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Philip I, Count of Schaumburg-Lippe

Philip I, Count of Schaumburg-Lippe can Be added He reigned From March 25 1613 to April 10 1681 Nwoomerkos (talk) 01:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lippe-Alverdissen is described as an "estate" so I'm not sure if it counts. The various HRE lords have always been hard for me to tell the difference between their ranks, I will continue to look into the exact status of Lippe-Alverdissen. Emk9 (talk) 04:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A further complication is that Lippe-Alverdissen ceased to exist as a recognised entity when Philip I inherited the County of Schaumburg in 1640. He merged his inheritances into the County of Schaumburg-Lippe, and Lippe-Alverdissen wasn't recreated until after his death.
However, the treatment of George III (of UK) suggests that where a monarch continues to rule over a territory after it is merged into another entity, his/her reign is deemed to continue. If this convention is adopted here then the merger of Lippe-Alverdissen and Schaumburg does not split Philip I's rule over the former into two segments, so the determination in this case will revert to being dependent on the status of Lippe-Alverdissen. 194.129.64.4 (talk) 12:05, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Henry VI of Henneberg-Aschach

Can this Ruler be added he reigned form 10 February 1292 to January 26 1356. Nwoomerkos (talk) 08:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I can't tell the exact rank of this region, but it's not a good sign that it doesn't have a page on the German wiki. Emk9 (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I mean we can make a redirect to the Henneberg page and check the house of Henneberg page you find him there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.107.139.189 (talk) 19:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that if Henneberg-Aschach doesn't even have a page on the German wiki, it seems unlikely that it was of high enough rank to be considered a monarch. Emk9 (talk) 19:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I mean check the Henneberg page and scroll down and then you find him. Nwoomerkos (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not talking about Henry VI, I'm talking about Henneberg-Aschach itself. Emk9 (talk) 00:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the henneberg page you find that the territory he ruled was called that look Henry VI in to more detail. Nwoomerkos (talk) 05:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added him no need. Nwoomerkos (talk) 06:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I understand that House of Henneberg mentions both Henry VI and Henneberg-Aschach. My point is that the HRE had many levels of nobility, and not all of them could be considered monarchs. It can be difficult to tell for many of the smaller territories, but since the German wiki doesn't even have a page for Henneberg-Aschach itself, it seems unlikely that it was of a high princely rank. This isn't necessarily the case, so I think it needs further research. Emk9 (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that Henry VI is already on the third list, as Heinrich III, which is his name from the German wiki. Emk9 (talk) 07:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry but I mean we should use English names since after all it is the English wikipedia. Nwoomerkos (talk) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kilhan of Jaipur

He apparently reigned From ruled from 16 December 1216 to 17 October 1276 you can find him on the Jaipur State. Nwoomerkos (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Nwoomerkos (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Idris ibni Muhammad al-Qadri, Tunku Besar of Tampin

He is listed in the second table in position 6, as reigning from 3rd December 1929 to 26th December 2005. However, according to the source referenced in the table his reign is listed as being from May 1929 (no day is included). If this source is correct then his reign is longer than is currently acknowledged in our tables. Since the source doesn't list the exact date of the start of his reign it also means that he belongs in the third table, not the second. Hopefully a suitable alternative source can be found to clarify some of these things. 194.129.64.4 (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New source found (on page for Bernhard VII of Lippe). This source states the reign as beginning on 31st May 1929. However it also states that there was a small interruption so the precise details remain unclear.
194.129.64.4 (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about format glitch but including birth years is IMPORTANT!

Block evasion: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LE. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I unintentionally screwed up the format despite trying to copy the old version's code exactly. The omission of a birth year (never mind day which is unnecessary) is a mistake that should never have just been done by one user without discussion. About the most important "asterisk" there is on the length of a reign is whether the person was actually an adult for the whole period or there was a regent filling in for a child whose length is artificially lengthened by comparison thanks to succeeding as a child. Including birth years should be seen as an important improvement. 96.250.80.27 (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A length of a reign is not shortened, due to a regency. Therefore, a birth year, isn't required in this article. GoodDay (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not required but highly misleading to omit and much preferred to be included!! 96.250.80.27 (talk) 23:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not misleading to omit & is not preferred to be included. GoodDay (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not its excellent and laudable inclusion is preferred should be the matter of discussion and not unilateral deletion by those on the negative side.96.250.80.27 (talk) 23:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The onus is on you, to get a consensus for what you want added. GoodDay (talk) 23:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Status of George William?

Currently George William is in 10th place in the second table, which is for monarchs whose state was not internationally sovereign for most of their reign. His reign lasted for nearly 74 years, and ended in late 1860.

Schaumburg-Lippe was part of the HRE before its dissolution, so was not internationally sovereign at the start of George William's reign. However, after the short-lived Confederation of the Rhine it became a state of the German Confederation.

The German Confederation was created in 1815, but arguably didn't come into being until a 2nd treaty was signed on 15 May 1820. According to the Wikipedia page for the German Confederation "[t]he member states … were recognised as fully sovereign."

This suggests that between 1820 (at the latest) and 1860 Schaumburg-Lippe was internationally sovereign, a period covering 40 years. Given that George William's reign was less than 74 years in total, this suggests that he was a monarch of a state that was internationally sovereign for most of his reign, and therefore belongs in the first table, not the second. 194.129.64.4 (talk) 16:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It belongs in the second table, because it wasn't sovereign throughout his entire reign. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ramesses II?

Why is he not on this list at #7 with a reign of 67 years?

HowardMorland (talk) 22:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He's not in the first list because his exact length is unknown. He's on the third list on the page though. Emk9 (talk) 08:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why not add a list that subtracts years that a monarch would be under a regency?

This is largely because why they were the ruler they were it in name only and even then people would say they reach the age of ascension at this time. So why not have a list where these regency years would be removed?

No, because the monarch is still reigning (i.e. is still the monarch), even though a regency is required. In other words, George III was king, from 1760 to 1820; not 1760 to 1811. GoodDay (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regents vs. Byzantine co-emperors

I'd distinguish between regencies during the infancy of a monarch and the Byzantine practice of crowning emperors as co-Augustus at a young age to ensure the succession. It's not just me: compare List of French monarchs, which gives the start of Louis XIV as 1643 (though there was a regency till 1651) with List of Byzantine emperors or List of Roman emperors, both of which give the start of Basil II's relatively long reign as 976, rather than 960. We should be consistent in the dates we use across Wikipedia, rather than stretching out a reign simply because this is a list of superlatives. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:02, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Use the beginning & ending dates of the reign. Otherwise, we'd have Britain's George III listed as reigning from 1760 to 1811. GoodDay (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you clarify if you are supporting measuring the Byzantine emperors from the start of their coronation as co-emperor like this list has done for awhile or using the start of their reign without a co-emperor like Iveagh is proposing. Emk9 (talk) 18:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just use the entire reign of each emperor. Ask ourselves, how would we handle Emperor Peter I of Russia's reign? Would it be 1682–1725, 1696–1724, 1721–25 or 1721–24. GoodDay (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But that's not comparing like with like. Periods of regency are not the same as junior co-emperors. During a regency, the reigning monarch is the monarch, with others acting in their name. What I'm arguing for is consistency across Wikipedia. The reign of George III is generally treated as being from 1760 to 1820; the reign of Basil II is generally treated as being 976 to 1025. Why should this page in particular use different dates for the span of their reign? —Iveagh Gardens (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Emperor Basil II's reign is given as 976 to 1025, at his bio article. GoodDay (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's my point! His early coronation of 960 is noted, but the reign is given as beginning in 976, which wouldn't warrant inclusion in this list. — Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do as you wish. PS - If there is still 'disagreement' among you, then open an RFC. GoodDay (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When did Quee Elizabeth II bcome Queen?

The artile says 1962. It was actully 1952, which moves her considerably up the list.

WmDKing (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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