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My post was removed and someone said I was trying to promote

I didn't want to promote but I was kinda explaining the account and I really only need my wiki thing up for at least 10 hours so I can get what I need to happen which is trying to get my Twitter verified somehow. I'm just 13 so you also can't expect a wiki paragraph that I write to look good OverLord Official (talk) 05:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

OverLord Official, we hope that paragraphs look good, but we don't demand it. After all, we can make them look good, if they say something worth saying. What you wrote in your sandbox read in part If anyone knows me and sees this then add anything that is NOT info at all. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some kind of "social media" proving ground or playground; any sensible 13- or 83-year-old knows the difference. -- Hoary (talk) 05:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

And don't ask the same question here and at Help. Duplication wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

General comment for anyone skimming the Teahouse. I'm not into Twitter, but I believe they suspended account verification for quite a while and are now re-introducing it. https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts says To receive the blue badge, your account must be authentic, notable, and active. ... Notable ... Companies, brands, and organizations: ... must meet 2 of the following [three] requirements: presence in public indices, including but not limited to ... stable Wikipedia articles that meet the encyclopedia’s notability standards, ... On one hand, it's nice that Twitter has some faith in us; on the other hand the extra criteria are non-trivial: significant recent mentions in Verified news sources or top .05% (!) ranking in followers. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 17:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I dont use twitter, but as far as the standards in wikipedia, Incorporating Direct Links into your SNS profile / Writing a promotional Statements such as asking people to add, follow or check, your SNS profile, is not acceptable at any circumstances. And What is the benefit of having the badge anyway ? 海之 09:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I make someone else's draft?

Can I extend this draft and publish it? Excellenc1📞 07:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, there's no rule against your extending it. Its creator (who does not "own" it) hasn't edited it for two months, and may have lost interest in it. However. I'm not confident it can ever qualify as a published list. Maybe another Teahouse host can advise? Maproom (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand what encyclopedic value an expanded version would have. -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names publishes a list of Country's formal and informal names in various languages including French, which you can find here. I am unsure if this would comply with Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists or not though. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1I also found this existing list List of country names in various languages, which I found by searching Category:Lists of country names in various languages ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1, @Maproom, @Hoary, @Shushugah: As French is an official language of the Olympic Games, the list may have value if it was linked to that aspect. You could include the Olympic country code in an extra column, and maybe the ISO code for comparison. List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games#Alphabetical list has English but not French names, and I'd be reluctant to add another column to that massive table to hold the French name. I don't really want to see 3000 "List of country names in XX language", but could French be a special case? Should such a list include the full official name, e.g. Commonwealth of Australia, Australia, Australie? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Replying changed?

Hello! So I was about to reply to a comment when I noticed that the replying thing I'm using changed a little and looks a bit different. Is this a new thing or have I just been oblivious to it this entire time? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, just so everyone knows what I mean, I'm talking about the button that say reply on it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, now that I'm looking at it, some other things on Wikipedia have been restyled. Was there a restyling of Wikipedia I didn't know about? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: No idea which button you mean because there are so many different skins and customisations, and some people use the Visual Editor and others don't, and some people use editing apps on a mobile device and others use a browser, and so on... in any case, the Wikimedia people do tweak and change things around from time to time. For instance, there was some kind of update last week that suddenly caused a "responsive mode" to be the default for browsers on a mobile phone across all Wikimedia projects, which was an awful and tedious experience, until I managed to find a way to turn it off for myself as a global preference. The technical Village Pump board is a good place to ask about sudden and unexpected changes in the editing interface, especially if the changes make it harder to edit! --bonadea contributions talk 15:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok! And I'm fairly sure the reply button is just something you opt in to under preferences or something. But thank you for pointing me in the right direction! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I presume you mean the Beta tool. ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes I do. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Blaze! Could it be that you switched between the Source and Visual modes of the Reply Tool? Also, they added the toolbar to the source mode a little while ago. I haven't noticed other restyling, but I mostly use Timeless skin. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

No, I remain in source mode when using the reply tool. I think the toolbar is what I'm seeing that's new. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request on BBC Natural History Unit

Hello, on the 6th of August we asked for a number of changes to be made on Talk:BBC Natural History Unit, we've not yet had any responses to our requests. What is the timeframe in which we should expect to receive some feedback? At present the page is factually incorrect and we would like to collaborate with the Wikipedia community to get it updated.

Thank you for your help. BBC Studios Comms (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@BBC Studios Comms: There seem to be a stack of requests pending, which may be putting off the volunteer editors who might want to follow up your requests. You could make their task much easier if you converted the references you provided (currently bare URLs) into proper citations as per Template:cite web. We like, for example, to give credit to the authors of the articles cited, as you will appreciate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I note that an experienced editor has now declined to make some of the changes, which were clear breaches of Wikipedia's policy about promotion (see WP:promotion). Other requests may be OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:BBC Studios Natural History Unit ― Qwerfjkltalk 15:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The "stack of requests" was never tagged properly with {{request edit}} so the requests never appeared on the category page. I have tagged the remaining open request. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• The original poster has now been blocked as a clear-cut violation of the username policy (no accounts for organizations). They may or may not come back under a different username. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
• Just to flag we have changed the username to adhere to Wikipedia policy. We are looking to request a few more factual changes and will endeavour to present them in the required format. Georgie - BBC Studios Comms (talk) 16:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Should this be renamed?

Should Draft:List of capitals in France be renamed to Draft:List of regional prefectures in France or Draft:List of chef-lieux du région in France (because that's what they are called in France)? [PS: The draft is not yet ready, please do not comment on lack of citations or important information.] Excellenc1📞 16:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello? Excellenc1📞

@Excellenc1: I would suggest "List of regional prefectures in France" as the draft title, and "List of chef-lieux du région in France" as a redirect once the article is live. It looks like this is the WP:COMMONNAME, and it conforms to existing article titles. It's not necessary to move a draft to another draft title before it is accepted, but there is no reason not to do so, and I think it could be helpful for the AfC reviewer in case they are not familiar with the administrative structure of France. --bonadea contributions talk 08:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Done (Draft:List of regional prefectures in France) Thank you. Excellenc1📞 10:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed

A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed. One mod seems to be either used to a different legal system or is simply mistaken in his understanding of the law. He thinks that we have escalated a certain situation to be a legal one AND that we are making legal threats. All I was saying there was that there is a way something would be viewed in the Indian Legal System.

This is in reference to edits made to the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#:~:text=The%20Fermi%20paradox%2C%20named%20after,estimates%20for%20the%20Drake%20equation).

This could easily to be handled with a great deal of civility and without undue worry for your side in terms of legal action. I ask that your mod stop offering conclusions and opinions as though they were facts. If you are open to discussion, we can chat. But we don't like to be told that we are spamming any one or any forum. If that is your position, then let it be known that we have our position on this matter also, and this is our legal position on this matter also.

Please feel free to send us email. You will find us quite reasonable.

 Qwykrtechsupport (talk) 16:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This is now at ANI, and that was a legal threat. See WP:NLT -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

We are not "unduly worried" about legal action; indeed I doubt anyone here is worried at all. But your claim "we are quite confident that we would win in an Indian court" was a legal threat, and has been treated accordingly. Maproom (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Indef blocked. Watch for IP:122.172.54.6 as Q posted at least once not signed in. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, that was one of the more bizarre incidents I've seen on w:en. Maybe I need to get around more (or not). ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Help getting a page approved

Our submission for this Wikipedia page keeps being denied for "lack of significant coverage" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Private_Academic_Library_Network_of_Indiana

Would love some advice on how to add that. We are very similar to, for example, this group, whose page appears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbis_Cascade_Alliance or the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_consortium 2603:7080:E506:3AC8:E003:2B88:6E32:60EC (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Before comparing your draft to short Wikipedia articles, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GoingBatty (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@2603:7080:E506:3AC8:E003:2B88:6E32:60EC, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, coupled with what GoingBatty correctly said above, i note you use the plural “our”?as opposed to the singular “I” in this collaborative project multiple users optimizing one account or an editor using more than one account is prohibited except for reasons covered under WP:LEGITSOCK. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Building on that, if "Our" and "We" indicate that you have some connection to the Private Academic Library Network of Indiana, then each editor needs to disclose their conflict of interest on their userpage, and understand that they will not be allowed to edit the page if accepted as an article. GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Also please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Apart from uncontroversial factual information like places and dates, nothing belongs in the article unless a source wholly unconnected with the network has talked about it. Given that your "we" indicates that you are associated with the organisation, your task is even more difficult than it would be for a random editor, because you need to forget every single thing you know about the organisation and write based only on what these independent sources say. I assume you are Meganmckwest? If so, thank you for attempting to declare your COI, but you made two mistakes. The minor one was that you copied the template with <nowiki> and </nowiki> round it, which prevent it from actually being interpreted as a template. The more serious one is that if you are Communications Director at PALNI, then you are not just editing with a COI, but are a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration of this fact. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all. This is super helpful. This was Megan's project but she is leaving her job and asked me as another employee to look at this.2603:7080:E506:3AC8:3C8D:86CB:6AEF:A62B (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I recommend you create an account and then on the User page, declare your paid connection, as Megan had done. Only then, strive to improve Draft:Private Academic Library Network of Indiana David notMD (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Translation credits

I have found that when I translate an article I should leave a message like this:

'Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Exact name of French article; see its history for attribution'

But where should it be? I can't see anything I post into my draft's submissions history. Osarjusz (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I believe you are supposed to place that in the edit summary when you make your edit. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

For help about translation, please read Help:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Or, briefly: Yes, you must provide a summary like that for the first of your edits; additionally, you should provide more specific information on the talk page of the article that you've created/edited. Yes, this is all explained in Help:Translation (which would be more accurately titled "Both help and requirements for translation"). -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

To add to what Hoary said, use Template:Translated page (ex. {{translated|fr|exact name of French article}} on the talk page and you should be good. Bkissin (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Finding someone to help me build a Wikipedia page we will provide all research and write the articles for a Doctor Who is deceased.

 Dr. George M. Austin (talk) 01:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

First, see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedia is not a memorial site.

Second, do it yourself. Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the instructions about how to create a draft article and submit it for review and approval.

Third (and this is important) if you are being compensated in any way, or if you have any conflict of interest with the topic you want to write about, you must disclose this, as you entered into a legally-binding agreement to such disclosure when you created an account here. See WP:PAID. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

"We" suggests a group effort. Accounts are to individuals. Not to say people cannot work with you, but only one person makes actual entry to the draft. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Separately, if you mean an actor who was in the role as the Doctor on the TV show, then The Doctor (Doctor Who) shows that articles exist for all of the actors who have held this role. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dr. George M. Austin. I'm guessing that the Dr Austin is the doctor you wish to write about: if that is so, you must not use the name of a real person for your account unless you are that person. You should stop using that account immediately, and create a new one which is personal to you (you do not have to use your real name for it: I do, but many editors use pseudonyms; but it must not be somebody else's name. You could change the name on that account, but since you have made no other edits, it's easier just to abandon it). Note that Wikipedia will accept an article only if the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that enough has been published about him by people unconnected with him to form the basis of an article. --ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Bemused apologies, the errant capitalization of "Who" led me in a very wrong direction. I am now guessing you mean George M. Austin (1916-2002). If true, as advised above, abandon the account you are using. I did find https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/016164103101201517 which may prove useful as a reference. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Odd citation

Hello Teahouse hosts. I've come across two citations I merged from one article to another. They are odd, not well done, and I do not know how to mark them. There is a citation to a reliable source, but the citation takes one to the Amazon buy-this-reliable-source page and the other to a publisher. You may view them HERE, numbers 35 and 36.

So, what are your ideas of how I should note these? Most kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

What now cites reference 35 is "The latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North in the official State-sanctioned account published as a chapter in Richard Hakluyt’s Principal Navigations in 1589." The reference is to a page on Cambridge UP's website advertising a recent reprint of something that I'd guess (but don't know) would be "the official State-sanctioned account". Unsurprisingly, the web page doesn't say that the latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North. Therefore this "reference" is near-useless. What now cites reference 36 is "The manuscript draft of this chapter recently identified in the British Library as an abstract from the chaplain’s journal indicated the landing at 44° North." Reference 36 is to a retailer. I confess that I haven't read the entire page, but neither of the strings "British Library" or "44" appears anywhere in it. Therefore this "reference" is a fraud. (And even if it did back it up, Wikipedia shouldn't depend on a retailer's say-so.) I'd comment on the talk page, wait a couple of weeks, and then, if there's no reasoned, persuasive disagreement, remove these and any other worthless or fraudulent references. That's because worthless "references" are worse than no references: the former lull the moderately attentive reader into assuming that all of this is backed up somewhere; the latter warn the reader who's at least moderately attentive not to be credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks Hoary. You well articulate my concerns. I've linked this conversation to Talk:Fringe theories on the location of New Albion and alerted the original editor. I do believe the editor can correct them if the editor actually locates the particular books. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Association Football National Team's Results section

I wanted to know what is the standard template used for a national football team page's results section? The template on Indian national football team has been edited saying that it's the new template, but according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams it's still the old one. Footy2000 (talk) 04:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Footy2000: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't receive an answer here, you might want to ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

AUDT Coin in Australian ERC-20 History Fund

Hello, Wiki people. I need some help with my coin page. Found a email day before about approving my page, and now it's sppedy deleted. Also I found the same pages with not so cool sources like [[::Category:Ethereum_tokens]] Aventus Protocol Basic Attention Token Kik Messenger Kodak Coin. Am I right that there is a mistke or I made smth wrong, sir? Vsehmogushiy2 (talk) 10:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy-deletes are difficult. The two reasons given are (1) advertising, and (2) not notable. Forget the animal/person bit, the notability criteria apply to everything, including organisations and digital coins. I think you should click the 'contest' button, and also discuss this with David Gerard, who applied the speedy-delete tag. You will need good references indicating that the AUDT coin is notable, which ideally means mainstream news sources discussing it in some depth. Press releases from the company itself won't do. This means also that the sorts of news sources that merely regurgitate press-releases won't prove notability either, and nor will business-lists that merely report turnover or who the latest CEO is. Interviews and YouTube clips are usually unhelpful, unless they are from a reputable, independent news channel, and/or involve acknowledged independent professionals. The perfect source would be an Australian national newspaper, or similar. You must then discuss what aspect of the wording made David Gerard feel that it was promotional. To some extent, if you solve the references problem, the promotion problem will solve itself. If you stick to saying what you can reference with genuinely independent sources, it probably won't sound promotional. Don't be discouraged if the decision remains to delete. This is not a reflection on you, nor is it an eternal decision. This is a fairly new currency, and it may be too soon (i.e. it may be that not enough independent sources have written about it yet, but they will do, over the next few years).
A final explanation: the fact that the article was accepted into main-space doesn't unfortunately defend it from being deleted straight away! The acceptance into main-space is a rough screen to remove articles that will definitely get deleted. You wrote the article well enough that it passed the screen. Elemimele (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vsehmogushiy2: The article Aventus Protocol has far better sourcing than the one you are referring to, and Kik Messenger so much better as to put it in a different world. There is really no comparison with the article you have asked about. Basic Attention Token is not an article, but just a redirect link to another article on a different topic, and there is not, and never has been, an article Kodak Coin. Did you make some kind of mistake when you mentioned those? JBW (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• • Nope KodakCoin. If I undestand trully all other work for Wikipedia Australia or other coins or working in draft page doesn't matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsehmogushiy2 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this signature?

 Excellenc1 (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Fine for me. It corresponds with your textual Username and is accessible to Screen readers. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah, is it so that only experienced editors/teahouse hosts are supposed to have fancy signatures (ones with background colour, font colour and/or emojis)? Excellenc1 (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 There are no rules about that whatsoever! Do as you please! Ultimately collectively our goal here is to Wikipedia:Build an encyclopedia, but if people have some fun/self expression along the way, that cannot hurt :) Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: While anyone may choose to create a custom signature, make sure that it abides by custom signature guidelines and policies. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)

I would like to edit Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) information on wikipedia, I can add the writers information and producer information to the tracklist, thank you  HimuEdits (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@HimuEdits: Hello Himu! You can request an edit to the page at the talk page of the page you are wanting to edit! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I've added all the writers information of cars 3 soundtrack page correctly. :) HimuEdits (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@HimuEdits I have merged your reply onto the actual discussion itself. In the future, when you want to reply to an discussion instead of creating/adding a new one, simply click the [Edit] or [Edit source] beside the discussion heading. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll Okay thank you, i don't know much as I'm new here but I'm learning now and I have edited a lot of stuff here like music albums details and animated movies details and it makes me feel so good:))

How to write a proper Biography article of an Author?

How to write a proper Biography article of an Author? Techprecious (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Techprecious:

1. Find acceptable sources. These are going to be sources that (1) have professional editorial oversight that fact-checks, retracts, and discloses, (2) discuss the subject at length, and (3) haven't been directly influenced by the subject, their goons, or their money.
2. Tell anyone screaming from on high to shut up and stay out of the way, and make sure to publicly disclose any such employee/client or contractor/client relationships publicly on your userpage.
3. Forget everything you know about the subject and write the article using only information the sources explicitly provide. Do not promote, editorialise, or include random details about whether they prefer football or cricket. Make sure to source everything that could potentially be challenged for any reason. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
4. And don't WP:COPYPASTE from sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Tarun Bhatnagar. In the future, do not ask here and at Help, as that wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Stopping archival

Hello! So I've tried stopping my talk page archival, however despite adding the part to the code that tells it to stop, the archival bot that's running on my talk page still archived my talk page. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf You need to add {{subst:DNAU}} onto the discussion thread itself as suppose to outside of the discussion thread. Currently, your talk page have 4 discussion thread, if you want to delay all of them then add it to each discussion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok. THank you! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf No problem. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Is this okay to delete something that you know is not true even if you don't have proof?

Over a year ago I saw a sentence in the "Staniszów" article: "After World War II the region was placed under Polish administration and ethnically cleansed according to the post-war Potsdam Agreement." My understanding is that "ethnic cleansing" means something entirely different, and there is no evidence that there was "ethnic cleansing" in Staniszów in 1945, so I removed it. I just saw that the same phrase was re-added to the article. Should I remove it again? I do not have a source that says "there was no ethnic cleansing in Staniszów" but it's very difficult to disprove a negative. What should I do here? Hattie Cape (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

In such a context, I would post on the article's talk page to discuss this with the editor with whom you're having a disagreement. Concepts like "ethnic cleansing" are very, very bitterly disputed. Also, remember: nomenclature is arbitrary. Something happened in Staniszów. DS (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the History of the article. The editor who re-added the "ethnic cleansing" sentence is 87.189.199.156. I will post on the article talk page but I will also remove the sentence again, because just because "something" happened, doesn't mean it was "ethnic cleansing". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hattie Cape (talk • contribs)

Just don't keep changing it back and forth. That will be seen as edit-warring and won't look good. You may struggle to get any communication with an editor who's working from an IP address, but you have to try. If they are putting the statement in with no reference to back it up, you can always insert {{cn}} to point out that this is a statement that requires a citation ("citation needed"). If the tag remains there for a significant length of time without anyone inserting the citation, it strengthens your case for removing the statement! If you can't get any agreement with the IP editor and an edit-war is looking inevitable, you can make a request for comment [1], to try to involve more editors; hopefully they will bring alternative viewpoints, and some consensus will emerge. Elemimele (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Elemimele. I understand this. I read the Request for Comments page and also a lot of other pages with guidelines. While I was reading the page titled "Wikipedia:Content removal" I saw this paragraph: "Wikipedia's verifiability guidelines require all information to be citable to sources. When information is unsourced, and it is doubtful any sources are available for the information, it can be boldly removed." So I think this phrase about "ethnically cleansed" qualifies as one of those statements? After all, many of those small villages near the borders did have a mix of German-speaking and Polish-speaking residents before 1945, so it seems that using highly-charged language like "ethnically cleansed" should have a source if it is to remain. Hattie Cape (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

This has become quite a reasonable content-discussion, so I've replied at Talk:Staniszów. But German/Polish relationships following WWII are not my area of knowledge, so take everything I write with a hefty pinch of salt. Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the article or the talk page and I don't have expertise on the specific topic, Hattie Cape, but if something is being described as ethnic cleansing without a source that supports that interpretation, the burden is on the editor who added that description to provide a source - and it should be removed if one can't be found. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Cordless Larry. I felt the same way. I removed the same phrase from other articles that had that same exact stuff (I guess it was copy-pasted) without any source. Hattie Cape (talk) 13:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

{{use dmy dates}} and {{use british english}}by default update for all articles to uk

we can update {{use dmy dates}} on articles (persons living of dead) related to uk. is my assumption correct? {{use british english}} can be only updated articles to uk or have predominantly british english. or can it be updated for all articles (persons living of dead) related to uk? 28july21 (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@28july21: Welcome to the Teahouse! Those templates are OK for articles related to the UK, unless the established consensus for the article is to use a different date format (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Formats "Strong national ties to a topic" vs "Retaining existing format") or different style of English (see {{Use Oxford spelling}}). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I now publish this template?

Not so long ago, I had asked if I should publish a navbox template I made in my sandbox which had, back then, a lot of red links (Original question here). Later I worked on it, it is still very red, but better (when I had orignally asked, there were 7 or 8 blue links, now 30 (but out of 101 total links)). Can I now publish the template because after the creation of all 101 articles, I cannot individually add this template to each one of them, and if I start from now, I can add at least to the 30 articles + the rest of them I will eventually be making? And reading the original question's answers, you may still doubt their (the article links') notability as they are all stubs, made in the same layout/format. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Excellenc1. It looks OK to me. I suggest adding | below = [[List of presidents of departmental councils (France)|List of presidents]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:

1. I don't know where and how to add the presidents section.
2. Most departmental council presidents' articles are red links, like the council itself. And I assume notability is not hereditary, so the presidents may not be notable like the council itself. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Named parameters can be added in any order. below is displayed at the end so it's usually added at the end. I have added it [2] but you are free to remove it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: How do I then add the list of presidents (the content) to the template? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: I only suggested to add a link to the list and have already done it. There is nothing more to do. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help, new to wikipedia

Hey! I hope you read my previous answer on Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) So I'm here creating pages, correcting soundtrack details etc and so i noticed an EP was missing here so i created a page for it (work in progress) I wanted to ask for some help but before that i just went there to fix it myself but what do i see it just redirected me and what do i see

somebody vandalized it, although i undo the changes he made but can you help me like protect the page or something like only authenticated users can edit it! The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_My_Messy_Mind Please see history as when i created it and just a few hours ago somebody came and vandalized it, do help! Thank you! HimuEdits (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I just checked history and it looks like that user had done rediricitng again with my article which i fixed later without noticing the change. and this time he just erased my article although i undo it, Could you please tell me how to protect it?

HimuEdits Not vandalism. The editor in question disagreed with a need for a separate article Oh My Messy Mind, so changed it to a redirect to James Bay discography. You changed it back. Proper next step is to reach out to the editor on that person's Talk page and ask why. Be aware that Onel5969 has been editing since 2013, and has created scores of articles. David notMD (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay first so you don't get confused it's me I got my username got changed, Now listen, I get it he edits or does whatever but wait, Every EP and studio album has their own page see for exmaple James Bay Chaos and the Calm, Ed Sheeran album Divide or Ed Sheeran's EP Songs I wrote with Amy.

Now please be with me, There was no page regarding the EP Oh My Messy Mind, So I created one and added a link everywhere like on peer pressure song like it's from EP oh my messy mind so i just added link. I don't understand if we think like that, Then ed sheeran divide album and all other albums too be removed and instead be redirected to their discorography, fair point? Just checked and yes the page it redirects to is okay but wait that page itself has links to Chaos and the Calm, Electric Light, so why can't it be for the page I created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HimuTheEditor (talk • contribs) 08:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HimuTheEditor. Whether a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability has little to do with the subject or its qualities, and everything to do with whether independent people have chosen to write at length about it. It is therefore entirely possible for one track, one EP, one album, one book, one company, one school, or indeed one brother to be notable (so an article about it is possible) and the next not currently be notable. I haven't looked at the articles you're talking about, but it's quite likely that they are a mix of 1) satisfactory articles about EPs that are notable; 2) unsatisfactory articles about EPs that are notable (eg because they don't cite the sources that establish notability): these should be fixed, moved to draft, or at a minimum tagged with {{more sources needed}}; 3) Articles about EPs that are not notable: these should be deleted or redirected.

You are essentially arguing that Oh My Messy Mind meets the criteria for notability: it is up to you to establish this as the consensus, by discussing it with the other editors involved. The existence of other articles is, I'm afraid, irrelevant. --ColinFine (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I'm sorry I didn't knew that.

I may do as you said and add more sources needed to it. Thank you! Again, as I said before I'm new to the wikipedia and I don't know much although I corrected articles but I didn't had knowledge in creating a new one. Thank you for helping! Good day & stay safe! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HimuTheEditor (talk • contribs) 15:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Do templates count?

In the list of Wikipedians by article count, do templates and stubs created count? Excellenc1 (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: I'm not certain, but the specification of "article creations" (my emphasis) in the first sentence of that page presumably means that creations in the Template namespace are not counted. Stub articles in mainspace, on the other hand, are presumably counted. Deor (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count#FAQ #5 confirms that it uses the list of articles, which would include article stubs but not templates. GoingBatty (talk) 00:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki-Rickroll?

What are the possible consequences of rickrolling someone on Teahouse? (Note: I haven't done so; just out of curiosity. I acknowledge that Teahouse is a forum of serious discussions and queries.) Excellenc1 (talk) 15:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

One consequence is that people will think you're a pillock. And as you've chosen a particularly conspicuous signature, they'll remember it was you. Maproom (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Just don't do it. It's against WP:RICKROLL. Consequences could for example be a warning for disruptive editing, and lowering the threshold for future blocks. On the milder end, some users could ignore future posts from you instead of helping. Even if it's a reply to a specific user, we have many helpers and readers, and you wouldn't just be rickrolling "someone". PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't really see what I'm supposed to look at at WP:RICKROLL Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Do you know Rickrolling? It's about unexpected links to a certain YouTube video. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes I do. I've been rickrolled myself many times. However, WP:RICKROLL appears to be unrelated to Rickrolling and isntead just about general easter eggs Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Whatever the other consequences, we're never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you Chuntuk (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Request another editor to look at an article

Hello! So I'm wanting to know where I would go to request another editor to take a look at a specific article. I'm having some issues with an article currently with some IPs adding information that I have no clue whether or not it's true or constructive due to my lack of knowledge on the subject of the article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf WP:PEERREVIEW. ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contact another contributor?

I found some reliably-sourced information to enhance a person's page, which has been heavily updated by another contributor. I would like to discuss this with them out of courtesy for the work they've been doing. What is the proper way to contact them? Post on their talk page? Thanks.

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Maddalena"</a>

--Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You are correct. Leave a message on their talk page. Happy editing! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Pyrrho! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeythegimp (talk • contribs) 18:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Want Guides on How to Publish a Post on Wikipedia

Hello..I'm new to this Site. I am a good article writer, and I need Help on how to publish a post on Wikipedia. I wrote a post and published it earlier but it seemed as if it was not Published by Wiki. I need help on the right ways to publish an acceptable post. Emmy Rey (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Emmy Rey, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I assume you mean what we call a Wikipedia article. This is difficult for a beginner but here is some guidance: Pick a topic that meets the demands at WP:GNG. If you don't have the sources demanded there, what you write will be removed. Next, learns how to add inline citations correctly, this is essential. WP:TUTORIAL and WP:REFBEGIN can help with that. Guidance on how to start an article is at WP:YFA, and if you intend to wrtite about a living person, read WP:BLP as well. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

To be specific, it appears that you want to create an article about either William Kumuyi or Deeper Christian Life Ministry. Both of these already exist. You have done some editing on the latter. David notMD (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contribute to Disney article

 Kayle123 (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kayle123, and welcome to Wikipedia!

To get started on Wikipedia in general, click on the green welcome.

After familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia and how to contribute, you're welcome to begin making or suggesting edits to most articles, including Disney articles. Feel free to return to here if you have more specific questions along your journey. See you around! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

New-York Central College article

For some reason there is a hyphen between New and York in the title and other places in this article- I removed the hyphens where I could but can not get the hyphen out of the title

How is this done? Is an account required?

The incorrect hyphen is also on the following pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College

New-York Central College alumni‎ (8 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_alumni

New-York Central College faculty‎ (5 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_faculty

Thank you for your help 67.249.88.229 (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@67.249.88.229: The hyphen appears to be correct in the name of the short-lived college. See [[3]]. You're better off discussing on the college's talk page. Perhaps add a hidden note to future editors who want to remove the hyphens, as you did. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Contributions

 WinnipegMA (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I see my user contributions without clicking the Contributions button on the top right corner?

You can use this URL, with your username at the end, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WinnipegMA Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi WinnipegMA. See Wikipedia:Keyboard shortcuts for a way to use the keyboard for this and other things. The access key for your contributions is y. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Glitches

How do I report glitches on Wikipedia?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@WinnipegMA: It depends, because it may not be a glitch, but if it is, WP:TVP works. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

It would also be helpful to know a little bit more about the glitch, because village pump technical is the ideal place for certain types of glitches, but other things which might be described as glitches would be better reported elsewhere. For example, someone might see some vandalism and think of it as a glitch but that should not be reported to village pump technical.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick someone might see some vandalism and think of it as a glitch but that should be reported to village pump technical I presume you meant "but that should not be reported to village pump technical"? ― Qwerfjkltalk 08:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl, Oops yes, thanks S Philbrick(Talk) 13:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Syntax

Is there any way I can see all syntaxes usable in Wikipedia?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

WinnipegMA, we have a convention whereby we sign at the end of a comment (and optionally put the name of the addressee at the start. As an editor of Wikipedia, you use Mediawiki markdown syntax, and a limited range of HTML and CSS. Please see Help:Cheatsheet. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi WinnipegMA. You can try looking at Help:Wikitext. It may not cover everything, but it seems to cover quite a lot of what's commonly used. Finally, I've re-organized your question a bit. For future references, it's better to add your signature to the end of your posts and not the beginning like you did when you posted the above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I add my signature below?— Preceding unsigned comment added by WinnipegMA (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You write your comment or question or whatever. Then you hit the spacebar once, and then you hit "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dayton, Texas needs more help than I know how to give

Hello Again. I am starting to feel like an old timer who still hasn't learned enough to advance passed beginner. I did look through a lot of help articles before I ended up back here, because they made me more confused than when I started. Here's the situation:

One of my friends sent me a link to Dayton, Texas with the message, "Help! Can you fix this?" I went and checked it out, and someone had completely broken the code tags such that the "info box" was just a bunch of code at the top of the page. I hunted through and cleaned up the code so it would show up right, and sent my friend an "All done" message. They fired back 5 minutes later with, "Did you notice that the "History" section is a direct cut-and-paste from "Handbook of Texas"? I sighed, and went to check. Sure enough, word for word, but the edit that did it was from 12 Oct 2006. A handful of edits since have slightly altered the wording but it is essentially a direct quote from a copyrighted website. Short of rewriting the article myself (which if I carve out enough time I might do), how does this get handled/fixed? And before you ask, the talk page (I think) does not contain any human (not bot/admin) contributions so clearly no humans are looking at the talk page. (PS They did not even cite the copied source Dayton, TX on Texas State Historical Association "Handbook of Texas") Katrazyna (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

C4, TNT, gunpowder.... copyright infringement is copyright infringement. Sometimes content is in Wikipedia first, copied elsewhere without attribution, but the source you identified predates Wikipedia. Interestingly, a copyright check turned up a website with a lot of duplicate content, but that one is likely a copy of Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok... I think I have the idea. I deleted the direct quote, and replaced it with an extremely brief summary with citation. It probably needs a lot more help that I don't currently have time for but the copyrighted material is gone... I think. Is that more or less what should have happened? Katrazyna (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You cut the content and ref'd the Handbook. Excellent. David notMD (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Is there a limit in how much you can edit your sandbox. If there is what is the number and can you get blocked from editing too much in your sandbox?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi WinnipegMA. There's no firm limit on "how much" you can edit your sandbox, but your sandbox will need to comply with Wikipedia:User pages like any other page in your username space. For the most part, editors are given a bit of leeway when it comes to their sandboxes, but anything clearly inappropriate can be removed per Wikipedia:User pages#Ownership and editing of user pages. Moreover, if you spend too much time in your sandbox in what appears to be unrelated to helping improve Wikipedia, then other editors might begin to think you're editing for the wrong reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

900 centigrade is definitely not 482 Fahrenheit. But if you want to say it is in your sandbox, there's no rule against it. Maproom (talk) 23:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Submission in review limbo

Hi guys and girls, my submission has been pending review for about 24 hrs now, and I see no option to resubmit. How can I get it done? Fogetu2 (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Please employ patience. -- Hoary (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Fogetu2, I assume this is about Draft:Kirk Lee. When a reviewer considers it, their main concern will be "does this article establish that its subject is notable, by citing several reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject?". Your draft cites 75 sources, almost all of them (I haven't checked them all) failing on at least of those criteria. So a reviewer is likely to give up in despair and move on to a more productive use of their time. If you want a speedy review, I recommend deleting almost all of those references (and almost all of the videography section), while retaining the good references, assuming there are any in there. If your draft gets accepted, you can then add all that stuff back in. Maproom (talk) 23:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A lot of those references are for Lee's contributions to this or that, and are Youtube videos. If it isn't absolutely clear that the video was uploaded to Youtube by the copyright holder, delete the reference. If it isn't absolutely clear from the video, or from the text accompanying the video, that Lee's contribution was as your draft claims, delete the reference. (Many new editors add "references" that don't back up what has just been said but instead are appendages, as if saying "Look, this is what I'm talking about." These aren't genuine references and mustn't be presented as if they were.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

HoaryThanks, So your basically saying leave the ones where I put my name on it when I was making the video? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fogetu2 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fogetu2: Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest with this draft. Your goal should be putting aside everything you know about Lee, finding independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Lee, and summarizing what they say. If the YouTube links don't make Lee's involvement clear, they should not be included. I added more comments on the draft. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

World's Largest Fire Hydrant

Okey dokey fellow Wikipedians, I have an article idea. What if I wrote an article about the world's largest fire hydrant? Or made a list of the, say, top 10? Or wrote an article about the world's largest working fire hydrant? Are any of these already a thing?

I'd like to know what a couple other editors think and what some suggested news sources would be (e.g. Just NYT style or local CBS or ABC affiliate channels too? Could I use something like this?).

I look forward to the responses! WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiIsKnowledge, first, you can look for existing articles related to fire hydrants as easily as I can. (Tip: via categories.) And secondly, if you're saying "I have an amusing idea; I don't know anything about it and I don't know how I'd find out anything about it", you're barking up the wrong tree. -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, it's not an "amusing" idea. I used to live near the world's largest working hydrant and I've been researching others. I wanted to see if it was an acceptable article topic and which sources were acceptable for Wikipedia. I already looked it up, but I'll try using categories. Thanks, WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@WikiIsKnowledge: this is more suited with a brief mention in the fire hydrant article, but not as its own article - IMHO. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Timtempleton Good idea. I'll do that. Thanks. WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 00:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I can hardly imagine either that reliable sources are available for constructing a list of the ten largest fire hydrands or that people would be interested in such a list if constructed. OTOH many people's tastes are utter mysteries to me: I could be wrong; you could be right. Are there articles that list "Largest...."? Yes there are: see Special:PrefixIndex for "Largest" (though note that the huge majority are shown in italics and are therefore mere redirects). Ditto for "Tallest" and so forth. -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@WikiIsKnowledge: You would have to find reliable sources that demonstrate notability per WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there an automatic translator and can it be turned off?

On the Talk page for William Weaver, I posted, "In the list of translations, each book has the title in English and then, if you look at "Edit source," the title in Italian. In the article, however, the title in Italian is automatically translated to English, sometimes differently from the first title in English, and sometimes without proper spacing. I don't know how to turn off the automatic translator.Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC) The same problem occurs after The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana in Biography.Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there in fact an automatic translator? If not, what is creating the problem I identified? Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Replied at Talk:William Weaver#List of translations. GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:William Weaver#List of translationsMaurice Magnus (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

help in saving account from deletion

can someone please help in improving the article Juliana000 (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

This is most likely about Anjali Phougat. @Juliana000: - let the deletion discussion run its course. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

can you please guide how to improve the article? really appreciate your help and quick reply @Timtempleton: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs)

Juliana000, large quantities of this are completely unreferenced. Add reliable references. Remove anything that can't be reliably referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Juliana000: I suggest you remove the "Articles" section, and use some of those links as references for the other sections. GoingBatty (talk) 01:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you Hoary User:GoingBatty how many days we have to get these issues fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs)

Normally the "AfD" process lasts seven days, but in order to make much of an influence on it you'd better take drastic action much more quickly than that. Incidentally, please sign any comment by hitting "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary thanks you can you or someone please help to fix the issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Juliana000 I'm wondering if you have a particular interest in this article or its subject? 331dot (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Juliana000: I tweaked the existing references and deleted lots of unreferenced information. However, it's up to you to find additional reliable sources to prevent the article from being deleted. If you have any conflict of interest, please declare it on your user page before proceeding. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Mission Statements

Hello Wikipedia!

I'm a new editor and had a general question about mission statements WP:MISSION. I've come across some articles that quote their companies' mission statements. In general, should these be deleted? Or are small blurbs ok? Just curious before I edit. Apologies if this is a dumb question...again, I am learning :) Spacebarz (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spacebarz: Unless the mission statement gets a lot of press, like Google's "Do no evil", it's best to skip. Otherwise you'll get an article flagged for being too promotional. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Spacebarz, please point to a problematic example. -- Hoary (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick responses!@Timtempleton @Hoary
This is what sparked my curiosity: Netherlands Economic Medal CabinetSpacebarz (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Spacebarz, the "mission statement" is summarized; it's short, non-promotional, and actually informative. It's fine. (This is not a defence of the article, which has serious problems. But the mission statement isn't one of them.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary Great explanation. Many thanks!
Spacebarz (talk) 00:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Unintelligible content

I'm a newly enrolled Wikipedia editor, although I've been a professional editor in 'realspace' for many years. Over time, I've picked up the skill of figuring out what people are trying to get at, even when their text is so riddled with errors that the average person would not be able to make sense of it. However, I recently read a section in one of the published articles that defeated me. The grammar and syntax in the whole section was so dislocated that it left no workable clue to the author's intended meaning. Any attempt at deduction would have been sheer guesswork! What does one do in a case like that? Editingfrank (talk) 00:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Editingfrank: Thanks for trying to help. You can fix it (best solution), or flag (template) it for needing copy editing. See Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup#Copy editing for templates. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:TNT, perhaps. Please specify the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Why am not an autoconfirmed user?

 Hanny M (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

According to Special:UserRights/Hanny M you are. What's the problem? Meters (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is the problem perhaps in some tentacle of Wikimedia other than English-language Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Good question. Has not made any edits to other Wikipedias for years, but might have tried and failed. Hanny M, we can't give you any more info without a response. Meters (talk) 04:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Editors creating paintings for articles

This is an odd one so I thought I would ask here, where odd questions are welcomed. Over at this version of Barbara Teller Ornelas, the infobox image is a watercolour painting of the subject, done by the editor who created the page. I'm sure we would be OK with an editor having taken a photograph and added it to an article they created, since photographs are relatively 'objective', but I am wondering what others think about the portrait being an artistic interpretation? I've asked the editor about possible COI, but that's a separate issue. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 00:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Possibly, for letting me know via my talk page that you were starting a discussion at the Teahouse. I would also like to add my input to the discussion here, as I have done on my talk page and on the Barbara Teller Ornelas talk page. I am a professional artist. Some of my paintings are in museums. I made a quick painting, I believe a good one, for the article because there was no photo. Please feel free to add a photo to the article if you find one. Maybe Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia should establish some criteria for paintings used as portraits. Second, I have not met Barbara Teller Ornelas. There is no COI. I created the article for the WikiProject: Indigenous women. Shari Garland (talk) 04:39, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems like the discussion has taken root on the article talk page, which might be the best place to respond if anyone is interested. --- Possibly ☎ 04:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is my representation of Barbara Teller Ornelas for those who might want to know the source of this topic. Shari Garland (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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  Barbara Teller Ornelas

Questions remain:

1) Should I, as a professional artist, continue to make watercolor paintings and upload them to Wikimedia Commons for Wikipedia articles?
2) Should my watercolor portrait of Barbara Teller Ornelas be added back to the article Barbara Teller Ornelas?
3) If the answer to question 2) is yes, then who should add my watercolor portrait of Barbara Teller Ornelas back to the article?

Shari Garland (talk) 18:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Barbara Teller Ornelas State Department portrait

I'll give you my opinion: 1) No, based on your painting and the photo I don't think interpretations like this are useful in the WP-context. 2) No, not unless it has coverage in indepentent WP:RS, and if so, not as leadimage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Collapsible tables

I'm unsure whether it's appropriate to use WP:COLLAPSE tables for long podcast episode lists because MOS:COLLAPSE appears to have deprecated collapsible tables. Would extremely long episode tables be a possible exception? Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Podcasting#Lists_of_Episodes (These might also provide more context: Talk:The_Adam_Buxton_Podcast and Talk:Up_and_Vanished) TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

who d dumfuk is ZimZalaBim

 2601:140:8500:870:DCB1:DDFA:8FAF:3AE5 (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, IP editor. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia than anyone can edit at least once. Avoid using the term "virtuistic" and please read WP:How to edit a page.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

ZimZalaBim is the experienced editor who reverted your edit because you deleted content that was supported by a reference. David notMD (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Messages to other editors

How do I send a message to another editor? The person's user name appears in the history of an article. I have received messages from other people. Roryjohnston (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Roryjohnston: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can go to a user's talk page (their signatures have a link to it, or you can click on the talk link next to their name in the history page) and edit it to leave them a message. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Roryjohnston: Welcome to the Teahouse! The preferred way to send a message is by posting on the user's talk page. You can also go to the user's page (or talk page) and click the "Email this user" link of the left toolbar - see Wikipedia:Emailing users. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

correction in Date Of Birth

There are actors and other personalities whose date of birth mentioned on their Wikipedia article is incorrect. I am saying it on the basis of their interviews, youtube videos and social media, where they have mentioned their correct DOB or age. I had tried changing a few DOB earlier but wasn't able to due to lack of reliable sources. Now, even after trying and researching, I can't find a reliable source to support the fact; and to make the respective correction I'll indeed need a source or something. Are there any suggestions regarding it on how to correct date of birth regardless of having an accurate or reliable source. ManaliJain (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Plenty of actors and other "personalities" like to impress their audiences with their relative youth. (It's unusual for a "personality" to object to being described as younger than [they claim] they really are.) Well, find a source that's more authoritative than the source that the article currently cites, and bring this matter up on the article's talk page. If you can't do that, there's not much that you can do. -- Hoary (talk) 06:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain Per WP:DOB, when in doubt, exclude. If a WP-bio lacks a DOB, that's perfectly fine. You may find Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons/Archive_48 helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: If no sources explicitly mention the date of birth, or the year of birth; the best is to remove such dates from Wikipedia articles. If a reliable source says "someone was x-years in the year "x", we may use that to count the possible year of birth. This too is okay. If they've stated their date of birth on their "verified personal sources" as so and so, it is okay to use such sources and add the correct DOB accordingly. Best ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Stanford Prison Experiment - revisions need checking (urgently?)

I've been working with a small team of editors, most of us novices still, to improve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment before it is listed this Friday in the "On This Day" section of the en.wikipedia front page.

We are certain it is in much better shape than it was last week, but would be very grateful to have anyone here look at how it could be better. Thank you very much for all the work you do here. Grateful to be able to help too. DrZasm (talk) 07:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi DrZasm. Unfortunately there's a big problem with the copyright licenses of pretty much all of the images that are being used in the article. Whomever uploaded them to Commons probably didn't realize that Commons doesn't accept any kind of content that is not 100% free or 100% in the public domain. I'm not sure why the uploader of the files chose to license them under a {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}} license because not the case according to the source provided for the image. The source website states that "This page contains a gallery of images that can be viewed and downloaded without charge by journalists, educators, and others who wish to use the images for non-commercial purposes." and it's that last "for non-commercial purposes" which is the problem. Neither Wikipedia nor Commons accepts any kind of files which are licensed as "non-commercial use only", "educational use only", "Wikipedia use only", etc. as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Copyright#Guidelines for images and other media files, which means the licensing of these files is going to need verification to avoid them being deleted per c:Commons:Deletion requests/Stanford prison experiment images. Moreover, there's no way any article with images of questionable copyright status is going to appear on the main Wikipedia page. So, unless you can resolve the copyright licensing issue by Friday, my suggestion to you is to remove the files from the article (even for only the time being) until you're able to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Text gets removed

I've submitted a piece a text as an addition to the outsourcing page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing). From the permissions email address I received permission for the text and the volunteer has made the necessary modifications to the talk page of the article. However, up to date my original text hasn't appeared on the outsourcing page again. And when I submit it once again, it gets removed again. What should I do to get this text published and not removed?

BTW: I'm a first time Wikipedia contributor, so am still learning. Ebroersma1984 (talk) 08:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Ebroersma1984, that article has had problems with editors trying to put in links to commercial companies. The wording is fine, the problem is the reference. Since outstaffing is a recognized process find a source for this information in an article about the topic rather than a particular company website. StarryGrandma (talk) 08:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ebroersma1984, the content you added was partly written in the second person, as if addressed to a customer; and contained a spammy link. Neither is acceptable in a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

It also was a direct copy-paste from the website. Ebroersma, are you employed by the company? —valereee (talk) 10:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a "please don't bite the newbies" policy, but if a new editor appears who is editing only one article (or trying to create an article about a person or business), it is standard practice to ask if the editor has a personal (see WP:COI) or employed (see WP:PAID) connection to the topic in question. Doubly true if there has been a copyright problem. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I found nany website articles that compared outsourcing to outstaffing (the latter appears to be your interest here), but like the ref you provided that led to your content being reverted, most of those are from companies offering both services. Try to find an outstaffing reference that is not a company promotion/link. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Activities in Wikipedia

how can I edit story books for kids in Wikipedia Amossimphiwe1 (talk) 10:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You can't. This website is an encyclopedia; its purpose is completely different. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You might want to see Wikibooks for that (if it's even still being used). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Amossimphiwe1 thank you for wanting to volunteer at Wikipedia. If you would like to edit Wikipedia articles about children's books you can read WP:TUTORIAL, and then go to an article that interests you, and work to improve it. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding a sentence to edit protected article

2021 Taliban offensive I made a request [4] to an edit protected article but how can I get someone to add it to the article. Nobody has bothered to respond even after 10hours 2405:204:5025:8F13:E1E5:5C7E:3E37:2E9C (talk) 12:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You just have to wait; there is a no obligation for anyone to respond to your edit request. ― Qwerfjkltalk 12:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a new policy - revert IP users with impunity?

This is happening increasingly: I make a reasonable - but, I accept, as always, debatable - edit, which is reverted so fast, that I can only think that it was done without any kind of checking. (I mean, the edit of mine above, as with similar recent incidents, does not scream "disruptive edit" on the face of it, I believe - So should deserve at least a cursory look to check.)

As in this case, when I check the reverter's history, there are masses of reversions, often solely, or nearly so, of IP editors. There is generally a mix of good and bad reversions, as in this case. It is also quite commonly an editor who does not use edit summaries.

I accept that if I choose not to register, I have to take the rough with the smooth, and I see lots of implicit and explicit suspicion of IP editors. I know there are reasons, too. That has never worried me (too much!), but there seems to be a noticeable upsurge in this kind of thing. And it's getting disheartening. Could there be any special reason for this taking off in the last few months? For example, are there special anti-vandalism projects that newly registered users are encouraged to undertake? Or something like that? Any ideas? I'd like to know how long to lay low for, giving WP a bit of rest, if I have to ride-out an anti-IP reversion campaign. But editing has been a real life-saver for me throughout the pandemic, restrictions, etc.

Also, can anything more be done to try to encourage habitual non-users of edit-summaries to a more collegial approach? I find the discourtesy of being reverted with no edit summary whatsoever, quite in-your-face hostile. I would never behave that way to others on WP, so find it really objectionable in registered users - some of whom seem to think they're superior creatures to troublesome varmint IPs.

Rant ended. Thanks for listening. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I opened a report on ANI about this particular editor about an hour ago here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Safari web - mass reverting IP edits without explanation because they seem to be making a significant number of problematic reverts. New editors jumping into anti-vandalism work with little idea of what they're doing is a common problem, you really need a decent grasp of Wikipedia policies before doing it but for some reason it's advertised as being a beginner friendly activity. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: User:Safari web indef blocked as a sockpuppet. David notMD (talk) 13:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The reported case is an outlier, but the underlying problem is real. It is certainly the case that

1. some users are a bit too quick to hit the revert button (especially with automated tools)
2. some users take less precautions when interacting with IP editors

I have no idea if those problems are on the rise, and I do not think anybody has a solution. It occurs from time to time that someone comes to complain about being reverted without an edit summary, we ping the reverter, and they come here to apologize. In the defense of those people, when you have spent the last 99 clicks reverting promotional material, you are not in a mood to carefully analyze the 100th edit that comes through the list, even if you ought to be as cautious as when you started out. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, as this reverter appears to have been blocked, they were clearly an anomaly. The occasional over-correction is understandable, and I do not begrudge that from the people you mention in the sort of circumstances you describe. I am concerned that it appears to be accepted that editors exercise less care when reverting the edits of IP users (compared to registered users). I say that, while aware that unregistered users are known for disruptive and clueless editing. I don't think the fact that a disproportionate number of such edits come from IPs should be the basis for a kind of creeping disrespect for all IP users' contributions, though, nor a preparedness to accept this sort of differential approach - even if there are reasonable grounds to develop this kind of implicit bias.

One of the things I was also trying to say, though, was, far from "careful analysis" on the 99th or 100th click, all that was needed was a very quick glance. The edits of mine - and of a few other IPs I've seen - that I have been discussing here, do not even remotely look like disruptive edits. It appears at times, that the extent of the process has been: 'IP made edit; can't see what for in first millisecond; must be bad, even if not, who's gonna pick me up on it?"

I don't want or expect an apology with such events; these things happen, even with the well-intentioned editors who seem to do this. It's just one of those things, but I thought I would bring up how cumulatively demotivating and disheartening it is. With all the massive work done on WP in holding back the tide of low-quality material, while trying to widen the scope and enhance articles, I realise this is very small beer indeed, perhaps to the point of being irrelevant. I thank you all for your attention and responses. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

If anyone with the "rollback" user right is abusing it consistently (not just making an honest mistake now and then), that should be reported at WP:ANI or to the administrator who granted the right. Rollback should be granted only to users who can be trusted with it. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Errors will of course occur - I make more than my fair share! - but that seems more of an argument for the use edit summaries when reverting - always. And I am not certain if "rollback" was used in the cases I am thinking of. But, even when editors use WP tools to revert, is there still the capacity to briefly mention the perceived issue in the ES?

As for "occasional mistakes": It's more about patterns of reverting and communication (or lack of) that I am thinking of, and what that suggests about WP's real-life approach to unregistered editors. Just to give a flavour of what I mean, note the edit summaries employed by this editor. They extensively revert, for sound reasons from what I can tell, and they are always quite terse in their ES. However, when it's a registed user, there is some brief effort to explain. When it's an IP user, there is only ever one explanation: "Revert IP". And that is my concern, (not from this editor, to be clear, just using them as my example.) I note in passing that I asked on this editor's talk page - and then later, on mine - to discuss a reversion they made; I received no reply, so re-instated the reverted reference repair. (While not very talkative, this editor does usually reply to questions from registered editors on their talk page.) But that experience echoes several I have had. I realise there's no "fix" to all this: I guess I just hoped to raise awareness.

Anyway, thank you very much, @192.76.8.74, @David notMD, @Tigraan and @Anachronist for taking the time to respond. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:The World of the Orient (journal)

•  Courtesy link: Draft:The World of the Orient (journal)

Dear colleagues, Could you help me to improve my draft to publish it. Scientific articles about history of our academic journal (The World of the Orient) was published in Ukrainian language, so I can not give: "...the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Please help me in this problem. Spectatorius (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spectatorius: Hello, welcome to the teahouse! There is no requirement that sources should be in English, if this journal has received coverage in Ukrainian language sources then it is completely fine to use those sources as the basis for the article. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spectatorius: You'll find more information about citing non-English sources at WP:NOTENG; however, please understand that while non-English sources can be cited, they will still need to satisfy Wikipedia:Reliable sources. In addition, you might be asked to provide information about the sources in English to help others assess them if they have concerns about their reliability. Finally, you yourself don't need to be a native Ukrainian speaker per se, but you're also going to be expected to be competent enough in Ukrainian to read the sources, self-assess their reliability and then properly use it in WP:RSCONTEXT. If you're not, then you should try to find an editor who can via WP:TRLA or maybe even at WT:UKRAINE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Liakat Ali

You may create the page "Liakat Ali (Artist)", You may create the page "Liakat Ali (Artist)", Dear, When I creat my page in this subject- Liakat Ali (Artist), it show the page but after some hour it does not show, and the guide you do as like the subject I am Asking you , What is the wrong? You do guide some time , but difficult to understand what you want? would you say shor and any guide that can help.

Music in color for Liakat Ali (Artist)

Music in color (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 Music in color (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Presumably you haven't read your user talk page? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Help

How Can I add References on my posts Emmy Rey (talk) 14:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I recommend taking a look at Help:Referencing for beginners, it explains everything you need to know about referencing on Wikipedia! Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Please stop asking the same question in multiple places. You got replies on the Talk pages of Rubbish computer and David notMD. David notMD (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Syed Taha Bukhari

hii, can you help me in creating this article Draft:Syed Taha Bukhari please... and i can't understand, how can i improve it? Ttttt321 (talk). 16:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! Thanks for trying to contribute to Wikipedia and we hope you stay. Your draft is not written in an encyclopedic way. It's written like you're telling a story, or like a blog post. And the subject may not be notable enough for inclusion. You should aim for complete neutrality when drafting your article. Please take a look at this section to get a more detailed idea of how you could improve it. Feel free to come back and ask specific questions along the way. Happy editing! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

New Article

How can a user create a new article on wikipedia. What is the eligibility 2006nishan178713 (talk) 16:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@2006nishan178713, Hello! This is difficult for a beginner but here is some guidance: Pick a topic that meets the demands at WP:GNG. If you don't have the sources demanded there, what you write will be removed. Next, learn how to add inline citations correctly, this is essential. WP:TUTORIAL and WP:REFBEGIN can help with that. Guidance on how to start an article is at WP:YFA, and if you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP as well. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Tack för vägledningen 2006nishan178713 (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Inga problem! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Change a Redirect page into a Stub-class article: How? (Eyal Press)

I was looking for an article on Eyal Press. All that Eyal Press has now, is a Redirect to the article on the Russell Sage Foundation. I just started a Talk page on Eyal Press, even though it's a Redirect page -- I got to the Redirect page by clicking the link at the top of the Foundation's page. The article will be pretty weak, but Press does deserve coverage. More on the Talk page on the existing Redirect page. Oaklandguy (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

}} Oaklandguy (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Oaklandguy. People are more likely to see your comment if you put it on Talk:Russell Sage Foundation. If you think that the Eyal Press meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then the redirect could be expanded to an article; but if you want to do so, I recommend that you treat it as a new article, and use AFC to create a draft: the reviewer who accepts it will move it over the redirect. Alternatively, if there are sources for it but not enough to establish notability, I suggest you add a section to Russell Sage Foundation (I'm assuming that there is some connection, giving a reason for the redirect): don't creqate a stub if you don't believe it can ever satisfactorily be expanded to an article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, ColinFine. As to notability: Eyal Press is the name of an author whose book was recently reviewed by the New York Times, among others. He was a Visiting Journalist at the Russell Sage Foundation in Spring 2016 That, in itself, is not enough to establish notability, but that webpage would be a source to cite. I've seen some articles that are called "stub class", but I thought were quite decent starts -- what I meant was, a page on Eyal Press could well become more of an article, just not an elaborate one, especially if other editors improve what I would provide. I've made lots of edits but I've never started an article before. I had only a vague idea of the "Articles for creation" process -- I didn't know what it was called -- now I understand that a bit better. Also, now I know that some person in that process (but not me) could do the technical part of replacing the existing redirect page. Oaklandguy (talk) 04:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Oaklandguy - I assumed Eyal Press was the name of a publishing house! Again, whether or not it can be expanded to an article depends not on the skill of the editors who try and do so, but on whether the sources exist. --ColinFine (talk) 09:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine, here's another idea. Maybe I should add Eyal Press to Requested Articles. It would go in Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Biography/By_profession#N–S. I could describe why it should be an article and the problem with the existing setup (the redirect page isn't useful except to editors). I could add some citeable sources (I have 2 so far, could easily find more). I think there will be an article someday on Eyal Fine. Oaklandguy (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

References

You're welcome to do so, Oaklandguy, but to be honest WP:RA is mostly a graveyard for ideas. In principle people might pick them up, but I don't think it happens very often. I suggest creating the draft yourself - if at some point it's left six months without being edited, it might get deleted, but as long as you keep working at it slowly, it'll stay until you think it's ready to submit, or you decide that he doesn't meet the criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion: Move the Table of Content Box outside the Article

I did a search to see if this topic has been addressed in the Teahouse in the past but couldn't find a discussion on it. I very much like the general layout of Wikipedia pages, but suggest that the Table of Contents be moved to the left sidebar area, and constructed so that the table remains visible while the user scrolls through the article contents. This would provide a way for the user to rapidly jump from one part of the article to others quickly, without having to manually scroll back to the top for the table. The general Wikipedia links currently resident on the left side would need to be shifted to the bottom of the sidebar. 66.223.250.246 (talk) 17:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

This might help (although I'm not sure if it's available for IP addresses). ― Qwerfjkltalk 18:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Archive Bots

I added an archive bot to my talk page. Is there a good way to display links to the various archives at the top of the page? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The template {{Archives}} may help, or {{Talk header}}. ― Qwerfjkltalk 18:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Fake information on a person's page

Hey, I just want to let you know that the page about Tony Lien, is entirely fake, there's no sources, tried crosschecking and there's no results for him at his linked "achievements" whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Lien

How has this page been edited so many times and "confirmed" even though there's no way to confirm it since it's all false. Please please please remove all the "info" on this page. If I do it, it'll for some reason just be reverted even though it's all a lie... 81.167.61.224 (talk) 19:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I have tagged the article for speedy deletion. Thanks for bringing this here. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I concur after searching for sources. If it is contested then we can go to AfD. The article clearly does not provide sources that prove their notability. I searched for their awards as well. I'm having difficulty finding anything. --ARoseWolf 19:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Puzzling that this was created in February 2018 by User:Datasnoken with no record of edits before that, or since. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

They made 12 edits prior to that, all to Draft:Tony Lien. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Pyrrho the Skeptic. You've not tagged it for speedy deletion but rather proposed it for deletion, which takes seven days. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction, you are correct. I have modified my comment. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:39, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I've nominated the article for speedy deletion as a blatant hoax now. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Google returns precisely zero hits for the "Tony Lien" kickboxing query. --CiaPan (talk)

I deleted the hoax. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen. --ARoseWolf 19:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding a sentence to edit protected article

2021 Taliban offensive

I was asked to generate consensus here but I don't know how to, so I request somebody to do that. 27.7.10.112 (talk) 19:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You generate consensus by engaging in discussion on the talk page, to convince others why your proposal should be accepted and why it is an improvement. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Anachronist, I am new to Wikipedia, so please let me know how to use the "Request for Comment" template and how to "ping" editors (and which and how many editors can be pinged).

As an after thought, I request you to read this thread and add the sentence in question (the source mentioned is the Washington Post) as you are an Administrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:4D90:9497:4C15:4EB4:F36F:5685 (talk) 05:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

This isn't something that admins do, as they cannot override consensus. There's more information about how to generate requests for comments and pinging. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

What is &nbsp?

In some entries, I've written, for example, "p. 29." Another editor changes it to "(p. 29)." Why? It doesn't change the text, which continues to say, "p. 29." Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Please go into "Edit source" to see what another editor changes it to. You can't see it otherwise, because, as I said, the text continues to say, "p. 29."Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Hello, welcome to the teahouse! &nbsp is a non-breaking space - this means that when your computer or phone is looking for places to insert a line break into a long paragraph it won't break apart the two things on either side of the &nbsp. This means that the pp. will stay attached to the page number and you won't end up with a situation where the pp. is at the end of one line and the page number at the start of the next. Hope this helps, 192.76.8.74 (talk) 23:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

True, except that a semicolon is needed as well: "&nbsp;". -- Hoary (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@192.76.8.74: and :@Hoary: Good to know; I'll use it. Thanks.Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You can also use the {{nbsp}} template, which does the same thing. There are some guidelines for the use of nonbreaking spaces at MOS:NBSP. CodeTalker (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

citing source multiple times with different pages footnotes

How do we enter citations for the same source, but different pages, such as "Williams, p. 234-237"?Socratesart:talk 00:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC) Socratesart:talk 00:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You can use named references with the rp template. CodeTalker (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Is The Times Bulletin news source acceptable as per Wikipedia notable guidelines?

Hi everyone I have an interesting article to create and I am not sure about the reference can I give The Times Bulletin as an reference? Boti2481 (talk) 01:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Boti2481: It depends what you want to use it for, but it appears to be a reliable source (with history going back over a century). I suggest you create the article in draft space though, to give you time to work on it, so you don't have to worry about someone coming along and deleting it from main space. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Boti2481, the presumption is that it is reliable for news about people and events in and around Van Wert, Ohio, but certainly not for content pertaining to nuclear physics, art history or radioastronomy. Context matters. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

OP blocked per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AnonymousIndiaz. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

should i replace Template:Citation style on Cristina Merchán

i wany to replace Template:Citation style with Template:No footnotes. is my decision correct? please suggest. 28july21 (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@28july21: Yes, that would be more appropriate there. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue J Legal

Hello, everyone! My Draft:Blue J Legal was recently rejected by Tame. Since I haven’t found any advertisement or promotional content myself, I’m asking for help from more experienced users. I did my best to add sources to all the information in the article but you are more than welcome to correct me.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Blue_J_Legal Rupertdonovan (talk) 02:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Note: The user first took the reasonable step to contact the reviewer directly at User talk:Tamingimpala#Blue J Legal, and was directed here for assistance. GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that the current content is overly promotional but the greater problem, in my opinion, is that virtually all the references are based on interviews with the people involved or what I assume are press releases. So it is a question of establishing corporate notability using reliable secondary sources that are about the company rather than by the company. If you focus on any of these and trim some of the others, the draft would have a much greater chance of acceptance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jejsiguoa

Hello! I am an non-logged editor. I joined wikipedia and wikimedia commons with Jejsiguoa account on 29th january 2021. And till yesterday, I edited and crossed 500 contributions. But now, I want to transfer those accounts to a different ip address. Is it possible? How can I do it? the device with Jejsiguoa is now of no use to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.187.240.151 (talk) 04:25, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Your account is not tied to any specific IP address. You can log on to that account from any device. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I notice, however that a statement on your user page appears to be admitting to sockpuppetry for the purpose of block evasion. This is not permitted, and would be liable to get your account blocked. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Would I log out from the old device and join with Jejsiguoa from my new device?223.187.240.151 (talk)

As stated above, you can log into an account from any device that has internet access. You need not log out on other devices. I am occasionally logged in from a smartphone and a desktop computer at the same time, and that works just fine. However, you must not misuse access to evade blocks or to engage in sockpuppetry. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Spanish article

Subject do not qualifies for a Wikipedia article.

Hi Teahouse Editors, my name is Steve, hope all is well.

I'm new to Wikipedia.

Can someone please help me with my Spanish article? SteveJClay (talk) 04:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. Your sandbox draft submission was in Spanish, and was declined. If you wish to write an article in Spanish, you need to do so in the Spanish Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

asad

 182.184.67.245 (talk) 04:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 05:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Question by Chondhi

My Chondhi page uptil not showing in Wikipedia for public why? Chondhi (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Chondhi In short, you wrote it in the wrong place. Your userpage (User:Chondhi) is for, if you want, to write a little about yourself and what you do/want to do on WP. When you think Draft:Chondhi is ready, use the blue "Submit the draft for review!" button. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Question by Lovingheartloving

Why my three articles are not accepted yet? It's been 4 day. Lovingheartloving (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lovingheartloving As it says at (the bottom of) Draft:Vera Grabocka "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take a week or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Check also where the review waiting-template says: "Improving your odds of a speedy review". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

For your information, the backlog of drafts used to number in the thousands, and the wait for a review could be months. Your three may take a while because the refs are in Albanian. Also, in addition to the three drafts, you created Rainita Pupi in mainspace without going through the AfC process. In my opinion, the refs do not support her being a notable performer (10 of the 12 refs are about her death from COVID, which contribute nothing to notability). David notMD (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Atomy - List of Multi level Marketing companies

I am addingAtomy Name in the list .Atomy is a multibillion South Korea based MLM Company|1= boomboom 07:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I have removed your edit as we do not have an article about Atomy.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:11, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Shantavira:, maybe User:Bishwa 777 meant  Courtesy link: Atomy Korea? --Maresa63 ^Talk 10:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting timing: Bishwa 777 first tried adding Atomy to the list article. After that was reverted, Bishwa 777 created the article Atomy Korea. However, that article has now been nominated for Speedy Deletion. David notMD (talk) 11:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Sand Box

Hello Folks....What's the usefulness of sand box Emmy Rey (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Emmy Rey. Take a look at H:SAND. Basically, your sandbox is a place for you to test out your editing skills and perhaps develop articles. It is relatively free from "interference" from other users but is still, like all Wikipedia, visible to anyone who knows where to look. Don't place copyrighted information in there but otherwise almost anything you want to try out can be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Emmy Rey: I find it particularly useful if I'm trying to figure out how to do something tricky, like a complicated table. I experiment with it in my Sandbox until I'm happy with it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended confirmed editors

Hi, I am not able to use translation tool in en wiki as I am not an extended confirmed editor. I've been en wiki editor for over 3 years and made over 1,200 edits. How can I have this turned on? Wolfmartyn (talk) 10:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Wolfmartyn Per [5] you are extended confirmed, so the problem is something else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Gråbergs Gråa Sång:. This is the error I am getting, any idea what is it referring to?:

Translate page - On the English Wikipedia machine translation is disabled for all users and this tool is limited to extended confirmed editors.

Wolfmartyn (talk) 10:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia talk:Content translation tool and the instructions at WP:CXT#Turning the tool on and off? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Wolfmartyn: The ability to use machine translations is disabled on the English Wikipedia - as an extended confirmed user you can use the content translation tool but you will have to translate the material by hand. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Also you can't save pages into the main namespace, you will need to save your translations somewhere else. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Is it ok if I gradually edit this article?

As of now I have added 55 citations and I have to add 46 more + changing party colours and names. But I have some other work too, so may I edit the rest later? Or can I move the article to a draft sapce and edit it there and after completion, move it to the mainspace. Excellenc1 (talk) 10:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You can leave it as it is. -- Hoary (talk) 10:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Because of your recent work, I removed the tags at the top of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Gradually editing an article is always completely fine! Wikipedia editors are volunteers and as such are never obligated to do anything except follow the rules. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:40, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Please

Can anyone delete my account forever? Please delete it. Hyderabadi (talk) 11:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hyderabadi It is not possible to delete an account, for both technical and legal reasons(all edits must be attributed to someone); but you may just abandon your account, or you may request a courtesy vanishing. 331dot (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Accounts can’t be deleted for the reasons give here, but you can simply just not edit anymore if that’s what you want to do. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Although you have blanked your user page, older versions can still be read. If you want your user page (and all its older versions) deleted, just add "{{Db-u1}}" to it. If you have sandboxes or similar, you can also add it to these. (However, you can't add it to your talk page.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@331dot, Marchjuly, and Hoary: thanks. Hyderabadi (talk) 12:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Updating incorrect article - help appreciated!

Hello, please let me know if I'm in the right place. I work for Writtle University College (page here: Writtle University College) and have noticed that a lot of the info on our page is outdated or entirely incorrect.

I don't want to alter the page myself (I realise this could be a conflict of interest) but could anyone point me in the direction of finding an impartial editor to add updates? I could direct editors to sources (e.g. newspaper articles from third parties) or point out incorrect sections.

The colours listed in the info box are wrong, and so is the number of students and the motto. The info on the Northumberland Building Light Well Mosaic is very, very old - our students have done a lot of exciting things since then!

For example, we have a wide range of facilities and in 2020 we were the National Student Survey's UK's top raised institution for student satisfaction (https://www.essexlive.news/special-features/putting-science-practice-writtle-university-4525887) in addition to getting 100% satisfaction for some of our higher education courses ( https://www.hortweek.com/writtle-university-college-achieves-100-student-satisfaction-rating-horticulture-degree/parks-and-gardens/article/1693582) .

We also recently launched the UK's first permanent 3x3 basketball facilities (https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/writtle-university-colleges-summer-sport-festival-to-launch-uks-first-bespoke-3x3-basketball-courts/)

Writtle was the first UK university to offer degrees in Regenerative Agriculture and recently launched a new MBA (https://www.farmersguide.co.uk/university-leads-the-way-with-new-regenerative-food-systems-mba/)

If anyone would like me to point out more new info or incorrect details just let me know.

Any help appreciated! Essex.Comms (talk) 12:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Essex.Comms You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, Talk:Writtle University College, detailing changes you feel are needed. Other editors will see this and evaluate your request. 331dot (talk) 12:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Help adding criticisms to the IKEA page

I am a junior member at Earthsight and have been trying to add our reports to the criticisms section of IKEAs article. I appreciate Wikipedia's rules re: conflict of interest / self promotion, but I believe our work constitutes substantial criticism, is based on concrete evidence, and is relevant to the article. I've been asking for help frequently in the IKEA talk page but basically keep getting patronised for not being good enough with the formatting and criticised for my persistence as if I'm trying to do something wrong.

There's no denying we have an agenda here - we are after-all an advocacy organisation who want our findings widely known to pressure IKEA and FSC to reform their ways. However, our findings have been internationally reported on by news outlets round the world and can objectively be considered as valid, substantiated criticisms of IKEA.

This is my latest attempt which was denied "due to laughable formatting and incredibly obvious bias" - true I could not figure out how to reference in the talk article, but I'm honestly not sure how to proceed with the bias issue. I mention and link to Earthsight because it's our work and where the full report is, it seems weird to me to cut all reference of the source out, but I'm very much an amateur having a stab at this.

Use of Illegal Timber

In June 2020 IKEA was found to be selling beech chairs made from wood which was illegally felled in the forests of the Ukrainian Carpathians - including their best-selling Terje and Ingolf chairs. In their investigation Flatpacked Forests environmental NGO Earthsight found that many of Ikea’s melamine-­coated chipboard furniture products were made from Ukrainian wood of suspect origin.

The report focussed criticism on the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), the world’s leading green labelling system for timber, which IKEA uses extensively to prevent illegal and unsustainably harvested wood from entering its supply chains.

Ukrainian forester whistle­blowers explained how FSC audits could easily be undermined through corruption and deception, especially during the Ukrainian presidency of Viktor Yanukovych in 2011-14, who has been widely criticized for "massive" corruption and fostered an environment where fraud and the doctoring of official documents was rampant.

A further Earthsight report in July 2021 focussed on the brand's popular Sundvik children's range and Flisat doll's house as likely being tainted with illegal wood from protected forests in Russia. Ikea’s House of Horrors linked their furniture to Siberian forests under the control of one of Russia's top-50 wealthiest politicians, Evgeny Bakurov.

The investigation found that Bakurov's businesses broke numerous forestry and environmental laws, using a practice known as sanitary felling to cut down trees under the false pretext they were dead, dying, diseased or damaged. Over the last decade, these illegal deals have helped Bakurov controlled firms harvet 2.16 million cubic metres of wood.

Again, Bakurov's pine was certified by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), allowing it to enter into many other supply chains heading to Europe and the US, aside from Ikea's. The report argues a majority of the EU's imports from eastern Russia are potentially contaminated with FSC audits rarely mentioning or addressing the rampant illegal logging documented within Russian authorities.

Ikea denies all wrongdoing and has announced a temporary ban on sanitary felled wood from Siberia and Russia. The retailer insists Bakurov's wood was "legally harvested" – but have stopped purchasing from his associated companies, citing unspecified "practices of concern".

I'd be happy to work with an impartial editor to include our findings if anyone would be so kind TomElliott113 (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC) TomElliott113 (talk) 13:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

TomElliott113 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would first suggest that you review this beginner's guide to citations so you can work to resolve that issue. I do kinda think that you were dismissed too easily, and have said so on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

331dot sums it up nicely on the article talk page. There was also a response from Shushugah. The information is being looked at. I agree with the assessment that you should not have been dismissed so easily nor should you have been responded to in the way you were. All involved were cautioned not to WP:bite new editors who approach us in good faith and follow the guidelines and policies of reporting a COI or that they are a paid advocate. I feel very confident that your request will be assessed and handled well on the article talk page. Thank you, TomElliott113 for joining Wikipedia and hope you decide to continue to edit and contribute valuable information to the encyclopedia in other areas as well. --ARoseWolf 14:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Seeking reliable sources for The Village Of Brambleshire Wood

What reliable sources are there for The Village Of Brambleshire Wood? I had initially submitted it as a stub, inviting others to expand it, say, by including those reliable sources! Instead, it was moved to the draftspace.
ANY help along those lines will be muchly appreciated.
Parker Gabriel 14:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC) Parker Gabriel 14:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link:  Draft:The Village Of Brambleshire Wood Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Even Stubs have to have references at time of creation. If you cannot find reliable source references for this song, the draft will never be accepted. David notMD (talk) 15:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Parker Gabriel, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't want to be too negative, but... if writing Wikipedia articles was building houses, what you have done is said "I think a house would be nice here. I've propped up some walls: would somebody please build the foundations for me". Somebody might be willing to have a go at those foundations, but you're the one that wants that house there, so why should they? Furthermore, they may find that when they try to build the foundations that the ground is not fit to build on (the song is not notable). This is why writing a Wikipedia article starts with finding the sources: if you write so much as a single word before you've found the sources, you may turn out to have wasted the whole of your effort. Please sign posts on talk and discussion pages by inserting four tildes (~~~~) or using the signature tool: you've apparently signed longhand above, but haven't included a link to your user page or user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Is detail about burial remains suitable content?

I would like feedback on whether the information added in this edit of Marian and Vivian Brown is encyclopedic or if it should be removed because it is not encyclopedic or otherwise not suitable for Wikipedia. Thank you. Fabrickator (talk) 15:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

It depends. A detail like that should probably be discussed on the talk page. For what it's worth, I personally don't think the location of their urns is unique enough to warrant inclusion. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I get permissions from old accounts?

I have had 4 IP adresses and 2 accounts. Had they all been connected, I would have had 265 days of service and ~2,000 edits, which would give me a lot of permissions (Autoconfimered, Extenddend confimred...), which would be useful for me right now. Is there some way I can get them on this account? Starship SN20 (talk) 16:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Starship SN20 You can make a request at WP:PERM and explain your situation, as well as your need for the permissions you are seeking. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jejsiguoa 2

To the answer of my recent question, I wanted to create Jejsiguoa account again in my new device. But when I am creating an with account Jejsiguoa, it is showing Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name.. What to do?223.187.240.151 (talk)

You don't need to create an account for each device you use. Simply log in with your existing account information on whichever device you are using. 331dot (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Your account, Jejsiguoa, is stored on Wikimedia's servers. You just need to re-login to the account on your new device to regain access. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

Are we allowed to use French reliable sources? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 17:23, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. Great question! Here's what Wikipedia says about that: "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance. As with sources in English, if a dispute arises involving a citation to a non-English source, editors may request a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote, or on the article talk page." Happy editing. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: The information kindly provided by Pyrrho the Skeptic can be found at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Lo que en esta página es algo que Wikipedia no es?

Lo que en esta página es algo que Wikipedia no es?  Nave espacial SN20 ( charla) 17:39, 20 de Agosto 2021 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Starship SN20 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

¡Hola y bienvenido! ¿Qué quiere decir? ¿Podrías preguntar de otra manera? ¿Está esto relacionado con su otra pregunta? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Non! C'est une blague!

This isn't really something you should joke about. Also, there is a template that you should put with your question to indicate it's a joke, and you really shouldn't be making joke questions on Teahouse anyways. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, please speak English in this Wiki. There's a French Wikipedia though if you're more fluent in french (i don't know how to link to it) Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Why would someone who posts in Spanish be more interested in French Wikipedia than in Spanish Wikipedia? You'll find links to all Wikipedia versions from the main page of Wikipedia. --bonadea contributions talk 19:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, it appears they used a mixture of French and Spanish. The question was in Spanish but them saying that this is a joke is in French. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Blaze The Wolf: You could provide links to French Wikipedia or fr:Wikipédia:Accueil_principal. GoingBatty (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Since they seem to have copied their signature from another language wiki I'm adding this Starship SN20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) in case anyone wants to get to their talk page. FWIW their first edit is to redirect an IP talk page which is a bit odd and might reveal more info then they realize. MarnetteD|Talk 19:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

propose removal of massive unsourced content from Dogpatch?

There seem to be massive amounts of unsourced content in Dogpatch, San Francisco, and to be clear, I have no interest in making the effort to provide such citations. A repeated mantra that I hear on WP is that unsourced content may be removed without notice or discussion. But I still feel kind of cautious about this. So please provide some feedback as to whether it's really perfectly okay for me to remove unsourced content, such as from § Attractions and characteristics and § History. Fabrickator (talk) 19:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead and do so. If an editor disagrees with you they will revert and you can start a discussion per WP:BRD. Although if you would rather propose it then you can do so on the article's talk page. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Unclelam - still an active editor as recently as Sept 2020 (COVID?) - was the person who more than doubled the length of the article back in 2012, so perhaps ask that person to come back and fix stuff. In general, I feel under-referenced place articles are less urgent-fix than biographies. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: This raises a point that (based on your comment) seems to be in dispute. Because it is the responsibility of the person who adds content to provide sources, a revert of unsourced content (without having added the required sources) is interpreted as being against policy, or at the very least, is subject to itself being reverted. What part am I misunderstanding? Fabrickator (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I.... am not actually sure. I'm a bit misunderstanding as well as WP:BRD says that if you think an edit should be made, be bold and do it yourself and if an editor disagrees they will revert which will start a discussion of the edit so a consensus can be reached. However you make a good point that it's technically against policy to revert unsourced content as it is the job of the person who added the content to source it. However this seems to not be heavily enforced as unsourced content is removed all the time and then added back by a different person with sources. So I'm not exactly sure what the correct answer would be in this situation. Maybe another editor could help answer this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Fabrickator, I think you are technically sound. It is the policy as you have stated. However, I don't think the intent is to have editors running around deleted every sentence on every article that is unsourced. Maybe that is the intent of some, I guess I would be more likely to either add sources or place a citation needed template on a few unsourced sentences, otherwise I would leave it as it is unless it is a clear violation of NPOV or BLP. That is just me. I tend to leave articles alone unless I plan on working on them anyway. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

FYI - "BLP" is Biography of Living Person, and for those, all content must be referenced, removed if not. David notMD (talk) 22:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is the sequence of edits to WP:Verifiability which introduced the sort of self-contradictory guidance, stating at once that "the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material" while observing that "editors may object if you remove material without giving them a chance to provide references".

Notice how this compares to WP:Editing policy which states "unsourced content may be challenged and removed". I would note that "challenging" is distinct from "removing". According to WP:verifiability challenges, a challenge is "a good-faith claim that unsourced material cannot be verified in any reliable source".

In the absence of there necessarily being such a good-faith claim, these statements of policy would seem to be incompatible, and one or both of them needs to be changed. Fabrickator (talk) 00:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Userpage redirects

Hello! So after Colin accidentally forgot to capitalize the T in my username, it gave me a thought. Are users allowed to create user pages that are redirects to their own if the only difference between the usernames of the user pages is the case? I feel like this can cause issues if usernames are case sensitive (so for example, if I redirected the user page Blaze the Wolf to mine, it would cause issues if another user could create an account for Blaze the Wolf). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I don't believe redirects to cover alternative case are needed. I just tested and searching for:

User:Blaze the Wolf

or

User:Blaze The Wolf

Both provide a link to your user page.

No one else will be able to create a username which is identical to yours but just different by case (At least not without an override which is unlikely to happen)

I just did a quick review of Wikipedia:Redirect and I'm surprised to see that this is not discussed unless I missed something S Philbrick(Talk) 20:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. The weird thing is, when someone links directly to it User:Blaze the Wolf it doesn't redirect to my page. Is this a bug? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I know my former user name User:Tsistunagiska redirects to my current user page but it is an interesting question. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that's because when you change your username, it turns your old user page into a redirect. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Not at first it didn't. A sockpuppet created an account using my old user name and they had to change it and then were blocked upon completion of the investigation. --ARoseWolf 20:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh that's actually kind of interesting. They were more of an impersonator then than a sock. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

It was very odd. They weren't necessarily impersonating because we never edited the same articles. I have no proof but I did suspect they were watching for account name changes. I'm not really sure about the motive because I never contacted them. I wanted to be as far away from them as possible. This is my one and only account and I never want another one. It was a little unnerving until they were instructed by admins to change their name because of the connection with my account. What's even more odd is when I go to the redirect it says it was redirected the same time the change request was approved and moved. I guess there may have been a glitch of sorts or maybe they created the new account at the same time as the change was being processed, I honestly don't know, but it was weird to say the least. --ARoseWolf 20:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

The search bar automatically fixes alternate capitalisations (and a load of other things, like accents on letters) direct links don't and would require redirects. If you want to redirect User:Blaze the Wolf to your user page I think the best thing to do would be for you to register that account as a Doppelgänger account and leave it around unused, to prevent the redirect colliding with a later user. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I just tried to do that, however it said that it's too similar to my username, so I think it's safe for me to simply redirect it because if I can't create an account with that username, no one else can. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Does this Draft need anything else?

Hello! I'm trying to get my first wiki post published ... is there anything else I need to do to my draft? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr._Prudence_Carter

Also, someone else (don't know who) seems to have another draft on the same person ... (my draft seems more complete). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Prudence_Carter

Any advice would be appreciated :) Ddiptee (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Ddiptee meet Yhtomitttl, Yhtomitttl meet Ddiptee. As Ddiptee noted here, you are both working on a draft about the same person. Wikipedia actually has a guideline about what to do when there is a draft and an article about the same person (see Wikipedia:Processing drafts with duplicate titles). There is also a guideline if one draft has already been submitted (that one takes precedence and the other one is declined). Your situation is a bit different, as neither draft has been submitted. What I suggest is that the two of you communicate on your Talk pages, decide which draft to collaborate on, and let the other one go fallow. Could be which one got started first (Y), or which one has more content (D). If either of you have a personal connection to Dr. Carter, declare that on your User page. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Comment: Draft:Dr. Prudence Carter now redirects to Prudence Carter. GoingBatty (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I disclose that I am being paid to write an article for my company?

How do I disclose that I am being paid to write an article for my company? Merckie514 (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Merckie514 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

For future reference, please see WP:PAID. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Carol Hooven, Department of Evolutionary Biology at Harvard book: The Story of Testosterone....

Why isn't her book covered and annotated? SkybirdISLM (talk) 21:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@SkybirdISLM: She's been in the news recently for gender controversies. Sounds like nobody has taken an interest in adding her or the book yet, but I haven't checked to see if there are enough reviews to warrant a book article yet. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

This topic's also under sanctions, so I'd imagine that the editors working on it are making sure everything is in apple-pie order before submitting an article. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You said: Unambiguous: not open to more than one interpretation. So, you are only interested in if and by golly stories. Since truth is narrowly defined, that would mean the truth does not abide in you. 97.115.149.226 (talk) 03:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)