Talk:Palestinian Bedouin

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POV Fork

This article appears to be a POV fork of Negev Bedouin, to push the POV that these Bedouins are an organic part of the Palestinian people. Virtually all the contents there appears in the original article, with less POV terminology. Inf-in MD (talk) 00:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

as no one seems to object, I'll redo the redirect. Inf-in MD (talk) 16:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think thats accurate, this covers more than just the Negev. nableezy - 20:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. There may be single mention of non-Negev Bedouins ("predominantly concentrated in the South (al-Naqab/Negev and Gaza), the North (al-Jalil/Galilee) and in the Jerusalem area"), but the rest is essentially a content fork. Inf-in MD (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This page is somewhat lacking, but definitely does not only cover Negev Bedouin. There are bedouin in the West Bank (see here for example). That would very much not be covered by Negev Bedouin, but would here. nableezy - 23:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This page does not discuss those West Bank Bedouins (other that in that single mention I called out above). It is simply a POV fork of Negev Bedouins if one looks at the content. If you want to create a new page about West Bank Bedouins, be my guest, but there's no reason to have another article that is 99% the same as Negev Bedouins, which is what this is. Inf-in MD (talk) 23:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

nableezy do you think the West Bank Bedouin are similar enough to the Negev Bedouin to be covered in the same article? FYI, I'm the one who created the Negev Bedouin page.VR _talk 04:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also if this article is to remain, it might need a disambiguator. "Palestinian Bedouin" typically refers to the Bedouin of the Negev desert (inside the Green line)[1].VR _talk 04:19, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not really honestly, the Bedouin in Israel proper face their own challenges with the unrecognized villages and being denied equal rights as Israeli citizens. nableezy - 16:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, a merge would be premature in the present state of articles. The Palestinian Bedouin article is undeveloped, a stub, but explores a distinct modern historical reality which the Negev Bedouin article openly admits in the final section. The Negev Bedouin article in turn looks like an official government whitewash of the history of the Bedouin in that region. Everytime I look at it I shake my head and the amount of material about their modern history not included in the article, which is massive. Nishidani (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"a merge would be premature in the present state of articles" - this has it exactly backwards. Right now the article (which is not a stub) has more than 95% overlap with Negev Bedouin. In fact, save for the single sentence I quoted above, it doesn't even mention the West Bank Bedouins. As such, we should either delete it as a POV fork, or redirect it to Negev Bedouin, as a plausible search term. And if the Negev Bedouin article needs improvement - stop cringing and shaking your head and go fix it. If someday a meaningful article is written about the West Bank Bedouin, we can then remove the redirect, but we should not keep this POV fork in its current state in the hope that maybe, someday, someone will create that different article.Inf-in MD (talk) 00:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]