Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review

? Shortcut: WP:DINOART Dinosaur Image Review Archives Current Image Review Page Gallery of approved images Requested Image List ? This page is mainly for reviewing the accuracy of dinosaur life restorations (usually by the artists themselves, but anyone who wants an image scrutinized is welcome to post it for review). Any other image, such as size comparisons or photos of skeletal mounts, can also be posted here to review their accuracy. If you want to submit dinosaur images for accuracy review, place them here as well as links to what you used as references. If you want to participate as reviewer, you can put the page on your watchlist. New images of any type can also be requested by including "Request:" in the section title; if submitted, such an image will thereafter be reviewed here. Sections are archived automatically after some time when a discussion stalls, to encourage speedy responses from both artists and reviewers. It is allowed to revive sections if they have been archived before being resolved, unlike regular talk page archives. Modifications of previously uploaded amateur restorations to correct anatomical inaccuracies is encouraged (including by others than the original artists), but modifications of historical restorations are discouraged, as these should be used to show historical ideas. Modifications to restorations published in peer-reviewed journals should be uploaded as separate files, so that both versions are available. Images that have been deemed inaccurate should be tagged with the Wikimedia Commons template "Inaccurate paleoart" c:Template:Inaccurate paleoart (which automatically adds the "Inaccurate paleoart" category (c:Category:Inaccurate paleoart), so they can be prevented from being used and easily located for correction. 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Therefore, depicting overly speculative physical features, behaviors, and pathologies should be avoided, to prevent WP:OR issues. Restorations that show serious pathologies known from fossil evidence are welcome, but should not be used as the main representation of a given taxon. These should instead show healthy, typical individuals, and not focus on unknown areas of their anatomy. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia rather than an art gallery, it is not the place for artistic experimentation, and we cannot include every piece of available artwork. Image differs appreciably from known skeletal elements. Example: A Deinonychus reconstructed with four fingers. Image differs appreciably from implied skeletal elements (via phylogenetic bracketing). Example: An oviraptorid known only from postcranial elements reconstructed with teeth, a feature made highly improbable by its phylogenetic position. Image differs appreciably from known non-skeletal elements. 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Images in review

Pine in Nanuqsaurus habitat

The image File:Nanuqsaurus NT small.jpg is used on the page Nanuqsaurus, and it has pines and other conifers in the background. I know that these trees coexisted with Nanuqsaurus in terms of timeframe, but contemporary pinus are not native in Alaska. Did pine exist in the Prince Creek Formation during the Late Cretaceous period? Di (they-them) (talk) 01:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

The Prince Creek Formation was dominated in at least one area by Parataxodium wigginsii. Pinus has not been observed in the formation from what I understand. This study covers a number of plants found in the formation, with no mention of pinaceae. Luxquine (talk) 01:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, how correct is the depiction of a feathered Nanuqsaurus in general? In my opinion, it might just be a paleoart meme. At least according to phylogenetic bracketing, Nanuqsaurus was scaly. HFoxii (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's just a palaeoart meme considering how many palaeontologists championed the idea of feathered large tyrannosaurs for years, and many still do. In any case, I don't think we know enough yet, it's not as if "completely scaly Tyrannosaurus" is a settled idea either. As for the background, perhaps we could just remove the trees? Or isolate the dinosaur? FunkMonk (talk) 18:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I vote to isolate the dinosaur. If anything, the most “meme” like part about the reconstruction is that it’s pure white, when in reality it lived in a more temperate environment where that kind of colouration wouldn’t have been particularly useful as camouflage. Still possible, nonetheless, just far more likely for it to have been brown or even black. Luxquine (talk) 05:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll try to give it a shot. In the meantime, there's also a free illustration of Nanuqsaurus in this colouring book PDF (page 31) if we want it:[1] FunkMonk (talk) 05:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

File:Nanuqsaurus National Parks Coloring Book.jpg

I'm not sure it's worth the effort to remove the background on that image, it doesn't even have feet either. But I've uploaded the colouring book illustration in case we just want to replace it, how does it look? And does anyone want to colourise it? FunkMonk (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Riparovenator reconstruction

Life reconstruction of Riparovenator

First image up for review in a while! Decided to upload a drawing I did of Riparovenator per FunkMonk's suggestion. Note: was only meant as a casual quick sketch so there may be errors. ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Looks spiffy, are you going for lip covered teeth? Seems a bit in-between now, since the kink in the upper jaw is showing. The "official" artwork has the teeth covered, but with the lips seemingly being uniform in depth even over the kink. Perhaps the thumb claw looks a bit thin considering the angle? And the underside of the feet look a bit flat, with no toe pads, but maybe they're sinking into the substrate? FunkMonk (talk) 16:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

What is with the image's description on Commons? It says this is Qianzhousaurus... Kiwi Rex (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Why are the legs so short? Baryonychines had longer legs than spinosaurines. Miracusaurs (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

• Given Riparovenator is more closely related to Baryonuchus, why does it have a Spinosaurus tail? Is that a paddle or feathers? Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Lambeosaurus magnicristatus

Lambeosaurus magnicristatus

New 3D model of Lambeosaurus magnicristatus. In the future, I, together with Peter Menshikov, want to make an animation of the possible social behavior of lambeosaurines. How do you like it? HFoxii (talk) 10:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I think the color scheme looks nice, but one fix on the body proportions could be to lower the shoulder girdle a little further towards the ground, since among hadrosaurids the most elevated areas along the vertebral column are near the sacrum, and the torso is at a downward slant with them having some of the most disproportionately small forelimbs among quadrupeds. And maybe some small aesthetic details around the skull, but other than that, it looks good.

And i apologize for the massive run-on sentence Hiroizmeh (talk) 22:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hiroizmeh: The position of the shoulder girdle has been corrected. Also, what would you like to change about the details of the skull? HFoxii (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@HFoxii:Nothing major, just some more definition like ridges around the orbit etc. But that's pretty much optional and it's fine how it is. The more important thing could be to make the crest a distinct color from the rest of the animal, especially if you want to entertain the hypothesis that the crest serves a visual purpose in social behavior. Hiroizmeh (talk) 19:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hiroizmeh: It is planned to accept the hypothesis that the crest was intended for sound interaction. HFoxii (talk) 01:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

FWIW those options aren't mutually exclusive. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Note that the hind feet were slightly rotated inwards; at least, this is what the trackways show. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you check out the new version? Any other comments? HFoxii (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hiroizmeh, Lythronaxargestes, and Jens Lallensack: Do you have something to say? HFoxii (talk) 14:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@HFoxii: I think it looks nice. Hiroizmeh (talk) 17:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if this is foreshortening but the tail length and musculature look off. Seems too short with too sharp a transition in tail thickness. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lythronaxargestes: This is probably due to the angle[2]. HFoxii (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Eotyrannus restorations by Nobu Tamura

Eotyrannus by "Conty" (updated).

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Without any decent singular depictions of Eotyrannus, I decided to upload Nobu Tamura's restorations of the genus. I think the last one is a speculative depiction of a adult Eotyrannus, it also depicts Hypsilophodon. Any thoughts & criticisms? Monsieur X (talk) 04:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Some sunken fenestrae that could be fixed, but otherwise ok? FunkMonk (talk) 00:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I smoothed over the sunken fenestra in the middle one. Might have a look at the others too at some point. FunkMonk (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

What a coincident, I started to draw a new version of my Eotyrannus this summer, now uploaded. Is it more "decent"? :-) (regarding the the depiction of the pair, I am planning to replace the one in running pose (a bit too large, I know) with one sniffing in the air). Conty~enwiki 20:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The tail seems a bit short even with foreshortening. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 16:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Short tail? Which one of them? Conty~enwiki 19:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The standalone one. Or is that supposed to be unedited? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:53, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I can fix the tail a bit. 16:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Reconstructions by Entelognathus

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  Velociraptor mongoliensis
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  Microraptor gui
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  Microraptor zhaoianus
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  Yanornis martini
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  Yanornis martini
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  Archaeoraptor

User Entelognathus has created some very nice dromaeosaurid reconstructions and it would be good to see them on the Wikipedia pages for these genera. The Microraptor zhaoianus was posted in the non-dinosaur image review section where some corrections were suggested. I would add its right forelimb doesn't look right for two reasons, 1. the second and third manus claws should be visible, and 2. the alula should be covering the first manus claw. The Microraptor gui reconstruction is better at showing the animal's features, but it is missing the alula, its tail is too short and the tail fan doesn't match what is known of Microraptor's tail fan. The Velociraptor reconstruction has the inaccurate palaeoart template with inaccuracies listed. I would add that red shouldn't be visible on its lower jaw. There are also two reconstuctions of "Archaeoraptor" where the Microraptor appear to be the same as in the reconstructions of Microraptor on its own and so they have the same inaccuracies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7d:e847:a500:988f:6760:4f6c:9854 (talk • contribs)

As I understand, the legs and feet on "Archaeoraptor" did not belong to Microraptor, but some unknown other animal. Research on the Jehol biota has moved on substantially since 2001 and I don't known if this has been referenced since. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I added the tag to the Velociraptor image. I think matching the proportions of the head, eye and teeth with for example Hartman's skeletal would be enough. The first Yanornis is odd in that the teeth look like they're pseudo teeth, part of the beak. You should make them clearly distinct from the beak, as they were true teeth. The snout and teeth of the Microraptor zhaoianus don't seem to match skeletal either, too upturned snout and robust teeth. FunkMonk (talk) 18:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I've added two reconstructions of Yanornis by Entelognathus to the images above. They appear to be the same as the Yanornis in the Archaeoraptor reconstructions. The first one is being used on the Yanornis Wikipedia page, but based on FunkMonk's comment it looks like the second one is more accurate. Oddly, it was on the Yanornis Wikipedia page before getting replaced by the one with pseudo teeth. Similarly, Entelognathus's older Microraptor gui has more accurate teeth than their newer Microraptor zhoainus. Regarding the second "Archaeoraptor", it seems to be stiched together at the halfway point which I don't think is appropriate, and it appears to have one forelimb wing from Yanornis and the other from Microraptor. If I'm not mistaken both of its wings should be Yanornis's. 2A02:C7D:E847:A500:8D8D:650F:8970:BCC9 (talk) 22:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Just an update on this - a reading of the "Archaeoraptor as Yanornis" paper suggests that the legs belong to Yanornis as well. So the whole thing should be Yanornis except for the tail. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 08:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone! Thank you for your critiques, they were really helpful! I've updated both reconstructions of Yanornis to have true teeth rather than pseudoteeth, and the reconstruction of Velociraptor to be more consistent with Hartman's skeletal. I'll get to both Microraptor reconstructions tomorrow. :) Hopefully these updated versions are a little better! Entelognathus (talk) 01:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections! There's a few more I'd like to suggest. For the Velociraptor, its teeth appear to extend too far back in the jaws and it would also benefit from more teeth in the rest of its lower jaw too. Also the keratin would extend the length of its sickle claw more than you've shown. All these feature's can be seen in Scott Hartman's skeletal. Looking at fossil specimens I wonder if the Yanornis would need more teeth, at least in its lower jaws? Finally, the Yanornis and Microraptor appear to not have nostrils? 2A02:C7D:E847:A500:49C5:710A:C55F:CFD (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi again! Still haven't gotten around to the Microraptor reconstructions, but both Yanornis recons and the Velociraptor have been fixed, I think. Entelognathus (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

One thing to remember (which is often ignored in palaeoart), and which looks off in at least the Velociraptor, is that the visible part of the eye should be able to fit within the inner diameter of the sclerotic ring, not take up the entire space. So the eye here seems to be twice too big. FunkMonk (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I suggest doing a revision on the wings for all of these illustrations. In all of the fossils of paraves we have as well as in modern birds, the secondaries don’t decrease in length the closer to the body they get. Keep in mind too that the secondaries only attach to the lower arm, not the upper arm which is held almost parallel to the body and has very few tertiaries that act to provide a seamless transition into the body feathers. The shoulder in your microraptor pieces in particular should not be visible, as they’d blend into the body with the feathers. Luxquine (talk) 06:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi again! Sorry for dragging my feet so much on this, it's been a busy semester. I ended up completely redoing my M. zhaoianus piece since I couldn't get it to look right as is--the "Archaeoraptor" piece has also been updated. (Save for my old one, which I nominated for deletion since I mistakenly uploaded a duplicate a few months back. Whoops!) I also edited the eye on Velociraptor, so it should be consistent with the fossils now. I haven't reworked my M. gui reconstruction since I've been told it's a dubious taxon, and might also nominate that for deletion as well. Hopefully now these recons are a little more up to snuff! Thanks all for your helpful criticism! :) Entelognathus (talk) 01:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Even if M. gui is dubious or a synonym, it would be based on a real animal, though. So not sure why it would need to be deleted. FunkMonk (talk) 01:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I feel like it'd be redundant since my other Microraptor piece is already on here. Entelognathus (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I love the new M. zhaoianus restoration! The iridescence is very well done. But I'm pretty sure it should have longer primaries than secondaries, like your M. gui. See this fossil: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-representative-Microraptor-zhaoianus-fossil-showing-body-wing-hind-limb-and-tail_fig2_256102089 Miracusaurs (talk) 08:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Entelognathus, I'm happy to see you back with updated reconstructions. I was admiring your Edestus the other day and it made me wonder if your dromaeosaurid reconstructions would be used one day. On your Velociraptor the visible second toe doesn't seem to be the right shape, comparing it to Scott Hartman's skeletal:https://www.skeletaldrawing.com/theropods/velociraptor

Tyrannosaurus arm action

Tyrannosaurus rising up (based on Caneer et.al. 2021)

I am planning to make a series with illustrations of the ideas how tyrannosaurids might used their arms and have published my first one. At the beginning of this year, Caneer et.al. (2021) described a fossil track of Tyrannosaurus that would make Lawrence Lambe (who were the first one to propose the hypothesis that the arms were used like this) leaping for joy and declare that "God is a palaeontologist!". Jokes aside: what do you think? Conty~enwiki 09:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

looks good--Bubblesorg (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Xuanhuaceratops niei

Reconstructed head of Xuanhuaceratops niei

The old illustration used for the Xuanhuaceratops article seems like it could really use an update, so I made this reconstruction to potentially replace it. Mettiina (talk) 14:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Good idea, I don't even think the old restoration has ever been reviewed, and it does seem kind of wonky. Do we know if its teeth would be exposed like that when the mouth was closed? FunkMonk (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

The premaxillary teeth overlapped the toothless predentary that is usually interpreted as an exposed keratin-covered beak. So unless the predentary was wrapped in lips instead, it's unlikely the teeth would have been fully covered. Maybe it was a display feature, like boar tusks and chevrotain fangs. Mettiina (talk) 18:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Request: Dinheirosaurus life restoration

This seems to be the last of our Good Articles that needs an adequate life restoration, which should make it a high priority. FunkMonk (talk) 04:12, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Bahariasaurus new restoration

Bahariasaurus restoration

--Bubblesorg (talk) 03:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

This is genuinely a huge improvement from your previous artwork. Given how limited the material of Bahariasaurus is, not much can be said about it's accuracy. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:18, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

First of all, thanks. But I would like to note this drawing is to replace that earlier one. The earlier oen in my opinion being too lumpy and outdated--Bubblesorg (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm opposed to the Bahariasaurus article having a life restoration at all—or, if it must have one, it should have multiple comparable life restorations showing it restored based on different hypothesized phylogenetic positions. Ornithopsis (talk) 05:21, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

In agreement here. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

• The rounded half-circles on the snout, are these the teeth? If so, I would remove them assuming the presence of lips. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

They strike me as large, epidermal scales like that inferred for tyrannosaurs. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 16:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

No they are not teeth, they are lips, those are superlabial scales seen in lizards and possibly some basal archosaurs--Bubblesorg (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Its the Epidermal scales Lyhtro is refering to.--Bubblesorg (talk) 18:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, though I think they don't look like scales, because too strong … maybe make them much more subtle, more like those you have on the trunk? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, i have taken into consideration, what Ornithopsis said earlier and I am working on a ceratosaur version as well as Charcarodontosaurid version--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay Jens, have you seen the mouth of a lizard?--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

In the case of dinosaurs, I wouldn’t use lizards as reference for how dinosaurian scutes work. Plate-like overlapping scales are one of the diagnostic characteristics for squamata, while dinosaurs had non-overlapping and likely much smaller scutes. Luxquine (talk) 06:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Bubblesorg means this: [3] Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I still think they don't look like scales because they are too strong, to salient, lines too thick – and possibly they are too large as well. The reconstruction in the blog post Lythronax linked above shows how such scales could be drawn more naturally. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

My original point being that they are too large and too defined. I wasn’t saying that they shouldn’t exist, only that the scutes aren’t as obvious or pronounced as the scales in lizards as they don’t serve the same function. I second Jens’ opinion that they should be as pronounced as the scutes on the body in terms of line thickness and definition. Luxquine (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Brighstoneus

Brighstoneus restoration

This restoration by Ohdear15 was added to the Brighstoneus article without review. It seems to have several strange anatomical features, but I'll let others with more experience in this field critique it. SlvrHwk (talk) 01:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yeah sorry about that. I knew there was a system to get people to review palaeo-reconstructions but didn't know where that system was and couldn't find it. Any feedback would be appreciated so that I can re-make and improve the illustration if need-be :) DJK (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The hands are pronated (rotated inward) and the left hand looks particularly broken. Here is an example of correct hand orientation in Ouranosaurus: [4] Perhaps the back can be smoothed out as well. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Brighstoneus should probably be reconstructed on the basis of other high-spined iguanodontians such as Ouranosaurus and Hypselospinus. This appears to have overly-long, questionably-muscled forelimbs and isn't high-spined enough. Ornithopsis (talk) 05:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections! Apologies, all of the iguanodont reference images I'd used when drawing the hands had them pronated in that manner. I'll do a re-draw with these in mind DJK (talk) 05:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

• I think that the legs are spread way too far apart, and the forelimb seems extremely thick and massive. Digits were probably not completely flat on the ground as shown, but their top surface was slightly rising (less than digitigrade). --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The legs look a bit awkward--Bubblesorg (talk) 18:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I've re-drawn it, this time coloured with markers due to issues I've had with Photoshop crashing every time I try to zoom in. Any feedback would be greaty appreciated :) DJK (talk) 02:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with using markers! Anatomically, the main problem is that the spines, and thus the crest, were longest over the tail base. Possibly, the tail projected more horizontally.--MWAK (talk) 07:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Revised Brighstoneus restoration

Okay, I'll do another version in the coming days DJK (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Request: Duriavenator size comparison diagram

Duriavenator size comparison

I'm currently expanding the Duriavenator article (with the end goal being WP:FAC), but oddly enough, it's one of the only megalosaurid articles without a size comparison diagram, so any help would be appreciated. Most sources give a 7 metre estimate. FunkMonk (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Here's a draft for Duriavenator. Scaling the Duriavenator holotype material to Megalosaurus skeletals by Slate Weasel and Scott Hartman resulted in a length closer to 8 metres, but Torvosaurus brought it to almost exactly 7 metres. Thoughts? SlvrHwk (talk) 20:26, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Cool! Only thing I'm thinking is that when the foot is lifted that high, the toes would be curled downwards? FunkMonk (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, here is the uploaded version. Does that foot look any better now? SlvrHwk (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Certainly, I'll add it to the article in my next round of edits, thanks! And of course, if anyone else has something to add, feel free. FunkMonk (talk) 07:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Fylax restoration by Savage Almond

Fylax restoration

Restoration of the head of Fylax by Savage Almond, added to (and since removed from) this page. The outline seems particularly rough. SlvrHwk (talk) 04:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd agree with that assessment. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 13:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I know we like to take what we can get but surely we must old ourselves to at least some standard of basic quality. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 13:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

The better question is, why has nobody bothered to rip the figures out of the Polonica paper yet? Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Done. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

It should be noted that while some images probably can't be used due to, let's say, artistic inadequacy, I've seen some artists here improve tremendously over a short time, so if an image is excluded, that of course doesn't mean that later works by the artist in question can never be used. FunkMonk (talk) 21:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

My artistic skills are crap so I restrict myself to technical drawings. This drawing isn't even half as bad as some I've seen, it's definitely better than the horrors seen in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lazarussuchus_life_restorations. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

New Thanatotheristes

Thanatotheristes head

Thanatotheristes new head--Bubblesorg (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Anatomically, the eye seems many times too small. But what's up with that huge, empty space? It makes the dinosaur even smaller and harder to see at thumbnail size. FunkMonk (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Qianzhousaurus life restorations

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  FunkMonk's restoration, now Alioramus altai
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  PaleoGeekSquared's restoration

Since 2020, the Qianzhousaurus article uses an illustration by PaleoGeekSquared instead of an restoration by FunkMonk that has been there since 2015. Although both life restorations were reviewed, it was not explained why one should replace the other. Perhaps now is the time to discuss this? HFoxii (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it's just a matter of space. To be honest, my version was a bit sloppy, but if the article is expanded, they could probably both be used. FunkMonk (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Since our only restoration of Alioramus altai has been tagged as inaccurate, I should perhaps remake this into that species, since we don't have other restorations of it? FunkMonk (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

What do you think about that idea, HFoxii? FunkMonk (talk) 04:10, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea. HFoxii (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

• I've now modified my restoration into being Alioramus altai instead, and took the liberty to bump this section to get it reviewed. Any thoughts, and HFoxii?FunkMonk (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks fairly good, I assume the lacrimal horn is intentionally exaggerated by keratin? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 22:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually superimposed the skeletal from the paper over it when I modified it, but felt the lacrimal horn of the outline seemed a bit conservative... FunkMonk (talk) 22:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Request: Updated Tethyshadros images

A new paper formally describes the larger, more robust "Bruno" specimen of Tethyshadros and also disputes Dalla Vecchia's conclusions about tail length. Slate Weasel - if you could update your size comparison to show both the holotype "Antonio" alongside "Bruno", that'd be great. There are skeletals here and a cleaner version in Figure S20 of the supplementary material. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 22:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the really long delay... I'll look into updating this either today or tomorrow. --Slate Weasel [Talk - Contribs] 19:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Lythronaxargestes, I've updated the diagram. How does it look? --Slate Weasel [Talk - Contribs] 19:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Mostly looks good, thanks. Maybe put the forelimbs on the ground? Looks a bit unbalanced. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Switched to quadrupedal mode. Does this look better? --Slate Weasel [Talk - Contribs] 21:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Splendid. I'll let others chime in. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Megapnosaurus by @Wikipteryx:

Its nothing major, but I just realized that in File:Coelophysis rhodesiensis.JPG, the ear is in the wrong spot. (it's forwards in the inferior temporal fenestra instead of behind the quadratojugal). Its a cool illustration though, so what do you guys think should be done? Maybe have @MonsieurX: fix it, since they've edited the image convincingly before. Hiroizmeh (talk) 23:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah, perhaps @Monsieur X: could have a look. FunkMonk (talk) 00:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Stegouros restorations

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  Restoration by Luis Enrique Pérez López
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  Restoration by Mauricio Alvarez

Any comments? Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice they uploaded them, I think at least in the first one, the eye might be too big? It seems to fill up the entire orbit, which would be unlikely. FunkMonk (talk) 00:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

So frustratingly tall, going to be a bitch to make fit well into a body of text... LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 00:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

A cropped version of the first one with a smaller eye could be made, for example. Then we can leave the original alone. FunkMonk (talk) 00:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps a size chart would also be useful? It might be useful to visualize just how tiny it is, just from the scalebar and text even many palaeo enthusiasts such as myself failed to at first put two and two together. Could even do a size chart including Kunbarrasaurus and Antarctopelta as well, both given rough size estimates in the paper and I'm sure in some previous literature too. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 17:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I've actually started a Stegouros size diagram for use outside of Wiki, so I could upload that here. As for a Parankylosauria chart, Kunbarrasaurus shouldn't be too terribly hard, but I couldn't find many decent sources for Antarctopelta. Anyone know of any? - SlvrHwk (talk)

@SlvrHwk: The Stegouros paper gives an estimated length of 4 metres for Antarctopelta. Given that Antarctopelta is only known from 15% of the skeleton, you can probably just scale the silhoutte of Stegouros accordingly to make one for Antarctopelta. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Stegouros Size Comparison Diagram

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  Stegouros
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  Antarctopelta
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  Kunbarrasaurus
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  Parankylosauria

Here is a draft for Stegouros and Antarctopelta, using the same silhouette for both animals. The scaling is approximate. The osteoderms on the back might be a little too square? I copied them directly from the skeletal diagram. Kunbarrasaurus is still on its way. Comments? - SlvrHwk (talk) 03:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks good; I assume there will be a human for scale in the finalized version? LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, of course. This is just a silhouette draft. SlvrHwk (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, here is the size comparison diagram for Stegouros! Antarctopelta should come shortly. -SlvrHwk (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Antarctopelta diagram uploaded. I altered the pose and osteoderm shape/arrangement to make it more distinct. -SlvrHwk (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Kunbarrasaurus finished and all three dinosaurs added to one chart for Parankylosauria. Comments? -SlvrHwk (talk) 00:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks. Good. Puts into perspective how small they really are. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Mystery titanosaur

I dug up an old titanosaur illustration[5] I had done for another project and tried to improve the anatomy (sauropod anatomy is not my strongest point, and it's still very much a WIP) so it could be used here. But it was drawn pretty generically, so it could be a number of genera that we don't have illustrations of yet. Any suggestions/requests for what it could be? Looking around what needs illustrations, perhaps it could be Atsinganosaurus, Lirainosaurus, Mendozasaurus, or similar. FunkMonk (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Mendozasaurus certainly doesn't have the default basic body shape of the one you've illustrated here, it looks far more like a basic Opisthocoelicaudia or Nemegtosaurus, which we do already have illustrations for (one by you). Lirainosaurines are not a bad shout, given that they are close to opisthocoelicaudiines in some studies, and tend to lack extravagance. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 05:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Well-spotted, I had originally based it on one those genera, just kind of forgot hehe. I guess by extension it could be any member of Saltasauridae? And any pointers as to osteoderm arrangement? Just the usual on the tail which has become fashionable? FunkMonk (talk) 14:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps Neuquensaurus? One of the oldest titanosaurs with the most history, could be pursued as an article for improvement. A good skeletal of it here, showing a reasonable arrangement of osteoderms on the flanks. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 17:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice idea! I guess it would also have to be a bit more slender, with a proportionally larger skull, or what do you think? FunkMonk (talk) 19:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Skull size is a bit hard to determine without a skull, but yeah both your suggested changes will probably make it more in like with the general trend of small animals having larger heads. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Liaoningornis

I have updated my old restoration of Liaoningornis, which became inaccurate back in 2012 as the genus were reclassified as an enantiornithe (see image description for details). I want to draw the holotype fossil stone slab and put it along with the life restoraton in the future, but for now: what do you think? Conty~enwiki 18:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It looks good, certainly one of the better enantiornithean restorations on the site. I will say that the bright yellow head coloration is unlikely, considering most yellow pigment is derived from carotenoids, which did not become widely utilized in bird feathers until much later. An equally vibrant iridescence such as green, blue, or even metallic red would be a suitable replacement. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 01:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Green and red (that is - true red, not ginger like that seen in red pandas or other "red" mammals) are also derived from carotenoid pigments, at least in part. Carotenoids can be sequestered in species that eat lots of insects (sturnus starlings come to mind with their yellow beaks coloured by lutein), but not nearly as vibrant. Looking at the fossil, the tarsometatarsus seems to be too long in comparison to the rest of the leg, no matter which position the leg is held in, to be accurate. I would also change the wing - if the species is indeed the size of the sparrow, the wings seem to be too small to provide enough lift for flight; the secondaries should be covering the pelvis and stopping at the base of the tail. The discovery of Chiappeavis and Yuanchuavis have supported tail fans in some members of Enantiornithes, but from what we know now it seems to be more likely to have had a single pair of rachis dominated feathers or simply nothing but body feathers covering the tail. In other words, I suggest removing the brown flight feathers on the tail and just leaving the fluffy grey body feathers. Good work with the plumage pattern, I like it a lot! Luxquine (talk) 07:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope that I will get time update it during Christmas holiday. But what colour should I give to the head? Dark reddish-Brown? Conty~enwiki 12:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

That would work! Red pandas would be a good reference. :) Luxquine (talk) 04:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

As you wished. Conty~enwiki 14:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Great work! The only suggestion I have left is to make the orange more muted. Like a ruddy brown instead of vibrant orange. Luxquine (talk) 02:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Shanag skull reconstruction

Skull reconstruction of Shanag ashile

Skull reconstruction of Shanag ashile. Missing elements are based on Sinornithosaurus. Wondering if this is good enough for Wikipedia. P2N2222A (talk) 02:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The superior temporal fenestra area looks like it could use more detail, but other than that, it looks pretty nice. It would be cool to see more skeletals like this from you. Hiroizmeh (Talk | Contributions) 02:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I have a few more that I can submit for review, and others that I intend to illustrate later on. P2N2222A (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Liaoceratops reconstructions

Skeletal reconstruction of Liaoceratops yanzigouensis

Liaoceratops skull

Reconstructions of Liaoceratops yanzigouensis. Currently the Liaoceratops page only has life reconstruction, no figures of the fossils. Wondering whether it would be better to use skull only version or the version with the outline. P2N2222A (talk) 14:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I think the full body outline would look nice in the taxobox for Liaoceratops, but of course that's just preference. And something I forgot to note, refrain from adding a copyright symbol to any reconstructions, since when you add a work to Wikipedia you agree to release it under Creative Commons 4.0. Hiroizmeh (Talk | Contributions) 16:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

removed copyright symbols on both versions of Liaoceratops plus the Shanag skull (I had originally posted these on my social media before uploading to Wikipedia) P2N2222A (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Homo sapiens VS Vectiraptor greeni size comparison.svg

The new page Vectiraptor has no image, and I made File:Homo sapiens VS Vectiraptor greeni size comparison.svg. The image uses this image from the paper as reference for the sizes. I made sure that they were to the same scale. Is it ok to use the file on the page, at least until a better piece of paleoart is made? Di (they-them) (talk) 02:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

it looks good as far as I can tell. I would put it in the article but wait until we have something better for the infobox. P2N2222A (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

• The entire precaudal part of the dromaeosaurid silhouette seems to be an almost exact trace over File:Deinonychus-scale.png (only modified to be longer anteroposteriorly). This should be credited. --Slate Weasel [Talk - Contribs] 22:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

"Tyrannoclaus rex"

Time to use this again... :-) Conty~enwiki 14:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@Conty~enwiki: Merry Christmas!Di (they-them) (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

And happy new year! FunkMonk (talk) 07:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Ayo, happy 2022! Kingmeatballs (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)