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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Dave12121212 (talk | contribs) at 02:37, 10 November 2021 (→Chaos, and Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Add or change the name for the Primordial God “Eros” to “Phanes” or “Eros Elder” to avoid confusion between differentiating between the the Primordial Eros and the son of Ares and Aphrodite, as they are two separate entities. Luigi-The-17th (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. See Eros. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2021

I want to add english names to "Moirae & Keres" as they are absent. I am going to make it so it says "Moirae- Fate" under it just like it says "Doom" under "Moros" Aggamr (talk) 13:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. Terasail[✉️] 16:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Olympians in Bold Font

The Olympians, shown by bold font, are, according to this article: Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Hephaestus, Ares, Aphrodite, Hermes, Hades and Persephone. However, the wikipedia page on the Twelve Olympians states: "the twelve Olympians are the major deities of the Greek pantheon, commonly considered to be Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hermes, and either Hestia or Dionysus." I don't think Hades and Persephone have ever been considered Olympians, especially considering they live in the underworld and not on Mount Olympus. I think their names should be changed to non-bold font and instead replaced by Dionysus and Hestia, perhaps with some sort of note saying that that only one or the other of them is considered ihe 12th Olympian (i.e. there aren't 13 Olympians, just the 12th is different according to different sources). Dave12121212 (talk) 22:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've done it. Dave12121212 (talk) 11:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hesperides

This page puts the Hesperides as children of Atlas and Pleione. However, Pleione's page does not mention them, and the page on the Hesperides states they are either the daughters of Nyx alone,[1] Nyx with Erebus,[2] or Altas with Hesperis,[3] (not Pleione), plus there are some other versions too. (Look at the Hesperides page for the full details.)

The Hesperides need to be changed in this chart, as their current position is inaccurate. Dave12121212 (talk) 11:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Theogony 215
  2. ^ Fabulae, Preface. Also, Cicero, De Natura Deorum, iii.41
  3. ^ Diodorus Sicilus, Bibliotheca historica, 4.27.2
I've changed the Hesperides to children of Nyx in the chart, as that is the version given by Hesiod; I've added a footnote explaining the alternative parentages. Dave12121212 (talk) 09:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chaos, and Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros

This family tree puts Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros as children of Chaos. However, Theoi.com (which I know isn't a reliable source) (see "Family of Khaos" section) says that: "According to Hesiod's Theogony, Gaia, Tartaros and Eros came into being after Khaos. This passage is sometimes misread, making them her offspring." (Also, see the Theoi.com family tree of the Theogony, which puts Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros as being born independently of Chaos.)

The original passage from Hesiod is this: "First Chaos came to be, but next... Earth... and dim Tartarus in the depth of the... Earth, and Eros..." [1]

The passage itself is ambiguous, and can be interpreted either way.

The "Origins of the world and the gods" section in the Greek Mythology page says that: "Out of the void [Chaos] emerged Gaia (the Earth) and some other primary divine beings: Eros (Love), the Abyss (the Tartarus)..." The Greek primordial deities page avoids the problem by simply presenting the quote from the Theogony.

Should the chart on this page be changed so that Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros are born independently of Chaos, or should it stay how it is? Dave12121212 (talk) 01:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Theogony, 116
Theogony#The first gods also has Gaia, Tartarus and Eros as arising independently of Chaos. The table has this citation: Theogony 116–132; Caldwell, p. 5, table 3; Hard, p. 694; Gantz, p. xxvi. Gantz can be found here; if you scroll all the way down to page 804, you can see that Gaia, Tartarus and Eros are not put as children of Chaos. Dave12121212 (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This talk page just seems to be me talking to myself, but if this suffices, then I think the family tree should be changed so that Gaia, Tartarus and Eros are not children of Chaos. Dave12121212 (talk) 09:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you should just go ahead and change it.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I will. This is a point which is the cause of frequent argumentation, though, so I wanted to get the opinion of at least one other person before changing the chart. Plus, this matter was brought up many years ago in 2012, and it was decided to not change it. --— Dave12121212 ◎ 02:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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