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October 21
NEW NOMINATIONS
Category:LGBT legislators in the United Kingdom
- Propose renaming Category:LGBT legislators in the United Kingdom to Category:?
- Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination. This category was first created in September because there were multiple categories for both Category:LGBT members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom and Category:LGBT members of the Scottish Parliament separately filed as subcategories of Category:LGBT legislators (as well as three members of the Welsh Senedd individually filed there without being subcatted). However, the category has been arbitrarily emptied out of process by anonymous IPs several times in the past three days, initially with no explanation whatsoever and then later with a claim that politicians in the UK are not called legislators. (But then explain Category:Legislators in the United Kingdom, which has existed for over 15 years.)
As always, however, editors arbitrarily emptying categories themselves is not acceptable Wikipedia practice — people may nominate categories they don't like for a deletion or renaming discussion, but may not simply empty them out themselves without following the established process. Accordingly, I'm listing this here for discussion about a potential new name for it, but removing it from articles or categories without consensus is not acceptable — especially since this category was simply removed from the contents rather than being replaced with a different category, meaning that the removal pulled everybody out of the parent trees entirely (which is also not acceptable). Bearcat (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Legislator is a term that includes members of many different law-making bodies. This means that it is a correct description for a UK member of Parliament or of the Senedd, though not as precise. The current form also follows similar categories named "LGBT legislators in...". Sjö (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose keep category as it is since there is consensus for it. 92.7.77.12 (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedian Graphic designer
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedian Graphic designer to Category:Wikipedian graphic designers
- Nominator's rationale: Recently-created duplicate category. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Trains that appeared in Chuggington
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted as G4 by Izno * Pppery * it has begun... 14:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is clearly an example of WP:PERFCAT, and a nearly identical category was previously deleted [1] in July of this year. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:People from the Collectivity of Saint Martin
- Propose renaming Category:People from the Collectivity of Saint Martin to Category:Saint Martinois people
- Nominator's rationale: Saint Martin (island) is divided between the French Collectivity of Saint Martin and the Dutch Sint Maarten. The name of the main people category for the French part is cumbersome and its subcategories use the ambiguous form of Saint Martin foos. These problems can be resolved by using the demonym Saint Martinois. This proposal follows discussion at WP:CFDS and Talk:Saint Martin (island)#Saint Martin category names. TSventon (talk) 12:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. While Saint Martinois may be strictly correct, it would create an inconsistency with the names of three of the sub-categories whose titles begin with Saint Martin. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Collectivity of Saint Martin claims that the denonym is Saint-Martinois. Further the subcats need to be renamed (or reparented) anyway as there is ambiguity (Category:Saint Martin people refers to the whole island, Saint Martin (island), not just the French portion). Oculi (talk) 15:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:University of Notre Dame faculty
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nom. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:University of Notre Dame faculty to Category:University of Notre Dame
- Nominator's rationale: I'd like to merge this into Category:University of Notre Dame as a subcategory thereof. It seems like a natural place to put it. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, it is already a subcategory of Category:University of Notre Dame people and rightfully so. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Marcocapelle. The present grandparent/parent/child relationship is correct and needs to be retained. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Marcocapelle. The category is large and does not need to be merged. TSventon (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Categories:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1923 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1924 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1925 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1927 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1928 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1929 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1930 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1931 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1933 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1935 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1936 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1937 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1939 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1947 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1948 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1949 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1956 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1961 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1962 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1965 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1969 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1972 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1974 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1976 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1977 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1980 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1983 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1984 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1985 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1990 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1991 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1993 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1994 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1995 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1996 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1997 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1998 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2001 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2003 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2005 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2006 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2007 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2008 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2009 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2010 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2011 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2012 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2013 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2014 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2015 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2016 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2017 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2018 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2019 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Propose merging Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 2020 to Category:Acts of the Oireachtas
- Nominator's rationale: None of these categories have any more than 4 pages, and some have just a single page. It's more useful to have them all in the same category, and then sort them by year within that. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comments - most are not as yet tagged. These categories do more than merely subcategorise Category:Acts of the Oireachtas; eg Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1976 has several other parents. Oculi (talk) 11:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Good point, I'll tag each of these pages later today. On the second point, I'd argue that it's still a good idea to move both of Family Home Protection Act 1976 and Wildlife Act 1976 to each of the the parent categories of Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1976. This does then expand the scope of the proposal. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Query What then would become of Category:1976 in Irish law per above example? How would it be populated? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- By Family Home Protection Act 1976 and Wildlife Act 1976. Perhaps the better way of phrasing my proposal is that the proposed categories should be deleted, and each of the articles within placed directly in the current parent categories. It strikes me as overnesting of categories to have a category of Category:1976 in Irish law, with a single sub-category of Category:Acts of the Oireachtas 1976, which itself has a mere two pages. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 10:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Then perhaps a wider proposal is needed. What is in modern Irish Law (by year) that is not also in Acts of the Oireachtas (by year)? They cannot be many Common Law decisions of note in modern times. Could these be merged as first step? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as nom. It might be appropriate to merge into decennial categories, where there are not 5 articles per year. If a merger proceeds, Category:1976 in Irish law etc should be additional targets, as is necessary for a proper upmerge. However, I suspect that the Irish Parliament will have passed more than 5 Acts each year, though not necessarily that many requiring a WP article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- There are of course usually many more than 5 acts passed each year (on average about 40), but very few get Wikipedia articles; of the 64 passed since the beginning of 2020, only two have got articles, being the first two passed in response to Covid in early 2020. If there ever is a serious project to create articles for many more Irish statutes, it could be broken into decade, or even into year, but given where we are at the moment, a single category makes most sense. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 08:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Wouldn't it be appropiate to merge them into 4 or 5 years per legislative periods? --Just N. (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose wholesale merger per nom. Merge into legislative periods per Justus. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- There seems to be a consensus towards merging into legislative periods. In that case, I'd suggest grouping by decade is the best and clearest solution. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural comment, if merging into legislative periods (and dual merge to years in Irish law, per discussion with User:Laurel Lodged above) is the preferred option, implementation needs to take place manually - hopefully someone will volunteer for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into decades I'll assist in the manual work. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Go competitions by region
- Propose renaming Category:European Go competitions to Category:Go competitions in Europe
- Propose renaming Category:North American Go competitions to Category:Go competitions in North America
- Nominator's rationale: consistency of naming with other Go competitions categories by region and by country Coastside (talk) 04:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Also, I should have noted that this request meets criterion C2E: Author request. Coastside (talk) 16:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Consistency is enough here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philoserf (talk • contribs) 14:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedian members of the Society for Neuroscience Wikipedia Initiative
- Nominator's rationale: This seems to be a defunct project category, as the link on the category page describes one event that happened in 2009. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This nomination is an example of WP:MALVOLIO. I could understand it if the category were empty, but it isn't. Clearly there are editors, including active ones, who continue to choose to put themselves in the category. I could understand it if the initiative had nothing to do with improving Wikipedia, but it does. There was an event that occurred at the Society for Neuroscience meeting in 2009; I was one of the editors who spoke at it. But because it was a single event does not mean that the effort is defunct. I continue to see new editors registering new accounts and putting themselves into the category. It's a good thing for Wikipedia content to have new editors with subject expertise. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- To flesh that out, aside from me, here are three editors who are currently active who continue to identify with that category: [2], [3], [4]. Those are just three that I recognize offhand; there may be others. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Boonie Bears fans Wikipedians
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only a userbox, questionable collaborative value. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who like Ghost in the Shell
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only a user who has been inactive since 2016, questionable collaborative value. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who like Valvrave the Liberator
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only a userbox. This was nominated separately from the below nomination since it wasn't previously discussed back in 2020. The same logic applies, though. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who like Cocotama
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who like Cocotama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who like Kira Kira Happy Hirake! Cocotama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who like Kamisama Minarai: Himitsu no Cocotama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who like Akazukin ChaCha (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale These categories were previously kept at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 8#Category:Wikipedians who like Cocotama because SpinnerLaserzthe2nd joined themn. They have now left the categories, putting them in an identical situation to the ones that were deleted at that CfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete for now immediately as these anime are pretry obscure and not a lot of people know about these shows. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)