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MS Estonia

Aloittamasi keskustelu MS Estonia -artikkelin jakamisesta osiin on ollut auki jo melkein yhdeksän kuukautta, äänin 11 puolesta - 3 vastaan. Milloin tästä oikein tulee jokin päätös? Mitä asialle voi tehdä? JIP | Talk 13:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moi @JIP: kiitos että muistutit, olin jo unohtanut koko jutun. Pelkkien numeroiden valossahan tuo kyllä näyttäisi menevän jakamisen puolesta, mutta en tiedä mitä 'säännöt' sanovat, riittääkö enemmistö vai vaaditaanko yksimielisyyttä?

Pääasiallinen argumentti jakamista vastaan kai on, että laiva sinällään ei ole notable, joten pitää varmaankin etsiä lähteitä joilla tämä saadaan näytettyä, jonka jälkeen ei mielestäni pitäisi olla mitään syytä olla jakamatta. Yritän etsiä moisia tässä ihan lähitulevaisuudessa, jotta saadaan homma pakettiin. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revision of the Draft Article about Aziz Tazi

Hi there,

Thank you for cleaning up my article and pointing out some issues! I appreciate it. It took me some time and some back-and-forth, but thanks to the help of the kind people of Live WikiHelp, I was able to understand what was wrong with my previous submission. I just resubmitted my draft with, this time, only articles that provide significant in-depth coverage of the person, from reliable sources which were independent of him! I included links when they were available and made sure to avoid any online listings, interviews of the subject, or articles that were too short... You can also see that the press available about the subject is in multiple languages, emphasizing the international notability of the subject. By the way, there is a significant amount of press available about the subject online, and I only chose a handful of articles that I thought would be most relevant. I can provide more if need be. Please feel free to let me know if anything is still off. I also reformatted the links properly to avoid any "bare URLs". Again, thank you for your help with all this! Best, Nick

Hi there, Hope this finds you well. Just wanted to let you know that I edited the article with the comments you gave me along with other reviewers. Some people on the live chat said it looked good now. I understand that any AFC reviewer can check it out but just wanted to let you know to see if you can take a look. I submitted it several days ago. Hopefully, it's suitable for everyone. Thanks again for your help throughout this process.

142.129.10.243 (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest questions

Hello, I have addressed your concerns about conflict of interest in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Liboiron on my talk page. MunStudent47 (talk) 09:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What next pls?

Hi @DoubleGrazing: i'm actually expecting a feedback from you on my article Draft:Gracefield_Island i don't know exactly how it works - is there anything to add or remove, or should i delete the article and request it be created by someone else? Your comments needed.MooNeighTalk (talk) 09:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Akinola777: you don't need to do anything other than wait for the draft to be reviewed. There are c. 300 drafts awaiting review, so it could take another while. If nobody has done it in the next few days, ping me and I'll review it myself. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brighten A Day Draft

Thanks for your message on my Talk page and for your comments on the Draft:Brighten A Day page! The three main sources to verify notability would be:

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/siblings-senior-citizens-care-package-trnd/index.html

The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/nursing-home-loneliness-covid/2020/10/12/86083b44-0a37-11eb-859b-f9c27abe638d_story.html

CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/spreading-smiles-siblings-help-isolated-seniors-combat-loneliness-with-care-packages-letters/

Appreciate your help! Juyster (talk) 15:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thanks @Juyster: I don't have WaPo subscription, and the CBS clip doesn't play for some reason, but I'll pop those into the draft comments for someone else to check out. Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article approval

Hello your service. Can you confirm my article? I thank you very much. انیماتورهای ایرانی (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@انیماتورهای ایرانی: sorry, but I've no idea what article you're referring to? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Hossein Kamalabadi انیماتورهای ایرانی (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@انیماتورهای ایرانی: well, no, I won't approve it. Firstly, you haven't yet submitted it for review. And if you had, I would have to decline it, because it's not referenced properly, and there's no indication that this person is notable (among many other things wrong with it). Please continue working on the draft, and when ready, submit it for review as per usual. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot انیماتورهای ایرانی (talk) 19:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@انیماتورهای ایرانی: no problem at all. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 21:27:43, 12 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by JonnyHawkes

JonnyHawkes (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Kathryn McCamant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi DoubleGrazing,

For authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals in determining notability, the following criteria apply and are met by McCamant in all elements, when only one is sufficient:

The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or [McCamant's books have been cited over 700 times: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=%22Cohousing:+A+Contemporary+Approach+to+Housing+Ourselves%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,9 and https://scholar.google.com/scholar?lookup=0&q=%22Creating+Cohousing:+Building+Sustainable+Communities%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,9]
The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or [McCamant is widely viewed as the co-founder of the cohousing movement in the United States: https://bozone.com/bozeman-cohousing-katie-mccamant-lindley-center-jan-10-2020/, https://www.covisionconsulting.com/ourstory]
The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; [McCamant was co-designer of the first cohousing community in the United States, a significant contribution. She also wrote the first book on cohousing in the United States, once more a significant contribution.]
The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. [McCamant has won the World Habitat Award from the United Nations, denoting significant critical attention.]

For any biography, the following criteria apply and two are met by McCamant:

The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times; [McCamant has won the World Habitat Award from the United Nations.] or
The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field; [McCamant is widely viewed as the co-founder of the cohousing movement in the United States: https://bozone.com/bozeman-cohousing-katie-mccamant-lindley-center-jan-10-2020/, https://www.covisionconsulting.com/ourstory] or
The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography). [Could not find one at this time.]

I also note that her co-founder, Charles Durrett, has been recognized as a notable individual by the Wikipedia community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Durrett

Thus, of seven combined additional criteria by which a creative person's biography may be deemed notable, McCamant meets six of them. As such, I ask that you reconsider your decision.

JonnyHawkes (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @JonnyHawkes: thanks for your message. While I appreciate your (entirely rational and sensible, and also well structured — thank you!) arguments in favour of this draft, I think you're being rather generous in interpreting the various criteria.

Specifically on the point of co-housing, on which much of this revolves, it's clear from the draft and the sources cited that she did not originate the concept, but instead 'discovered' it in Denmark and imported into the USA.

With regards to the World Habitat Award, I did wonder whether that might meet one of the notability criteria. However, when I read the entry on the award website, it didsn't actually mention McCamant, therefore I concluded she hadn't received the award in a personal capacity, and if the project was the actual recipient, what her actual involvement in it was.

As for the point about Durrett having his article, this is the so-called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument which, while seemingly persuasive, actually isn't. (And having now looked at the Durrett article again, I think notability is far from certain in that one, also.)

So in conclusion, I think I will stick with my opinion, but I can offer this: if you resubmit the draft, and should it come up before me again, I will give it a miss and let another reviewer take a view instead; that way you'll get the benefit of a second (or rather third) opinion. Hope that's okay. Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing my article on Abdullah Al Mandous

Thank you very much for your valuable input. I really appreciate the time and efforts you put into reviewing my article. I have revised the page based on your comments and added independent sources including Khaleej Times and Saudi Gazette newspapers. Regarding the Zawya website, it is a news portal owned by Thomson Reuters here in the UAE whereas the Emirates News Agency (WAM) is the official news agency of the UAE, so I kept them because most of the stories and articles published about Al Mandous (the subject of my Wikipedia bio) are available in Arabic only. So, I am planning to create an Arabic version of the bio as well since he has significant coverage in Arabic media and he is also a prolific Arabic writer on topics related to rain enhancement and climate modification. As you advised I have also removed the part about his personal life due to the lack of sources. Stay safe & kind regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohamedajaleel (talk • contribs) Draft:Abdulla Al Mandous

COI questions

Hi.

Following up from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:RISE Financial Technologies, I think the question to put to you is:

Do you have a COI with any page that you have edited or intend to edit?

From a policy-ish perspective, do you think that all editors should be asked this question? If yes, when? On registration? On autoconfirmation? On page creation?

Do you think that all editors, even those who state no COIs, should make that statement in a defined place, such as the top of their userpage? SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SmokeyJoe: thanks for dropping by. I don't know if every editor should be expressly asked about COI, but it probably should be raised with all editors, especially new ones who may not be aware of the issue. What I tend to do is, if I come across a new article or draft where I smell a possible problem (say, a SPA writing about a borderline-notable business), I will routinely question that; not in an accusatory way, but to flag up the issue. I do that on the user's talk page, rather than the article/draft talk page, because I'm not asking whether any editor has a COI regarding that article, I'm asking whether that editor has a COI regarding that or any other article. Not saying that's the (only) right way to do it, I'm saying that's how I tend to do it. If I don't get a timely response to my query, or if the COI is fairly obvious, I may then also post a suitable tag on the article/draft (or in this case, I added an AfC comment to that effect, something which you clearly didn't think was correct or appropriate). Does this answer your questions? Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:30, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Andi Kovel page

Draft:Andi Kovel Hi! I’m trying to figure out how to get this Andi Kovel page published, and you rejected it earlier in the year due to there not being enough supporting references and links to legitimize it all. It was updated with all of that fixed, and it’s just been sitting dormant now for months… I’m wondering if you could help me get it published? Or help me figure out what’s wrong with it still and how to move it forward? Thanks a lot. Russlowe (talk) 16:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Russlowe: so just to clarify, I declined (not rejected, which means the end of the road for the draft; decline only means it needs to be improved before being submitted again) this draft one month ago. Since then, nothing has been done to it, and more to the point, it hasn't been resubmitted for review, meaning it's not currently even in the review pool. You need to make whatever edits are needed to bring it up to publishing standards, and then click the blue 'Resubmit' button to request another review (which can take anything from hours to weeks). HTH, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Rohana_Ulluwishewa

Draft:Rohana_Ulluwishewa Hi DoubleGrazing, Thanks for the talk page comment, but did you read all the articles referenced on the page? if you read so You will see all the appropriate links to the article. I have seen so many articles without even properly cited and still published. if you search the name you may get more information about the notability too. Wikiya007 (talk) 08:11, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]