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To anon editor: please try to stay within the bounds of the NPOV style. Charles Matthews 22:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

To User:Polycarp: please note the above comment. This article, like any other at WP, is meant to be for information, not advocacy. I am going to change back parts of it. Charles Matthews 09:59, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Comment on the politics - it would be good to support this with a specific quote. He was pro-Mussolini, and certainly very much a supporter of the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. I don't want to write anything facile about this on the page. I believe his position in the early 1920s was sort of monarchist. I also believe that while his politics were fairly similar to the French style of Maurras, he was not actually in agreement with Maurras, whom he found too godless. Therefore, while he was a long way to the authoritarian right, there are also some nuances that should be brought out. Charles Matthews 07:51, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'May all my enemies go to Hell'

As far as I know, this came from a rhyme Belloc composed in his fiction work The Four Men, and I've never heard of it used in a Christmas card. What is the source for this information? JNF Tveit 23:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This rhyme appears in Belloc's The Four Men, as one of the verses of a song one of the title characters, The Sailor, sings. It should be noted that the other characters regard the verse as fairly gauche and ill-conceived, and if the verse is taken out of this context it may be misunderstood. It should also be noted that these four characters supposedly represent four different facets of Belloc's own character; so while a part of Belloc may have agreed with this verse, other parts of him may have disagreed and checked the more offensive part. This is all inconsequential, however, if someone can cite a source which proves Belloc used the verse in a Christmas card. The verse in its entirety is as follows:

'May all good fellows that here agree

Drink Audit Ale in heaven with me,

And may all my enemies go to hell!

Noel! Noel! Noel! Noel!

May all my enemies go to hell!

Noel! Noel!' JNF Tveit 23:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since this material still goes unattested, and since the current version may be unjustly defamatory against Belloc's character, I am going to change it, pending attestation. JNF Tveit 20:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems an odd inclusion here.--Jack Upland (talk) 13:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've now removed it. A song in a novel doesn't necessarily reflect his opinions.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Manner of death (cause: fall) is vague. "Just four days before his eighty-third birthday, while dozing before the fireplace in his daughter's home, he fell into the flames and was so badly burned that he died in hospital at Guildford, Surrey, soon afterward on July 16, 1953" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.226.18 (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dinner at the Vintners’ Hall. 23 October 1931

Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to a researcher, might be his being mentioned in Tables of Content (1933), André L. Simon, #66: “Dinner at the Vintners’ Hall. 23 October 1931”, “The first dinner of the new-born ‘Saintsbury Club’”: “There was but one speech, but a real master-piece: Hilaire Belloc proposing the toast of Professor Saintsbury, whose birthday we were keeping. He spoke of his astounding knowledge of literature in all lands, of his transparent honesty and of his indomitable courage, the three cardinal virtues of the literary critic and also of the judge of wine—and old Professor Saintsbury such a master of both letters and wine.” (My pictures 9861-2.) JDAWiseman (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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works/bibliography

The list of "works" in the article (Hilaire Belloc#Works) is entirely made up of fairly obscure essays and articles, with the occasional link to a fringe website that hosts copies of them, but the main books are on a separate page, Hilaire Belloc bibliography, which lists only books and no articles. This seems an entirely unhelpful way of presenting the material. I would suggest putting the long list of essays and articles in the "bibliography" and just list a few of the most notable works in the main article. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

anti-evolution efforts

If his anti-evolution writings were his "most effective", that's condemnation rather than praise, since they betrayed his lack of knowledge about science, and didn't really persuade those who knew about science of anything. Martin Gardner has an account in Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science... AnonMoos (talk) 00:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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'May all my enemies go to Hell'

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