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Sairg

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For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sairg/Archive.



13 August 2021

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets


I am listing it here because Ananya Taye seems most likely to be "SashankaChutia", who is archived to Sairg. But could be either Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Penguinnumbers/Archive or Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qwertywander/Archive. All these socks are WP:SPA and try to push a legendary account of the Chutia kingdom as history. This has been a multi-year phenomenon. These socks use IPs extensively to target other pages, and I am not listing them here, since the primary pages they target are mostly semi-protected (Chutia people, Chutia kingdom, Template:Chutiya Dynasty etc.)

The similarity with SashankaChutia is the following. There was a very long discussion on the domain of the Chutia kingdom, here. After a long discussion, SashankaChutia was identified as a sockpuppet. Ananya Taye now is pushing the same boundary that SashankaChutia was pushing for, now with a map ([1], [2] etc.) and using the same arguments SashankaChutia was making. All these socks go by their own interpretations of WP:PRIMARY texts and are incapable of coming to a consensus. Chaipau (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum

I have added IP 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd and 103.92.41.152. Users Ananya Taye and the IPs were making very similar edits very close to each other in their timestamps.

  • In Kamarupa: IP address [3], Ananya Taye [4].
  • In Raja Prithu. It looks like these edits are by the same user changing IDs to avoid a 3RR. 103.92.41.152 [5], [6], [7]; 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd [8]; Ananya Taye [9], [10].

Chaipau (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems I had reported this the two IPa at ANI [11]. Just putting it down here for the record. Also pinging Uncle G from that thread. Chaipau (talk) 23:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Information

@RoySmith: I am providing below evidence that Ananya Taye has the same behavior/interest patterns as the following two confirmed sockpuppets of the master Sairg and which was reported in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sairg/Archive#16_September_2020:

A very keen interest to extend set down a particular boundary of the Chutia kingdom:
Ananya Taye uses a different tact to set the boundary down - by using a map which is not supported by modern historians which is identical to the one SashankaChutia and Ballav saikia are arguing for. (edited) 11:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Ananya Taye insists on using primary sources to support his claims (in this case Buranjis and others).
  • Ballav saikia: [15]
  • SashankaChutia: [16]
  • Anaya Taye: rejecting a secondary source on the basis of a primary source [17] (edit summary); Using primary sources [18] and it was pointed out Ananya Taye just rejected the established Wikipedia policies [19].
The sockpuppet SashankaChutia had created a map [20], which an IP editor started pushing after SashankaChutia was banned [21], [22] etc. This is the same map that Ananya Taye uploaded into his account as "own work": [23].
I shall be happy to provide additional information if this is not sufficient. Though the Chutia kingdom article could be of interest for many editors, the sustained interest in putting down a specific boundary is a special interest of this editor.

Chaipau (talk) 10:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Thank you for your recommendation. If SashankaChutia has gone stale, then we may try some more recent ones. The blocking of SashankaChutia triggered a number of new accounts that were confirmed to be socks—and maybe we can CU against them. They are:
Berean Hunter is most familiar with this sock—unfortunately he is inactive on Wikipedia now. Pinging JzG in case he has some inputs here.
Chaipau (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional connections between Ananya Taye and SashankChutia

There were a number of attempts made by anonymous IPs in June 2021 to include the map File:Ahom territories until 1522 AD with the territories of Raja.jpg created by the confirmed sock SashankaChutia in Ahom kingdom ([24], [25], [26]). I reverted the last insertion with the edit summary that this was being removed on the basis of WP:BE, on 23 June 2021 [27]. On that same day and within a few hours, Ananya Taye uploaded the same map as "own work" [28], but with the date backdated to 1 May 2021.

I am not adding the IP editors to checkuser request. Please advise whether I should, RoySmith. Thanks!

Chaipau (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC) (edited—added checkuser request for IP address as per advise below) 23:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Checkusers aren't going comment on IPs publicly, but it doesn't hurt to list them in the report. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Checkuser request

Requesting additional check user for:

This is a new user account which that seems to follow the pattern of user:Ananya Taye and other socks listed in the lists above. Pinging RoySmith for visibility. Chaipau (talk) 13:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What in particular makes you think Simolke2 is a sock of Sairg? I'm not seeing any editing overlap with recent socks, and on a more technical note, all the other socks I looked at use mobile, but Simolke2 never does. Can you supply some specific diffs that demonstrate socking? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Thank you for your due diligence on Simolke2. This user is following the same pattern established by previous socks: SashankaChutia, Ballavsaikia; and the user we are interested here Ananya Taye.
Since the main articles of target Chutia kingdom and Chutia people are semi-protected, these accounts spend some time minor-editing other articles till they become eligible for editing these article. In this case, Simolke2 started with some technical edits which showed that the new user is familiar with the technical aspects of Wikipedia ([35], [36], [37], [38], etc.) but not very familiar with the subjects per se. But the first edit where the user showed special knowledge was here: [39].
Usually, this is followed by the same pattern (WP:PRIMARY, WP:HEAR, WP:POINT etc). The user was originally banned for sockpuppetry while edit warring using multiple accounts; but subsequent behavior has been based on using one account at a time for targeting these two article till it is discovered as a sock when a new account is created. The user is trying hard to lose the association with these socks, but the mature behavioral issues are a dead giveaway.
Please let me know if you would like me to expand on anything in particular.
Chaipau (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: I am afraid I was not clear. Ananya Taye should not be matched against Sairg, but with SashankaChutia, Subhashish Bora, and Ballavsaikia. Chaipau (talk) 12:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 Additional information needed. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:

  1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
  2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
  3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.
You're going to need to give more specific evidence. This is a big complicated case, and you've noted they could be any of three possible masters. That makes it very difficult to do any useful analysis. Actually, I'm inclined to close this with no action taken; looking at the technical indicators like timecards and editing clients used, I'm willing to believe that Homogenie and Ananya Taye might be the same person, but ​neither look anything like Sarig. The pages being edited here are the kinds of topics which draw great interest, so it's not surprising that there could be several people with similar points of view. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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