Talk:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services

Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

Change "President of Turkey" and "Prime Minister of Turkey" to "president of Turkey" and "prime minister of Turkey" respectively, in accordance with similar wiki pages of incument presidents. Mhapperger (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: per MOS:JOBTITLES. And it's unclear which specific part of the article you want to be changed. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 18:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Cancer claim

Early life

"In 2011, Erdogan was diagnosed with colon cancer, for which he underwent treatment and surgery.[54]"

Nordic Monitor said that Recep Tayyip Erdogan underwent surgery to remove a cancerous tumor from the anus and suffers from epilepsy which is among other possible health complications, which may explain his irregular behavior that sometimes baffles many external observers.

https://hawarnews.com/en/haber/swedish-site-erdogan-underwent-surgery-to-treat-cancer-and-suffers-from-epilepsy-h16717.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:7061:6C30:DD84:F143:3688:82CE (talk) 04:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The claim that Erdogan had cancer in 2011 or has it now is found only in Nordic Monitor (Media bias fact check), all other news sources that refer to this claim (search for "colon cancer") link back to Nordic Monitor. Furthermore how they obtained this information is vague "...a Nordic Monitor investigation has found". I am not saying he did not have colon cancer, he may well have had it, he did have surgery in November of that year. But the article does not show any concrete evidence of this so it should be removed. Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 13:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I have removed it Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

There was also another incident where he refused to come out of a car with his attache worried and waiting as a result of having an epileptic seizure. Erdogan is also very sensitive about disclosing that he has epilepsi.

stop edit warring

@SoaringLL:, stop you are EDIT WARRING. You are removing sourced content and calling me out for doing the same, when in reality you're the only one doing it. What is the meaning and purpose of this? ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~^Contact 17:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

You are deleting a long-standing and well-sourced information on Erdogan's relationship with antisemitic novelist Necip Fazıl Kısakürek and replacing it for a stupid tweet (which is not a reliable source) by some agent of Turkish state-propaganda.--SoaringLL (talk) 01:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון

@SoaringLL: hello,

1- I have never deleted anything related to Necip Fazıl Kısakürek in my edits, you can go back and check every single of them, the part about Necip Fazıl Kısakürek is still there.

2- All I did was add a tweet from the Chief Rabbinate of Jews (which is a reliable source, and not "government propaganda" as you claim. your claim falls under the category of conspiracy theories and is irrelevant for wikipedia.).

For the sake of not edit warring, I will not be interfearing further until a consensus is reached.

@Jeppiz: I request you to please check the individual edits and this talk page to help us reach a consensus from a third party view. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~^Contact 13:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Adigabrek:, @SoaringLL: First, I recognise you are both acting in good faith even though you disagree. Second, you have both been edit warring and that needs to stop. Third, Adigabrek is correct that they didn't delete content and shouldn't be accused of that. Fourth, whether the tweet by the rabbinate is WP:DUE or not is a borderline call. My own feeling is that the onus would be on those who want to remove it to make a case for why it's not due. In the absence of such an argument, I would lean towards including it. Jeppiz (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I apologize. I was mistaken, since content related to Erdogan's relationship with the novelist wasn't removed. Nevertheless, it's not clear why we should add that particular quote from a Jewish government official (or semi-official under the auspices of the Turkish government) given the fact that Erdogan has made openly antisemitic statements in the past and those are not covered in text, such as accusing The New York Times of being under "Jewish capital" or something (which is laughable since the newspaper is usually biased against Israel, but whatever). It's obvious that the official rabbi of Turkey won't endanger his own community by criticizing Erdogan publically for his antisemitism, which would be suicidal (losing his job, prison or worse). Also per WP:ONUS: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content."--SoaringLL (talk) 05:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון

@SoaringLL:, Hello. It is a fact that the Rabbi posted it, and why he posted it is not our concern, as we do not express our personal opinions/theories/beliefs in Wikipedia, rather we put things the way they are materially. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~^Contact 20:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't work like that. We don't include everything that everyone says, unless is pertinent and consistent with WP:due weight per NPOV. A tweet by some rabbi in Turkey is not more important than openly antisemitic remarks by Erdogan, which are not covered in article. In any case, at the beginning of section on Jews there is already a sentence stating "While Erdoğan has declared several times being against antisemitism..." so we already have a whitewashing line to balance accusations of antisemitism, there is no need to include also that boot-licking tweet by that rabbi who, I repeat myself, is merely protecting his community from an autocratic regime. It would be dangerous for him to denounce Erdogan in public, as well as foolish. The same thing happens with the representatives of the small Jewish community that's left in Iran. Everywhere else in the world, people recognize Erdogan for the antisemitic clown that he is, from Joe Biden to Netanyahu to a leftist Israeli politician from Meretz. If we put in the article some Turkish rabbi's tweet, for sure we should include also a statement on the matter by the President of the United States, don't you think? And then, if we include every statement that was made supporting or refuting the characterization of Erdogan as antisemitic, the entire section would become an encyclopedia on its own.--SoaringLL (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/יניב_הורון

"Insulting"

"Turkish prosecutors have launched investigations into a total of 128,872 citizens between 2014 and 2019 on charges of "insulting" President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan" - https://www.duvarenglish.com/nearly-129000-people-probed-for-insulting-erdogan-in-5-years-news-56834. Imo, it is also insulting to the truth that this has a mere two mentions in the article, with both examples from some time ago, and with no indication given that they are part of a much larger and still ongoing process of intimidation. The mention from 2016 says 6000 cases to date, so this is seriously out of date content that urgently needs updating. 78.149.46.96 (talk) 01:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)