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Precious

	portraits of opera singers as people
	Thank you for presenting opera singers of past and present not only as performers but also as human beings, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda for the kind words. :-)4meter4 (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to give Precious to the one who created opera singers in 2008 and found you again, awesome Wikipedian (24 September 2010 and 5 March 2012)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 46th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, now I miss you and the photographer (again), and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Two years ago, I am happy to see your name on my watchlist again, enjoy singing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Ruth Welting

Thanks for adding this article. Very nice, and needed for a long time. --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Bizet's Carmen

If you feel like chipping in at the peer review, or on the talkpage, any comments from you will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Teatro Sociale

Thanks for your "heads up". I'll have to cross-check with Lynn when I return from a trip to California later this week. However, her book is about the only source out there. Viva-Verdi (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thank you for putting that notice about Sanjay Pugalia on Khazar2's talk page. The best route to saving it was through an overhaul and you helped spark that campaign! Please take a look at it now, Best wishes Crtew (talk) 14:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I am interested in journalists and most of my work here is about journalists who have been killed for their reporting. Is there a good way to follow AfD nominations for a specific category? I find wading through AfD confusing and have never mastered this skill. You look like you have a lot more experience than I do tracking those nominations. Any pointers would be very much appreciated! Crtew (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Trafalgar Square 1948

Happy Holidays, 4meter4! It's nice to see you visiting the Opera Project even though you're semi-retired. Have a wonderful music-filled Christmas and a very happy new year. Voceditenore (talk) 10:34, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Composers for FA

I noticed your suggestions for composer and opera FAs. Britten is up for PR, did you know? Did you see my collection of Wagner DYK, just for fun? Verdi deserves improvement, for example Quattro pezzi sacri, still with red links of the parts, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Michael Tippett

Hallo, I just wrote something in the German Wiki.de - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tippett#Leben - about Michael Tippett,- because text was wrong...someone wrote before, that he had never experiences in music as child. Ups! And the page comes probably from SCHOTT EDITION. When I finished my small correcture, I found two books and I´m new in Wiki, so I did not know how I fit it. (-) So I looked on your english page of M. Tippett, WHOW, surprise. WONDERFUL! Nothing is better- Nothing. And such article need one week very hard work. 1. Problem is, that all would be easier, if Wiki could mange, that all can read ONE common article. 2. So it would be unseful, if the german article would have a link to yours. BEdause: If I write in GOOGLE M.Tippett, then GOOGLE gives only the GERMAN results,- nothing to en. I got it, because I had suddenly the idea to use the "Tippett.en." 2. Problem is in your article I could not find this here, with two ID (?): Music of the Angels: Essays and Sketchbooks

Tippett, Michael Verlag: Eulenburg Books, 1980 ISBN 10: 0903873605 / ISBN 13: 9780903873604 many greetings--Monna Ry (talk) 23:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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From London

St. Paul's Cathedral...
Merry Christmas, 4meter4, and a very happy new year! Voceditenore

More from London :). Congratulations on your new house and the concert! I've provisionally sorted out the Richard Cowan kerfuffle and left a note on the article talk page and on my own. It looks like either he, or someone associated with him, had a go at "expanding" the article in 2012 and made a suitable hash of it. All the best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Falsetto

I don't have any objection to your removing the list of singers from falsetto (and I didn't add any of them myself), since the list is pretty useless information, but they aren't really OR in the sense that each of the linked pages describes the singer in question as using their falsetto voice; I have been monitoring additions to that list and culling ones whose pages don't mention the term. —Wahoofive (talk) 19:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S. there's some wiki syntax problem with the barnstar below; I originally put this note at the bottom but it got included in the box. —Wahoofive (talk) 19:31, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts!

		The Original Barnstar
		Your name came up on a Wikipediocracy thread about solid content writers who don't get the credit they deserve and I just wanted to drop by and do a little of that. Thanks for your work on behalf of The Project! Carrite (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Voice type

I figured since they both had fairly fleshed out articles they should be part of the template, in my experience there are some very specific bass-baritone roles, and plenty of singers who consider themselves a bass-baritone. The basso profoundo is a totally different type of singing altogether too. Aaron Bruce (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that many singers identify themselves with a particular fach and its associated roles. However, this template is meant to direct readers to the main voice types, and not sub-types. If you look at the bass (voice type) and baritone articles, there are a plethora of sub types (basso profundo and bass-baritone only being two of such sub-types). Let's not overburden this template by muddying the waters, otherwise we will soon have a massive and confusing template to the general reader with every sub-type imaginable. For example, soprano would expand to dramatic soprano, lyric coloratura soprano, dramatic coloratura soprano, spinto soprano, full lyric soprano, light lyric soprano, soubrette, etc. Further, some of these sub-types are not used universally, but the main voice types are. Ultimately, I think it better serves the reader to be directed to these broader pages. 4meter4 (talk) 23:58, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Bluebeard's Castle

This might be of interest to you: http://artsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/11/correcting-wikipedia-on-bartok-bluebeards-castle.html/ It's an article about an uncited claim that appears to have been inserted into the article by one of your accounts, if I am reading the edit history correctly. Gamaliel (talk) 16:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Boston Early Music Festival's Psyché.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Boston Early Music Festival's Psyché.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you object to the listing for any reason. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Hochschule für Musik Saar

Thank you! Very useful. The name dates from 2002, we can't claim that someone born 1933 studied at the Hochschule für Musik Saar, - I typically use Musikhochschule Saarbrücken in such cases, which was possibly never an official name, but practical ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

portraits of opera singers as people
Thank you for quality articles, presenting opera singers of past and present not only as performers but also as human beings, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (24 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Four years ago, you were recipient no. 48 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for Brenda Rae, - heard her yesterday as Sonnambula, which was a great joy! She sings as a guest now in Frankfurt, but I couldn't find out (yet) how long she was part of the ensemble. - Today Cathinka Buchwieser, plenty of opera red links, - we'll never finish ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Eight years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Falstaff

I note your "semi-retired" banner, but I wonder if I can interest you in the FAC for Verdi's Falstaff? I had been working on the article on and off in collaboration with Viva-Verdi (John Webber), who, as you know, died in March. This FAC is by way of being my personal tribute to him, and any suggestions for polishing it further would be particularly gladly received. – Tim riley talk 12:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: Far from Heaven (musical)

Thank you for creating this article. I added it to Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2015/Results, which records LGBT-related articles created during the month of June as part of the annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign. If you happen to create or improve other LGBT-related articles this month, feel free to update this Results page accordingly. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Cleopatra and Caesar (painting)

Hi. Thanks for your DYK review of Cleopatra and Caesar (painting). Can you please amend your review to note that 1) it was moved from User:Viriditas/Cleopatra and Caesar (painting) to mainspace on June 2, 2015, and expanded 5x until 8 June with 5416 characters (883 words) "readable prose size"?[1][2] You will also need to note in your review whether the article is 2) neutral, 3) cites sources with inline citations, 4) is free of close paraphrasing, copyright violations, and plagiarism, and note whether the hook is in the 5) appropriate format (163 words), is 6) interesting, accurate, neutral, and cited inline, and note whether the 7) QPQ checks out (Shetland sheep), and if the 8) image is free to use. Please check to see if these things are true and if so, note them in the review. Your current review does not evaluate for this DYK criteria, and I'm afraid your review will prevent my hook from ever reaching the queue. In order to meet the guidelines, the hook and article must be reviewed for these things. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

History

Thank you for a factual comment on the opera Joseph. I really should have looked up the contributor. There is a lot of history behind the exchange, which you possibly missed, but you didn't miss much, example pictured. If the arbitrators had followed your thinking (and mine: why duplicate the bottom navbox by a side navbox?) things would have turned out differently. I was late to infoboxes and will probably never understand why they are treated so differently from other features helping a topic, such as images, maps, tables etc. Why is an image "added", while an infobox is "imposed"? - Anyway, The Rite of Spring was mentioned in the 2013 example, a FA with a lot of debate then, which has an infobox now, as FA Carmen, as all operas by Verdi and almost all by Wagner, - changing slowly but changing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

I am happy to report that your wishes for Theater Augsburg and Musikhochschule Mannheim have been started, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Josephine Lucchese

Thank you for adding more info to Josephine Lucchese. Great to see someone else is interested in her. Someone could potentially move more pictures to Wikimedia Commons with a category and possibly a few recordings (I am not sure).Zigzig20s (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a great idea and thanks for creating the article. Pics and recordings are not my expertise though. Happy to help with content though.4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw could you please in-line the Cuba info you added? Usually I try to in-line every sentence, because it makes it far less confusing once other editors want to expand the page but keep the correct references in place.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:17, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. I'm finished with my expansion. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. You found a lot! I will create her father's page over the weekend. Incidentally, if you are interested in opera, it would be great to work on opera companies and vocalists from the Southern US.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I have been an active member of WP:WikiProject Opera for many years. I write articles on opera singers regularly. I discovered your article because I check User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult regularly. I knew about Lucchese because of her work in Philadelphia. The history of opera in Philadelphia and New York City is an area of interest for me. I contribute regularly to articles on singers who have been active in those cities. I am happy to help you with any future projects, but have a huge bucket list of articles on my create list. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful. I wonder if we could find anything about the Antebellum South. Or more on Cuba prior to the revolution. Basically I am interested in details and "lost societies". There is probably a lot to uncover from opera.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

There is a lot of history at the New Orleans Opera and there is an article titled Opera in Atlanta. New Orleans has a rich and well documented opera history. Other than that, I am not aware of any major opera companies/ opera houses in the south during that era (and I have read enough on singers from the era to know that there wasn't another major company in the South). There was a penchant for opera houses to be built in cities in the south. But these "opera houses" hosted a wide variety of entertainments such as vaudeville acts. When operas were performed in the South (except for New Orleans), they were almost exclusively performed by touring companies (often European in origin) who popped in for a US tour (during the off-season when the European opera houses were not running productions) and then returned home. Eventually Americans formed there own touring opera companies at the end of 19th century/early 20th century like the San Carlo Opera Company (the most successful and longest lasting US touring company), but these companies were based out of cities with a long history of opera like New York, Boston, Chicago, and San Francisco. It wasn't until the mid 20th century that a movement towards home grown opera in the South took root. This article on the history of opera in Texas is fairly representative of opera in the south during this era. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Btw, Josephine could be a good candidate for DYK, if you are interested. I don't know how to assess other articles to have access to it though.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

There is a Good Faith assumption at DYK for cited references that are offline or behind a pay wall. That said, in my experience it's best to write a hook that is supported by a source accessible to anyone online. I have no interest in nominating it myself, but I am ok with you doing so. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK is a nightmare to make it go through. Btw, are you interested in creating articles about those red links you added please? I can't sleep and so I've created her father's page.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes I am interested.4meter4 (talk) 05:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Bach singers

Thanks for your attention for singers created to fill the red links here. I met Mr. Brutscher once who was scheduled to be the Evangelist for our St. Matthew but realized in rehearsal that his voice wasn't up to it because of a cold. I remember Max van Egmond telephoning tenors he knew for replacement (open rehearsal same day!) on an open telephone booth on the street ;) - He found Max Ciolek but not for the open rehearsal, - the conductor was the Evangelist, on top of conducting the work for the first time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome.What a good story. Glad something worked out in the end. Can't imagine conducting and singing the Evangelist at the same time.4meter4 (talk) 22:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

It was tough, even when no conducting is needed while singing the recitative, - the continuo should follow the singer anyway. Thre conductor sometimes walks away when soloists sing their arias, feeling that conducting only disturbs ;) - For the last Bach concert (Mass in B minor, pictured), we had a terrific orchestra, - the keyboard player switched from harpsichord to organ, playing the concert from a facsimile of the autograph! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Summer note

Hi 4meter4, just a note to say I'm off to Italy for a month. I'll probably check in at the OP once in a while, though. If we don't "talk" before I get back, have a great summer and tanti auguri for your MA and your performances. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Voceditenore! Enjoy your much deserved vacation. I know you will be basking in the delights of Tuscany. Are you going to the Festival Puccini while you are there? Please eat some decadent meals for me.4meter4 (talk) 21:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

William Johns

Hi 4meter4. I could knock up a viable stub on him tomorrow, unless you're planning to do it. Just let know. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

That would be great! Thank you.4meter4 (talk) 18:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Okey-dokey. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, 4meter4, for your cogent input. Eavesdrop away: I'm still figuring out Wikipedia. Gratefully yours, Ijmusic (talk) 12:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Music Theory Project

Is the project still active? If not, or you simply are unable to run it I would not mind taking over responsibilities. If you are still active then great, I am glad to be a part of the team! I have seen zero activity since I have joined the project so this is the only reason I ask this question. --Xavier (talk) 10:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I stepped away from the project a long time ago. I haven't been running things for years. By all means assume a leadership role. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@4meter4: Hooray!! I am so glad to hear it! I am really amped about getting this project up and running again. Thank you! On that note, do you still wish to be an active member? Or shall I move you to the inactive list? I wish to keep that list always as a reminder.

--Xavier (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I have already re-enlisted the project into the parent project WP:WPMU. It was in danger of being removed!

--Xavier (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep me as active. I am more involved with WikiProject Opera and WikiProject Composer projects in terms of content writing, but I may be able to assist every now and then with the theory project. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Will do had already planned on it. ) --Xavier (talk) 11:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

BTW you are not in the list of members. Not sure if I am allowed to add you.--Xavier (talk) 11:55, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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David Roth

Hi- I found an obituary for David Roth that I added as an external link to the article. There is some confusion as to where David Roth graduated from college. One obituary said: University of Wisconsin. This would be the flagship university of Wisconsin-University of Wisconsin–Madison. However, the obituary I added said David Roth went to University of Wisconsin–La Crosse. I hope you can use the obituary for the article. Many thanksRFD (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

For approving Template:Did you know nominations/Seoul Lantern Festival. The students certainly appreciated it, and the student who wrote it was beaming throughout the class after I showed the reader statistics :) --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

David Roth-Viroqua High School

Hi-I expanded the David Roth article using the Louisville Courier Journal obituary as a citation. Roth graduated from Viroqua High School in 1977 and I included that in the Roth article. I also added David Roth to the notable alumni in the Viroqua High School article with the obituary used as a citation. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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happy holidays

May you have very Happy Holidays, 4Meter4,

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Arthur Davies

Just dropping by to say thank you for your life-saving edits to that article. I'll look in when I have had a bit of time to rummage for a bit more material. Davies was a good actor as well as a reliable tenor; I enjoyed his performances at Covent Garden and I'm glad to see his article surviving. Tim riley talk 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome. I was completely unfamiliar with him until I stumbled upon the extremely short article on him.4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

2016 year of the reader and peace

2016

peace bell

Thank you for for all you do for opera, especially its singers, - thanks with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! Click on bell for celebratory music! - I archived 2015, but not your 2 requests, will do eventually ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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John Dudley (tenor)

Thanks for the message. Sorry, I don't have time to create this article. Here is something that may help you get started -- this site has already been used in many Wikipedia articles and has survived FA review: [3]. Here's a wedding notice. Here are lots of photos of him. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yvonne Ciannella

I found the soprano in old programs. Could you perhaps dig up more. An article was once deleted, I don't know on what sources, so am a bit unsure how much to use from there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for digging up all those NYT articles! In the Creation: did she sing only Gabriel or also Eve? (In other words: was there another soprano?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome, although that was the easy part. Finding the Panama City News Herald article with her education background took considerably more time to find. Eve was sung by soprano Louise Natale.4meter4 (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Special thanks then for Panama! I saw a website with personal detail such an age of 89 (but when?) - but didn't think it was a RS. Professional solo singing in 1951 gives you an idea anyway ;) - I remember that the Donizetti was in 1964 still unusual repertory but wouldn't know how to source that. (A little later, Anna Bolena was re-discovered at the Deutsche Oper am Rhein, with Teresa Żylis-Gara - also from Dortmund.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

She actually was a featured soloist on a recording released in Decemeber 1950 with the RSC and I found an article covering a performance of hers while a student at Queens performing in Elijah in 1948. My assumption would be that she graduated somewhere between 1948-1950 at about the age of 22; so we are looking for a 1926-1928 year of birth I would guess.4meter4 (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

peoplebyname says July 1926 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Update DYK preps

First of all many thanks. Second of all, as I noticed you are updating the oldest entries first, you may not be aware of Template:Did you know nominations/An Open Letter to Honey Singh sitting at the bottom of the nominations page. Regards, Jolly Ω Janner 19:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

AfD of Interest

As you previously were involved in this article, specifically through DYK review and/or promotion, I am alerting you to this AfD which may be of interest. LavaBaron (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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Alto

My language problem, sorry. Ich singe Alt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

		The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Thank you for creating numerous high-quality musician articles. Please accept this token of appreciation. You're a great asset to Wikipedia! Zanhe (talk) 00:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Tamara Wilson

On 27 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tamara Wilson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Tamara Wilson won the Richard Tucker Award, "one of the most prestigious prizes in opera"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tamara Wilson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tamara Wilson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Two sisters

What do you think of sisters Carlotta Marchisio and Barbara Marchisio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gerda and 4meter4! I think they're very sweet. I've turned them blue . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

That is very sweet ;) - One tenor is not even red yet, - anything about Ernest Nicolas who sang in the first public performance of Rossini's last opera? Do we know where that was performed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. He already has an article under his stage name Ernesto Nicolini. I've created a redirect from his birth name. I'll have a look for the venue. Voceditenore (talk) 04:49, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Peter Allen

Hi, thanks for the message. Sad news even though he was 96! He was truly great at what he did. There is actually a WP on Allen already. Peter Allen (US broadcaster). Cheers, Markhh (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Toledo Opera

Hi! Reading your article Toledo Opera I have seen that in the second paragraph there is an error in a line that contains these words "That same year the company played a major role in opera......". I would translate in Italian but the note is damaged. May you repair the line and tell it to me please? Thank you! --Brunokito (talk) 06:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for the help with the article, it's much appreciated :) fish&karate 14:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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I'm immensely grateful for your kindness and support, and for all the effort that you've been putting into trying to make Wikipedia more accepting of articles like mine. That a real musician thinks them worth preserving is the greatest compliment imaginable.Niggle1892 (talk) 20:20, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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I thought it would be, and that's a very good outcome of this AfD. I'ved added some cats to the article. Perhaps you could review my proposed deletion at Swedish Section of International Association of Theatre Critics, which now I think can be safely redirected to the entry you've created? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hi! Sadly, I am not an admin and I just NAC relisted it seeing your vote with sources. I think you should go to WP:Administrators noticeboard since the closing admin, Tone, didn't close the AfD while deleting the article, so it seems like a mistake. Either that or go to WP:DRV. Before your vote, he deleted and closed the AfD then restored the article and reverted the close. So odd. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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Richard Strauss

Hi! I changed some of the subheadings on the Strauss article to be more concise, they seemed a little unnecessarily long before, let me know what you think. I had a couple things I thought I'd run by you, since you've added so much to the article.

1. The subheadings: Operas with Joseph Gregor and work to save his Jewish daughter-in-law and Metamorphosen and apprehension by USA troops still seem really long I'm not sure how to shorten these, any ideas?

2. I moved around the legacy section to put in a more prominent place, let me know what you think of that.

3. Are the years for each subheading necessary? A lot of composer articles don't have them and since the overlap quite a bit, I thought it might make sense to not have them.

4. The final paragraph of the Early life and career section, (starting with "In the Summer...") seems like it could be moved to the beginning next section. (Fame and Success with Operas) What do you think?

Thanks! Aza24 (talk) 22:15, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi — I saw that you downgraded the rating of Maaria Eira from C to Start. I'm not disputing that, I'm just curious to know on what basis? I rated the article using the Rater tool, which predicted (and still does) C rating, so I just went with that, but you clearly feel differently? Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. Using the scale for WikiProject Opera, the word "substantial" in requirement C is the issue. Please see other opera singer articles in Category:C-Class Opera articles and compare them to to Category:Start-Class Opera articles. The coverage in the Maaria Eira is very minimal (just 2200 characters of text) with major gaps in her career. A mere three sentences dedicated to her work in opera, and a few additional sentences covering her work in film and directing is not a C article. It's a clear start article. For comparison, see these C rated opera singer articles (I just pulled the first few in the cat) which are further along in development with much higher text counts and greater detail in actual performance information: Emma Abbott Theo Adam, Eunice Alberts. You should expect to see a list of major roles in a C article with years sung and opera houses performed at (ie not just a generic statement about what kind of literature they sang, but details with operas, roles, dates, and places). The place of her opera debut should be in the article, the theaters she worked at, the roles she sang there, etc. Even if she just sang at one theater a list of roles should be there, and also a year of retirement from the stage and retirement from directing. There's also no assessment of her work as an artist. What did the voice sound like? what was the critical reaction? In other words, in order to be a C class article there needs to some greater development than what is found here. Obviously C Class articles are not going to be completely developed either, but its about stages of development. If you want understand how the scale is applied, I suggest looking at the rating cats to compare article qualities. You will start to see patterns emerge in how articles get assessed. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for making the effort to explain all that, very interesting. So are you saying that the requirements for a C rating, as you've outlined them, are specific to the Opera project (which implies that different projects have different criteria)? In which case, why did you re-rate the article as Start for all projects? Or are you saying that the criteria are more or less uniform across all projects, but that the Rater tool is producing consistently incorrect, or at best unreliable, ratings? Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I am saying the rater tool is producing consistently incorrect and unreliable ratings. Rater tools can't analyze content for substance, as ratings involve making critical judgments about content (something rater tools can't do) in relation to the subject of the article. The C rating criteria word "substantial" is a consistent term across WikiProjects (see the scales with identical language at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Assessment; Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment; Wikipedia:WikiProject Finland/Assessment; Wikipedia:Content assessment; Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History/Assessment. One would assume the opera project, whose editors consistently edit, watch, and create articles on opera singers and utilize reference works on opera singers, would be the most knowledgeable editors to determine what substantial coverage on an opera singer article looks like. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I fully agree — undoubtedly those focused on a subject matter, in this case opera, will be the best judges of the quality (or otherwise) of an article within their domain.

I will keep in mind your point about the Rater tool's limitations. Although quite where that leaves editors like myself, who don't particularly specialise in any subject, yet still have a need occasionally to rate articles, I'm not sure. Unless you have better suggestions, I will probably continue using the tool, and if someone subsequently comes along and wants to re-rate the article, like you did, then I at least now understand better why that might be. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about rating the articles at all. Nobody is forcing assessment as a task on to you. I personally never rate the articles I create, because the whole point of assessment is to have other editors knowledgable in a content area view and review the quality of an article to guide future editing/improvements. I add banners but leave the assessments blank because I want other editors to view and review what I have done (even in areas where I am highly knowledgeable). When you leave a banner unrated its in an unrated cat for the WikiProject, which means someone from the project who patrols that category (such as Category:Unassessed Opera articles) will eventually getaround to look at and rate the article. One of the problems with rater tools is the assessments don't actually mean anything. A machine arbitrarily rates the article based on character count, infobox material existing in the article, and citation template inclusion without actually evaluating the words themselves or the sources for quality, completeness, accuracy, neutrality, etc. A machine assessment doesn't add anything of value to the editing community. Assessing myself is also not as valuable as getting input from other editors. Having other humans actually assess quality does mean something, both to you the article creator, and to the editing community at large who can use article rating categories to focus their attention on articles that need improving in content areas that interest them.

All of this to say, if you don't think you are knowledgeable enough to assess an article than don't. Leave that to other editors who are confident in a given content area (which is why assessments are attached to WikiProjects with knowledgeable editors presumably working in those projects). If you do feel competent to assess, than do. Ultimately you should ask yourself why does wikipedia have assessments? what makes them valuable to wikipedia? How is the assessment I am giving helping other editors improve the encyclopedia? I hope this helps you. Remember we edit as a community and we give what we have to offer. You created a nice start article at Maaria Eira. You should be proud. If you want to improve it and learn how to research in opera, I suggest joining WP:WikiProject Opera. We are a very active, helpful, and supportive community. Our editors are great at connecting people to research resources, advising on where to find quality material to source articles, and collaborating on articles. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again for your helpful comments. When I was first starting out with creating articles, I was told by a reviewer that I should make sure to rate them, so have tried to remember to do that since. That said, I didn't realise there was the option of just adding the template without the rating, which seems like a sensible approach, so I will try that for a change — thanks for the tip! As for joining the opera project, I will certainly look into that; I'm what you might describe as an uneducated enthusiast, so won't have much to offer, I don't think, but always happy to hang around more knowledgeable editors. :) Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome. I'd love to know who that reviewer was that advised you to rate your own work. I'd want to have a conversation with that person about giving bad editing advice not based in written policy, and a larger conversation about the purpose and use of assessment within wikipedia. If you actually read Wikipedia:Content assessment, it clearly states "quality assessments are mainly performed by participants in WikiProjects", meaning assessments are generally done by editors actively involved in a particular project who are familiar with editing in a particular area and with community engagement in that area across the encyclopedia. While there are no rules preventing anyone from assessing articles, ultimately assessment is only valuable if the person doing the assessing actually knows what they are doing (i.e. have some experience with the content across the encyclopedia). Assessment isn't really something I would be pushing editors into who haven't actually joined a WikiProject, and spent some time working in a particular area, as assessment is specifically tied to WikiProject communities.4meter4 (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

What you say makes a lot of sense, now that you mention it — the rating should be done from a position of expertise or at least insight, not casual observation, let alone automated evaluation. Had I stopped to think about it, that might have occurred to me, but I didn't so it didn't. I'm glad this came up now, though (better late than never!), even if the discussion did end up taking over a large chunk of your talk page real estate.

On a different but related topic (and apologies for occupying even more of your space), having looked again at the content assessment guidelines you pointed to, I do think there is something of an issue in the way several different dimensions of article quality are wrapped up in a single rating: completeness, quality of writing, layout, quality and quantity of referencing, and possibly other factors as well — that is quite a lot to take into account. And what happens when an article does well on some of those dimensions, but less well on others? To some extent these may even be mutually exclusive: for example, I try to make sure that every material statement I include in an article is supported by a citation of a reliable source, which means I almost inevitably end up leaving out things that could and should be included, because I cannot find a source to support them — so the end result may be strong on referencing, but weak on completeness. Anyway, that's a debate I'm happy to leave to those in the know, which distinctly does not include me. Thanks once more, this has been illuminating. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

There is no need to apologize. I’ve had much longer conversations than this one in my many years of editing. This is what talk pages are for. I absolutely agree with your observations, and the issues with the current assessment rubric in use. Currently there is far too much ambiguity in the existing tool, but that is partly due to the fact that creating a standard tool to use encyclopedia wide is difficult, and let’s face it simplicity is faster and easier. I personally would like to see a more detailed rubric where instead of having a single description of each level, we have multiple areas of grading. We could grade on multiple indicators: sourcing (quality of references and inline citations and proper format), thoroughness of content coverage on topic (are there key pieces of content missing or not covered thoroughly?), layout/design (use of infobox, images, structure of headings, etc), prose (grammar, logical flow, etc), etc. A score could be given for each area (with certain areas like content coverage being weighted more heavily) in order to assess the article. Assessment must privilege content thoroughness (substance) over style, as you can have a well written article (in terms of grammar and structure) with great references that has huge gaps in essential content. As it stands, we have the tool that we have, and it’s really up to each WikiProject to try and implement it as consistently as possible.4meter4 (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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The article David March was moved to David March (actor) which shouldn't have been done per WP:ONEOTHER. I had moved the article on a minor rugby athllete to David March (rugby league) prior to creating the article on the actor, and had properly included a hat note per disambiguation policy. I don't think there is any question that the actor is the more prominent figure, given his lengthy career and award win. I'd appreciate the article being moved back to David March. Thanks in advance for assistance.4meter4 (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

A reviewing admin will probably want to look at this discussion - it would appear a disputed consideration over primary. This half-way house of nothing being at the primary name obviously shouldn't persist. An RM is mentioned but doesn't appear on either talk page, but would be the logical port of call at this point. An admin help request like this is unlikely to be the best method of resolution. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, at the time of the request User:Fleet hadnt' disputed the move. I have started a move proposal at Talk:David March (actor).4meter4 (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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DYK review

Hi 4meter4,

This is a pretty minor point, and I hope this doesn't raise fears of bogging down DYKN in bureaucracy, but FWIW, I was the one who was reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/Space industry of India and doing some reading on the topic. I'd really rather Aman.kumar.goel have responded to my "is this alt acceptable" question before charging forward with the approve. Lastly, I kind of hope that you aren't doing this just to harvest a QPQ - I was kind of planning on having this be a QPQ myself, having put in some effort in critiquing the source and suggesting an alt. Not gonna roll back your approve or anything, just wanted to mention it.

Usual disclaimer, it's not a big deal, sometimes old noms get stalled and need fresh blood to kick it, so I respect the move in if you thought it was stuck. SnowFire (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

SnowFire Apologies, I didn’t mean to jump the gun on you. I was just pitching in to try and clear the back log. I have several extra noms, so it wasn’t for a QPQ. You are welcome to take credit for that review as a donated one from me (although sense you contributed to the review processes, I still think you can claim it...) Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

No worries, thanks. And yes, I've done the same thing sometimes when there's a really multi-months old nom sitting in the backlog, albeit usually with the bad cop "trash this nom hat" - this case was just unusual in that it was waiting on the copyedit so still potentially good to go, while the average ancient nom is ancient for a reason, that it's something radioactively controversial or biased or hard to source but nobody's willing to give an outright reject. SnowFire (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for He Who Gets Slapped

On 23 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article He Who Gets Slapped, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Russian writer Leonid Andreyev's 1915 play He Who Gets Slapped was his most successful work in the US, spawning a silent film (1924), a novel, and an opera (1956)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/He Who Gets Slapped. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, He Who Gets Slapped), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for He Who Gets Slapped (opera)

On 23 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article He Who Gets Slapped (opera), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Russian writer Leonid Andreyev's 1915 play He Who Gets Slapped was his most successful work in the US, spawning a silent film (1924), a novel, and an opera (1956)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/He Who Gets Slapped. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, He Who Gets Slapped (opera)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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wild garlic

Thank you for a rich hook! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Today: Charmes recorded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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On 27 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Florence Kimball, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Leontyne Price described her relationship with voice teacher Florence Kimball as "the most important relationship of my life. Like sex it was pure chemistry"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Florence Kimball. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Florence Kimball), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mazhar-ul-Islam

Hi. I hope you are well. You are invited to participate at this AFD discussion as you are active in these type of discussions. If there are more participants, then it will be easier to get clear consensus. Hope, you will participate. Thanks and Have a nice day. — A.A Prinon  ^Conversation 11:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Bertha Belmore

On 2 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bertha Belmore, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that actress Bertha Belmore starred in the Ziegfeld Follies of 1925 with W. C. Fields and Will Rogers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bertha Belmore. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bertha Belmore), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Florence Kirk

On 4 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Florence Kirk, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Florence Kirk's temperamental fit over her costume as Lady Macbeth led to the professional debut of opera star Regina Resnik who replaced her? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Florence Kirk. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Florence Kirk), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for a steady flow of singer biographies! Today, I have one pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

New message from Narutolovehinata5

Hello, 4meter4. You have new messages at Template:Did you know nominations/Steve Cherry.
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DYK for Patricia Bowman

On 11 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Patricia Bowman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that critic Jack Anderson described Patricia Bowman as "the first American ballerina to win critical acclaim and wide popularity as a classical and a musical-theater dancer"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Patricia Bowman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Patricia Bowman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Annamary Dickey

On 23 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Annamary Dickey, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that because of her striking beauty and sense of high fashion, soprano Annamary Dickey was dubbed the "Glamour Girl of the Met" in 1949? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Annamary Dickey. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Annamary Dickey), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Joyce Mathis

On 1 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joyce Mathis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Joyce Mathis won the Marian Anderson Award in 1967 and the Young Concert Artists singing competition in 1968? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joyce Mathis. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Joyce Mathis), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Max Liebling

Hello! Your submission of Max Liebling at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

citations and style

Hello! Thanks for creating and expanding so many articles. A couple minor formatting quibbles. You seem to use the generic {{cite work}}: this tends to make magazine and newspaper references look like books (italics and quotation marks are off). More specific templates like {{cite news}}, {{cite magazine}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite web}}, etc. give more standard appearances. These can be nicely and easily generated using the RefToolbar or VisualEditor, often by simply pasting a URL, ISBN, DOI, etc. (which also creates a convenience link for easier verifiability). Also, footnotes for uncontroversial/undisputed statements generally don't need to be placed in the lead or infobox, since these summarize information that is (or that should be) in the body (see MOS:LEADCITE & WP:INFOBOXREF). Also, per MOS:BIRTHPLACE, places of birth or death may be mentioned in the lead if warranted, but should not be in the opening brackets alongside birth and death dates. And for date ranges, an en dash should be used rather than a hyphen, thus 1900–1950 rather than 1900-1950. Lastly, for show business related biographies, external link templates like {{IMDB name}}, {{IBDB name}}, etc. give more uniform appearances, and can buffer against link rot. Cheers, and happy editing! --Animalparty! (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I use the old version of editing on wikipedia, as that is what I am used to and prefer. As such I don't have access to the RefToolbar or VisualEditor. I will consider what you have said on the templates. That I think I can manage. As for IMDB, I get frustrated with those templates because most of the time they link to the wrong page when I try to use them. Best.4meter4 (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Leonard Liebling

On 4 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leonard Liebling, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that concert pianist, composer, and opera librettist Leonard Liebling was the editor-in-chief of the Musical Courier from 1911 to 1945? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leonard Liebling. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Leonard Liebling), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Estelle Liebling

On 4 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Estelle Liebling, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Estelle Liebling, the voice teacher of Beverly Sills and Meryl Streep, performed in more than 1600 concerts with John Philip Sousa and his band? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Estelle Liebling. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Estelle Liebling), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ronald Graham (actor)

On 7 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ronald Graham (actor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ronald Graham, a star in the original Broadway casts of musicals by Rodgers and Hart, Cole Porter, and Arthur Schwartz, began his career in radio after winning a national singing contest in 1931? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ronald Graham (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ronald Graham (actor)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Karla Burns for ITN:RD

Hello, 4meter4. Please be encouraged to nominate this wikiarticle so well updated and cleaned up by you for Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

PFHLai Thank you so much for the suggestion and kind words. I put in a nomination. I've never nominated for in the new before so I hope I did it properly. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for putting in the nomination so quickly, 4meter4. To be honest, I don't think Burns would qualify for a blurb. That's for heads of states or other people with a higher profile. A link to her wikibio would certainly be good for the list of names beneath the bullet-points on ITN. It doesn't hurt to ask, though. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Billy Budd (play)

On 8 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Billy Budd (play), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Robert Chapman and Louis O. Coxe's play Billy Budd (title role pictured), adapted from a novel by Herman Melville, won the Donaldson Award and the Outer Critics Circle Award for Best Play in 1951? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Billy Budd (play). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Billy Budd (play)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Chapman (playwright)

On 8 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert Chapman (playwright), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Robert Chapman and Louis O. Coxe's play Billy Budd (title role pictured), adapted from a novel by Herman Melville, won the Donaldson Award and the Outer Critics Circle Award for Best Play in 1951? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Billy Budd (play). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Robert Chapman (playwright)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Karla Burns

On 8 June 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Karla Burns, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

David Colville Anderson

Saw your request on the Wikiproject Scotland page. Struggled to find much but came across:

• https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp75886/david-colville-anderson - gives year but not specific date.
• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149292392/david-colville-anderson - find a grave (however WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL ?).

LordHarris (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

LordHarris Thank you for looking. I had not seen the national gallery entry, and I had already views the FINDAGRAVE, but agree it's not usable. Unfortunately, the national gallery is not specific enough to really be of use in the way Deaths in 1995 is structured. I appreciate you trying, and you have confirmed the difficulty of sourcing this content.4meter4 (talk) 16:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Blake (actor)

On 16 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Arthur Blake (actor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that actor Arthur Blake was famous for his female impersonations of Bette Davis, Carmen Miranda, and Eleanor Roosevelt? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur Blake (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Arthur Blake (actor)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Tomlinson Hall

On 18 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tomlinson Hall, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Indianapolis's Tomlinson Hall (pictured) was destroyed by fire on January 30, 1958, allegedly after a pigeon dropped a lit cigarette on the roof of the building? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tomlinson Hall. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Tomlinson Hall), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Wothdrawing AFDs

Please follow closing instructions at WP:AFDCLOSE. I have fixed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amir Angwe and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Appleyard (footballer) for you. GiantSnowman 10:44, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks

Thank you for articles on performers and plays in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Colette D'Arville

On 26 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Colette D'Arville, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rosa Ponselle blamed Metropolitan Opera star Giovanni Martinelli's poor singing on his love affair with French soprano and actress Colette D'Arville? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Colette D'Arville. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Colette D'Arville), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Removed entry

I see that you moved this article here Namik Haluk Baskinci from the list of unsolved murders. You say the article is a hoax, but this person really did exist didn't he? Also interesting to note that the article was created over 10 years ago as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 18:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Davidgoodheart, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Namik Haluk Baskinci. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:35, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

He may not be notable, but the article says he was struck by lighting, which is a notable event. Davidgoodheart (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Davidgoodheart I am not interested in discussing this on my talk page. If you have any comments about notability please make them at the relevant discussion at the AFD linked above. Have a great day. 4meter4 (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Ewell

On 2 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Philip Ewell, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that music theorist Philip Ewell received "anti-Black statements and personal ad hominem attacks" following his claim that Western music theory is shaped by a "white racial frame"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Philip Ewell. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Philip Ewell), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Michael Coudrey

Hi, you recently added this note to my articles deletion discussion as a tag next to my username: "(Note: User:JalenPhotos2 has made few edits outside of the Michael J Coudrey article and this AFD and made their first edit at 12:44, 24 May 2021 (see here: [1] and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JalenPhotos2))" I am requesting you correct this, specifically the part where is says I've made few edits outside of my Michael Coudrey article. I have made over 100+ edits and some to highly viewed articles that stuck, such as on John McAfee and others. I also feel like your allegation and subsequent notes will improperly manipulate the conversation and impact organic community consensus, which is not fair to my good faith edits and discussion. JalenPhotos2 (talk) 16:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)