Talk:Iranian Americans

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The poll was only conducted with 400 people

Only 400 people took the poll you cannot apply it to all iranian americans. Arsi786 (talk) 08:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

• "(...) you cannot apply it to all iranian americans."

According to whom? - LouisAragon (talk) 11:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I think the OP has a point, although I've worked too much on copy editing the display of the results to want to see it removed. To rely on one (privately commissioned?) poll with such a small sample—instead of, say, official census data—does seem dubious. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I quote, page 15:

The survey was conducted between March 5th–6th, 2012 and is based on successful interviews in English with a representative sample of 400 Iranian American respondents. Zogby Research Services working with jzanalytics, conducted the survey employing sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. Up to four calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of the methodologies that are approved by the American Association for Public Opinion Research and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies. Cooperation rates (in this case, 31.2%) are calculated using one of AAPOR’s approved methodologies. The margin of error for the results of this survey is +/-5 percentage points, which is an acceptable margin of error for a survey of this type. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups. Based on a confidence interval of 95%, the margin of error for 400 is +/-5.0 percentage points. This means that all other things being equal, the identical survey repeated will have results within the margin of error 95 times out of 100.

Unless it can be proven (with WP:RS) that the PAAIA (Public Affairs Alliance of Iranian Americans) and/or Zogby Research Services are partisan, biased or discredited in peer-reviewed reports I don't see any reason to remove the content from the infobox. - LouisAragon (talk) 10:42, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Polls involve mathematical extrapolation; and a series of polls, all conducted with equal rigor, are likely to yield a variety of results. You cannot take a poll, no matter how carefully done, and put it on the level of census data, something that is official (i.e. to be taken much more seriously by respondents) and inclusive of so many more people. And we have only one poll taken at one time. I won't try to move it unless there's consensus, but I suggest it would be more appropriate in the body of the article. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

polls only allow us to obtain estimations with a margin of error. The less people you have in the poll sample, the greater the margin of error is. A poll done with a sample comprising 400 people will have a margin of error of roughly 5% while a poll done with a sample comprising 1000 people will have a margin of error of roughly 3%. There is no evidence here that the poll was not achieved "carefully" (btw, the only thing that matters when doing a poll is to chose a representative sample).---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I am not requesting that you remove the polls information entirely from the wiki page and if you did look into the reference you would know its mainly concentrated in the los angeles area and they conducted phone interviews while going through phonebooks and calling people with iranian surnames all I am saying there are over 200,000 ~ 1 million iranians living in the usa and your taking a poll conducted by only 400 iranians and applying it to every single iranian in the country all I was requesting that you remove the statistic numbers from the infobox and leave the poll as it is in the religion section of the page. Arsi786 (talk) 13:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Again, you just don't understand what a poll is ! A poll is not intended to be done with 200000-1000000 persons, this would be called a vote, not a poll. Trust me, you really need to read a math book about statistics (and i'm not saying that dismissively). Do you really think that when some institute makes a poll before an election in the USA, they just ask to the 250,000,000 potential voters for who they're going to vote ??? No, this is definitely not how things work, they chose a few hundred people to constitute a representative sample and they ask them for who they're going to vote. Then they calculate an interval with a margin of error in order to have an estimation.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:24, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

New Additions

Hello!

I am planning to make some additions to this Wiki Page using data from the Public Affairs Alliance of Iranian Americans 2019 survey. The reputable survey is administered by the Zogby Research Services group. Past versions of the PAAIA survey have already been utilized on this page, but I think the 2019 survey contains valuable new information on the Iranian American community that would further enhance this page. Overall, I will add 200-300 words.

I will add content about Iranian American opinions and fears on foreign policy and discrimination in recent years under the Trump administration under the “Politics” and the “Discrimination” sections. I will discuss how 75% of Iranian Americans surveyed by PAAIA view the Trump Administration’s Iranian foreign policy negatively (Zogby 10). Similarly, I will elaborate on the travel ban and how most Iranian American respondents in the survey oppose the travel ban, with 70% of respondents being personally affected or have family and friends affected by the ban (Zogby 10). Also, the current "Politics" section states that over half of Iranian Americans find domestic issues the most important, but the 2019 survey found that 50% of respondents considered foreign policy most important when voting (Zogby 7). I will also add that in 2016, over half of respondents voted for Hillary Clinton and over half also plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020 (Zogby 7-8).

Additionally, I will amend the content in the “Ties to Iran” sub-section on the Wikipedia page. This subsections contain a lot of great information, but I think it would be a good idea to use updated data from the 2019 PAAIA survey. In this section I will add that in the 2019 survey, 41% of respondents said they contacted loved ones in Iran several times a week (Zogby 1). I will also add how 74% prefer phone calls, but also how communication over mobile communications apps and internet services has increased to 69% and 66% respectively (Zogby 3-4).

If anyone has any comments on my proposed changes please reach out here or on my Talk Page!

Thank you! Sabrinag20 (talk) 07:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Request of Revision

I have read the article about Iranian Americans and my first impression is that it is very biased. It based on incorrect assumptions, unprofessional material is used as a reference that reminds of the motive to increase the presence and "prestige" of Iranians in the USA artificially, not reflecting the actual situation properly.

Examples include, "Iranian Americans are among the most highly educated people in the United States." Iranians or Persians are not of western cultural heritage, while the main domain of education and intelligence origins in the white or European population, especially of British ancestry, as nearly all of the top elite universities in the United States were founded on the model and principles of elite universities in the United Kingdom. This claim can therefore not be justified.

Furthermore, the Wikipedia article states that 20 % of the population of Beverly Hills are of Persian ancestry. I do not believe this. Beverly Hills is a high society area. Persians and Iranians origin in 3rd world nations. I find it difficult to believe that 20 % of the population of one of the most wealthiest areas in the United States shall have 3rd world ancestry.

It seems to me that this article is more based on wish thinking, forcefully pushing Iranians and Persians into the high cultural society of those of white, British and other European ancestry. Especially in the context of historic technological, sociological and human evolution is this article in no way reflecting the reality of people with Persian or Iranian ancestry. Analphabetism, lack of access to basic education and it's development, lack of basic sanitation and other technological developments as well as especially lack of scientific development in the Persian culture alongside other underdeveloped civilian infrastructure areas cause Persians to receive through this article a completely misleading impression.

The most important part is the hostile religious, political, and affiliation allegiances, not just of Iran but of Iranians and Persians alike with a mentality for, convictions and believes in international terrorism, hate for Jews as well as the West.

It seems to me that the article is based on the life's of a few US Americans with Persian ancestry who want to declare their constellation in being of mixed western and Iranian origin that defines 0.0005 % or less of the Persian population who want to declare their origin as representative for 100 % of all Persians.

When then numbers and content suggests that Persians "build" or defined the modern United States reminds this simply of propaganda coming close to the insanity of Aryanism.

This article needs much more realism especially concerning Persian political, security and affiliation allegiances with terrorist affiliations on a cultural level.

These clarifications and revisions are necessary in order to have a Wikipedia article that truly represents the real situation.

This article must be revised to match more the Wikipedia article concerning Iran - United States relations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.12.72 (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE:

I have just found this statement "Research has furthermore indicated that Iranian-Americans who are Muslim are more open to intermarry than those who are members of religious or ethnic minorities, such as Jews and Armenian". Iranian Islamic Americans that are more open to marry non Iranian Moslems are more open than Jews to marry non Jews? This is Aryanism and anti Jewish propaganda reflecting in no way reality.

This article needs to be revised. It includes elements of Aryanism and Antisemitism using false scientific research data for claims that shall benefit Iranians and Islam on the cost of Jews especially suggesting that Jews are a minority in the United States but not Iranians or Moslems. The cultural impact of Iranians or Islam, except concerning the attacks of 11 September, is ridiculous compared to the cultural impact of Jews in the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.12.72 (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

You're right that the article is somewhat boosterish, but if phrases such as "among the most highly educated people" are supported by statistics, then we should allow it. Pointing out that a certain percentage living in Beverly Hills is one-sided if we don't point out the percentage living in lesser housing, but is that percentage wrong? Reading through your text, I see some over-generalizations of your own. Can you cite sources for your assessments? In short, what specific changes do you propose and what sources back up your assertions? Dhtwiki (talk) 19:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

This is some serious self-formulated WP:FORUM stuff, bordering WP:TENDENTIOUS. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

1,500,000 Iranian Americans probably false

I Highly doubt that this number is true, there is only a Iranian Source for that which is difficult to check. There are no way 1,500,000 Iranians in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sethgecko22 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Problem with Lede

First sentence presents Iranian and Persian as being equivalent: "Iranian Americans or Persian Americans". However these two words refer to distinct things. Persian: " 1 : one of the people of Persia: such as a : one of the ancient Iranians who under Cyrus and his successors founded an empire in southwest Asia b : a member of one of the peoples forming the modern Iranian nationality" Iranian: " 1 : a native or inhabitant of Iran"

Put more simply Persian is an ethnic group where as Iranian refers to a nationality. Thus you can be Persian but be from Afghanistan, or Tajikistan etc. And by the same token you can be Iranian but not Persian, which is the case for about 35-40% of the population of Iran, there are many Iranian Azeri Turks for example who are Iranian but not Persian. Thus since this article is about Iranian Americans I propose deleting Persian American in the lede. Or atleast not preseting Iranian American and Persian American as being equivalents. 189.6.251.47 (talk) 07:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)