Talk:Religion in Israel

The Gospel

The article mentions that there has been friction between Christian groups and the government. Is this refering to the ban on preaching the Gospel, since this is a rumour that is widespread. Is this true?

I belive this to be true, but the only webpages I could find were pages of the "we fight against Jewish supremacism" sort. Although these pages are sometimes correct, I think most Wikipedians discount them as beeing anti-semitic. Personally I find it difficult to find correct information about Jews and Israel.

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Subbotniki from USSR

How many subbotniki are living in Israel? Have they contact with Sabbat-Adventists? SimonMayer.

Need help

can sum1 tell me all the religions in Israel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.160.214.15 (talk) 14:11, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

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The article "religion in Israel" in misleading

As someone who lives in Israel, the article present misinformation stating 1% is non-religious. I think, after watching other talks, that the authors of the article are confused between Jewish as ethnicity and Jewish as a religion. If someone says he is a jew that does not necessarily mean he is religious for the same reason someone says he is a Chinese does not necessarily mean he is religious. The word jew is ambiguous, I was in a school where being non-religious was the default and everyone would say they are Jewish because of their parent's ethnicity, not their beliefs.

I believe it is supposed to be ~20% non-religious and ~9% atheists live in Israel (this from some statistics I saw but you can research it further). I can confirm there is a lot of non-religious people in Israel from my experience and is probably higher than 20% now, but 1% is just impossible and presenting misinformation.

Thank you, an atheist Jew who lives in Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itay Levi (talk • contribs) 14:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources WP:RS to support your claim, go ahead and edit the article.Serv181920 (talk) 16:31, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Itay Levi, the Pie chart you referred claims that 1% are Unclasiffied (What you call חסר דת). As to being Jewish, it is indeed ambiguous, one might say nearing meaninglessness, outside Israel; within your state, it is a matter not of self-definition but of official registration as a member of the Jewish millet. AddMore-III (talk) 11:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that it is under "religion in Israel" and does not represent the religion in Israel. My point is that it misleads people who enter the page and they do not know that it represents the ethnic Jewish group. If the data there is going to be mention, it should be in a non-central location and there need to be a clarification to the unrealistic match between the Jewish ethnic group % and the Jewish religious group % which does not give the correct picture of the religion in Israel. Itay Levi (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The fact that your state does not allow you not to profess a religion (you'll have to petition a court to be registered as "unclassified") is not our fault. In Israel, being Jewish, legally, is not "being a member of an ethnic group" but being member of a rabbinate-controlled millet. Even subjectively, hardly anyone states "none" when asked what is their religion, and what they usually reply is that they are hiloni, whatever that means. If you're troubled by that, you need to change reality, not wikipedia articles which reflect reality. AddMore-III (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

1. "The fact that your state does not allow you not to profess a religion (you'll have to petition a court to be registered as "unclassified") is not our fault." but it is your fault saying that 99% of the population in Israel are religious. If China would say that its population is 99% religious without letting people be with no religion, that does not mean that 99% of its population is religious. 2."Even subjectively, hardly anyone states "none" when asked what is their religion" How do you know that? 3. "wikipedia articles which reflect reality", 1% people with no religion is not reality considering how much would consider themself as atheists here, let alone with no religion. This is far from reality and this unrealistic results should be in a non-central location and with an explanation if it should even be included as it has nothing to do with the religion in Israel but rather the controlled and distorted attribution of the state. Itay Levi (talk) 12:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

In the references of the pie chart it says: "one-in-five do not believe in God". I refuse to believe that you really think that 20% do not believe in God but 99% of them are part of monotheistic religion which monotheistic by definition is: "relating to or characterized by the belief that there is only one God.". Itay Levi (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

According to the most recent in-depth survey, 33% of Anglicans do not believe in God (most of them are agnostic, the rest are doubters or atheists). But they answered "Anglican", not "none", when asked what's their religion, and are therefore classified as such. When the PEW respondents replied to the question "what is your religion?", they almost all answered "(something) Jew." The PEW researchers who made the chart we put here are more knowledgeable than you are about the sociology of religion in Israel than yourself. AddMore-III (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I understand what you are saying. In the references of the pie chart, it also says: "while secular Jews tend to say it is mainly a matter of ancestry and/or culture.". So, in my opinion, it should be noted in the data to avoid misleading people who will see that it says "Judaism" and might not know that it is not only the actual monotheistic religion which is what it is defined by everywhere. Defining someone as religious based on ancestry and/or culture is not obvious and definitely not an accepted definition to religion, the main reason it is not obvious is that you can be anti-religious yet still be considered religious based on this unaccepted criteria, especially ancestry as in here religion is not even a choice. Itay Levi (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

In fact, basing religion on ancestry and/or culture means you can convert to Islam and believe in the Quran and the prophet Muhammad yet still be considered in Judaism. Itay Levi (talk) 08:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

The citation of the Gallup poll (2015) is misleading. It should be linked to the poll itself, rather than an article in Haretz, but the article in Haretz quotes Gallup as stating that 8% self-identified as atheist. The two figures of non-religious 57% and athiest 8% should be split out, as this was the finding of the poll, irrespective of the preferences of the journalists or Wikipedia contributors. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-china-among-least-religious-nations-1.5350737 Martin Turner (talk) 14:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2021

Karaite Judaism is also accepted in Israel. Being governored by the Council of Sages which supervises weddings, funerals, conversions, etc. 2600:1011:B12D:5079:0:54:95C0:2C01 (talk) 04:18, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Not done yet. Please provide a reliable source. Zero^talk 08:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)