Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of Nickelodeon
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Nominator's rationale: The WikiProject Nickelodeon has been turned into a task force and does not use a standalone template. Any pages tagged with the required parameters will be placed in the general television category and these will be always empty. Gonnym (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of television programs
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Category:Film posters by Michael Koelsch
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Keep -- We have many categories of this kind. There are a lot of Indian expatriates in the Gulf area. It happens that the rest are apparently NN (since they have no article). Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only article in the category, Adline Castelino, is actually defined as Indian rather than Kuwaiti. Her claim to fame is having won Miss Diva, an Indian beauty pageant. Some sources call her Kuwait-born, which is quite different than Kuwaiti seen the very restrictive nationality laws in Kuwait and other Arab Gulf emirates, and it is extremely unlikely that she would hold Kuwaiti citizenship (unless proven otherwise by reliable sources). Per WP:NONDEF, she does not belong in this category, which would make the category empty. Place Clichy (talk) 09:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We don't only use formal nationality/citizenship when putting people in these categories. She is Kuwaiti in that she was born in Kuwait. Part of a well-established categorisation tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Spending your first 15 years in a country is certainly not a "very weak" connection! It's most of your childhood, your formative years. Very many people have been categorised as coming from a particular country when they left it a lot younger than that. In fact, it's a standard pillar of biographical categorisation to categorise in which country (and which town) a person was born. No idea why she should be an exception. I get it that some editors don't like this, but picking on one category among hundreds of similar ones is just silly. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing in her biography that relates to these so-called formative years, obviously apart from the bare fact that she lived in Kuwait at young age. She was Indian, with Indian parents who happened to live in Kuwait temporarily. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People from Kuwait City is perfectly sufficient to reflect her connection to her city of birth. We should not invent this notion of Kuwaiti people of Indian descent because 1°) no reliable source would call her that, 2°) she is not Kuwaiti and 3°) she is not "of Indian descent" but fully Indian, except if you consider every Indian needs to be placed in a of Indian descent category, which would imho defeat the purpose of such categories. Place Clichy (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
People who were born in India are "Indian". People who were born in other countries of Indian parentage are "of Indian descent". It's very simple. It's a system we've been using for years. Again, why are we making an exception here? We wouldn't classify a person born in the UK or USA of Indian parentage as Indian, but "of Indian descent". So why should we do it here? What does "fully Indian" mean? Ethnically, yes, she's fully Indian. So are most people born in the UK and USA of Indian parentage. So what? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Who is "we"? If a person born in the UK or US of Indian parentage, returns to Indian as a child, is widely referred to by all reliable sources as Indian (rather than, e.g. Indian-American) and, cherry on the cake, is known not to hold American/British citizenship, then that person would definitely be classified as Indian in regards to nationality categories rather than American/British of Indian descent. My understanding is that categories of Barian people of Fooian descent were created after CFD discussions for a number of reasons, such as endless discussions whether to put a dash or not in Irish-American, the will to have a clearer scope less open to personal interpretation and to make it clear that categories for people are kept separate. However these categories only have a meaning for people in diaspora, and this does not trump the basic principle that articles are still categorized by their defining characteristics only. When people clearly have connection to Foo country only and no connection to Bar, you cannot call them Barian people or of Fooian descent.
Also, in the case of the US and UK, both have nationality law largely based on jus soli, which means that it can be reasonably assumed that the mere fact of being born there qualifies someone as either American or British. That's clearly not the case with Kuwaiti nationality law, which, like other Arab Gulf emirates, has a very strict version of jus sanguinis. In the case of Castelino, she actually better subscribes to the definition of an Indian expatriate in Kuwait. Place Clichy (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
