Talk:Human rights

Human Rights article is too ambitious and covers too much, dilutes good points, biases towards bad points

Hi

I've noticed that the Human Rights page is far too ambitious in the way it attempts to cover every aspect of the topic. Because of this and the fact it's such a sensitive area, the page becomes too easily misrelied upon as a central reference. This leads to gross misunderstanding and misinterpretation away from factual and academic context.

I believe this page should be split into three different pages - not just different sections.

Page 1. A basic Human Rights page, addressing the cornerstones for the concept of Human Rights, and should be called just that: Cornerstones of Human Rights or Human Rights - Foundations. This page should cover the concept of a 'human right' from philosophy, religion, political ideologies, and legal angles. Not individual rights, but the juris and foundation precepts. This is a massive area of work that should be used to introduce readers to the overlaps and differences to what is seen as universal vs local, the school of thought that legitimizes human rights, and how the history or these disciplines impacts on what is a human right. There should also be a clear distinction that legal rights, equitable rights, moral rights, and human rights are all different but often confused. This page also needs to take a neutral global view, not a US-centric or Western-centric view. Otherwise it should be called US Human Rights, or Western Human Rights.

Page 2. A listing of agreed universal human rights, is a page to list human rights that are genuinely acknowledged and accepted under a global majority of cultures and countries. It's a dummies guide list of what is generally understood and accepted (without massive controversy) when using the term Human Rights. This is tricky in that many countries and cultures won't always agree, but this is part of the discussion under each listed Human Right. The purpose of the page isn't to add any controversial, nation specific, or developing / arising rights. It's to provide a guidance for the average lay person what are generally considered the basic Human Rights of the majority / consensus of cultures, countries, religions, etc. I know there is already a Universal Declaration for Human Rights page, but this is specifically for the UN instrument and focuses on this one source of agreed Human Rights - specifically on the UN agreement itself.

Page 3. A listing of all the idiosyncratic and controversial human rights that some countries are seeking or developing. Keeping these away from Pages 1 and 2 means that people do not assert these grey rights as definitively recognized human rights. This page can include all the debates for and against for each of these controversial rights, and comment on how the context of their proposal and support is driven by particular legal, religious, political and cultural norms and debates. This allows for debate and wiki member contributions to be quarantined from the established and accepted universal rights. Good examples of these are Euthanasia, Gun Rights, Pro life vs Pro Choice, etc. Many of these are driven more from idiosyncratic political and religious leanings rather than an over-arching universal view, and many of these are derivative of underlying concepts that might be Human Rights, but in stepping away into more specific applications become new assertions and are no longer implicitly Human Rights, and rely on moral, political, and legal debates.

As it currently stands, the Human Rights page covers all the above in a distracting and misleading way.

Thanks, and looking forward to the responses.

Agreed. Jdftba (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Regional Human rights

The idea of human rights is universal. The term "Regional human rights" is not valid. It should be: "Human rights in various regions" or at least "Regional human rights regimes." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daceloh (talk • contribs) 16:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Baltasar Garzon

please change ((Baltasar Garzon)) to ((Baltasar Garzón)) 2601:541:4580:8500:1F:6D75:A632:114F (talk) 00:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Volteer1 (talk) 05:55, 26 January 2021 (UTC)