can't find a source for this. I heard it on BBC podcast. Irtapil (talk) 07:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Spoken languages statistics

I was wondering if anyone can direct me to where the "2016 figures" are from? I see there was a recent edit which states that 40.2% of white South Africans speak English natively, however none of the sources back this figure up? --BenBezuidenhout (talk) 07:49, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

reasons for emigration

I think this section is inaccurate (or at the very least incomplete), and probably biased. but my source of knowledge isn't citable, so i'm raising it here rather than editing the page.

"Between 1995 and 2005, more than one million South Africans emigrated, citing violent and racially motivated black on white crime as the main reason, as well as the lack of employment opportunities for whites.[19]"

I'm from Australia and there were a lot of South Africans and Zimbabweans in the community where i grew up in the 1990s and early 2000s. None of them described fear of violence as the major motivating factor for leaving.

Their motives were more often economic, or just that the felt Australia was a more pleasant place to live. But not "it was dangerous there" just "it's more pleasant here".

And the economic motives weren't about there being specifically few opportunities for white people in southern Africa, more a general lack of opportunity and the white people were those who could afford to emigrate. Australia's immigration intake often advantages things like education, and can pretty blatantly favour wealth. So it would impact their likelihood of being accepted as well as the expense of moving.

Irtapil (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

" None of them described fear of violence as the major motivating factor for leaving. " This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard; South Africa as a FACT, even today after crime has actually been slowly falling for over a decade, has THE WORST homicide rate of any nation in Africa and the 12th worst recorded in the world. Every south African who I have ever heard talk about why they left mentions the extreme levels of violence and crime in South Africa and the murder rate peaked at the end and shortly after Apartheid. People in South Africa have to live in gated communities and securities complexes that border on bunkers to feel safe. I've met white South Africans personally who choose to leave because someone they knew was murdered in a racist targeted attack. I can even find youtube videos of half a dozen south africans talking about such things. Maybe people should read the wiki article for Crime in South Africa and Xenophobia in South Africa before they tell complete anecdotal lies here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_in_South_Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.91.82.125 (talk) 23:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Lists of people

The lists of WSAns at the end of the article are constantly growing without any practical limit (except total article length). Inclusion/exclusion seems to be completely arbitrary (editors simply add their own favourites). Imho these lists should be removed, they serve no encyclopedic purpose. Category:White South African people is much better than these open ended "random sample" lists. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Definition in lead

@Gooduserdude: Regarding your recent revert, I don't particularly care whether "White South Africans" are defined as "South Africans who are white" or "South Africans who are of European descent". My main concern was that as well as certain parts of West Asia is (a) ungrammatical (as well as links of European descent and certain parts of West Asia which are not the same type of phrase) and (b) that some West Asians are considered white in South Africa is not essential to the definition of "White South Africans" and doesn't belong in the first sentence of the lead. If we're going to include exceptions we should also include North America and Australia at a minimum but my version is more concise and arguably more accurate, unless you have a reliable source that specifically defines "White South Africans" otherwise. Pinging Clear Looking Glass who has also been involved with this. Rublov (talk) 16:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, although your edit summary says original research, the original definition doesn't have a source either and it's arguably more in need of one, so unless you weigh in here I'm going to restore my definition. Rublov (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)