Talk:Olympic Games

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Adding oxfore stuff

Adding about expulsions and gentrification. Many people are expelled from some sectors of the city in olympic games. Which contributes to even higher prices for houses and such.

Also mega-event in the text of the articles should be turned into a link. To Megaproject (There is no mega-event). And many of the olympic games feature massively built things.

Also...Olympic Games might be a recurrent 4-years boondoggle. (A useless project, or of few benefits). With an opportunity loss in other domains.

Requested move 25 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn per reasons stated below. Interstellarity (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Olympic Games → Olympics – When deciding on an article title, we strive to use commonly, recognizable names. I believe the proposed title fits WP:COMMONNAME. This Ngram shows that Olympics is more widespread in usage than the current title. Let's go through the things that make the proposed title a better target: Recognizability: Olympics is more recognizable than Olympics Games and used more in reliable sources. Naturalness: It is more likely that a reader will search for Olympics than Olympic Games and is more likely to be linked with other articles. Precision: The article is about the modern Olympics since that is what most people are looking for, but hatnotes are in place to link readers to other articles. Other than that, the proposed title identifies the subject. Conciseness: It is shorter than need be. Consistency: Articles about certain Olympics such as the 2020 Summer Olympics use this name. I hope this will be a good move for Wikipedia since I believe this is what readers are looking for. Interstellarity (talk) 20:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current primary redirect works fine, "Olympic Games" is in no way incorrect. Much like Oscars is more common than Academy Awards, but the latter is the article title. 162 etc. (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Similar to the above claims. Nimrodbr (talk) 08:06, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME which says that Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used - I see no compelling policy or logical reason to keep the current less common name. -- DeFacto (talk). 08:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. lomrjyo^{(talk•contrib)} 12:15, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The official name of this multi-national event is "Games of the ?? Olympiad" which translates to "Olympic Games" where Olympic is the modifier and Games is the important base noun. "Olympics" may be commonly used but semantically it doesn't really mean anything on its own. If you Google "Olympics" you get (1) Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and (2) Official website of the Olympic Games. Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

  Rodney Baggins, have you read WP:OFFICIALNAMES? -- DeFacto (talk). 15:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

  DeFacto, yes I have read WP:OFFICIALNAMES but I happen to think it's irrelevant in this case because the full name Olympic Games is far less ambiguous than the single word Olympics and in this instance it's safer to stick with the official name. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
  → Another example of this would be Great Britain. An Ngram may well show that it's most commonly referred to as "Britain" but that would hardly be a valid reason to stop using the official name as the article's title. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Games" is key in identifying sport events. For instance, a Pan American Shooting Championship is very different from the Pan American Games. Same thing goes for World Cups or World Championships vs Olympic GAMES. The existing redirect from "Olympics" to "Olympic Games" addresses what you point out perfectly. P.S. Pan American athlete here. TanookiKoopa (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support. In addition to the above Support arguments. There really isn't anything else known simply as "Olympics". While "Olympic" (not plural) can relate to the games, the IOC, Greek mythology, etc, but speaking to a common American, Briton, Australian, or any other English speaker would think of the Olympic Games when simply saying either "Olympics" or "the Olympics". Major corporations involved with the games also simply refer to the Olympic Games as the "Olympics", including but not limited to CNET, CBS, Rolling Stone, Chinese State Media via CGTN, and BBC.

• I think there's a difference between Tokyo Olympics and Olympics. The city name qualifier makes games unnecessary (however, the Guardian are referring to 'Tokyo Olympic Games', Also, note that on BBC, the tab refers to 'Olympic Games'. When it comes to generic references, the two terms seem to be used interchangeably, although Olympics seems to be slightly more common in my research. Local Variable (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME is of little moment here, as Olympics and Olympic Games are used about as often as each other. I'm a little sceptical of the ngrams use here - if you look at reliable sources, they will mention Olympics about as often as Olympic Games - the reason for the disparity may be that, for example, where 'Olympic Games' is mentioned, 'Tokyo Olympics' will also be mentioned, and so on for earlier events. I am applying more of a subjective criterion than a Google search count. If a move is to be justified on this basis, I think we need to see some more evidence or justification that it is the more common name, ideally more than a hit count. A quick look at the reference list of this article is telling. This issue aside, there are other reasons why a move is not ideal, applying WP:CRITERIA. For 'consistency', it enjoys harmony with Paralympic Games. Another pressing issue for consistency is that we may need to look at Summer Olympic Games and Winter Olympic Games. We already specify that the games are occasionally referred to as Olympics in the lead, per WP:OTHERNAMES. I also like the consistency with Ancient Olympic Games. It also just in general seems to be a more precise description of the subject. In summary, even if the common name is Olympics, which is contestable, 'the most common has problems'. I see no compelling reason for the move and several problems. A reasonable request for comment, however. Local Variable (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

  Further, have a look at the title and content of Category:Olympic Games. Consistency really is an issue here. Local Variable (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Weak oppose the proposed title is common but Britannica uses the current title and this one seems slightly more formal. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Both are good common names. But the existing name is less ambiguous and similarly common. As a remark, we have a myriad of WP:WELLINTENTIONEDRULES. However, they need to be applied thoughtfully. In this instance, WP:OFFICIALNAMES is invoked by some above as discouraging "Olympic Games" (as "official") versus the proposed name. However, a closer read of that page makes it clear the rationale at WP:OFFICIALNAMES is not really applicable here, so I feel comfortable giving it fairly minimal weight in this instance. Martinp (talk) 02:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per TanookiKoopa. They're both common names, so we might as well go with the more descriptive and formal option. As a side note, I wish that proposals like this weren't always held right when a page is most in the spotlight. Even supports here should agree that there's nothing urgent about the move, so we could've held it sometime when the games weren't actively taken place and a lot fewer readers would've had to encounter the ugly requested move banner. (I also still want us to redesign the banner, but that's another matter.) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Agree with Sdkb completely. This discussion is untimely.TanookiKoopa (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• That's a good point. Overwhelming opposition. Propose a snowclose. Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk, FAQ, contribs} 04:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Withdrawn - Because the 2020 Olympics are ongoing, I withdraw my move request. I might propose it again when the Olympics are not in session. We can usually get better opinions on article titles when the events are not happening. I request that an editor close this discussion at their earliest convenience. Interstellarity (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

Surfing in the Olympics

The one mention of surfing on this page may need to be updated.

"There are recognised sports that have never been on an Olympic programme in any capacity, including chess and surfing"

Surfing is an Olympic sport in the current Summer Olympics (2020/2021) which makes this statement inaccurate. There's a citation for that entry and I'm not of sure the proper way to update the innacuracy. Mikeprado (talk) 01:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mikeprado:  Done. Seems a fairly uncontroversial change to me. I have changed 'including' to 'for example' as it seems to read better with one example. Local Variable (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Olympedia note about medals

[[1]] "Olympedia has previously listed every athlete who competed and placed among the top three in a medal event with a medal. While this (more or less) reflects current medal awarding practice, this approach is not historically correct. For one, for many years only athletes competing in the final would receive a medal. Unfortunately, it is not always easy to find which rules applied when, and, if the rules were actually practised (there are several occasions known where the rules were not followed). Olympedia is currently in the process of updating these medals to be more historically accurate.

We have currently updated the following events: all swimmers competing only in the heats of relay events between 1920 and 1980 did not receive any medals"

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2021

Edit last sentence of paragraph 4 of section 11.3 ("Host nations and cities") to read the following:

"The 2020 Summer Olympics was held in Tokyo in 2021 due to postponement from the COVID-19 pandemic. Tokyo became the first Asian city to host the Olympics for the second time." 165.166.11.26 (talk) 17:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)