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Hello, E1Char, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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May 2021

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to HAL Tejas Mk2, without good reason. They should have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BilCat (talk) I've requested on HAL Tejas Mk1 talk page but nobody replied or objected so I thought its okay to move as nobody objected; also the change was minor a small letter k replaced by a capital letter K so I thought it's okay (my bad!); sorry I'll not do that again without consensus (how does that work?) Also can you guide me to the dos and don'ts in Wikipedia editing before I end up doing something violating the guidelines and policies? Thank you--E1Char (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Something is still left ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

Sorry, I was disappointed at that time when you was reverted my edits and complaint to the Ranaboy for that. And also I have made some non-sense for your thought about wikipedia. I am not like that . When I get disappointed I do what seems right at that time. Please forgive me if feel bad for that behaviour. And please edit your user page and I have returned your loving thought you . If you want any help from than feel free to contact for that purpose or write on my talk page. Happy editing(I ame Shears (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)).[reply]

I don't know what you're talking about, that's why I did not respond E1Char (talk) 05:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Only 25"

You are going with the rapid pace.I am behind from you by number and experience. I want to do friendship with you and you are not replying.I think you are not disturb from me . YOU NEED ONLY 25 EDITS TO BECOME EXTENDED AUTOCONFIRMED USER . Good my friend . Happy editing. I ame Shears (talk) 06:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Misquote

It would be a lot better if u refer those reference properly. The arjun has 500 EFC compared to 250 of the T" series anks used by the IA, it would be better to know why u have removed that. And second thing is there has been no plan to equip the arjun with 125MM smoothbore gun no need to add those things. Helios007 (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Helios007: Actually I read that, but it has of no significance as - 1. it doesn't convey anything specific to the reader as -1. they does't know the benchmark of barrel life to compare with, I've encountered these unnecessary information when I was overhauling the Tejas article, TBH it's actually a mess to clear 2. to avoid the sentence getting paraphrased, 3. personal reason for the exclusion - we should not promote one by downgrading another that's not a right thing -Echo1Charlie (talk) 09:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And about 125 mm smoothbore, actually it was a fault, I usually edit during night, most of the edit to Arjun (if I remember correctly) are made during night, when someone pointed out that mistake I corrected it, I've no hesitation to accept reasonable correction, (I think I've made it clear in the edit summary) - Echo1Charlie (talk) 09:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, so, far there has been many half boiled liberals out there who just blindly follows some random guy on YouTube who criticize everything for his living, so,there has been many rumours spreader by those guys " that The rifled barrel used in the Arjun is shitty coz,it's life is far lower than smoothbore gun ,but in reality that's not the truth , the barrel life is 500 rounds compared to 250 rounds of T' series tanks which has an smooth bore Helios007 (talk) 10:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, that barrel life data is very important to prove that so called tank experts on social media are wrong. Helios007 (talk) 10:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Helios007: I know what you're talking about, but there's no benchmark to state that it's has good barrel life, comparing with that of T-72 is pointless as imported T-72 as far as I know were monkey models. Also I've stated that Arjun Mk1A has an improved barrel, so the curious reader, or the one who is in doubt would definitely check the citation provided, there they would get more information about the tank. Also it's better not to feed the troll as they would pull out one after another rabbit, and that cycle would continue.. it's a total waste of time. -Echo1Charlie (talk) 11:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Echo1Charlie I have seen your recent vandilism of infos that I have provided with detailed link,plz don't discourage others from making valuable changes. see those and if there's any issue leave an message on talk page. The arjun tanks are equipped with "SPADE" steel armour [1] . The "SPADE" armour is used for manufacturing the structural parts and base armour of the tank [2]. The spade armour offers enhanced protection of about 25 percent against APFSDS(125mm) rounds and 10-15 percent against 7.62 and 12.7 mm armour piercing rounds over existing RHA plates [3]. The SPADE armour also offers easy weld ability required for the construction of the structure over existing RHA plates.[4] Helios007 (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Helios007: The changes you made offer zero value to Wikipedia. โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 08:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not your job mister, if you are unable to understand the values then it does not mean that it has zero value. Its your lack of knowledge, don't Just vandilize the info which would be helpful for others Helios007 (talk) 08:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are not getting it. โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 08:58, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What excuse you have now??? This Wikipedia is not your property or your father's property to delete others work delebirately, teh data might be useful for someone who is interested in it,don't vandilize it like an illiterate, provide any valid info for deletions. Helios007 (talk) 09:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of unencyclopedic content is not vandalism. โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 09:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Helios007: Why are you abusing fellow editors?? โ€“Echo1Charlie (talk) 09:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abusing??? Its all about the person who takes the thing. Could u please provide me an proper statement for removal of spade armour?? The DRDO had even made the research article public and publically stated that it's been used for Arjun tank. What's the problem with u??? @Echo1charlie Helios007 (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] 

Wikipedia is for improving the knowledge,there's nothing wrong in learning those details which have been released by the govt . If you find no use with it its your problem @Echo1Charlie ,we need to provide info the people ,no need to sensor those details which have been publically revealed there's no use in that. Helios007 (talk) 09:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Helios007: You've abused fellow editors, you made disruptive edits on a article ignoring all warnings(https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Arjun_(tank)&diff=1033872601&oldid=1033833092), you attached malicious link (https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Arjun_(tank)&diff=1033874544&oldid=1033873446) link to Wikipedia, I think you need to understand that wikipedia is not a forum where you can abuse anyone add anything -Echo1Charlie (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's no proof that it's an malicious link, if told by someone doesn't mean that it's an malicious link, had u opened at first place??? Don't Just blame others without having enough PROOF. I THINK THAT U MIGHT UNDERSTAND TAHT, DON'T DELETE EVERYTHING WITHOUT DISCUSSION ,coz thats not great thing, spending hours for searching all those things and getting them deleted within seconds makes one fell discourage. Wikipedia is not an forum where u can delete everything by saying "PLZ DON'T DISCOURAGE ME I SPENT LOT OF TIME FOR RESTRUCTURING THAT BLA BAL. everyone have spent their valuable time in contributing to Wikipedia right, tell me the error in my article I will rectify it. Helios007 (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just fed off by these unnecessary arguments, just guide me where I did wrong I'll retify it. Just like the Barrel issue that was previously encountered Helios007 (talk) 09:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per IP Quality Score, the URL you sourced is rated as "suspicious due to matching indicators of similar malicious URLs. The root domain for this URL is currently parked. 164.100.47.193 appears to be a parked domain, or recently configured which is suspicious. 164.100.47.193 has been associated with recent spamming activity." โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 10:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At my own risk, I visited the unsafe URL and received the following error message:
Server Error 404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 10:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It happened to me too, when I visited that site to verify the claim made โ€”10:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)Echo1Charlie (talk)

Reasoning Required

Hlo,there , I have noticed your recent deletions of my articles in the armour section which had all the required citation neede. Could u point out the cause for deletion?? DON'T JUST SAY THAT ITS AN UNNECESSARY INFORMATION WHICH HAS NO VALUE. Helios007 (talk) 11:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even though this is a waste of my time, I'll break it down for you.
  1. The biggest issue is WP:RS. The source you provided is non-existent and delivers a 404 error.
  2. The grammar and style is not consistent with WP:MOS. There are several grammatical errors.
  3. The tone is unencyclopedic. It is not formal, impersonal, or dispassionate.
โ€“โ€“FORMALDUDE(talk) 11:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 11:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of HAL Tejas

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article HAL Tejas you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tayi Arajakate -- Tayi Arajakate (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hai Thank you for taking time to review Tejas article, I'm happy to cooperate with you.โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 12:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of HAL Tejas

The article HAL Tejas you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:HAL Tejas for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tayi Arajakate -- Tayi Arajakate (talk) 20:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sixth-generation fighter article

User:Echo1Charlie 3RR rule is not the reason. You have done this manually too. I have my personal works to do. Maybe you are part of your government or BJP's IT cell and get paid for it. As of July 2021, neither any 6th generation fighter program announced by India yet nor name of any future 6th generation fighter anounced as "HAL AMCA MK2/Mark2". So please do not add these information untill officially anounced by Indian authorities. The reality is Indian 5th generation HAL AMCA is still in prototype development process as of 2021. India planed to add some 6th generation technologies in later variant/variants of 5th generation HAL AMCA but Indian official did not claim this will be a 6th generation fighter. Why India would run 5th and 6th generation fighter program at a same time? You are the man who is responsible for spreading rumors in Indian miliitary fan community. The mixture of truth and falsehood has taken shape in your nature. Time will prove that I was right. Bye, remember me. Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you would get enlighten all of a sudden your discussion proves that here at Talk:Sixth-generation fighter โ€” subsection "Indian so called sixth-generation fighter program"; also I didn't broken the 3RR rule I had a check on itย :) (verify it) BTW I'm glad that you got the point from the warning, and here is an advice don't take hatred to Wikipedia, here our community is founded on trust, respect, friendship and cooperation. Have a nice day.ย :) -Echo1Charlie (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC) (htt[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your tireless efforts on maintaining the Vaccine Maitri page. Keep up the good work! -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Thank you so much This is my first barnstar โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The India Star
Dear Echo1Charlie, thank you for your contributions to India-related articles, especially your recent edits to the article about the Vaccine Maitri, Kargil Vijay Diwas. Keep up the good work! You are making a difference here! With regards, - N Jeevan (talk) 18:01, 29 July 2021

โ€”Thank you @N Jeevan: bro, this is a great encouragement for me Thank you very much โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For catching a banned user's sockpuppet. Good work! โ€“โ€“๐—™๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐—น๐——๐˜‚๐—ฑ๐—ฒ(talk) 06:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @FormalDude: This is an encouragement for me Thank youย :) โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 06:44, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Please read WP:BURDEN as it relates to the edits. Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation... I look forward to you either tagging it as such or providing adequate citations. The onus is on you. Thanks, Albertaont (talk) 05:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Albertaont: I was not aware of this policy/rule, all I thought was we should not remove content but add [failed verification] template, It was a my mistake. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Albertaont: TBH those claims are not made by me, I don't know whether they are true or false. I responded as you were removing cited content, till now my understanding was that we should not remove content with citation but add that template as I mentioned. So obviously it was a disruptive edit to me. That's why I reverted your edit. Once again sorry โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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August 2021

Stop icon

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editingโ€”especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's workโ€”whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each timeโ€”counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warringโ€”even if you do not violate the three-revert ruleโ€”should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

I won't let you compromise neutrality of an article/content on my watch. you're free to take action โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 10:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For referenceย : https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder&diff=1038884011&oldid=1038883799 โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 10:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

and do you believe the statement issued by Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor(an official Indian military spokesperson) is unbiased. HIAS (talk) 10:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both participants are advised of current edit warring discussion

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Alpha3031 (t โ€ข c) 15:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for informing me, I've responded. โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arjun {tank}

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Arjun (tank) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the article moving forward.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:58, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Twofingered Typist: Thank you very much! Much appreciated!! โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Echo1Charlie: You're very welcome. Thanks for the barn star! Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcomeย :) More power to you!!โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement of R-77 missiles by Derby Missiles

Please explain why the statement about replacement for R-77 missiles by Derby missiles was removed. This is one of the aftermaths, hence it is in the aftermath section. In addition, the references are from a reliable source.

I've made it clear in the edit summary, it was removed due to improper citation style. Please correct it, or someone else will removed it due to the same reason.โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 14:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Balochistan

Hi. I saw that you are editing in this topic.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Insurgency_in_Balochistan&type=revision&diff=1044292873&oldid=1043383521] My writing was deleted.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Instrument_of_Accession_%28Kalat%29&type=revision&diff=1044248781&oldid=1042357934] Keep an eye on these and if you can make this right please do that. Wiki31295 (talk) 13:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wiki31295: Sure, I'll keep an eye on it. โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May I add canvassing other users for editing on someone's behalf is against wiki rules and also you are adding material which is clearly from unreliable blogs etc. PremijAnans (talk) 06:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Special forces

Hi, with regards to the edits you made, they are still available in the page's history, if you wish to revisit them. Going forward, where possible, if you could be more specific with your summaries, it would be very helpful, ie: which source are you referring to, and if there is a quote or a page number you could add, that would also be helpful. Thanks for helping to improve Wikipedia! - wolf 20:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewolfchild: Greetings, lets come to the point
  1. [5] - this edit was made as there was no inline citation to it - edit summary - unsourced content WP:BURDEN
  2. [6] - again with no inline citation - edit summary was - unsourced content
  3. [7] - source attached to it [8] reads - "A column of Mukti Bahini โ€” native Bengali "freedom fighters", many trained and armed in India" - edit summary was as per cited source (interestingly another source attached to the next claim also backup this claim here - https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=GtCL2OYsH6wC&q=mukti#v=snippet&q=mukti&f=false page 170)
  4. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special_forces&diff=1044347235&oldid=1044338861] - source already states that; read here - https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=GtCL2OYsH6wC&q=mukti#v=snippet&q=mukti&f=false - page number 170, second last paragraph - last sentence
  5. [9] - sources attached to this claim (this -https://www.thedailystar.net/news/the-battle-for-bangladesh or this - https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=GtCL2OYsH6wC&q=mukti#v=snippet&q=mukti&f=false cited page number 170 does not states that " It was instrumental in securing the Surrender of Pakistan and the liberation of Dacca and other cities in December 1971" (please verify that!) and its edit summary was - misquoted, source does not explicitly states that 2/2- means misquoted 2/2 sources cited

I hope this clarifies your doubts. Regards โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 06:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is great, there is plenty of detail there and pretty much covers everything. A couple minor points I will add however;

1) since this is too much for info for an edit summary, I would've suggested (and still do) that you add this to the article talk page (just the list of info) then revert your changes back in, with a link in the summary pointing to that entry on the article tp.

2) I see that you've already reverted the edit. Typically, once an edit has been reverted and a discussion started, no more reverts or edits of that content should be made until the discussion has concluded. (Basically following wp:brd, a widely accepted norm.) To do otherwise is just bad form. In some instances (not here though), it could be considered disruptive. There's no harm in waiting for a response.

In this instance, I have gone and made these adjustments. The edit details are now on the article talk page (see Talk:Special forces#Bangladesh Liberation War (1971)), with a dummy edit then added to the article page history directing readers there (instead of here). Basically separating the details of your edit, which should be on the article talk page, from the rest of the discussion here. The remainder of this discussion on your tp isn't about the article, but about editing in general. I think you did a great job with the follow up, there is plenty of detail. If I had any further questions about that edit or the article, I would now ask about them there (but I don't). Any further questions or comments either of us may have about this discussion, should be added here, so as to keep the two threads separate and distinct. Thanks again for the follow up, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. (I'll put this page on watch for a week just in case). Otherwise, keep up the great work! Have a good day - wolf 08:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewolfchild: I did not mean to disrespect you, I reverted it as I've provided the details here, I'm extremely sorry if it hurts you. โ€”โ€”Echo1Charlie (talk) 18:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No apologies are necessary! I was just trying to convey some helpful information to you; some from Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, some that is just common practice and rest is just my humble opinion. So no worries, there is no disrespect or hurt felt on my end, I'm just sorry that my messages to you seem to have caused you so much confusion and anguish, as that was not my intent. So please feel at ease now, my friend, and carry on with the great work that you have been doing! - wolf 19:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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