Talk:Sayf ibn Umar

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There is a section for shia view also another section was sourced from another wikipedia article copy and paste style so it has to be removed or a proper reference provided. 82.132.186.138 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edits breaking source-text integrity and based on primary or unreliable sources

@ShuratiMuslim: in your latest edits here and here (combined view [1]), you have moved sourced text away from its sources (e.g., "It also contains important information[...]", "Little is known about Sayf's life.", etc.), you have added information based on inappropriate use of primary sources (only citing al-Tabari for "According to some sources, Sayf's full name was Sayf ibn Umar al-Usayyidi al-Tamimi" is original research), you have added information based on unreliable sources (https://www.al-islam.org/abdullah-ibn-saba-and-other-myths-sayyid-murtadha-al-askari/investigation-concerning-saif-and-his), and you have removed sourced information without any explanation (e.g., "on the structure of early Muslim armies"). Moreover, you introduced a copyright violation by literally copying text from https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopedia-of-the-medieval-chronicle/sayf-ibn-umar-SIM_00255?lang=en . This is not acceptable. You should argue and convince other editors here on the talk page that your proposed edits should stay (see WP:CONSENSUS). If not, they will be reverted. Thanks for taking this into consideration. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention that if you would like other editors' opinion on the reliability of an article by Murtada Sharif 'Askari published by al-islam.org, we have a special place on Wikipedia to ask this kind of question, called Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. If you go there to ask about this source, please don't forget to mention that we have an article on the organization behind the website, Ahlul Bayt Digital Islamic Library Project. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apaugasma, I would answer one by one, 1. I moved sourced text away from its sources for example 'It also contains important information on the structure of early Muslim armies and government'. I don't think this line should be on the lead paragraph. It suits much better in the Kitab al-Futuh sub-heading. Removing the source infront of 'Little is known about Sayf's life' was a mistake. The source was still not removed and was infront of 'Sayf belonged to Banu Tamim'. 2. Added information based on unreliable sources. I still think al-islam.org is a reliable site, and its author Murtada Sharif Askari. 3. Now let me talk about the information you removed without explaning. You gave no reason to remove my updated 'Works' heading and the information, based on reliable sources, I gave in it. Then you removed the infobox I added, again with no explanation. You also removed the line 'Linda D. Lau and A. R. Armush also regard Sayf ibn Umar as reliable and accept his accounts and the role of the Saba'iyya at the Battle of the Camel' for which I gave a clear and reliable source. ShuratiMuslim 10:17, 4 October 2021