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Free market capitalism is hardly centrist... --Oddeivind (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. Party is center right for Greece.WashingtonMatia (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Immigration

I added some material from one of their position papers. 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)WashingtonMatia (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contribution, but I had to delete the whole paragraph again for the following reason: "Deleted passus on immigration, because immigration is just 1 of 19 topics of their programme. Featuring here just only 1 of 19 must be regarded as a unwanted bias. So we either need to mention all 19 or none.". But so that your work is not lost in the depth of the document history, i paste it here, so if someone should add the missing 18 topics, he can reuse your work for the topic of immigration: " == Position on immigration == The party has a strong position opposed to the extremely high level of illegal immigration into Greece. Positions indicate support for revisiting EU treaties on ease of political asylum, and possible creation of dedicated work and residence zones for illegal migrants to reduce downward wage pressure. Dimiourgia Xana also recommends reducing social services - especially health services - to illegal migrants, the possible creation of voluntary militias on Greek islands to work with authorities in deterring illegal immigration, and possible fencing of borders areas not able to be directly monitored.[1]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.107.70 (talk) 09:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
please learn a bit about wikipedia and refrain from deleting sourced material.71.252.92.159 (talk) 22:59, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3Axn5enUXTAw0J%3Awww.dimiourgiaxana.gr%2Findex.php%2Fmetanasteftiko

Ideology

It seems that user QuaestorGaius is changing the ideological identity of the party. That part is properly cited and from what I see, he has been blocked on Greek Wikipedia for the exact same reason. Can someone perhaps step in and take care of this? (unsigned comment by Mightberightorwrong, 15:53, 27 June 2021)

It seems that the user above has already started the discussion with an ad hominem attack and he has also distorted questionable sources to interpolate his POV in the article QuaestorGaius (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I don't know what to say. In all the articles I provided the name 'Recreate Greece' is highlighted clearly along with the leader of the party Thanos Tzimeros. He even called the Brill journal pages as 'paywall' - look at pages 52 and 58 where Tzimeros and Recreate Greece are mentioned. The user has reverted the article more than five times, so am not sure what else I can do here. Mightberightorwrong (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, in the Amadeu-Antonio Stiftung source the name of the party is not mentioned anywhere, yet he uses it here. So he has clearly distorted the sources as is evident in the pages concerning Greece, The fact that he only specifically mentions one source proves the point entirely. Could you provide us with the quotations to judge for ourselves instead of making vague claims? Btw you have also reverted the article even more right now, even if you have been specifically instructed not to do so.QuaestorGaius (talk) 16:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Page 85... Mightberightorwrong (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since this conversation is not leading anywhere and academic sources have been removed repeatedly, I am not going to respond again; instead, I will let admins have the final say. I was accused of lies and proved that QuaestorGaius is vandalising the article - all sources provided are reliable for sure. First it was the "NGOs" (?), then the page numbers, which have been provided and now the "left-wing" bias. Even a Brill Publishers's article was removed. They keep finding excuses to revert cited content. Mightberightorwrong (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is is just a board on social media influence. No direct correlation to the bold and extreme claims you've added to the article and certainly not a valid reference. Also the source is a completely biased as I mentioned before. You haven't proven a thing as is already mentioned in the other discussion and therefore your last revert was clearly against WP policy. You have heavily distorted biased sources and then absolutely ignored article neutrality to fit your own POVQuaestorGaius (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reset

Polite discussion with no ad hominem attacks goes below. The article is fully protected. Acroterion (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have added several sources, including academic journals that discuss Recreate Greece and its leader as 'far-right'. Apart from the evident association with islamophobic and anti-communist views, the whole party appears to be associated primarily with one man: Thanos Tzimeros, who is the only active politician of Recreate Greece and is widely mentioned as its leader. So far, QuaestorGaius has attempted to portray me as a liar to which I responded with page numbers and specific quotes from the publications. Furthermore, he has described reputable sources as 'left-wing' or 'NGOs' - not sure what the latter means. Thus, I believe that he is willing to contribute. Allow me to repeat that he has previously used sockpuppets in Greek Wikipedia and was banned for vandalising the Greek version of the article. Mightberightorwrong (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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