Talk:List of Impact Wrestling personnel

TNA "Superstar".

Apparently, at least one of us thinks TNA uses "Superstar" as a proper noun, like WWE. Any evidence for this?

Here, it's used lowercase, along with "stars".

Lowercase here, here and here.

It's just a word, like wrestler, talent, performer, competitor, etc. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, compares this "Wrestler Roster" to WWE's "Superstars". InedibleHulk (talk) 10:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2016

Please remove "Janice Carter" & "Owner; President / Chief Executive Officer of Panda Energy International (parent company of TNA)". Please change Dixie Carter's status from "President" to "Owner & President". Reason: TNA UPDATE: MAJOR CHANGES COULD COME SHORTLY 76.235.248.47 (talk) 03:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done that article clearly states "MAJOR CHANGES COULD COME SHORTLY" not have actually occurred - Arjayay (talk) 08:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, the article does mention that Dixie bought out both Panda Energy & Jeff Jarrett's stakes in TNA, placing her as the sole shareholder (a.k.a. Owner) of the company. That information is in no way in dispute at all. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Chris Melendez

Is Chris Melendez still part of TNA or not? I haven't heard any news of Chris Melendez being released so I would assume that he is still part on TNA. Yet there is edit war going on as Melendez keeps getting added and removed from the TNA Wrestling personnel page here on Wikipedia. Also, it imposable to currently check http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster because TNA's roster page is saying that it is forbidden 2.222.35.142 (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Jeff Jarrett

Per sources, all Jarrett has been announced as is working in a backstage capacity. It doesn't matter if he wrestled the last time in TNA during the GFW angle, he has not been announced as wrestling in any capacity at this point in time. Until he has an actual TNA sanctioned match annouced, he should remain in backstage personnel section. Hellboy42 (talk)

Alexxis Neveah

Just to provide clarity regarding Alexxis Neveah...she appeared during the January 11 tapings, and she appeared again for the following night's tapings.

It is quite apparent that they are building up the feud between the Wolves as Mr & Mrs Edwards vs Mr & Mrs Richards. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Alberto El Patron

How is this a photo off of Facebook, reliable, But this is not? I'm calling shenanigans.Hellboy42 (talk) 03:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

You were edit warring so anything you post especially after you were warned for violating 3rr is pretty much unreliable, which is your fault. I told you to stop several times and you continued edit warring, which ended up getting you warned and reported. Also your linking to some guys personal twitter page, not TNAs Twitter or Alberto's or anyone associated with either of them but some random dudes twitter. The Facebook one actually links a picture, the Twitter just links some guys twitter. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 04:15, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Impact Wrestling

Should this page not be moved to "List of Impact Wrestling personnel" instead? 194.28.124.55 (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling personnel → List of Impact Wrestling personnel – Companies name has been changed to 'Impact Wrestling', as per the companies article here on Wikipedia, as shown in the lead paragrapgh. 194.28.124.55 (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Support - as nom. Darkson (I survived the 525!) 19:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Oppose until the change becomes more prominent. It's still in its beginning stages. There's no indication that their business venture/trademarking has changed. Plus, title belts still say TNA. DantODB (talk) 22:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Reply: see http://wrestlingnews.co/tna-news/its-official-the-tna-name-is-dead-former-wwe-star-makes-his-impact-wrestling-debut/ The company has been renamed. 194.28.124.55 (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom. oknazevad (talk) 03:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Jeff Jarrett no longer Chief Creative Officer

Per Sports Illustrated: "Jeff Jarrett is out as Global Force Wrestling’s Chief Creative Officer". As stated here. Tabercil (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

The Harris Brothers

Hi. Do you know something about the Harris Brothers status? They were producers during the Dixie Carter era because TNA had a deal with Aroluxe. Right now, I don't now. Aroluxe failed in the race for TNA and they are creating a lucha underground-like promotion. Do you think they still working at Impact? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Rebel

Alright, since she's been added and removed several times, what is the official stance on Rebel being an Impact talent? She's making regular appearances again on TV even if it's just as a jobber, but then by the same token, Ishimori is listed as an Impact talent even though he spends most of his time back in Japan now. What's the diff? 210.48.190.88 (talk) 03:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

What Constitutes a Guest?

Alright, because some people keep removing talents when they disappear for five seconds citing "they're a guest," or removing LU talents which get added for the same reason, what's the reasoning here? In theory, shouldn't that mean Ishimori gets removed? If Ishimori counts as an Impact talent, shouldn't Steiner and Dreamer stay, and shouldn't Drago, Fenix and Aerostar be put back on the roster since they've all worked for Impact more recently than Ishimori recently? And what of Vikas Kumar and Bhupinder Singh who haven't even debuted with the company yet in spite of being announced as part of the Desi Hit Squad back in January?

210.48.190.88 (talk) 02:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

several problems

Hi, guys. I don't watch Impact since 2014. However, this days I saw a lot of edit wars about Impact roster. I know Impact has changed, several wrestlers aren't under iron-contract, some of them are doing some dates... do you have this under control? Remember, sourcing it's important and if there is some problem, discuss it here. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm gonna remove Steiner, Dreamer and Rebel. I know they are the problematic ones, but 1, Impact official website list them as alumni. 2, there is no source about them hired by Impact, even as backstage producers. If somebody wants to put them back, include sources about them being hired by Impact. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

So, you don't watch Impact, haven't watched Impact in ages, yet somehow feel it's your place to dictate to those of us who do who works for Impact based on your feelings even though Dreamer, Steiner and Rebel have worked for Impact recently with Rebel having worked the last three sets of tapings. And yet because they don't have active profiles it's not good enough for you and only you, the guy who says he never watches Impact. Brilliant logic there, chief. Damolisher (talk) 10:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, be WP:CIVIL since you're agressive in your last comments.I explained several times, Wikipedia works with sources. If Steiner and Dreamer are moved to the alumni section, they're out (except another reliable source claims they still with the company). I don't need to watch the TV show, just to read the sources. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, don't quote bureaucracy at me, and secondly, yeah, again, you're trying to dictate to people who watch Impact what they are and aren't watching. That isn't helpful in the slightest, that's just arrogance for the sake of arrogance. Your argument is literally "my opinion means more than everyone else's.

And furthermore, Dreamer and Steiner were in the alumni section while Steiner was one of the tag team champions and so was Dreamer while in the middle of a feud with Eddie Edwards. Rebel has a recent photo gallery and tweeted several times she's with the company. You're literally trying to claim only one source is valid. Damolisher (talk) 17:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

If you don't want to read bureaucracy, leave Wikipedia right now, since that's how wikipedia works. I explained the rules and guidelines of the website. I'm not dictating what are you watching, I'm saying who of these people aren't under contract with the promotion, a system Impact and ROH uses a lot (reading the tapings, I see al least 5 names). No sources, they're out. A theme song and a photo gallery means nothing. End of discussion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

No, not end of discussion. They're current talent and it's called to roster, not a contracted wrestlers list. If they make regular appearances for the company then they're part of the company. Even if you want to argue that Dreamer and Steiner haven't been seen since Slammiversary or before, Rebel is still currently apppearing. Photo galleries and videos DO mean something because they indicate that talent is working with the company unless otherwise noted. You are not the authority on wrestling articles and yet again, you don't even watch Impact so if anyone's opinion is moot, it certainly isn't mine. You don't get to dictate how articles work.Damolisher (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:OR, WP:SYNTH. Sources don't say they are hired, just SYNTH and OR "they have a video, so that means..." No, it should be pretty clear. BTW, Rebel didn't work in the August TV tapings. And one more time, an user doesn't have to see the TV show to work in an article, just have to use sources. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Now if you could try using your own words instead of quoting technical jargon, that would be wonderful. My point stands, Rebel has worked with the company, has a new gallery and has her theme up on the Impact YouTube channel. You're splitting hairs and being obstinate for the sake of being a bureaucrat. Impact say Zach Wentz debuted, his theme is new, he did an interview before his match, so again, you're being obstinate. You have no proof which tells me I'm wrong, ergo, you're making edits which aren't constructive and go against Wikipedia's policy yourself. Damolisher (talk) 12:25, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

You're adding unsourced material, doing WP:SYNTH. Find a proper reliable source which says Rebel and Zachary signed cotnrcts with Impact, don't assume, that's how wikipedia works. That's why admins hate pro wrestling in wikipedia, full of synth, fans who include everything without knowing Wikipedia rules or guidelines. I'm not going to discuss since you don't know how Wikipedia works and looks like you don't read the guidelines I provided --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Taya Valkyrie

I get she has been inactive. It says that it is because of visa issues. If it is visa issues, than why is she being booked by independent promotions in the United States? Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 15:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

LU Trios champion

Hi. I have a question. As far as I know, Callihan never appeared in Impact as the LU Trios Champion. Do you think the note should be in the roster? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Gun-Jumping Reversions

Now, it's wonderful that HHH Pedrigree wants to be diligent and undo edits to the roster as soon as they happen, but wouldn't it make more sense under Good Faith to wait until something has been proven utterly false before undoing an edit? For example, The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added to the roster until they appear in more than just a dark match, but Crazzy Steve has more evidence suggesting he's returned than he doesn't. I've included sources which somehow aren't good enough even though they back my point of view up. It's the same thing with Trevor Lee having not departed formally until January and it's the same thing with the Rascalz debuting. Somehow 3 weeks of usage and Trey Miguel being booked for the PPV doesn't mean they're under contract.

I'd wager money they'll air a vignette for Steve on Impact this week. My point is this: Can people lay off reversions until after Impact has aired? Because it literally seems like arrogance and hairsplitting for the sake of it when 9 times out of 10 the edits are correct to be there in the first place. Damolisher (talk) 09:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

First, I only want wikipedia articles follow the rules and policies of the websites. It's amazing how, the first reaction I have is "fuck the rules, let me do what I want" or "don't be a bureaucrat". Wikipedia has rules and we have to follow and one of the reasons the pro wrestling has a bad reputation is articles that don't follow guidelines. About the roster, is for wrestlers who are under contract and perform regularly. Right now, there is no sources of Bram, Crimson, Jax returning, just worked one day. For example, last week Raven apepared. Can I include him? Or why not James Logan? Again, not evidences or assumptions, sources. But, if you want to keep Crazy Steve, fine.

About the Trevor Lee, it wasn't my fault. A reliable source announced he left Impact. A few hours later, Lee said he was under contract. Let it go. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

So did you actually bother reading what I wrote? Because what I said was literally "The War Kings and Bram are obviously ambiguous and shouldn't be added until they appear in more than just a dark match." James Logan is obviously a jobber they bought in for the tapings which is why he hasn't been added. Petey Williams himself confirmed Raven was only there for the lead-up to Homecoming. If he shows up again actually managing someone, on the roster he goes. Crazzy Steve is a former talent appearing on an episode of Impact who won a match and has posted things which indicate he is back with the company. It isn't "fuck the rules, let me do what I want," it's "stop reverting things because you personally don't agree with them." You've been proven wrong multiple times before, yet you still do it to an article of a company you don't follow and don't watch. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. And the Lee example is literally you making an edit based on an assumption. It's exactly what you're complaining about, bud. Damolisher (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Did you read yourself? "James Logan is obviously a jobber they bought in for the tapings which is why he hasn't been added" WP:OR, WP:SYNTH WP:CRYSTALBALL. It's not i'm not agreeing with your edits, it about your edits being unsourced and full of OR and assumptions. The Lee edit it's the opposite, a reliable source informed Lee left the promotion at the moment. Then, he denied it, informing he was with the promotion. It's the opposite of an assumption, I follow what a source said. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

So I agree with the Steve edit as he didn't work in Mexico, but once again, STEINER HAS WORKED WITH THE PROMOTION MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. HE IS IN A RECURRING ROLE. Also, stop quoting jargon at me. Ask anyone who edits these articles and they don't have the foggiest as to what the hell "WP BLEH BLEH" is. Explain it in layman's terms or don't bother. Damolisher (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I am just gonna touch on a few here:

• Steiner has not wrestled a match for Impact since April 2018. He appeared at that one taping and that was it. He has made a cameo or two since, but those are just for legend/nostalgia pops and he hasn't wrestled.
• Austin Aries is on their roster page, however Impact producer Peter Williams said here his contract ended at Bound For Glory 2018. He is among their biggest names, so don't you think Impact would be using him if he's under contract? His not injured because he has been wrestling for other promotions.
• Dreamer should be left out of the wrestling section, probably will still compete but his backstage role will supersede his ring work I would assume. But if he continues to be invovled in programs we shoild leave him with the wrestlers
• If someone cameos at a taping just because they are a local on a pay per appearance deal, do not add them unless we have a source saying the signed a deal with the company. There's a reason why Puma King, Disco Inferno, Raven etc. are not on here. STATic message me! 11:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Rules and policies

I have to explain this one more time. Like it or not, Wikipedia is based around rules and policies and we have to follow. It's not about beign a bureaucrat, it's about follow the rules to have good articles. Then, roster articles are for people who are under contract and work regiarly with the promotion. It's not about who worked with them last week, it's about who are part of the promotion, no a one day appearance. Wikipedia is not about "he appeared, that means he is back" (that's WP:SYNTH) or "I bet money he will be again" (WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:OR)... we need sources about the wrestler signed a contract or they work regularly, no just a one-day thing, like for example, Kikutaro, Crazy Steve or War Kings. It's the same for Melissa Santos. She was the ring announcer during the Mexico Tapings, but that doesn't mean she will be the ring announcer the rest of the year. Rign now, without sources, she only worked one day. About Steiner, he only makes guest appearances. He is not part of the roster, we can't include him just because he makes one appearance every 6 months. It's not like Taker or Lesnar (wrestlers under contract who make guest appearances). He is not under contract and don't work regularly with Impact, he is called when Impact wants. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Or, here's an idea: You don't dictate to those of us who watch Impact what to do. You've repeatedly stated you don't watch, you repeatedly act like we answer to you when making edits and you repeatedly get in edit wars with other users, your latest instance being the status of Gursinder Singh! You first tell Chaosithe that Austin Aries being on the Impact profile page doesn't matter and then use the same alumni section as if it's gospel! Give it a rest!

Damolisher (talk) 06:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Here is another aidea. Read the policies I gave to you and understand my editions. And stop this harassment you made to me every time I make an edit. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Tommy Dreamer

So what's the difference between say, Tommy being a producer and Petey being a producer? Because Tommy wrestles more than "occasionally," he wrestled again during the Vegas tapings, twice in fact. He wrestles more than some of the roster, if we're honest. So why is he classified as backstage personnel rather than a wrestler as opposed to a wrestler with "producer" in his notes like Petey and like Abyss used to? 121.74.130.168 (talk) 08:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Ace Austin and Sawyer Fulton

Yet again, wrestlers have debuted with the company and yet again, somehow actual spoilers from the tapings aren't a credible source? How does that work? It's getting more than a little tiring going through this pointless rigmarole every single time someone debuts. Where is the contradicting evidence? The spoilers literally state that Sawyer Fulton joined OVE, even if you will say Austin winning both matches that weekend are circumstantial.

Damolisher (talk) 08:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, why do I keep having to justify any edit I make to the same 2 people all the time? 2 people who've been proven wrong multiple times, might I add?

Damolisher (talk) 08:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

This content needs to be removed immediately for violating WP: SYNTH. This user is passing off information that the source he is using does not say. Impact constantly uses local talent for a single taping, it does not mean they are a part of the company now. WrestlingInc is one of the most unreliable sources out there. I am sure they are giving accurate spoilers, but nothing they say is reliable to us. The source you cited does not even say they are signed to the company at all. It says nothing of the sort. That is WP: OR and WP: SYNTH. StaticVapor message me! 08:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

That's nice. If you'd like to explain that to me not using technical jargon, that would be lovely. What would be lovelier is actually reading the source and using common sense. It's hardly "original research" when the people sending in the spoilers are actually at the show. Why would Sawyer Fulton show up and align himself with OVE for one show only when he's not a big enough name for a oncer and isn't an Impact legend? Why would Ace Austin show up both days and win his matches rather than be used to put over currently established talent? Because it seems to be like every time things like this come up, rather than going "that makes sense actually, my bad," yourself and HHHPedrigree would rather go "Oh, well here's some Wikiproject thing which says that even though we can't prove you wrong and what you say makes sense, jargon."

C'mon, dude. There's listening to jargon and there's using commonsense. Damolisher (talk) 08:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Click the links I am providing and you could learn something about Wikipedia policies. Original research is you pretending that the sources say they are signed when they do not. StaticVapor message me! 08:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

That comment literally addresses nothing I just said. Not only are you making unhelpful edits, you're literally choosing to ignore reasonable and truthful counterpoints. Damolisher (talk) 08:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not go off what we as editors think happened (WP: OR), it goes off what reliable sources report as facts. (WP:V). StaticVapor message me! 08:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

"Yes, you're right. I won't admit it, but you're right. I have nothing, so I'll revert to jargon and bureaucracy." Damolisher (talk) 08:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Ace Austin

Hey, look kids! A promo for Ace Austin aired tonight AND his Twitter bio says he's an Impact Wrestling star! I'll be editing him back in and I expect no further harassment. Damolisher (talk) 06:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

If you do not learn to become civil with other editors you will not improve your Wikipedia experience. StaticVapor message me! 19:16, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

People wasting my time by removing edits which myself or others then have to edit back in later doesn't improve my experience either. It costs nothing to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry." Damolisher (talk) 19:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Delilah Doom

While Impact are calling tonight's episode of Impact Delilah's debut, is it fair to assume that was a "debut" in the vein of Zach Wentz, Trey Miguel and Ace Austin where she's simply enhancement talent until a future date, or is she actually with the company? Can anyone clarify this?Damolisher (talk) 08:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

A Reliable source saying that she has signed a contract or will work with the company henceforth. If not, assumption is WP:OR --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

That isn't what I'm asking. I'm asking if anyone can provide one. Thus "can anyone clarify this." Damolisher (talk) 20:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I made a research and I found nothing. Only she worked during the tapings, not that she signed with Impact. Also, SoCalUncensored (which I don't know if it's reliable) said she didn't signed with Impact --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you for confirming. Damolisher (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

So these Disco Inferno rumours...

He's working the Vegas tapings but I've also heard the odd rumour here or there he's sticking around as a producer. Does anyone have any proof from anyone credible that he's not just there as a tapings only feud for Scarlett? Damolisher (talk) 21:16, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I made a research, but I found nothing noting him as a producer. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the source Static Vapor posted for Ace Austin states Don Callis has been on a hiring spree but also states Disco "was hired for Vegas." Reddit says someone he was a full-timer but I'll wait for something more concrete before he goes in. Damolisher (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Gursinder Singh's status with the company.

Simply because I am getting beyond annoyed with having to undo people removing Gursinder because for whatever reason Impact moved him to their alumni section, here it is in black and white: Gursinder is still with the company. Gursinder's "firing" was a storyline firing which they haven't explained because I don't think they know exactly what they're doing with the Desi Hit Squad. But Gursinder himself has been promoting himself being at Impact's Canadian tapings in March on Twitter since at least December and is doing a countdown of days as seen here: [1] , here: [2] and here: [3] , in addition to still being used on house shows and teaming up with Raj Singh here: [4]

So please, stop removing Gursinder. He is still with the company until otherwise confirmed by the man himself or the company itself officially. Damolisher (talk) 08:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• I agree with this. I say if March comes and goes with no update from the company or the talent, we should remove him. StaticVapor message me! 19:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• That's fair enough. The next tapings take place on March 22nd and 23rd per the references posted. If there's no sign of him by that point even at house shows, fair enough. Damolisher (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Rob Van Dam's Impact Status.

https://amp.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/03/rob-van-dam-reveals-impact-future-651769/

RVD himself says he's sticking around after United We Stand. Now, normally there'd be no better source than the man himself but these days apparently that isn't a sure thing anymore. May I edit him in or shall I wait until Impact themselves officially announce it. Damolisher (talk) 08:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

For a list of reliable sources see WP:PW/RS, WrestlingInc is unreliable and unusable. Just trying to make that clear, I would honestly not use that site for news ever. However, this seems reliable. If RVD says he is coming back for more than a one-off then let's include him in the roster. StaticVapor message me! 11:48, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

I was going to say the same. WrestlingInc is not reliable, but since it's an interview we can go straight from the horse's mouth (the original interview). Also, RVD saying he will stay in Impact is nice. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Tag Teams and stables

I know some articles used to have sections which listed the tag teams and stables within a promotion. Would we be able to include one in this article or are they not something used in wrestling articles anymore?SkylerLovefist (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

No. We used to do it back in the day, but it led to too much hulla-balloo over who was an "official team", and there was a ton of back and forth edit warring, and it just isn't worth the hassle. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:33, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Using sources for removing people / Havok and Mitchell

I notice we have a lot of editing disagreements lately over people making assumptions regarding departures. Pentagon, Fenix and James Mitchell have been removed when nothing says they had left nor we leaving to start with.

What I'm trying to say is that as is true with adding talent, please attempt to provide a source in at least the editing reason field when removing talent. Otherwise, it is still unsourced and potentially incorrect information. SkylerLovefist (talk) 17:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

The problem is the opposite. The roster articles are for people who are regular performers. Impact uses a lot of outside talent just for dark matches or some appearance. For example, during a TV tapings, Impact used Crazy Steve, Crimson, Jax Dane and people included them just because "looks like they are back", "looks like it's a full time...", which is WP:CRYSTALBALL, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. We're always making exceptions in this article. To include them is necesary a reliable source, no just "they wrestled during the last TV Tapings". About Fenix and Penta, Meltzer said AEW are trying to make them AEW exclusive talent, but right now, they're with Impact too.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Not the point I'm trying to make, I'm afraid. What I'm saying is that lately people are being removed for no reason other than "rumour has it." To me that constitutes a form of vandalism. That said, I feel that rather than removing edits as far as adding talent is concerned it would be prudent to add sources rather than immediately jumping on an edit too if possible. SkylerLovefist (talk) 03:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I think both points are related. At the end, people do whatevery they want with the article without sources and don't follow the policies. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Mitchell is good to include, he has been a member of the roster and was recently disruptivly removed without a source, just someone's speculation. Havok is not. She has no active roster page on their website and we have no confirmation of her signing. Could just be one match title match and that's it. Impact often uses talent for single tapings or short periods. Either we include every instance of the Disco Inferno/Sabu/Havok or we include none of them. I support the latter, because with no roster page or proof of signing to rely on the information could be constantly changing. StaticVapor message me! 10:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

As for removing people, if I see anyone removing people without valid reason and reliable source(s), instead just offering their own speculation. I will be issuing warnings and taking it to ANI, because Wikipedia is not the place for anyone's own speculation on what is going on. StaticVapor message me! 10:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I think we shoudn't. in that case, we're open the door to anyone including every wrestler "just becuase he appeared". Every month we have the same problem, Impact uses external talent, people include them and next month, they're out. The question is not a reliable source about them leaving, is about them satying with the company. I agree we can't have the article changing, so let's go by the basics. A reliable source about them working in a regular basis or signing a contract. We're always making exceptions. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

In a perfect world it would be nice if everybody were under the same contract. But we really must make a common sense assumption that EVERYBODY that appears on Impact is under some sort of contract. Nobody just shows up and works for free. Different people have different contracts, some are short term, and others are long term. I think we spend too much time pulling our hair out over minutiae and fine print and overlook what is staring at us that we can see with our own eyes. It's the old "can't see the forest for the trees" axiom. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not saying they are working without a contract or free. Everybody has signed a cotnract. The point is if they're part of the Impat regular roster or they just make one ocasional match. Several weeks ago, some user included Crimson, Jax Dane and Crazy Steve just becuase they wrestler. Did they signed a contract to work for Impact for one day? Yes. Does it mean they are part of Impact? No, they just worked one date and next week, disapeared. A few days ago, during the TV Tapings, Ashley Vox, Karissa Rivera, Wrecking Ball Legursky, Solo Darling and Tasha Steelz worked for Impact. Are these women part of Impact or are just one night deal? Should we include them just to remove them next month? They are no different from Sabu or Havok. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

That's not remotely correct at all and I feel you're intentionally being obtuse so as to try and win an argument. Sabu was a one-off ECW tribute, those young women were local performers to make an appearance in the same sense as BCW talent in Canadian tapings, Havok is neither a legend nor local talent, appeared with a talent who has been used numerous times in an ongoing storyline and set up a cliffhanger indicating her appearing again in the future. Using the OVW talent example repeatedly is not the same either, as those wrestlers appeared in dark matches, Havok appeared in a televised segment.

There's a difference between OR, SYNTH et al and actually deducing the difference between a tryout/one shot and a talent returning to the roster. SkylerLovefist (talk) 07:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

And after all that, Havok is at the current tapings with James Mitchell cutting a promo about how she is going to destroy Rosemary, indicating she is staying long-term.

In order to remedy this ongoing problem, would it be more prudent to refrain from adding talent which hasn't been announced prior after they've appeared on television, or is this an issue with people being overzealous? SkylerLovefist (talk) 00:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Glenn Gilbertti again

First of all, good work team on sorting out the vandalism.

With Glenn though, Impact HAS used him a lot lately. While I don't agree with unsourced information, I am legitimately curious if there are rules stating that a talent must be signed to a roster in order to be classified as a part of that roster or not. If not, I have a suggestion I'd like to run by the other people who edit this page.

SkylerLovefist (talk) 04:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Sabu

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/wwe/excluive-josh-mathews-reveals-if-two-legends-will-show-up-on-impact-wrestling-again

Is this sufficient enough to add Sabu to the roster, or would it fall under OR or SYNTH at this stage? SkylerLovefist (talk) 23:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

The thing is, the appearance at the recent taping has not yet aired. So he is promoting the upcoming appearance under the impression that everyone has not read the spoilers yet. We need a reliable source that he is signed for multiple tapings in a reoccuring role. StaticVapor message me! 04:10, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, upon re-reading that article, you're absolutely right. I skim read and thought he was asked about the current tapings rather than United We Stand.

SkylerLovefist (talk) 06:39, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

So Sabu is booked for the next TV tapings... SkylerLovefist (talk) 20:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Still is WP:OR... just continuing the feud with The North. Maybe just the one more match, who knows. StaticVapor message me! 23:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring on The Rascalz' names.

Their names are still Dezmond Xavier, Zachary Wentz and Trey Miguel according to official Impact sources so I see some very pushy editing going on. Either way, this constant back and forth isn't helpful at all. And if we must revert them to their nicknames, can changes to the list reflect that Wentz's name is no longer alphabetically last? 05:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkylerLovefist (talk • contribs)

I think we should keep the full names, they use both and the full names are their COMMONNAME. StaticVapor message me! 19:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree. As I stated at one point during this dispute with the user in question, the short names are nicknames.SkylerLovefist (talk) 23:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

This poster for Impact's California tapings.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_xsgP4VUAAS9tD.jpg

This seems to indicate the signings of Scott Steiner and seems to confirm Rhino. Reasonable train of thought, or SYNTH?

SkylerLovefist (talk) 10:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

We would need more confirmation on Steiner, he is used mainly in a legends role, so we would need more. Rhino, I would want a reliable source confirming his future, which we would probably need. StaticVapor message me! 18:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

So where do we go from here then? It seems to me that based on Rhino's official return being leaked by the company themselves as well as him being used on future promotional material, he is indeed a permanent part of the company again. If that isn't enough, perhaps we need to look at how new additions to the roster are added, as I think it's fair to say Impact's roster is quite a contentious subject on this Wiki, wouldn't you? SkylerLovefist (talk) 07:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Only because Impact is different from WWE/ROH/NJPW as the majority of their talent are on per appearance deals. Since they may or may not be signed, we cannot add people based off one or two appearances. Once Rhino gets added to their roster page or keeps appearing at tapings, or a reliable source says something specific, then we can add him. StaticVapor message me! 00:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

On the Steiner note, he and Glenn Gilbertti have made pretty regular appearances over the last while for Impact, even if they have been sporadic. Would it make sense to add a legends section to the list? Or is that too ambiguous, as opposed to WWE's legends program which is more formal? 118.149.139.137 (talk) 05:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

It would be trivial and ambiguous. Steiner does not at all make regular appearances, he appeared at three tapings (including this one) in the last two years. One of those tapings he didn't even wrestle. StaticVapor message me! 16:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

The Impact Roster page as a source

I know it's considered one of those things we should use to indicate whether someone has signed with the company, but honestly, the roster page on Impact's website is unreliable IMO given the inaccuracies on there. For example, Kongo Kong is still there despite being released, Suicide is still there despite no-one portraying the character and Bhupinder Singh being moved to the alumni section in spite of still being employed with the company. Daga has no profile despite being signed, Mahabali Shera is still listed as an alumni despite signing a new contract, Eddie Kingston having two profiles, etc. 27.252.201.190 (talk) 08:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I should also make sure to sign in before I start discussions... SkylerLovefist (talk) 08:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

It a good source, but not the only source. StaticVapor message me! 17:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Laredo Kid

So we have Laredo Kid on the roster page for some reason. The two citations there say nothing of him being signed or being an active roster member. One is a link to his roster page, which says he is alumni. The second is a link to a Twitter post that does not say he is signed, he is coming back for more or he is a roster member. He has not appeared in 2 months and without any furthur indication he is with the company (sources or advertisments for future events), then we cannot leave him on. We cannot just sit here and leave possibly incorrect information on the page. Just like when we had Flamita on there for a few months and he never debuted. StaticVapor message me! 17:46, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

LAX done

LAX is indeed done with Impact Wrestling, and here it is from LAX member Santana, so it's straight from the horse's mouth.

Vjmlhds (talk) 02:35, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Good removal, I updated the LAX page, but got busy and didn't update this one. StaticVapor message me! 03:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Non-existent links on Wentz/Trey names

The Wentz and Trey Miguel names currently have linked to non-existent pages (red links). Someone has added to not remove the links. Anyone know the reason for this?

Please see WP:REDLINK, they are there because they are useful. StaticVapor message me! 03:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Tony Gunn

How official do we need the signing of Tony Gunn from OVW to be before we can add him to the roster? Because there's a video of Scott D'Amore offering him a "tryout" with the implication being that it's a formality and that Gunn has already signed a contract.

SkylerLovefist (talk) 00:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Petey Williams

Because I'm getting annoyed with the one versus all editing going on, I'd like an official word from someone relating to the dubious removal/edit war going on over Petey. Because somehow repeatedly appearing for a company for 3 years now means you *aren't* working for the company you signed for now? SkylerLovefist (talk) 09:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

You need to learn how Wikipedia works. This is the situation: we need a genuine source that he is a full-time member of the company. I'm afraid the only information people are able to provide so far is an old ImpactWrestling.com link and the fact that he showed up at recent tapings. As stated at the top of the chart (not my words) "a reliable source is either ImpactWrestling.com, Wrestling Observer.com, Slam Sports, WrestleView, or PWTorch.com." Therefore, citation needed is perfectly reasonable until concrete evidence that he is a contracted full-time member of the roster. Because so far, he just seems to be a glorified guest. We need a reliable source that he is an actual roster member, anything else is speculation, and speculation is not how Wikipedia works. icaldonta (talk) 12:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Someone doesn't get it and it's not me. You keep removing him and the sources indicating he's working for the company without providing any proof he left to start with. SkylerLovefist (talk) 21:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Issue has been resolved, references/inline citations have been added to his entry on the list. Isaidnoway (talk) 00:24, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I forgot to comment that using an archived copy of a dead/expired url reference is acceptable as a reliable source to verify content. WP:DEADREF recommends that editor's do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working. Check the internet archive and if you can't find it there, then attempt to find a replacement source, and another alternative is to tag it as a dead link, so link rot bots or editor's can properly find and fix it. Isaidnoway (talk) 20:37, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

The Rascalz' Names. Again.

Alright, here we are again with the same user making the same edits with the same.ensuing edit war.

WP:CommonName dictates Trey's surname is Miguel. He's been referred to as Trey Miguel on commentary as such, his mother's name was given as "Ms Miguel" during his feud with Ace Austin, his name is for all intents and purposes Trey Miguel. This constant edit war every 6-12 months is getting annoying. 111.69.70.125 (talk) 23:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Bhupinder Singh

Because I'm at the end of my rope with constant edit wars over Bhupinder Singh, until there's proof he's left Impact, or at least is no longer under a developmental contract, I'd like any edits on him by FranXBC or whatever his name is undone and editor intervention taken. At this point the edits no longer constitute unnsourced edits, they constitute vandalism, given they've been at this since at least December last year. SkylerLovefist (talk) 01:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

User as described above now vandalising article logged out using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2.153.191.121. Same deal goes. User been at this since December 2019, seems to not understand what a development contract is, is easily detectable by removing Bhupinder Singh and Shogun Jackson Stone and the broken English he uses in his edit notes. 2407:7000:9C7F:9464:95EA:743F:8B6F:667E (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

AEW-Impact

Please don't add AEW wrestlers to the roster if they happen to pop up on Impact.

Impact and AEW have an off-screen business partnership and are doing an on-screen "Invasion" style storyline where wrestlers are going on each other's shows and causing trouble.

So knowing all this, don't rush to the keyboard/iPhone to add names to the list if a guest pays a visit.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

An amendment - if a visitor wins a title, then they get an automatic free pass. This was the case for NJPW's FinJuice after they won the Tag Team Titles, and should Kenny Omega win the Impact World Title tonight at Rebellion. Obviously once they lose their titles, they get removed...works both ways. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

That's not how that works. Kenny Omega is not contracted by Impact. He is there through an agreement between AEW and Impact. Yes, he holds the Impact World Championship, but again, he is not contracted by Impact Wrestling. --JDC808 ♫ 12:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Nobody ever said he was contracted by Impact. However, champions automatically get added to the list - been that way for like a decade. This isn't new - champions have ALWAYS gotten a free pass on the premise of if you're gonna do a list of wrestlers, then the champions have to be included. Once Omega (or FinJuice, since they're in the same boat) loses the title, he goes bye-bye. I was the one who cautioned not to include everyone who makes a crossover, and I still hold true to that (like if for example if someone added The Good Brothers to the AEW page, I'd be the first to remove them)...BUT...if you hold a company's title, then that's the proverbial exception to the rule. What's the point of having a list of wrestlers if you don't include the champions? Vjmlhds (talk) 14:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

You're correct, nobody said he was contracted by Impact, which is why he does not belong here. It doesn't matter how long something has been done if it's been done wrong. You really have to stop with this "free pass" thing. They are not contracted employees of this company thus do not belong on this list of personnel for a company they do not work for. Again, they are only appearing through an agreement. Yes, they hold Impact's championship, but they ARE NOT employees (i.e., personnel) of Impact Wrestling. Like I linked to you in my last edit summary, they ARE NOT listed as wrestlers of Impact Wrestling. They are only listed on the champions page because they hold the championships. That is as far as it goes. "What's the point of having a list of wrestlers if you don't include the champions?" Well first off, this isn't just a list of wrestlers, it's a list of all the employees of the company, which again, Omega and FinJuice are not. Secondly, if their wrestlers don't hold the championship(s), then the champion isn't listed. Simple as that. --JDC808 ♫ 15:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Taylor Wilde

Alright, this is getting annoying. If you're going to add Taylor Wilde in, include a source. That's the entire point of having the ability to add a source, otherwise anybody could add anyone whether they're there or not. SkylerLovefist (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I've since added a reliable source stating that she has indeed returned. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Not a Rolodex

We have no business listing the entire staff/whatever of this outfit. User:Vjmlhds just put a bunch of em back in (not notable people, of course, without a Wikipedia article), saying they are "the ones who sign the checks and make the major comapny decisions". Well, that doesn't make em notable; the person who answers the phone is arguably as important, or more important, than a videographer or an accountant. We should treat this like an encyclopedic article, and list notable people, just as we do for, for instance, radio and TV stations. Entries without secondary sources can easily be argued to be BLP violations also. Drmies (talk) 00:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

And so who gets to make this call? You simply came in here deleting things without notice. SkylerLovefist (talk) 05:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Policy makes this call. Read this. The list being removed is trivia, and as Drmies said not notable. There is also a consensus that lists should not have any redlinks or no links. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Addicted4517: In that case, the WWE and NWA rosters need to be changed. NWA roster includes camera operators and photographers. --83.40.25.172 (talk) 08:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

And so removed. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, Addicted, why are all of your edits undoing other people's work instead of adding to articles? Edit: I rest my case. That's the second time you've undone that same user's edits improperly citing a Wikipedia Guideline. "I don't know who or what that is and I haven't witnessed it myself, therefore it's an incorrect edit" isn't the standard we edit by. SkylerLovefist (talk) 07:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you refreshed your knowledge of properly addressing other users and so on thank you. Addicted4517 (talk) 06:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop undermining other users all the time because quite frankly it comes across as uncivil. Not only have you once again improperly used a WP because I haven't made any personal attacks and certainly haven't done any of the examples in that article, none of your edits actually seem done to add to articles. They're all you undoing other people's edits and as you've done with myself and this other user, rather than accepting it when you're proven wrong, you further nitpick to get the last word. This is where edit wars and violations of the three revert rule begin happening. SkylerLovefist (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Warning: Making unfounded accusations may result in a formal complaint through WP:AN. Addicted4517 (talk) 01:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

That's yet another incorrect citation. Legitimate criticism for negative behaviour is neither a personal attack, nor an unfounded accusation. Your edit history indicates a significant majority of, if not all of your edits are you undoing other user's edits, often incorrectly citing WP articles, using your own opinions for invalidating other users along with starting edit wars and being inflexible. SkylerLovefist (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

And yet you accuse him of deleting stuff when it's YOU deleting stuff here!! I know who I would believe out of you two with the rules around that! He's putting rules right and all you come back with is your opinion. Anyway - for Addicted here's your proof from an independent source. Next time, Skyler, go get a proper source instead of being a stick in the mud and pushing opinions and social media hmmm? 1.136.105.207 (talk) 04:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How about you make an actual account and mind your own business? You want to talk about violating WP: Civil? And as I've explained to Addicted (who I'm not entirely convinced isn't whoever you are) multiple times, Twitter is a Valid source, especially when the source is the guy who runs Fightful. Mind your own business. SkylerLovefist (talk) 04:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Social Media is NEVER a valid source and don't talk to me about "civility", Mister Rude! Looks like you're running around trying to avoid scrutiny! 1.136.104.127 (talk) 07:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

This is not correct. Social media can be a valid source in limited circumstances. And it is not appropriate to behave in a manner that is the same as that which you are concerned with. In fact I would suggest your lack of civility and attacking is even worse. The only thing you provided correctly was the link that was indeed the variety of source that was required. I support Skyler's assertion that you obtain an account and also that you avoid disputes between users. Speaking for myself I consider this matter closed. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hmph! 1.136.104.127 (talk) 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

This "Last Word" Nonsense.

Can people please refrain from trying to get the last word in when people are proving they've made an unhelpful subtraction from this article? If you're proven wrong, gracefully accept it, or don't make the edit to start with, and don't follow it up by nitpicking the correction which was made solely to save face. It doesn't come across as WP: Civil, but more of an ego issue. Thank you. SkylerLovefist (talk) 17:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

It's not unhelpful if the edits are against wikipedia policies. They explained to you and you keep doing the same thing. The problem is that you see this policies that you ignored as nitpicking. --83.40.25.172 (talk) 11:58, 8 November 2021 (UTC)