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The image that says "Menelik's campaigns (1879-1889)" is falsified.

Hi, The image that says "Menelik's campaigns (1879-1889)" is falsified. There was no Gondar province that extends to Welkait before 1930. It is misleading. The expansion for Gonder province (i.e. Begemder province) happened on 1941. [1][2][3]

I am going to remove the map since it is misleading, and it appears to be added for the purpose of current day land politics (which is killing people). Lets only share facts please. Best regards, Truth gate keeper (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)Truth gate keeper Truth gate keeper[reply]

References

  1. ^ Bereket Habte Selassie, "Constitutional Development in Ethiopia", Journal of African Law, 10 (1966), p. 79.
  2. ^ "Sarah Vaughan, "Ethnicity and Power in Ethiopia", PhD dissertation, p. 123, 2003" (PDF).
  3. ^ Bahru Zewde, A History of Modern Ethiopia (London: James Currey, 1991), p. 86.

'Centralisation' Section

I'd recommend someone completely revise the 'Centralisation' center of this page. It has very evident biases, does not give proper context to events [references the last major war in Ethiopia as having been in the 16th century... and says tactics hadn't much changed from there??? This is incorrect, see 'Zemene Mesafint'. This period of constant warfare undeniably brought many changes to Ethiopia which should be explored in more depth. It also depicts Ethiopian wars as much more petty than they actually were. True geo-political motives are not mentioned or considered and should be, otherwise this falls largely into the trope of pointless 'tribal wars'. While on an individual level, conflict may have been about gaining trophies, ritual requirements, and looting goods - there was an undeniable other reason for warfare: political incentives, desire of certain trade routes, power, etc. 'Lords' were often driven by these desires - economic, geopolitical, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiddenHistoryPedia (talk • contribs) 23:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aanolee massacre

There is an editorial dispute about the 1886 Aanolee massacre. If you disagree with the sourcing and text in this version, which seems to be identical to the version prior to the edit war, then please explain what is wrong with the sources. Two alternative sources that have been suggested include zahabesha and Borkena (federal government news media). If these sources are serious enough, then WP:NPOV might be justified. Boud (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The references are not the easiest to use.

WP:NPOV-ing the current text (not deleting it) may be justified, but others should look through the sources, and maybe find better sources. The Abbas Gnamo book seems the most serious, as the only academic source. Boud (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abbas Gnamo says that his book was "based on extensive research undertaken over two decades" and that "the review process and the preparation of the final text took more one and half years." He claims that he "examined all the available sources in Ethiopian languages, foreign languages (including French and Italian) published and unpublished academic sources, theoretical works, and above all, oral data collected over a long period of time in Arsi-Bale regions from Amhara and Oromo informants." Boud (talk) 02:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC) The second part of the interview with Abbas Gnamo includes a discussion of the Aanolee massacre/mass mutilation and the claims of whether it happened or not, stating that the event "is deeply entrenched in the collective memory of the Arsi Oromo and Oromos everywhere. Some of the survivors lived with the mutilated right hands until the 1950s and 60s. One example which captured my imagination was an Oromo elder who lived with a militated right hand among the Jaawwii clan and who always showed his mutilated hand to the public, and explained how he lost his precious hand in defending their dignity and land." A 16-year-old in 1886 would have been 80 in 1950, and 90 in 1960. Boud (talk) 03:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added one more reference to a paper by Gnamo Abbas.[1] This is not small stuff; the man obtained his PhD at Sorbonne in Paris! Thank you, Boud for pointing to his interview also. We'll soon have enough materials to write a separate article in addition on the Aanolee massacre; it would be good if somebody could access the corresponding entry in the Encyclopaedia Aethiopica, Institut f. Afrikanistik und Athiopistik, Universitat Hamburg, Germany, 2004. And, I would suggest to Mooproop1: better to face it, so many countries need to face their past. Rastakwere (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Abbas, H.G., 1999. La conquête impériale éthiopienne des Oromo-Arsi (1882-1892). Africa, pp.85-115.

Aanollee

This is a fake massacre made up by tplf so stop putting it here. Zehabesha and Bokerna are much more reputable than the oromo.com websites you've provided. Menelik saved oromo from colonisation and had a wife and was christan. stop spreading lies. just because oromo region talks about these lies doesnt make them real. they haven't provided any "scientific evidence". it is just a lie to divide the country. i've cited many source proving that. stop spreading lies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WOLKAIT IS ALWAYS AMHARA GODNAR

Oh yeah and by the way the picture is not falsified. Tigray just stole the land in 1991. Just becaus every single map shows what you don't want it to doesn't make it falsified. It is the map of gondar and welqait was a part of gondar. Deal with it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aanollee

This guy just uses pro oromo websites and all this stuff like oromopride.com this isn't reputable. Many oromo doctors have debunked this myth in my sources. Stop changing and go do something else instead of spreading hate. I've seen your other edits. Just anti amhara stuff. Go do something else or go watch ur tigrai media house stop spreading fake news — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mooproop1: Please read WP:AGF. Wikipedians have patience, but not infinite patience. Understanding and following WP:AGF is one of the fundamental requirements for editing Wikipedia content. Boud (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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