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Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Coves (June 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
KylieTastic (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Holy Coves has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Holy Coves. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 11:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Holy Coves has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Holy Coves. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, FlowerMoon593, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have noticed that you are fairly new! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. I also see that some of your recent edits show an interest in the use of images and/or photos on Wikipedia.

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AfC notification: Draft:Holy Coves has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Holy Coves. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Coves (July 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Locomotive207 was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
LocoMotive 1776 03:30, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help me!

Please help me with... Hi, I am currently drafting a page, Holy Coves, I have been granted permission by the owner to use any images of his freely but I am struggling to make sure they meet all the criteria for uploading onto Wikipedia. Could you advise please in lamens terms :/ ha! Thankyou in advance! FlowerMoon593 (talk) 08:14, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. I would say though that the most important thing right now is not to upload their images, but to establish the band's notability, because without it the draft won't be accepted, and the images would be useless. It would be better to upload the images once the draft gets accepted. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kleinpecan, Thankyou for your help, I will direct my focus on the actual draft :) Much appreciated. FlowerMoon593 (talk) 11:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saving draft

Hi, I am currently working on a draft, how do i save the draft inbetween adding new content so I dont lose the work I have already done please? ThankyouFlowerMoon593 (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should click "publish changes", which should be understood to simply mean "save changes". It does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". When ready, you may submit your draft using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Holy Coves has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Holy Coves. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help me please!

Please help me with... Hi, I am currently creating draft:Holy Coves, I am still struggling with notability and references. I was directed to other poorly drafted articles exist with no other explanation and feel this does not really help with what I was asking. other poorly drafted articles exist is not Wikipedia policy. I was not saying that the band I had written a draft about was 'more famous' than other bands on Wikipedia, I was simply stating that I felt I had enough coverage in comparison to some that have little to zero! I am aware that Wikipedia recognises that it suffers from systemic bias :( and also other poorly drafted articles exist is not an essay that can be 'hurled against anyone you disagree with'. I would appreciate fresh eyes to look over my draft please if possible. I am very excited and keen to join and edit/write articles for Wikipedia, especially on topics that are of interest to me and feel will be of interest to others. I warmly welcome any constructive criticisms :) Thankyou FlowerMoon593 (talk) 14:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The band does not see to pass WP:NBAND, most of the references are not showing that it meets that criteria. The band needs to be covered in reliable third party sources that cover the band in detail and must meet the criteria of WP:NBAND also. You need to show with sources that the band meets one of those criteria listed in that article in order for the article to be accepted. CodeLyokotalk 16:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Coves (July 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Fails WP:NBAND
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Dan arndt (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi thankyou for reviewing my submission, I'm at a loss as it has been rejected for the same thing despite me finding newspaper articles, reviews, BBC radio plays - Are they not reliable, independent sources? I was advised the other day that some are suitable and some are not, would removing the references more likely to 'harm the article' help with submission? Many thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 15:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Coves (July 28)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Usedtobecool was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.
Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Neil Crud

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Neil Crud requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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Sorry, It wasnt meant to be published, I was beginning to draft one up. FlowerMoon593 (talk) 16:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Spike T. Smith (November 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Devonian Wombat was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Devonian Wombat Thankyou for reviewing my draft Draft:Spike T. Smith He is a famous session drummer and has freelanced for many huge bands all over the world. If you search up said bands on Wikipedia he is names across them all. How do I successfully move this article into mainspace seeing as he is named many times on other articles. is that notable enough? If not could you please advise. Many thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is demonstrated by significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. This refers to things like newspapers and magazines, though it's important to note that interviews do not count. In order to show notability for the person as opposed to the bands they were in you'll need those sorts of sources talking about Smith at some length, preferably two paragraphs or more. Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Devonian Wombat Thankyou so much for your message, that has really helped me to understand what I need to be looking for and adding as references. I have been working on a draft also for Scott Marsden and would it be ok for me to ask you to check out a reference I might have for the draft please? It has got an interview but it's after the article.

http://archive.thesprout.co.uk/en/news/review-holy-coves/04166.html

Many thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 12:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Neil Crud

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The article Neil Crud has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I am currently working on this article draft. I have found references I need to insert. Please dont delete. Thankyou FlowerMoon593 (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I 331dot I asked if it was possible for the article Neil Crud to be considered as a article to be improved instead of being deleted but did not get a reply...not sure where I wrote this message. it wasnt to yourself but I have noticed that the article still got deleted. Thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 14:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Scott Marsden (November 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Theroadislong (talk) 14:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Neil Crud for deletion

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Theroadislong (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources

Please read WP:RS The Neil crud article has zero reliable sources so far and you have just added another, blogs are VERY rarely considered reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Theroadislong I appreciate what I am being told that my references are not notable, but what I would really appreciate is instead of being told the same thing over and over is if someone could please help me find notable references? or guide me please? Also, I know I dont get to choose who takes a look at what Im doing but I just felt you instantly jump on everything and just end it. I did a draft once for the band Holy Coves, had someone on Wikipedia look at it and they said I had notable references and yet it still got rejected. So I feel at a loss here :( FlowerMoon593 (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, you "dont get to choose who takes a look at what Im doing" - it's Wikipedia, which means everyone gets a look and can edit. And if you create an article, it is YOUR job to provide it with reliable sources. If you can't, don't create it . Emeraude (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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