Talk:History of the Jews in Germany

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Stories of German Shielding 1942-45

Would be good to have an entry (or link) to a collection of stories on how some "Jews were shielded from the Nazis by the courageous acts of other Germans". This may be a start: http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/visasforlife/. http://hnn.us/comments/19503.html. Then again, perhaps this entry is not so much the place for such info. The entry on the Holocaust has a section about recuers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Rescuers

Comments by 24.8.45.117

The following paragraph: This is way off - read the Basic Law Section 7 Para 130 sub para (3) this section deals with Sedition. You might say, one can get in trouble promoting Nazism and likely will if it is done in public however, it has to "disturb the public peace". If it never does this, such as a private conversation. It is not likely to be prosecuted to begin with.

In regard to the ref, wiki is filled with bogus references that are persuasional in nature. You need to go to college and learn how to perform, critical writing.

== REFERENCES MAYBE PERSUASIONAL AND NOT FACTUAL IN NATURE FOR THIS ARTICLE ==

I'm not here to grade your papers or check your refs, please do what wiki asks of you, and be accurate. We all thank you for your contribution. You make many good points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.45.117 (talk)

Women's role

Under the Section "1815-1918" I would like to add information about the role of Jewish women in linking German culture with Jewish culture. I want to add arguments that some historians believed that Jews lost touch with their Judaism and only followed German Culture. While others like Marion A. Kaplan argued that the Jewish people, with the help of the Jewish women, stayed connected to their Jewish Traditions. Information about this should be added the fifth paragraph of this section. The world should be educated in both perspectives of this topic. According to Marion A. Kaplan's "Assimilation and Community: The Jews in nineteenth century Europe" Jewish Women played an important role in the integration of the Jews in Germany while also preserving the Jewish culture. It was the woman's job to raise German children while also keeping the Jewish culture intact. Women made sure the household practiced the Jewish tradition by enforcing kosher and the sabbath. Maya04211999 (talk) 08:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

References

Markus Wolf and others not Jewish

According to the Wikipedia entry for Markus Wolf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolf) only his father was Jewish. Under Jewish Law (Halacha) that does not make him Jewish. Dori1951 (talk) 11:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Two other people listed under prominent people in East Germany were not Jewish either, Gregor Gysi and Hanns Eisler -- see their Wikipedia entries. I have amended the main article accordingly. Dori1951 (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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persistence of anti Semitism

Tennis2021

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/112/26/7931.full.pdf

I plan to improve this Wikipedia page using data from a secondary source article. I will enhance the Wiki page by incorporating more direct evidence and more examples pertaining to the role of anti-Semitism in Germany to make the article more factual than it is currently. The article I intend to draw from talks about various surveys that were done on the general public to evaluate evidence of anti-Semitism. In one survey, researchers asked several questions about people’s attitudes towards Jews. The authors of this article, Nico Voigtländera and Hans-Joachim Voth, analyze and discuss the combination of studies done by the National Bureau of Economic Research, Cambridge, and the center for Economic Policy Research, London on German Anti-Semitic teachings during the Nazi era and how these brainwashing methods have left residue in German culture to this day. I was curious about the current state of Germany and if there were any groups of people who carried on Hitler’s beliefs after his regime. This article provides clear evidence that there are still individuals around today who lived through the Hitler era and who believed in his hatred mindset. It notes that these people are still influencing the younger generations. This article I will incorporate into the Wiki page also discusses how the brainwashing was so strong in the schilling system and overall environment in the 1940s and 1950s that it stuck with the generation that grew up with it for all these years and they have passed on the anti-sematic culture to younger generations. Voth also provides a study done in Germany in this article about the current views of the population. “Two waves of the General Social Survey for Germany (ALLBUS 1996 and 2006) asked a set of seven questions about attitudes toward Jews. For each of these questions, respondents answered on a numerical scale ranging from 1 to 7; we recoded the scale so that 7 is always the most anti-Semitic response. For example, 17% of German respondents felt that Jews should blame themselves for their own persecution, 25.7% were uncomfortable with the idea of a Jew marrying into their family, and 21.5% felt that Jews should not have equal rights (scores of 5 or higher on a scale from 1 to 7).” These statistics show the prevalence of anti-Semitic beliefs and behaviors in today’s society, decades after Hitler’s regime. It goes to show the impact one person can have on a culture and how they can change a culture for a long period of time, whether it be a positive influence or, in this case, a very negative influence. The persistence of anti-Semitism really stemmed from the Nazi regime. A lot of Germans grew up under it and were exposed to a wide range of indoctrination methods. The significance that came from the findings is that Germans that grew up under the Nazi regime are much more anti-Semitic today than those born before or after that period. I think this information will be beneficial to the article and add more specific information about the state of anti-Semitism today and the role of anti-Semitism in German society more broadly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennis2021 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Edits for Holocaust in Germany Section

I plan to edit this page using a secondary source, Submerged on the Surface by Richard Lutjens. This source is reliable as Lutjen is a published author and an Assistant Professor of History at Texas Tech University. He received his doctorate in modern European History and specialized in the history of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. I would like to add a more detailed description about Jews hiding in Germany during the war and what tactics and strategies they used to survive. The existing section on the Holocaust in Germany could use some elaboration and perhaps some more insight into what it was like remaining in Germany and trying to survive during that time. Referring to themselves as “U-boats,” many Jews in Germany endured long, strenuous years of hiding and evading the Nazis. The source explains that the survivors saw focused more on hiding their Jewish identities rather than physically hiding from the Nazis. I also plan to provide some more information on the false papers that the Jews sought to acquire. The secondary source explains how expensive and risky it was for the Jews to buy such papers. Not only did they have to pay a hefty sum for the ID but then had to pay for a new picture and official stamp to be added to it. Some Jews in Berlin looked to the Black Market to get false papers as this was a most sought-after product following food and clothing. In total, a reliable false ID came out to between 2,000RM and 6,000RM depending on where it came from. Certain forms of ID were soon deemed unacceptable, leaving the Jews with expensive, useless pieces of paper (91). The section touches on police inspections and searching for Jews in hiding however there is still much to be added here as well. Altogether, I plan to add between 200 and 300 words. If anyone has feedback on these changes, please let me know on this Talk page or on my Talk page.JarettG (talk) 04:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)