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Please sir not delete This Article

Please sir not delete This Article Honey Bunny Ka Jholmaal please sir this article of cartoon tv series and this is my and 100+ children's favorite show please not delete this is latest and unique article 117.197.119.196 (talk) 05:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Why have you deleted Ang Pradesh of region of Bihar. I was going to write proof of my page my region. You can search AngPradesh on YouTube . Shame on you

MeraAwaaz (talk) 07:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Restore the article Stephen Zechariah

Hi there, I have recently came across on the article Stephen Zechariah seems deleted. And I also saw that the article was created by a suspected user/banned user. But I strongly believe the person in the article is completely notable to WP:NMUSICIAN and they added the reliable sources in the reference. So, respected Liz, kindly restore the article Stephen Zechariah. ButterSand0 (talk)

 Not done as you are also a blocked editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft (game) R3

Hi, Liz. I saw that you deleted Minecraft (game) under CSD R3. It's my understanding that that was a redirect to Minecraft. Such redirects are normally allowed as {{r from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Would you mind restoring it? If you feel strongly about it, you can always take it to RfD. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 16:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done, sorry for the delay, Tamzin. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:21, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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But How?

Why you delete Category:Wikipedians who use Android 10 this is not for vandalism or disruptive behavior please explain me as soon as possible. Thank you. HEA42DAVFA (talk) 03:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion by Category:Wikipedians who use Android 10 HEA42DAVFA (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HEA42DAVFA,

Did you read the notice that was posted on your user talk page? That's the first step you should take. Empty categories are deleted unless they fit a small number of limited exceptions (category redirects, disambiguation categories, categories being discussed at CFD, etc.). This is true for all categories no matter what subject they are about. If they are deleted after being tagged for 7 days for being empty and are later needed, they can be recreated. This has nothing to do with vandalism or disruption, Wikipedia just does not stock up on empty categories that are not being used.

Please do not add pages to this category unless they are relevant. Random pages added to empty categories will be removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:01, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Question

I didn't want to take this to a noticeboard to avoid the lengthy heated debates that would probably arise, so here I am. Is the following statement appropriate for a user page? This user supports man/woman marriage as the definition needed to protect the integrity of the family, preserve the true meaning of marriage, and keep it as a child-focused institution. – ².O.^Boxing 10:32, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Squared.Circle.Boxing,

It is important to see isolated quotes in context. Can you provide a link to the page? Sometimes a user talk discussion should occur and other times a noticeboard discussion is called for. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Johnpacklambert – ².O.^Boxing 16:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hi, saw you listed as a resource per How to request Revision Deletion. Would you look at this and decide whether it should be revdel'd? ☆ Bri (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bri,

Revision deletions are often judgment calls but this seems disruptive to me so I went ahead and deleted it. Thanks for removing it and bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Empty categories

My first question is, since when has there been a "seven days" rule on deleting categories that are tagged for speedy deletion? It can't be called "speedy" if there's a "you have to leave it there for a week" rule, and has to be renamed to something else.

My second question is, then what am I supposed to do in situations like Category:Swedish expatriate sportspeople in the Faroe Islands, where the use of a "fooian fooers" template in lieu of direct category declarations is causing the autogeneration of a non-existent Category:Swedish expatriates in the Faroe Islands parent category, whose status as a redlink is in turn causing it to appear on Special:WantedCategories — but precisely because that category is being autogenerated by a template, there's no category declaration to remove, and thus it's impossible to clear it off WantedCategories by any other method besides immediate speedy deletion? The answer to that isn't, and can't be, "just leave it sitting on WantedCategories as kludge to be worked around for seven days" — if Category:Swedish expatriates in the Faroe Islands is sitting there today, then I have to do whatever is necessary to get it cleared today, and can't leave some entries on that list sitting around for seven days as "non-actionable items". Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paid Editor tags on my Talk Page from new accounts

Hi Liz. Thank you for blocking Иван8 for their vandalism of my Talk Page, I greatly appreciate it.

Another new account has done the same, so I was wondering if you would be willing to block them too please? The account is AndrewRyan214. Thanks, MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MrsSnoozyTurtle,

I gave them a temporary block and a warning. I'm sorry you've had to put up with this harassment. I can also semi-protect your talk page for a while if this persists with other accounts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! If it happens again, I will take up your kind offer of semi-protecting my Talk Page. All the best, MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz. Another one just popped up from a new account, so it would be great if my Talk Page could be semi-protected. Would you be able to do this for me please? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MrsSnoozyTurtle,

I don't know if it is the same person but I've given the page temporary semi-protection. I hope it helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Wow that was quick, thank you so much. None of the accounts so far have been autoconfirmed, so I think this will be a great help. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry to both you, but my poor Talk Page has become a target for vandals again: Special:Contributions/Andy1292111, Special:Contributions/Lev19861, Special:Contributions/Armensar81, Special:Contributions/Acushian, Special:Contributions/DroopyPoopy, Special:Contributions/Ron4554 and Special:Contributions/Kevinhodges.

Could you please consider adding the semi-protection again? Thanks, MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:13, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

just moving this old topic to the bottom, in case my new reply was missed) MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MrsSnoozyTurtle,

You shouldn't have to put up with this, I have semi-protected your user talk page for a week and filed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Armensar81 on your behalf. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all your efforts with this. I really appreciate you creating the sockpuppet investigation on my behalf. Hopefully the folks over there can find a pattern there to stop it popping up again in future. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Warren Stevelmans

Dear Liz, Thank you for support WUKF page a this is a great organization. Reza Goodary's article has credible sources approved by WP:News sources. Unfortunately, the article was not confirmed by one of the users yesterday. Please kindly help for approve. (1), (2), (3), (4). IRIB, IRNA, ILNA are in the list. Also IPNA is Iran Pro Sport News Agency (5) and BORNA News Agency (Reputable news agency affiliated with the Ministry of Sports of Iran) (6). Also It is news from official website of Ministry of Sport Iran (7) (Link open only in Iran). The Reza Goodary (رضا گودری) article already approved on The Persian Wikipedia. Sincerely. MMA Kid (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MMA Kid,

I don't review articles, that is done by the good folks at WP:AFC. I recommend you talking to the reviewer for tips or going to the Teahouse which is a resource for new editors to ask for advice or visit Articles for Creation. I'm an administrator and spend most of my time on administrative tasks, not content review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

You might also look for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts, that's a project for editors interested in martial arts. They might have some resources for creating strong articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for response and help. Sincerely. MMA Kid (talk) 03:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

WUKF

Dear Liz, The WUKF page nominated for speedy deletion again. Sincerely. MMA Kid (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MMA Kid,

It looks like WUKF is a redirect page you just created. Did you mean another page? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Yes. I mean is World Union of Karate Do Federations. Regards. MMA Kid (talk) 02:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused, this page isn't tagged for Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion or an AFD. It's had no activity since I removed the CSD tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hi Liz, I was wondering if you could please redact revision ID 1043430816 on the page Rickey Brady. What the IP editor (2600:1700:64F0:2A20:D194:2B00:6808:EA20) wrote about Brady was pure libel. It falls without a question under criteria 2-- grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material. Thanks, Helen(💬📖) 02:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HelenDegenerate,

Sorry I'm just seeing this. Looks like QEDK took care of it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:50, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Edits

Hi there! Hope you’re well. I saw your note re my article and I would love any suggestions you may have how to have it post properly as I’ve for years edited revised reposted and been denied over and over regardless of the facts and other credits on wiki that are accurate it’s really strange to me it keeps getting rejected as many other people with similar background have similar worded articles and they’ll allowed and validated even. I seem to keep attracting rejections here and unclear entirely why. Happy to make edits needed just unsure how to do more than I have repeatedly done. Thank you for any suggestions in advance and your time / attention. Wolfstarmoon (talk) 21:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Wolfstarmoon,

I assume you are talking about Draft:Tom Syrowski? I deleted the draft simply because it had gone 6 months without any edits by human editors (not bots). You can get it restored either by asking me (or any administrator) or by going to WP:REFUND.

I don't review content creation, I handle administrative tasks but I think it's unusual for a recording engineer to have an article on Wikipedia unless they are particularly notable. You can receive some editing help at a number of pages including Articles for Creation, WikiProject Music or, especially, the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

My ip is a VPN

The ip that i'm editing from right now is a proxy ip, can you block it?

Hello, User:1.53.126.126,

You are asking me to block your account? From what I can see, you are not a proxy account but maybe one of my lovely talk page stalkers can check this claim out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Here's proof: https://www.vpngate.net/en/ (you can see that the ip on the page). Also here: https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-ip-lookup-proxy-vpn-test/lookup/1.53.126.126

Hello, Enwiki~enwiki,

Okay, thanks for the link, I've never seen that website before. And I've never had an editor come to my talk page, asking to be blocked. And I've never made a block on a proxy IP so I'm not sure of the appropriate block length but I gave them a week. If any admins visiting this page think this is a sinfully short period of time, please correct the duration of the block. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

A pie for a good admin

Andrybak has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Being an admin can be tiring and tedious. Put the mop away for a while and have a pie. Thank you for contributions to the project! —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

—⁠andrybak (talk) 10:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank you, andrybak, that's very kind of you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Quitento

Hello there. You have deleted the article Quitento, which was prod-ed. However, I contested such proposed deletion by providing sources in the talk page. Granted, I should have added those to the article, but it's clear it complies with the general notability guideline. Please restore it. Kind regards. Bedivere (talk) 14:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bedivere,

I'm used to editors simply removing the PROD tag if they disagree with the proposed deletion. It has been restored upon your request. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Liz. No worries! I'm just accustomed to the Spanish Wikipedia procedures in these cases. Proposed deletions are discussed on talk pages and these tags can only be removed by admins or the user who tagged the article. Anyway, good to know. And thanks for restoring it as requested. Kind regards. Bedivere (talk) 04:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, on the English Wikipedia, editors can remove speedy deletion tags and PROD tags but they are asked to provide a reason and improve the article if they do so. The restrictions that exist here is that editors can not remove speedy deletion tags from pages they have created and no one should remove an Articles for Deletion tag until the discussion has concluded. Now that I write this all out though, I can see why this system is confusing to newer editors, especially if the procedures are different on their home Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Katharine Towne

Hi Liz, I am not sure reverting to an earlier version is the best thing. The last submitter did add some additional sources (they were not formal citations but nonetheless something). In addition, it removes my decline and comments providing my reasoning for the decline along with some guidance. Granted, I am new to AfC so could be completely wrong. S0091 (talk) 23:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,

I'm not sure what to do, I haven't run into this before. Everything that I reverted to was in the page history that had been restored. I re-added your AFC decline to the current version.

Maybe Anachronist can assist...should I revert my reversion? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I left a comment there. I think the version you restored has better content and formatting than the original submission, but the original submission had better sources (while the one you restored has none). I merged the contents of both versions, so now the sources are back as external links. If they were incorporated into the article as inline citations (which is the responsibility of the submitter to make that effort, not me), we may have something worth publishing in main space. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks to both of you. S0091 (talk) 00:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your merging magic, Anachronist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

There was no magic, just manual effort. The submitter has some work to do, particularly learning how to cite sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		Thank you for clearing out the promo and hoaxes I've found at Category:Stale userspace drafts. Your help is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, MrLinkinPark333, but as far as I'm concerned, you did the heavy lifting, going through those old drafts. That's unseen and thankless work that is heroic to me. It's kind of like wandering into uncharted territory. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Sami Jasim Muhammad al-Jaburi

Hello can you please see if this article which was proposed for deletion actually meets the criteria for deletion. Please see my message. 197.52.65.201 (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 197.52.65.201,

Proposed deletion is for uncontroversial deletion. If you disagree with the nomination, then you can remove the PROD tag from the article. In my experience, a good proportion of articles that have been de-PRODded are then nominated for deletion at Articles for Deletion. That action prompts a deletion discussion where you could make an argument for whether you believe the article should be kept or deleted. Right now, it only has an PROD tag which can be challenged by any editor. If you do remove the PROD tag, please respond to the deletion rationale in your edit summary. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Liz, so can I remove the PROD tag without making the User who nominated it for deletion keep nominating it for deletion again and again, because I was just reading the reason for nominating it for deletion and I said that It was a bad reason because Rewards for Justice and the FBI are reliable sources and It has other refs not only Rewards for Justice and the FBI. So then the User who nominated for deletion should also see the article Abu Muhammad al-Shimali which all of its refs are based on Rewards for Justice and FBI. 197.52.65.201 (talk) 01:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If a prod is removed, it can't be added back. However, there is an expectation that if you remove the prod, you will improve the article in a way that addresses the concerns. Once the prod is removed, if the next step is to start a discussion at WP:AFD if someone still believes the article should be deleted. I have removed the prod tag, with my reasoning in the edit summary. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Listen to Anachronist, 197.52.65.201. At this point, you can not stop an editor for nominating a page for deletion, but you can work improving the article so that other editors agree with you that it should be kept. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Albemarle County

Would you mind explaining why you deleted this page? It doesn't seem to be standard practice to delete WikiProjects, especially speedily without any discussion, and your deletion left several traces behind, including hundreds of articles still tagged as belonging to the project. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pppery,

Oh, my God, I have no idea what happened here. Thank you for bringing it to my attention so I could restore the page. There is no reason to delete a WikiProject main & talk page unless it is a result of a WP:MFD discussion and the general opinion there is to prefer to turn inactive and defunct WikiProject pages into redirects to active ones. I do know that UnitedStatesian and I have been cleaning up empty categories that were never used for article assessments but those are categories not main WikiProject pages. I'll go through my Deletion log for the past few weeks and make sure that this mistake didn't happen twice. I am very thankful that you came to my talk page and allowed me to rectify my mistake. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I encountered this myself, somewhat ironically, when doing a similar bit of maintenance (cleaning up "WikiProject X <members/participants> categories" for defunct/nonexistent projects). Also remember to restore any redirects and subpages you deleted, which appears to include Wikipedia:WikiProject Albemarle County/Articles, Wikipedia:ALVA, Wikipedia:Albemarle, and Wikipedia:ALBVA, and their talk pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I went back to August in my Deletion log and I just found those redirects to Wikipedia:WikiProject Albemarle County, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albemarle County/Left and Wikipedia:WikiProject Albemarle County/Articles which I have restored, all of the rest were empty assessment categories from inactive and defunct WikiProjects which is what we were focusing on. I don't know how this random Virginia County WikiProject got in the mix. Strange but I found Wikipedia talk:ALVA had been tagged for speedy deletion but none of the others were. The rest is all on me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Tiffany Houghton

Thank you for restoring this page. Is there a tag or chit or something I should attach to the page to indicate that it is beyond the reach of a G4 speedy? Chubbles (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Chubbles,

I don't know of an appropriate tag but there are hundreds of templates and tags on Wikipedia. I posted a comment on Missvain's talk page so she might know or you can ask at the Teahouse, I've almost always been able to get an answer there. Sorry. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Zoca

Don't fret, this wasn't a draft but an article an admin decided wasn't good enough. Spoiled the whole clogs ecosystem but I cleaned up after whoever it was. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Martin,

If you want to continue to work on Draft:Zocca (shoe) just let me know or you can ask at WP:REFUND. Drafts deleted due to inactivity can be restored today, tomorrow or next year if you find some better sources. One of the few kinds of page deletions on Wikipedia that is easy to reverse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

No, as I mentioned another editor had put a bit about zocas onto the main page instead of its own page as is done for all the different types of clogs. I moved the information off to restore the clogs page and I was sat on by an admin so just cleaned it all up. That's why my name was on the stub. As I said, don't fret about it, admin action had condemned it 6 months ago. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Faster than Thunder

Hi Liz. Would you mind taking a look at this? Perhaps there's no real harm since there's no RFA for this user, but it might be seen as misleading. In addition, based on these, this might be a WP:YOUNG editor who might mean well, but might not realize things like WP:REALWORLD; at the same time though, it also kind of seems like this isn't a completely new editor based on some of the technical things they've been trying to do so far. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1077#User:Faster than Thunder and WP:CIR for more on that possibility. Maybe the ANI thread should be re-opened to see if it can be more formally resolved? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Marchjuly,

I posted a message on their talk page. They've only been editing for two weeks, for me, it's too soon to issue a block for competency when it's actually inexperience. I read that ANI thread and there was some question about socking and that's more of a concern to me...if they start being disruptive, I suggest contacting a Checkuser. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Liz. I think you message is probably fine for now. FWIW, I first came across the account because of this edit, which seemed to a bit too BOLD for a major policy page. I only saw the ANI discussion after I first posted here. It seems that there are probably a number of others (including admins) already watching the account; so, perhaps someone will indeed step in if things start getting too disruptive. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Headcount Index by Parish in Antigua and Barbuda

Hi, you removed my CSD tag. The text and table for Headcount Index by Parish in Antigua and Barbuda are fully copied from here on page 25. Citing (talk) 02:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Citing,

As I said in my edit summary, if you looked at the source, it says it was published in 2007 and the chart on the article says the data from 2011. That is why I PROD'd the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Right, but I had tagged it for speedy deletion as an unambiguous copyright infringement -- the text is almost a word-for-word copy of its source. I'm not sure why Earwig is showing it at 0% because it should be closer to 100%.Citing (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Notice

You've got mail. - wolf 20:58, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thewolfchild,

I don't see an email message. I don't check it very often but I did tonight and I don't see anything from you. Did you use the link on the left or an email address you have? Did you send it today or a few days ago? Let me know and I'll investigate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes and "b". I'll just resend. - wolf 14:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Still nuthin'...? - wolf 04:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I forgot, I'll check right now. My apologies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Thewolfchild, I've responded. Sorry for the delay. Nice to hear from you! Let me know if you don't get my response. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Do not interfere or I will.

I do not need your mindfulness diatribe. I will not assume good faith, as you have attempted to intervene in a scenario in which your elderly assistance is clearly unneeded. I have put three tags, as they are necessary. Your asinine contribution has done nothing and thus, it is highly advisable you retract your choice and do not engage with me on this platform anymore. If you continue, I will seek higher authority in legislative manners. Not a threat, it is a promise. Gongfong2021 (talk) 23:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Gongfong2021,

First, I have no idea what you are talking about. Is this about an article? A talk page comment? I make hundreds of edits a day I have no clue what this is about.

And second, if you continue like this, insulting people at random, you will find yourself blocked. We believe in civility at Wikipedia. That's not a threat or a promise, it's a fact. I've seen plenty of people like you and they don't last very long here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Wait, is this regarding Chemmalai Maha Vidyalayam? If so, then you must be User:JohnDVandevert. Why are you signing messages Gongfong2021 instead of a regular editor signature? That's why I didn't recognize your name. That is deceptive...you should use your current username so people know who you are. And sorry for "engaging with you on this platform" but I usually respond to messages on my talk page. Especially the crazier ones. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Now that I've gone through your edit history, John, I've found 5 or 6 other editors you have ordered to "not have contact with me!" including Ponyo and Cabayi, two other administrators, so I'm in good company (wait a second, I tripped over my walker, I'm such an old geezer). I do not think you will make a good Teahouse host with that attitude (nice photo though). And someone thought you were a sockpuppet of John from Idegon who was a good editor but who shared your surly attitude.

Well, this was one of the more peculiar introductions to new editors I've had but back to the actual work of cleaning up this project....I look forward to hearing from "higher authority in legislative manners", it will be interesting to find out who the hell that is. Bye. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I just saw this

I presume in the short while Ashleyyoursmile was here you both had mutual respect for each other and I’m pretty sure her exit subconsciously upset you. I’m not sure how I missed it, perhaps at the same time frame when I had sustained a knee injury. Coming from BN I saw your input and i can tell this hit you hard. Hopefully she’d be back. Celestina007 (talk) 23:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007,

Welcome back to my talk page. Unfortunately, lately we have only interacted at ANI which is a place I try and stay away from these days. I spent my early days hanging out at ANI, trying to mediate conflict, but now I like to stick to the work.

I'm not sure I'm "upset", emotionally, I just think it's tragic. Ashleyyoursmile was like you, a workaholic, and I cleaned up a lot of pages from vandals she reported. She was tireless. And, unfortunately, at least one of those people came back to the project and made it their mission to malign and insult her very personally and graphically. We had to do a lot of revision deletion. And this was before she became an admin so there might have been more after her RfA that she quietly cleaned up herself without mentioning it. I don't know if this is why she left but, if it happened to me (and it was much worse than the message above this one), I would have had second thoughts about being here. And having her departure come after she had weathered an RfA, which, for me was a very unpleasant experience, it must have been serious. Editors usually don't come back after a vanishing and I think someone as active as she was would just have to cut their ties. It reminds me of an outstanding Indian editor we had who had to vanish after he was personally threatened in his off-wiki life. It is so unfair and it seems to happen to the best people, editors who stand up for Wikipedia pillars.

But we really don't know why she left and I expect we never will. But I hope WMF & Wikipedia finds better ways to protect their editors who come under fire. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:06, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what the circumstances are but I was sad and disappointed when I learned that she had retired. Really too bad. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

It really is awful, I respect her decision all the same. I really was routing for her to become a celebrated sysop just like you. If what was intended to be a hobby that brings you happiness is doing the inverse of that, then dropping it is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

"Celebrated"? LOL, there are those who would disagree with your evaluation. I keep busy but I just hope to be in the top 50% of admins, better than average. I could have benefited from your support at my RfA which was a squeaker! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Anyone who doesn’t appreciate you, clearly do not know about your works at G13's, you carry about 90% of the workload there and this is not even an exaggeration. But yeah! I get your drift. Celestina007 (talk) 01:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Pist Idiots

Hi Liz, I saw you deleted an article on Pist Idiots back in August and dare I say accurately. I am Australian and listen to a lot of music and have never heard of them. They released a debut studio album this week, and according to ARIA, it's on track to debut inside the ARIA top 50 albums this Friday. https://www.aria.com.au/charts/news/amyl-and-the-sniffers-steps-pist-idiots-aiming-for-top-tens-on-this-weeks-aria-charts

As such, I went to create a stub article in preparation and saw it had been deleted by yourself. Are you able to un-delete or send what was done, I can do some research, add some content and make it notable for Friday, assuming their album does debut inside the top 50. Thanks Tobyjamesaus (talk) 04:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tobyjamesaus,

I checked and it was a completely blank pages. Nothing there. So, I can say with 100% confidence that your version will be an improvement! I generally advise folks to start in Draft space and submit it to Articles for Creation for review...you have a greater chance of it surviving editors who patrol new pages if you get a review from the AFC folks. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

LOL - a blank page??? Oh Lordy... Ok thanks. Yeah, well, I planned on working on it for a bit first. I've created quite a lot of pages, so I am fairly familiar with what makes something notable :). Thank you though. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 05:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC).

Abdulrahman Akkad

Hi user:Liz, how are you , I think this article is promotional Article ,can you look into it, and if you want delete it and delete the promotional links Social Media stay safe --Hasan AB123 (talk) 05:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

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Batch deletions

Liz

Thank you for your entirely reasonable comment on my talk page. I have only one comment to make.

Oops! ----Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 11:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Anthony,

And thank you for your very reasonable response! I've made the same mistake...and other admins, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the page Rise Up Dubai

I saw that you put the Speedy deletion nomination in that page, which is entirely necessary and you did that. But the page author/creator is removing or playing with the tamplet by renaming it. I just re placed the speedy deletion nomination tamplet but he will do that again. So please do something, otherwise he will not Stop doing disruptive editing Jogesh 69 (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jogesh 69,

Thanks for the alert. I'll check on the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Luca Stricagnoli

@Liz: Hi liz , i hope you are keeping well, you helped delete an old draft of mine last year, i worked on a very simple short new version a few months ago that one of the other editors that previously rejected it said was better, it was then rejected for a few reasons, so the newest editor gave some pointers for more context and citation. I was working on that while not to make it like a resume, i was nearly ready to put up the new draft for review when it was deleted without notice, that editor was a bit rude and i didnt find it on the deleted log and dont know how to get it back, I am always willing to work on things but i thought this was a little harsh can anything be done?. thanks for listening Mickmonaghan343 (talk) 11:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mickmonaghan343,

You're going to have some problems here. Draft:Luca Stricagnoli was deleted as being promotional and another version was previously deleted in a deletion discussion in 2020. I think your best bet, if you don't want to start from scratch, is to ask the deleting administrator, Bbb23, to "userfy" it, that is restore it and put it in your User space, like your Sandbox where you can work on improving it.

Alternatively, you could file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review, arguing that it shouldn't have been deleted but I'd recommend contacting the deleting administrator directly and making an appeal to them. Don't argue with them, I'd say that you are aware of the problems that existed with the draft and you have some ideas on how to fix them (which is honestly what you just told me). It never helps to be polite...administrators' goal is not to make your life difficult but to remove content that they believe is unacceptable from the project. If you have ways to fix the problems they saw, mention that. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks for your message and advice, i asked to userfy it but im not to hopeful as i got a bad vibe about this editors attitude compared to everyone else who have been very helpful.Below is what was said and no reply since.

Hi Bbb23 I was in the middle of editing my page and you deleted it, I have been working on this a long time and was following guidance from another mod on how to fix it and get it approved.The last mod told me to find more citation and that does make it a little one sided but he rejected the unbiased original one for lack of context , can you reinstate it please and i would appreciate your adviceMickmonaghan343 (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC) .

My advice is to do something else on Wikipedia besides promote Stricagnoli. The only thing you've been doing for the last three years is work on that draft, and all you've achieved is an advertisement.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Mickmonaghan343 (talk) 11:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Zakarid Armenia

Hello, I require your help at Zakarid Armenia because there is a person who reverted my Afd for the third time already. SonofJacob (talk) 09:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Salts and ACPERM

Hi, Liz. Thanks for deleting Ziaul Hoque Polash. I noticed that after deleting it, you salted it too. However, when you salted it, you protected it against creation by non-confirmed editors (I think I've seen you do that before). Given WP:ACPERM forbids non-autoconfirmed editors from creating pages in the mainspace anyways, I think you meant to put it under extended-confirmed protection. Sdrqaz (talk) 10:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sdrqaz,

You are correct. Thanks for noticing and brining it to my attention. I'll fix that right now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:19, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Stephen Borthwick

Hello, Liz. Just wondering, did you notice that I had disputed the speedy deletion tag for Stephen Borthwick (schoolmaster) on the Talk page? Moonraker (talk) 17:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Moonraker,

Just a cursory look at the old version, prior to the first deletion, and the last version of this page, but the references look similar to me. The AFD was just closed in January 2021 so it was not that long ago. But taking into account your years of experience, I will restore all edits and move it into Draft or User space (I'd recommend User space) for you if you wish.

Since you have autopatrolled status, this might sound silly but the only way I know to get around a recent AFD deletion decision is to have an AFC review and approval. Otherwise, if you move it back into main space, even with improvements, it will probably just be tagged again for deletion (and it might be tagged in Draft space which is why I recommend moving it to a User page). Let me know what you think. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, helpful reply. Well, yes, the references are mostly the same, and they are good ones. I have a saved version in user space. You may see my point that one AfD decision (a bad one in this case, in my humble opinion) can’t be for all time. Perhaps an AFC review is the way forward, but on the other hand is there an AfD review, and is there any time limit? Moonraker (talk) 21:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive editing by User:Pitzzaboy. Thank you. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 21:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Tartan357. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

A kitten for you ! :D

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Thanks, The furret lover. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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Request for Extension of Full Protection for the Kisii people Article.

Hey Liz,

Thank you for protecting the Kisii people article which was being vandalized through blanking and deletion of content. However, I'm requesting you to extend the full protection of the page to 6 months or indefinitely because the article seems prone to vandalism. I'm sure once the current page protection is removed, there are still going to be more attempts to vandalize the article. I believe long term protection of the page will be very beneficial in preventing future vandalism. I will appreciate your extension of full protection for this page. Thank you! Nyanza Cushitic (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nyanza Cushitic,

The standard approach to protection is to have the duration and level of protection the minimum possible to avoid disruption, especially for full protection which doesn't allow any editors to edit the page except administrators who are not supposed to use their status to change content in content disputes.

I would feel more comfortable if you posted your request to extend the protection to such a long duration at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for increase in protection level. Administrators who patrol that noticeboard have a better feel for what an appropriate level of protection would be and for the length of the protection. Until that decision is made, I'll make sure that the article is not the site of an edit-war. But admins kind of specialize in these tasks and I'd rather have an admin experienced in this to make such a big decision, especially since I imagine that full protection for six months would be a decision that would be appealed. I don't think I've run into full protection of an article for such a long period of time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Liz, thank you for your suggestion. Can you please block Wojak6 from editing this article? His edits are very destructive and vandalizes articles. His vandalism actions on the Kisii people article were very unacceptable and destructive to the article. This editor has done serious damage to many articles and needs to be blocked indefinitely to stop vandalizing articles. Nyanza Cushitic (talk) 23:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Nyanza Cushitic, are you discussing your differences on the article talk page? Could you invite other editors to participate in the discussion? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

About deletion of "Draft:Shorash Baker"

Hello Liz,

I've read your comment about the deletion, I want to address to you the subject personally. we are "Kurds", we are already being suppressed by the dictatorships, if you do a simple google search about "Afrin City" you will see the pictures of bombing and destruction. The Turkish media and it's huge online army is trying with all its resources to eliminate our presence on land and online... therefore, I was not able to gather enough "satisfying Media links, resources" for this article, because they make sure that our culture, artists, names, etc.. get played-off.

However, the artists I tried to make an article about, "shorash baker", if you do also a simple google search about his name, you will find his official record label, Spotify verified artist profile, verified artist YouTube channel, etc.. Please consider this subject, and the circumstances about this small occupied city, at least to have its people's and culture online.

Thank you.

Hello, Xelilof,

This draft was deleted because it hadn't been edited in 6 months, not for any political reasons. With no activity after 6 months, drafts are considered to be "abandoned" and are deleted. If you want to continue to work on it, I can restore it for you or you can make a request at WP:REFUND. I didn't make any judgments about the notability of this person, that is done by reviewers at Articles for Creation. You should discuss their review with them.

When you make a talk page post, please sign it with 4 tildes (~~~~) so that it includes your username, a link to your talk page and the time & date of your message. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

About deletion of "Jashmir"

The article "Jashmir" was removed for copyright infringement after it was run through a plagiarism scanner. The page on the website that was supposedly plagiarized was created after the Wikipedia article, not vice versa! Whoever wrote the article on that website simply copy pasted the Wikipedia entry.

Please review the deletion. Thank you! Moonswimmer Mooonswimmer 16:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mooonswimmer,

You were absolutely correct here. When I looked into this case, it was very strange, Enverceylan, a new editor, asked another editor to tag it for a copyright violation (he asked several editors to do this for him), and after you reverted this tagging, another brand new editor reverted you. Have you had contact with Enverceylan? He tried writing an article about himself at Enver Ceylan but I can't see why he was so insistent about this article being deleted.

I'm sorry for not being more thorough when I checked this article. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Have a good day

Hi,Mrs Liz.I just saw your sentence I wish we had more editors with knowledge of that country to evaluate the notability of Azerbaijani athletes and the quality of the sources used.If you need any help with this, I'll be happy to help.As a sports journalist in a famous news agency in Azerbaijan, I have some knowledge about these issues. Good day again. MuradAli2000

About deletion of Anup Shukla(More Than 10 Years Old Page)

--AnupShukla (talk) 12:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC) hi Liz On September 22, 2001 I suddenly came to know that my page which is more than 10 years old has been deleted,I don't understand why and how this happened,I think this page got deleted due to some misunderstanding,I would like to tell you that this page was not created by me,I have done many international projects,Any updates that have been made are done by the same people who were involved in some way in the international project,I feel very unfortunate that such an old page has been deleted in such a way, I feel as if injustice is being done to me,So I request you to restore my deleted page I will be very grateful to you. my page link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anup_Shukla IMDB -https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3754623/

About Deletion of Shakir Subhan

Hello, Article about a youtube vlogger Shakir Subhan has been deleted by you, a day ago. The reason you said was recreation of already deleted page. So my reply to you is, article firstly created by someone who wrote in a bad way, that why it got deleted by other user. But later, i created it most perfectly with additional references over 27 News think so. Still it got deleted by you with reason "Recreation". I was created the article as Shakir Subhan (Mallu Traveler), but someone renamed it to Shakir Subhan. Whether its recreation or not, the article i provided was perfectly Written about a well Notable youtuber person. I request you to recheck again & bring back the same article to wikipedia. Otherwise i need to be suggest same article to other extended confirmed users to bring back it... So thanks for your time to read it & hope your reply Xavier 500.30.10 (talk) 16:03, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Draft talk:Susovan Sonu Roy

Hi Liz, I'm pretty confused here. They're obviously a sock of [1] and [2]. This thing quacks like crazy. Waggie (talk) 06:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Waggie,

I don't see what you are seeing but I'm not familiar with every sockpuppet and every article. I suggest bringing this to the attention of one of the admins who has blocked the sockpuppets as they will be familiar with their habits. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I figured a quick look at the history of the deleted article and talk page history would have made it clear (I can't link to them for obvious reasons. It's OK, though. Although, maybe leave it for a different admin if you're not familiar? That said, it's your tools and your prerogative. Please have a good day/night! Waggie (talk) 06:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Namchak Tsasum Lingpa (September 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

• Draft:Namchak Tsasum Lingpa may be deleted at any time unless the copied text is removed. Copyrighted work cannot be allowed to remain on Wikipedia.
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Bkissin (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry Liz! It was coming up as 88% on Earwig. Bkissin (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

It's no problem, Bkissin, I look at hundreds of CSD G13 drafts every day and if one looks especially promising, I'll submit it to AfC for review. I didn't stop and analyze the content. Sorry to take up some of your time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you can answer a question for me, Bkissin, it seems like notices like this should be directed at the page creator, not the individual who places a submission tag on a page. I've also been congratulated for successful drafts that I didn't write, I just put an AfC submit tag on the page. I always thought that the page creator should get a notice like that, not me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:37, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

No worries, I used to do the same thing around the G13 drafts! Unfortunately Liz the same thing happens to me. I think it's an issue with the Helper Script. I'll bring it up on the AfC talk page and see what people know about it. Bkissin (talk) 00:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Template:Star Wars drafts

Hi Liz. You deleted this under G5 because of the user who created it was violating a block or ban. Even though that was the case, I believe I had made some edits to it and was one of the editors maintain it etc. Can this be recovered? Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Favre1fan93,

I thought the primary contributions were from the sockpuppet but I'll track it down and look at it again. Other editors can have made some edits to a page and it can still be deleted, for me, it's whether the sockpuppet was the primary editor in terms of content added to the page. It's a rather subjective opinion by the admin looking over the page, I've seen some admins delete pages where the sockpuppet only created the page and then made no further edits to the page but I look at whether they were the primary content contributor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Thank you. If I personally recall, I do believe the sockpuppet did create the bulk of the edits, and my contributions could have been minor afterwards. If you can't restore it for the reasons you stated, is there a way at least that the wikicode for the table could be copied, even into a personal sandbox of mine, so I could restore the template properly? I do find it a useful template, and I could start from scratch, but I know I might miss some elements that were in the previous version if I did. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:07, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi again @Liz:. Just wanted to follow up on the possibility to restore this template or at least salvage the coding? I have since realized/remembered that the template helped autocategorize articles into Category:Star Wars drafts and now that cat has essentially been emptied as a result of this template being deleted. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:32, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Something.

I just noticed that some of WoW's old contributions are now back in the contributions log. Is this a mistake or did an admin intentionally do this? 69.117.241.47 (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Direct link btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Willy_on_wheels~enwiki 69.117.241.47 (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Disregard, just realized this was a different person. 69.117.241.47 (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I was looking at both accounts and couldn't understand what was going on...but slightly different usernames. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Levi Sharan

Hi Liz. Thanks for your tireless efforts working on WP.

You removed the {{db-afc}} tag at Draft:Levi Sharan because "it's not been six months since the last human edit. For today, that would be March 28, 2021". The last edit (prior to my tagging) was May 9, and this was not a meaningful/real page edit, but merely a page move to correct capitalisation. The last real edit on this page was December 29, 2020. It would certainly qualify for CSD#G13. Thanks. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, P199,

One other admin and I review anywhere from 200 to 300 expiring drafts each and every day of the week and we don't make distinctions between "meaningful" edits and those that are just cosmetic. We just see when the last edit by a human editor was done. The quality of an edit is a subjective judgment that would vary too much among administrators. We just go by the calendar and discount edits by bots. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:42, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your incredible hard work, but in this case you may need to show some leeway, especially since you are suggesting that the next time this draft may come up for deletion is March 28, 2022! And only because requesting deletion was a human action by me! That is utterly defeating the purpose of this process... Thanks again. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Your inaction sacrifices proper application of WP policy for expediency. This is not right... Please take appropriate action. Thanks. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 20:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, P199,

I don't understand the urgency you are feeling about the deletion of this draft. Is there a problem with this specific draft or is this your opinion about stale drafts in general? If you have problems with Draft:Levi Sharan, you need to let me know what they are or you can consider another criteria for speedy deletion that might fit. If you want to challenge Wikipedia policies and how they are practiced, you should start a discussion and present your argument at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion and see if it resonates with other editors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Benahficial Creed

How you are doing, I, Benahficial Creed in the flesh, well, in the pixel. Lol. I, Benahficial, as know as #ItsCreed, would love some help with my wiki page, please. Benahficial (talk) 19:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Benahficial,

I recommend visiting the Teahouse for help, there are very experienced and friendly editors there who can answer any questions you have. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I did a lil bit can u give me your thoughts? Benahficial (talk) 22:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I moved your draft to User:Benahficial/Sandbox as it shouldn't be on your main User page. You have no sources, you need to have substantial coverage in newspapers, magazines, books, mainstream websites (and social media doesn't count) in order to be judged to be notable. You have to have a notable career to have an article on Wikipedia. If no one has written about you, it's too soon for you to have an article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Restore talk page of premature deletion

Hello! I noticed that you accidentally deleted the page University (film) before the PROD expired and you also ended up deleting the talk page as well. Could you restore the talk page as well? (not sure if there's anything that was of note on it before it got deleted) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze The Wolf,

•  Done Yes, that was my mistake. There is a list we use, User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary, and typically, those PRODs listed at the top are the ones coming due in the next hour or two. I thought those listed at the top were for today, 9/22 but they are for tomorrow, 9/23. I've never seen such a gap in time before in the listings. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

That's very interesting. Wonder if you somehow got through all the PRODs for today. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:14, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks, not sure how I earned this but it's always nice to get some appreciation. Happy editing! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Lmao, perhaps because you are internet famous & a Wiki celebrity? Celestina007 (talk) 22:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

September 2021 Guild of Copy Editors newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2021.                  Current and upcoming events September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today! Drive and Blitz reports June Blitz: From 20 to 26 June, 6 participating editors claimed 16 copy edits, focusing on requests and articles tagged in March and April. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. July Drive: Almost 575,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 24 people who signed up, 18 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. August Blitz: From 15 to 21 August, we copy edited articles tagged in April and May 2021 and requests. 9 participating editors completed 17 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. New maintenance template added to our project scope: After a short discussion in June, we added {{cleanup tense}} to the list of maintenance templates that adds articles to the Guild's copy editing backlog categories. This change added 198 articles, spread over 97 months of backlog, to our queue. We processed all of those articles except for those from the three or four most recent months during the July backlog elimination drive (Here's a link to a "tense" discussion during the drive). Progress report: As of 18:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 468 requests since 1 January and there were 60 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Aj Raval Article

Hello, I noticed that you deleted the AJ Raval article because it was created by a user who was banned/blocked.

Leaving aside the blocked user for a moment, that article had an extensive deletion discussion which resulted in no consensus and ultimately resulted in the article not being deleted. I am confident that the subject is notable (and there have been some articles/references that have come out since that discussion which further buttresses their notability).

Therefore, I would like to request that you restore the article. Alternatively, I can recreate the article, though I am unsure how to retrieve the previous version. Thank you. Koikefan (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

G5

I have undeleted Draft:Istana Gedung Dalom 2, Draft:Islam in Lampung (2), Draft:Islam in Lampung, and Draft:Gong Gajah Mekhu, which you deleted as WP:CSD#G5. While they were created by sockpuppets of Dedy Tisna Amijaya, G5 requires pages to have been created in violation of the sockmaster's block or ban. This was not the case, as the master and their puppets were simultaneously blocked on September 29 per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dedy Tisna Amijaya/Archive#29 September 2021. G5 can not be applied before that date. This was also explained to the IP who tagged these pages as well. ✗plicit 03:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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Ibiza

Hello, Liz. Can you check my first stub-article User:Владлен Манилов/Ibiza (Philipp Kirkorov and Nikolay Baskov song)? I think it fits the criteria WP:NSINGLE. The song reached a place in the national charts. Kiselyov wrote about the music video. I want you to check my English in the article and correct it if there are any mistakes. Can this exist as a stub in the mainspace? Thanks. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 05:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Article for Deletion Daura, Nigeria

The Article Daura already exist and I unknowingly created another Daura, Nigeria. Therefore you can go on with the deletion. Thank you Uncle Bash007 (talk) 08:11, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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Boyz (Jesy Nelson song)

There are two versions of this article, one of which is spelled Draft:BOYZ (Jesy Nelson song). There has been vandalism; I have tried to revert some of it. The two versions should probably be merged. I think that the proper place is in draft space, because the song is not yet released. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Greg26 93 and "Back TO Christ" promotions

Thanks for dealing with those. There's one more at Draft:Back To Christ but I didn't know if it could be speedied. Meters (talk) 06:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Meters,

Yes, I saw that page. You know, admins differ in their judgments of pages and, for me, although that draft will never be an article, it doesn't have any unacceptable content on it that would warrant a speedy deletion. I'm not sure what CSD tag would even be appropriate.

Yesterday, I had to restore a lot of just crappy articles & drafts that I deleted because I misread an SPI report. I couldn't make any sense of the writing, it seemed like nonsense to me, it wasn't coherent in any way. But it didn't violate any of our guidelines as long as it wasn't in main space. I think I might tag some of the pages for MFD but the bottom line is that we see a lot of content that is junk or misplaced and, in many cases, we wait for CSD G13 to kick in to delete it because there isn't a CSD criteria for just bad writing. We don't even delete drafts that are not written in English. So, we live with the criteria that we can use.

Of course, you could tag that page and another admin might find grounds to delete it. But I didn't see any CSD criteria that fit, in my judgment. Thanks so much for paying attention, especially on a weekend. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I thought about the criteria, too. Meters (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Mexico City Grand Prix

Hello Liz. I'm a little confused by some recent actions of yours relating to the Mexico City Grand Prix. See my comments at Talk:2021 Formula One World Championship#Piped links and also User talk:Island92#Mexico City Grand Prix. Are my assumptions about what it will take to fix the problem wrong? --DB1729 (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DB1729,

I am not following you or the conversation you linked to about piped links. There was a CSD request to move an article to Mexico City Grand Prix (badminton) which I did. It seemed straight-forward to me. Are you saying that this was a contentious move request? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I assumed it was going to have go through RM because of this requested move in February. Also all you have really done is swap the article with the redirect. We need Mexico City Grand Prix to point to the F1 race Mexican Grand Prix. Ultimately I think the F1 race will be titled Mexico City Grand Prix if/when primary is established. --DB1729 (talk) 04:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll ping Tvx1 who tagged the redirect and requested the page move and see what they have to say. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I believe most of those involved are among our friends across the Atlantic. They may be waking up soon. --DB1729 (talk) 04:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Just for reference, in case you missed it because it was sort of buried; here is my relevant comment from one of the talk pages I linked:

We cannot currently link to Mexico City Grand Prix because a) it's not a redirect, it's an article, and b) it's...badminton. We can't, that is, until after we get that article moved to the current redirect Mexico City Grand Prix (badminton). To do that, that redirect and its content will have to be deleted and its edit histories merged to make way for the move. Also there was a requested move in February to move the badminton article there in the first place, so all this will need to go through another WP:RM process. Then, after all that, we can have a redirect named Mexico City Grand Prix that points to the Formula One race.

Keep in mind several facts are now untrue after your page move. Also pinging User:SSSB while I'm at it. DB1729 (talk) 05:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Final note for now. Maybe I don't understand how edit histories work with moves, and I hope I'm not the bringing bad news, but here is the edit history of the current redirect at Mexico City Grand Prix. It contains only your page move. There was an article about badminton with that title, so is that edit history now moved to here at Mexico City Grand Prix (badminton)? If so, what happened to the edit history of the redirect that existed at Mexico City Grand Prix (badminton) before your move? DB1729 (talk) 05:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

The edit history of that redirect was deleted, I assume. The edit history of the article on the badminton tournament was moved to the disambiguated tile along with the article itself. The only thing that was left to do to make Mexico City Grand Prix correctly redirect to Mexican Grand Prix, was to simply change the target of that redirect. I will do some further cleanup shortly.Tvx1 06:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I did notice though that the article’s talk page wasn’t moved along. I tagged that one as well.Tvx1 07:05, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I've been pinged so I'll comment: Googling "Mexico City Grand Prix" gives the majority of sources about Formula One (I went through 5 pages of results and got nothing else), so I don't see why a WP:BOLD move is an issue. SSSB (talk) 08:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your input. I'm fine now with everything so far, assuming everything's good on Liz's end of this. I believe I made several incorrect assumptions about something I obviously don't know a great deal about. I intend to step aside from this issue now. Sorry for the (my) confusion. DB1729 (talk) 16:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Nano-oligosaccharide factor (NOSF)

It's a patented product. The one ref is to a COI paper written by a company employee as last author, and the only other link in the article is to the firm's website. Sorry if that wasn't clear, but it's 100% advertising for the product. Jclemens (talk) 06:14, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I took it to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Nano-oligosaccharide factor (NOSF). No action needed on your part. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 06:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

4 October 2021

Ma'am I am wandering like a lost soul for the past two weeks everywhere just for the sake of one article Zindagi Mere Ghar Aana, begging and approaching so many people just for help. Honestly I'm in a state of literally crying. Finally, I reached here because I have heard that you are one of the chief admins in Wikipedia. Ma'am I have been editing indian WP:TVSHOW articles of Wikipedia since the last two years and I have seen and gathered knowledge of what all are the minimum and maximum requirements for a WP:TVSHOW. I firmly believe that the show Zindagi Mere Ghar Aana does have everything that a good WP:TVSHOW article needs but nobody is giving it a chance. It is also because so many earlier editors caused so much of mess in creating drafts of the show that it is highly protected that only administrators of Wikipedia can create it. Ma'am you too are an administrator so can you please help to create the article? I assure I will produce all the material required for the article in a Word document and send it to you through e-mail and you can verify it yourself. Or else, atleast give the page creation access to the extended confirmed users also because the extended confirmed users create articles respecting all that Wikipedia needs. Please I beg you can you help with Zindagi Mere Ghar Aana?--117.193.146.71 (talk) 11:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Page deletion

Hi. Hope you will de doing well. I got this notification today. "01:30, 4 October 2021 Liz talk contribs deleted page Cupid Chan (R2: Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace) Tag: Twinkle (thank)." Can you please guide me if I have done anything wrong? Because all I can see is a draft now which states that "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" It's concerning for me because I consider it unethical to take money for writing Wikipedia pages or get paid to make any edits. I joined Wikipedia after getting inspiration from the project and I won't take any money for writing Wikipedia pages for someone. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyatthewheels (talk • contribs) 13:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

PROD deletion

Hi Liz! In May, you deleted the article for PayScale after its PROD from ScottishFinnishRadish expired. Per Archive.org, the references on the page at the time included six sources that each look to me to clearly qualify for WP:NORG:

• https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/warburg-pincus-buys-compensation-software-service-payscale-for-up-to-100-million
• https://www.geekwire.com/2019/salary-compensation-data-site-payscale-valued-325m-new-private-equity-investment
• https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/03/technology/03money.html
• https://www.seattletimes.com/business/payscale-shows-you-the-money
• https://techcrunch.com/2006/10/12/how-much-money-do-you-make
• https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2019/08/26/payscale-concur-new-ceo.html

Could you please restore the article?

I know you put in a lot of work to handle the PROD queue, but I have to say that instances like this make me question whether the system should exist. When topics like this are being deleted, it doesn't seem that there are enough safeguards in place to preserve valid work by writers, especially while the redirect restoration issue remains unresolved. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Per NORG, articles discussing new hires, promotions, valuations, rounds of funding, etc do not contribute to notability. We're left with no where near enough sourcing to establish notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

ScottishFinnishRadish, that's an (understandable) misinterpretation of WP:NORG. What that guideline dictates is that articles consisting only of hires/promotions don't contribute to notability; it doesn't dictate that any article discussing a hire/promotion doesn't contribute. I'll grant that the Business Journal one is perhaps a little borderline, but it's still clearly a reported article that has many details about the company beyond just announcing the new CEO. Ones like Geekwire, at more than 600 words, aren't borderline at all. And then there's sources like the 2006 TechCrunch profile or the 1400-word New York Times profile that aren't related to any of the trivial coverage examples. You could always try taking it to AfD after it's restored, but it's not a close call (especially given that a WP:BEFORE would turn up additional substantial coverage like [3]), which is why I was disconcerted to see it deleted via the PROD process. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Dropping by, I was curious, and this is the sort of article I tend to have doubts about, so I looked at the NYT article, which certainly surprised me by being quite substantial coverage. DGG ( talk ) 06:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Liz: I'd appreciate a reply when you have a moment (at least on whether you're willing to restore or I should go through WP:REFUND). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Qatar Turkish School proposed deletion

Hi Liz ! As you cancelled my proposal to delete Qatar Turkish School, I just wanted to understand why the mentioned article is relevant on Wikipedia. Thanks --78.100.47.43 (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Undeletion guide

Hi, I would like to participate at WP:Requests for undeletion to restore pages, and would like to know if there is a undeletion guide that admins follow. WP:Viewing and restoring deleted pages only says to follow WP:Undeletion policy, which doesn't say much. I have restored some pages in the past, but only for individual requests at my talk page. Whereas I see WP:Requests for undeletion is more streamlined and rule-based. Is there a check list an admin goes through? Jay ^(Talk) 19:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

There isn't a guide to restoring pages although there is some guidance at the top of the page that covers the basic purpose of the process. My advice is to first, go to the deleted page whose restoration is being requested and read the deletion summary to find out why the page was deleted. Secondly, if you go to edit a request to reply to it, above the edit box is a line that states "Show attendant instructions". If you click on the link that says "Show", it will show you the most common responses that are given to restoration requests. You can choose whether or not to add your own response to a template.

My own judgement is that, ordinarily, CSD G13 stale drafts and PRODS are restored upon request unless there are other issues with the content...the most common problem that might occur are copyright violations. But if that is present, it is typically mentioned in the deletion summary. A page with copyright violations is never restored under any conditions. Aside from G13 draft requests, the second most common request is that pages deleted through AFDs be restored. There is a template for that where you add the admin's name who closed the AFD discussion and the requester is advised to approach that admin or go to Deletion Review to request a restoration. WP:REFUND is only for uncontroversial restorations. There is also a special template for CSD G11s and CSD A7s which you can use. If it is another speedy deletion criteria, you'll have to write your own response or adapt one of the templates.

The templates will likely cover 95% of requests you'll see. My only other comments are that requesters will often say that they want to restore a CSD G13 stale draft but the page wasn't deleted as a G13. The reason why they state this is that there is a form for requesting stale drafts be restored, because most restorations requested are G13s, and they just use the form any way because most of the requesters are new editors who started a draft and then forgot to come back and work on it. So, you need to confirm the real reason for deletion. Also, after a G13 has been restored once via WP:REFUND, if it is deleted again and the editor comes back to ask for it to be restored a 2nd time, ask if they will actually be working on the draft. Just last week, an editor came to ask for a draft to be restored for a 4th time and in between deletions, they never did any work on the draft. After 2 or 3 restorations, G13s are typically refused. Also, sometimes an editor will be told "No", a restoration can't be done and they will keep coming back and requesting it again and again. At this point, you might need to post a admin response on their user talk page because there might be other issues going on.

I think the only element that can vary among admins who work at WP:REFUND is that occasionally, an editor will ask for a page that was deleted through speedy deletion to be restored to Draft or User space. Some admins will accommodate that request and restore the page to an editor's Sandbox, others will not and just point the editor to Deletion Review. But I think the best guide to working at WP:REFUND is just reading over the page and seeing how other admins handle a variety of different requests. Luckily, the page is only archived after 7 days so just reading over a week of requests and replies will cover most of the cases you'll run into.

I'm glad that there will be another admin patrolling WP:REFUND. Right now, there are 4 or 5 admins who regularly check the board but sometimes requests can sit for a day or two before an admin gets to them. Be sure to read back a few days and not just look at the bottom of the page for the newest request because sometimes an admin will miss a request from a few days ago but that is obvious by looking for the red links. I'll just add that WP:REFUND is one of the more pleasant admin duties because some times you'll get a request from an editor who wants to work on a draft that was deleted 2 or 3 years ago and it's nice to think that a new article might come out of a forgotten deleted draft.

If you see anything in appropriate or confusing, just ask me, Hut 8.5, Graeme Bartlett or Muboshgu (whom I consider to be the regulars) and we can offer some advice. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:38, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed response! I'll keep referring back to this advice as I get familiar with the undeletion cases and how they are handled. Jay ^(Talk) 20:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

The attendant instructions says If you are fulfilling or rejecting a request, please ping the original requestor (if s/he is a registered editor). Many requesting editors are comparatively new, and a ping helps such editors to be aware of the action that has been taken, whatever that may be. Where does this ping happen? I don't see any response being added to the requestor's talk page, or a ping happening in the undeletion response. Also, I see some restorations have a comment summary like Dummy edit to reset G13 clock after undeletion. Is it required? Jay ^(Talk) 08:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if you got a chance to look at these additional questions. Jay (talk) 06:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Harlem African Burial Ground

Hello sir Liz, Sir I will do it as you told, thanks for the great advices.Superatp 02:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Questions re: Rama Kirve

Hi Liz,

While patrolling new pages, I've noticed that you deleted Rama Kirve in this logged action owing to ban evasion. I'm not an admin, so I can't see if the deleted version is similar to the version that's currently present on the page. Does the deleted version look similar to the current version?

Best, — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Application of G5

Hi Liz. You said G5 didn't apply; can you help me understand why? I'm guessing it has to do with the timing of a sockpuppetry block/unblock and subsequent creation of a sock. My reasoning follows the bullet of the policy that states When a blocked or banned person uses an alternate account (sockpuppet) to avoid a restriction, any pages created via the sock account after the earliest block or ban of any of that person's accounts qualify for G5 which seems to me to apply. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bri,

It's a bit confusing and if you scan up further on this page, you'll see that I misunderstood it about a week ago and another admin corrected me. I needed to restore a bunch of pages I had deleted that were actually not eligible for deletion under the G5 criteria.

Let's say there is an Editor A, Editor B and Editor C. Editor A is created and starts editing and a week later Editor B is created and starts editing. They both edit for a month. Then, an SPI is filed and on Day 1 Editor A is blocked for multiple accounts. Then, on Day 2, Editor B is blocked for being a sockpuppet of Editor A. Then, a week later, Editor C is created and starts editing until they are blocked as a sockpuppet of Editor A. In this case, even though Editor B was a sockpuppet and was editing at the same time as Editor A, Editor A was not blocked at this time and so Editor B was not an incidence of block evasion, therefore, their page creations are not eligible for CSD G5. However, Editor C's page creations ARE eligible for CSD G5 deletion because at the time Editor C created the pages, Editor A was blocked and so Editor C was both a sockpuppet and an incident of block evasion.

So, it one sense, CSD G5 is misunderstood, it shouldn't be applied to the page creations of all sockpuppets but to incidents of block evasion, when sockpuppets are created after the sockmaster has been blocked. This usually means that in the initial complaint of an SPI case, when the sockmaster is first identified, the sockpuppets in that first case' page creations should not be tagged CSD G5. But those of every sockpuppet coming afterwards are eligible for CSD G5.

I hope this clears things up. Take if from someone who learned it the hard way! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Following your terminology, A is the master Sasha Boudville, B is Adarna Herna [4] and C is Lara Hatsumi [5]. So therefore aren't all the Lara Hatsumi creations G5 eligible? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

You know, Bri, I wrote out a long explanation of how you were wrong and when I reread it and checked the reports, I realized that you were correct. Then I wrote out a second reply stating you were right and I was wrong. This is the third response and I have to say now I'm not sure and I'm going to ping Bbb23 to see what the right answer is.

Here's what happened after I looked at the article you tagged for CSD G5: If you look at Sasha Boudville's contribution page, it states that Bbb23 blocked them on 12 September 2021 for being a sockmaster. So when I then checked the SPI case, it was in my mind that they were blocked last month and I didn't see that the original case was September 2020 and the follow up case was September 2021. So, I realized that, yes, they were a blocked sockmaster in 2020.

But then I checked their block log to see why Bbb23 had issued a recent block when the SPI was in 2020. The block log states that in 2020, they were only blocked for a month on 20 September 2020 for sockpuppetry despite the SPI. So, when Lara Hatsumi was created on 20 October 2020, they weren't a blocked account any longer and so even though Lara Hatsumi was a sockpuppet, I don't know if this could be considered block evasion because Sasha Boudville wasn't blocked when that account was created.

I haven't run into a case this murky before and it didn't help that when I glanced over the SPI I just read 2020 as 2021. But hopefully, the wise Bbb23 can deliver a verdict. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:17, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Liz, I think your last reasoning is correct. I also think both of you should stop torturing yourselves. :) --Bbb23 (talk) 02:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm getting ready to stop torturing myself by taking the pageant stuff off of my watchlist. I hope that somebody else is ready to step up to it. It's a real time suck. BTW this is amusing in retrospect. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think this is the right interpretation, Bri and Bbb23. In Liz's first line, the creations of editor B that were started after editor A was blocked are in my opinion eligible for speedy. As I see it, the block was evaded not by creating the account, but by creating the article. (the creations by B before A was blocked are of course not eligible) DGG ( talk ) 05:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

گردليدان

Hello sir Liz, Sir can we use another languages as a redirect page title in English Wikipedia? Thank you Superatp 03:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Superatp,

First, thank you for your formality but I'm not a "sir". You can just call me "Liz".

Yes, we have redirects in foreign languages. Check out Category:Redirects to English-language terms. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Meditation as Medication for the Soul | need your help in improving article

Hi Liz, Thank you for your previous support in reverting gibberish edits on Meditation as Medication for the Soul.

• It is marked for deletion by some user stating it promotional. This page is not written to promote or publicise an entity or person, it is just an article about a book focusing on benefits of meditation. Please guide me on how I can improve this article or please help me rewrite this in a neutral tone. --Jake Peraltaa (talk) 20:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I don't know how you keep writing such amazing, high-quality warnings to people. Having tried writing some myself, I appreciate the effort that goes into them. Thank you for the good work! Enterprisey (talk!) 23:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Wow, thank you, Enterprisey. They take time to write because I proofread them several times. I've found that sometimes the first draft sounds harsh because I'm frustrated at that moment but I don't want the editor to feel like I'm scolding them. That reaction never produces a positive result and the goal is for every editor to develop better editing habits. And we can all improve, including me. Blowing up at an editor or embarrassing them on their own talk page doesn't make them feel like doing better work, it either makes them want to quit or they continue to work and simply resent you.

I have to say that I model my messages on ones I've seen written by JBW and Cullen328. I remember being very impressed years ago by an extensive message JBW left on a disruptive editor's talk page, carefully explaining policy when I think most admins would have simply blocked them. It takes more time but good editors are really our most precious resource here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

And thank you for the response! That's a really smart philosophy. I would like to quote it on my user page, if you don't mind. Enterprisey (talk!) 05:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Expatriate soccer players in Malta

A tag has been placed on Category:Expatriate soccer players in Malta indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Faster than Thunder

Argh, Faster than Thunder is still at it, continuing to be oblivious to their warnings.

They know about user talk pages; they've left comments for others and removed warnings from their own; I don't know why they're not listening to the comments on their own.

I've RFD'ed yet another WP:RFOREIGN redirect Μέγαρα and left a final warning. TJRC (talk) 00:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TJRC,

Thanks for alerting me that they were active again. I don't see enough disruption to warrant a block but I'll keep an eye on their contributions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess I'm venting. I wouldn't suggest a block prior to a final warning in any event, and they hadn't had one until just now. TJRC (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's not great that they haven't communicated or responded to talk page messages, that's not a good sign, but I don't see them on a page creation rampage. I've heard that editors who work on mobile devices don't even see talk page notices and I wish we had a solution for that. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:37, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of "Marcia Pally"

The new entry for "Marcia Pally" that was speedily deleted was substantially different from the previously deleted page. It did not contain any of the alleged flaws of the previous page. The subject is certainly notable and I believe that the new page is entirely factual, objective, and well referenced. Given the above, I do not understand why it was deleted without discussion. I would respectfully request that it be restored or at least that the deletion be discussed.AlexaVamos (talk) 04:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AlexaVamos,

The page was tagged as a CSD G4 after a very conclusive AFD decision to "Delete". If you would like the page restored, please make an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review and you can present your argument. If I restored it right now, it would immediately be tagged again for speedy deletion and a different admin would delete it. You need for there to be a Deletion Review decision that overturns the AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Holy ejaculation

Hi! Is there anything non-obvious going on with the deletion of the redirect Holy ejaculation? As far as I can see, it's not a typo or misnomer for Ejaculatory prayer, just a regular synonym that sees occasional use [6]. – Uanfala (talk) 08:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Uanfala,

Those books you found all look like they are 100-200 years old and I don't think there is a religious use of "ejaculation" any more. I thought the page was vandalism so perhaps we used the incorrect CSD tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, if you searched for the title of the target article, you'd get similarly old results (and besides, we try to account for common historic names anyway). The redirect was neither a typo, nor vandalism, so would you mind restoring it? You can take it to WP:RfD if you still are of the opinion that it should be deleted. – Uanfala (talk) 21:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Didn't Batman say that?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

That's twice I've done a double-take at my watchlist... ~TNT (she/her • talk) 22:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I'll restore it and send it to RFD and we can stop talking about Holy Ejaculations here. This is a PG talk page although sometimes strong words are used. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't disclose my age, but I will disclose that I'm older than 13. Sorry, Liz, I'll shut up now.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, it's now up to the 2 or 3 editors who regularly comment on RFDs. They are a thoughtful bunch though and take redirects very seriously so I hope they won't keep it just for amusement's sake. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey! There's at least four of us. ;) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 22:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, however many there are, you really take redirects and the purpose of redirects very seriously unlike the majority of editors. I know this because my poorly prepared nominations get shot down regularly because you all saw value in a redirect that seemed totally implausible to me. So, who knows maybe there is one very very innocent person out there that will type in "Holy ejaculation" on Wikipedia in order to get to an article about prayers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Glad to hear you appreciate what we do. :) RfD can be a bit alien to outsiders. Often we're looking at things that don't occur to most people (like "Actually this was an article for 3 days in 2007 and for some reasons still gets views"), or that would be invalid arguments in most other venues (like "It's a popular meme"). One thing I like about it is that most people really do "Call them like we see them". Not much inclusionism or deletionism, although certainly everyone has individual kinds of redirect they're more conservative or liberal on. Potentially offensive redirects are always an interesting category. With them I try to just always think about whether the redirect will take the reader somewhere useful (like this racial slur) or mislead them (like "Gaza Holocaust", deleted after five RfDs).

Anyways, I'll shut up. :D Get me on the topic of redirects and RfD and I'll ramble all day. Do let me know if you ever have questions about RfD. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 22:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For all the round the clock arduous tasks you perform. You are indeed a tireless contributor Celestina007 (talk) 21:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Does Fandom count as a Good Source?

Im curious because I'm trying to a make page on an Internet Series called Madness Combat, and I need some help with fandom counts or not. Thegibuspyro (talk) 21:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thegibuspyro,

I can't help you with creating articles as I mostly deal with admin and maintenance tasks so I recommend you take your questions to the Teahouse and Articles for Creation both of which are set up to help new editors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi @Thegibuspyro:, no Fandom is not a reliable source because it is user generated. You can read more about what is considered a reliable source at WP:V and WP:RS. Also, feel free to ask questions at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, S0091. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

RfA 2021 review update

Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, Primefac and Wugapodes.

The following had consensus support of participating editors:

1. Corrosive RfA atmosphere

   The atmosphere at RfA is deeply unpleasant. This makes it so fewer candidates wish to run and also means that some members of our community don't comment/vote.

2. Level of scrutiny

   Many editors believe it would be unpleasant to have so much attention focused on them. This includes being indirectly a part of watchlists and editors going through your edit history with the chance that some event, possibly a relatively trivial event, becomes the focus of editor discussion for up to a week.

3. Standards needed to pass keep rising

   It used to be far easier to pass RfA however the standards necessary to pass have continued to rise such that only "perfect" candidates will pass now.

4. Too few candidates

   There are too few candidates. This not only limits the number of new admin we get but also makes it harder to identify other RfA issues because we have such a small sample size.

5. "No need for the tools" is a poor reason as we can find work for new admins

The following issues had a rough consensus of support from editors:

6. Lifetime tenure (high stakes atmosphere)
   Because RfA carries with it lifetime tenure, granting any given editor sysop feels incredibly important. This creates a risk adverse and high stakes atmosphere.
7. Admin permissions and unbundling
   There is a large gap between the permissions an editor can obtain and the admin toolset. This brings increased scrutiny for RFA candidates, as editors evaluate their feasibility in lots of areas.
8. RfA should not be the only road to adminship
   Right now, RfA is the only way we can get new admins, but it doesn't have to be.

Please consider joining the brainstorming which will last for the next 1-2 weeks. This will be followed by Phase 2, a 30 day discussion to consider solutions to the problems identified in Phase 1.

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CSD on Draft:Qissa Meherbano Ka

Hi - the IP that created the article is from a known IP range for Bttowadch. They've shifted mostly to using IP accounts and draft space because their user accounts get caught fairly quick. Please reconsider the CSD on that draft. Thank you. Ravensfire (talk) 03:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ravensfire,

If you look over my talk page, you'll see multiple discussions over CSD G5 tagging along with mistakes I've made by not reading SPI cases thoroughly. I will not delete a page tagged CSD G5 unless the page creator has been blocked for sockpuppetry and whose account was created after the sockmaster was blocked. You very well may be correct that this IP is a block evading sockpuppet but until I see confirmation, I won't delete that page. You are free to approach another administrator and see if they will oblige. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Perfectly understandable, appreciate the reply! Ravensfire (talk) 03:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Association for Asian Performance

Hi Liz! I would like to bring the page Association for Asian Performance [[7]] back to life with proper notability, citations, and credit. Since you deleted the page on 19 January, 2021, Wikipedia notified me that I should contact you prior to recreating the page. I have found a sizeable amount of notable source material beyond what has been included in previous iterations of the Association for Asian Performance Wiki page and plan to reinvent the page properly this time. Thank you for your dedication to Wikipedia! --Camargue19 (talk) 23:07, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Camargue19,

As a contested Proposed deletion, these pages can be restored upon request so I have done so. Good luck with the article! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Apparent meatpuppetry/proxy editing

Hi Liz, I noticed that you protected the Stephen Zechariah page due to sockpuppetry. A new-ish uer @Ram Dhaneesh: appears to be doing the bidding of the Spreadmediaglobal sockmaster here. This tag team effort mirrors previous attempts to create the SZ article [8]. Ram also previously created a page on Deri Lorus under a different title after it was salted [9]. Would appreciate it if you could take a closer look at this. Thanks.-KH-1 (talk) 03:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Yaacob I ben Aaharon ben Shalma

You deleted by G4, but it does not seem to apply. It had an additional reference and an additional illustration added, and the earlier deletion reason "contains no information beyond that available at Samaritan High Priest no longer applies . I've restored it. I will add some other information also. DGG ( talk ) 05:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David,

I defer to your judgment, always. It didn't seem like there was much there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I went back to the original deletion argument and I'm not certain I did the right thing, it turns out that this is a complicated problem, and I've asked for advice on how to handle this and a number of similar drafts. I'm consulting the author and the deleting admin; both are more knowledgable than I. There are always one or two decisions a day that leave me with a residual feeling of doubt, and I've learned to go back to them, because very often my feeling turns out to be correct. I do not know how my mind works to generate this sort of feeling, but it does. DGG ( talk ) 04:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Señorita Panamá 2021

Hi Liz, i noticed that you deleted the page of Señorita Panamá 2021, I see that the apparent reason is because it was created by an already blocked User, I understand the situation of that user, even so the event is real and is currently being developed in the country whose final night will be celebrated on November 7 with concrete and real references, previously I add several references of The National Contest. My question is about the possibility of being able to restore the page and what can be done to improve it and not be completely eliminated even though the creator user has been blocked / removed. Evanex ( talk ) 03:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Papua New Guinean educationists

My mistake. Please go ahead and delete. Sorry. Roundtheworld (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Taros1990/sandbox/Hiroyuki Sekino

From what I could tell, Taros1990 (talk · contribs) started editing while its master, Michaelse2002 (talk · contribs), was blocked for unrelated reasons. (Michael's initial block was on 10 Oct and only extended to indef after Taros' discovery; Taros began editing 11 Oct.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Problem

Hello, @Liz! If you don't mind, Can you check at Makerfield (UK Parliament constituency), I don't understand if it's ok to put "+" and "-" signs. I think increase & decrease templates are correct in this case, persistently changing by ips. Thanks ~ Limited Idea4me (talk) 04:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Reverted edit at Template:Infobox Wikipedia user

Hi Liz, could I ask if you remember the reason for Special:Diff/1032469784? There were two parts to the edit you reverted, you mentioned categorization in your edit summary, but the categorization code I replaced simply doesn't work any more. {{substr_any|{{{location|}}}| {{str find0|{{{location|}}}|,}}+2| 50-{{strlen quick|{{{location|}}}}} }} for |location=Cambridge, United Kindom evaluates to {{str sub old|Cambridge, United Kindom|9+2|50-24}}, and this evaluates to the whole original string "Cambridge, United Kindom" because the template str_sub_old doesn't evaluate expressions. Maybe it used to. Immediately above there is already an attempt to categorize into Category:Wikipedians in {{{location}}} so I'm reasonably sure the code I replaced wasn't doing anything useful at all. I just can't see the problem myself but if you could let me know what categorization it broke it would be appreciated! Many thanks, User:GKFX^talk 10:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Joeyjoeymintzmintz's empty categories

Hi Liz, I almost tagged the cats as WP:C1 myself, but I wasn't sure if (1) I had to wait until they'd been empty 7 days or (2) I tag them and then an admin deletes them only after 7 days elapses. You're much more experienced in this, and I'm assuming #2 is good?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bbb23,

This is commonly misunderstood. The empty categories are tagged CSD C1 when they are first noticed by a human editor or by a bot (see Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories) and after a 7 day waiting period in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion, if the categories are still empty, they are deleted. The tagging starts the 7 day period because, otherwise, it's impossible to know when the category was first emptied. The waiting period is because categories are sometimes emptied "out of process", as a way around WP:CFD or by enthusiastic new editors, so some editors scan Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion to recover or restore those categories. Hope this clarifies things.

I've also learned that categories can be a rare exception to the CSD G5 rule (see Wikipedia:REVERTBAN) as the deletion of categories that have not been emptied can be disruptive to other pages. I think categories that have been created by ban evading sockpuppets that ARE empty, can be simply deleted under CSD G5 and don't need to be tagged CSD C1. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed explanation, Liz. I think it would be useful if this was made clear in WP:C1 itself, which has no guidance.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of A Christmas Miracle For Daisy (TV Movie) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article A Christmas Miracle For Daisy (TV Movie) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Christmas Miracle For Daisy (TV Movie) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

BOVINEBOY2008 02:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Possible sleeper

CaptainFalcon73847 was created around the same time as the other socks. Politanvm ^talk 02:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

And GiantFalcon1919 is active now. Is this an LTA? Politanvm ^talk 03:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for spamming your talk, but CFalcon05 was just created. Politanvm ^talk 03:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

And FalconsChokeOnCaptainFalcon. Is there a way to block account creation? Politanvm ^talk 03:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Politanvm,

Thanks for alerting me. I've blocked them as well. I don't know if they are an LTA but they are very active tonight. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Maybe a bit too passionate about sports. Adding onto the list, we have User:W kut a w Captain Falcon, but maybe it’s not worth it to block them ASAP since they’ll just create more accounts and some of the disruption is on drafts and user pagers nobody will ever see. If there’s anything else I can do to help, let me know. Politanvm ^talk 03:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Blocked. I've gone to a Checkuser with a request for advice. I don't know what else to do at this point. The account creation blocks seem to have no effect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I’ll just keep an eye out for some of the more visible disruption. I’m not an expert in LTAs, but maybe the list of users they complained about at User talk:BusterFalcon9 would narrow down who it is. Politanvm ^talk 03:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

The Spine of Night

Hi Liz. While reviewing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ConyJuul, I noticed the unusual history of The Spine of Night (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). It was an article, but was then redirected by a misguided newer editor to Draft:The Spine of Night, without merging any of the content to the draft. Having looked at the deleted version for the SPI, it doesn't look to me like an article that would have been speedied or draftified (although it does need some copy-editing and referencing improvements). Would you be open to restoring the article? Or if you do think the deleted version was draftifiable, could you please restore and then histmerge into the draft? Thanks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamzin,

It took a while to figure out what was going on here. The page was deleted as a CSD R2 cross-namespace redirect, which is what it appeared to be but it turns out that Limited Idea4me had removed the content and turned it into a cross-namespace redirect so I restored the page and reverted back to before the content was removed. This is an unusual step to take for any editor, to redirect an article page to Draft space, much less for a new one to do, so thanks for catching it.

We've been having some issues recently with articles being moved to Draft space and then the page creator doing cut-and-paste page creations of new versions of the article in main space, leaving us with two versions of the same article, one in main space and one in Draft space, so maybe that is what happened here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Star Wars Theory no one told me my article had been prodded

I did not get any message on my talk page that an article I created had been prodded. You deleted it on 10 May 2021 with the message "deleted page Star Wars Theory (Expired PROD, concern was: This may be mentioned in a few reliable sources, but I'm not seeing enough depth-of-coverage to meet WP:WEB or WP:GNG)". I would like this version of the article restored since it had reliable sources giving it significant coverage. If someone disagrees they can send it to AFD in the proper manner. Dream Focus 05:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dream Focus,

Can you give me a link to the exact page? It's the responsibility of the editor tagging pages for deletion to inform the page creator though I recently de-PROD'd an article when I saw that this step had been omitted. If things are as you say, we can see who forgot to notify you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Dream Focus is almost certainly talking about Star Wars Theory. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

That's it. Star Wars Theory is a popular YouTube channel, with people that worked on the Star Wars films doing interviews, as well as bestselling writers of Star Wars books. I see after you deleted it, someone else created a different article there it then it got erased by another prod. I created my version on 2021-01-12 and you deleted it on 10 May 2021. Dream Focus 17:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Firefangledfeathers .This is a bit tricky because since the PROD deletion, another editor recreated the page and it was deleted, for a third time, on CSD A7 grounds. But I was able to restore your version, deleted as a PROD and keep the other edits still deleted. It doesn't look like there is a whole lot of substance to this article, Dream Focus, so it might be tagged for deletion again, this time in an AFD discussion which would make a deletion more permanent. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Issues regarding Akpakip Oro speedy deletion removal

The article Akpakip Oro is a hoax, such kingdom never existed in Nigeria and there is no archaeological evidence to support the claims presented in the article. from my understanding the cited references do not present any evidence of such kingdom. The page contributor User:Joe Bassey, who maybe from the Oron ethnic group is well known for formulating things attached to Akwa Ibom State or the Oron people most of which have been deleted. The article should be deleted because wikipedia is not a place for personal research or hoax and i think the article is entirely formulated because after searching google i could hardly find any evidence. Emma emmanuel okon269

Help with Red Assessment Categories

Hey L: quick question: would you be willing to fully protect the 13 problematic Wikipedia version 1.0 statistics pages, to prevent the bot from re-adding the red categories to them? The admin. with whom I was working is on a short wikibreak, so I am coming to you. If you are amenable, I'll drop in the list of pages below. Thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Wuh, huh?

Please list a page that is currently protected so I can see exactly what you are talking about, what has been done in the past and why full protection is needed. Before saying "Yes", I need to see that this is necessary. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

There is not a page that is currently protected, though there have been ones protected in the past by User:Gonzo fan2007, with whom I was working on this. An example of one to be protected would be Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/South America military history articles by quality log (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs); if you look at the history, it is the only easy way to stop the bot from re-adding the red category after I (or you) remove it, which is all that the bot does. I have just removed the cats from that and from the 12 other pages that should be protected for this reason; happy to give the list of the 12 if you agree. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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It sure was

Yes, obviously I had no idea. Need to do a bit of reflection on whether there was anything I should have picked up on earlier in the process, but it did come as a shock. Girth Summit _(blether) 05:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Girth Summit,

When I originally left that message, I actually read the big reveal on the SPI case report and then posted on your talk page as I was in shock. A bit later I saw the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard and realized that there was a public discussion of the situation and you really didn't need a talk page notice. I think that some people will think the discovery was a result of the RfA but it was really a coincidence.

The thought I'm left with is that Icewhiz obviously could edit quite well, if he had acted as responsibly and productively as Eostrix, he probably could have become an admin himself rather than banned, that it was a choice that he made to be disruptive because Eostrix was a promising admin candidate that got almost unanimous support. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Pluto (minor planet)

I noticed you removed Pluto (minor planet), for WP:R3, even though it not a typo, or a misnomer, as Pluto is part of the minor planet catalogue and the similar Minor Planet Pluto redirects. It is not misinformation like Pluto (asteroid) or Pluto (comet) would be. Pluto (minor planet) also fits in with other currently unnecessary disambiguation articles like Jupiter (planet) and Makemake (minor planet). Beanpickle (talk) 17:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello,Beanpickle

The deletion summary doesn't say "typo or a misnomer", it says "Recently created, implausible redirect". I think it is implausible that a reader would search for Pluto (minor planet) as a way to get to Pluto instead of just typing Pluto. We don't need more complicated version of a simple names as a way to get to the simple name. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

But what makes it different than Minor Planet Pluto or Pluto (planet)? Beanpickle (talk) 00:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I haven't looked into those two pages but the major difference is that another editor tagged Pluto (minor planet) for speedy deletion as, as an admin, I patrol the CSD categories and evaluate articles and pages tagged for deletion. But I don't actively go out looking for redirects to delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I must have misread the page or something similar. Beanpickle (talk) 02:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

draft:Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film)

Thank you. Moving it to draft again was what was needed, but I didn't know of any other way to request it than a G4. If I had moved it back to draft space myself, it would have been move warring. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon,

I think we have a problem right now of moving pages in and out of Draft space and I don't see an obvious resolution. If an editor objects to the move, they are supposed to move the page back to main space but instead of doing that, we have some editors simply copying the contents of the Draft page into a new main space page which leaves us with two versions of the article with two different edit histories. But I don't think that was the case with this article though. I didn't think it was wise to delete the article, despite the AFD, because the movie will be released in another month or two and there will be an article about it in main space. There are just some editors who are eager to have that article appear now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that there is no obvious answer. Much of the problem has to do with movies that have been produced and not yet released. There is discussion at the film notability talk page again, but I have been trying to call attention to this problem for more than a year. The guideline is poorly written, and there are two very different interpretations both of what the guideline says, and of what the guideline should say. Some film studios and directors have ultras, fanatical fans, and they aren't willing to wait until the film is reviewed. Another factor, to which you allude, is editors who create two copies of an article, one in draft space and one in article space. I think that they do this on purpose to game the system, because then the version in article space cannot be moved into draft space. This isn't restricted to movies; it also has to do with people and companies. I sometimes write an AFD in that case, and sometimes say that the draft should be kept. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The AFD for Wimpy Kid has said to move it to draft space, so you were just reinstating what the AFD had said to do. No one wanted it deleted. It is just that animation studios have ultras who want to see animated movie articles as soon as possible. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Recreating a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion

Hi there, Liz! Hope you're fine! I'm here to ask a question that can I recreate this page again? The page was deleted as per as deletion discussion. Because the page didn't meet with general notability guideline. But I've found some sources which meets with general notability guideline. So I hope that if I recreate this page, it will meet with GNG. Thank you so much!  ||  Orbit Wharf 09:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Urgent Arb request

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List of spiritual entities in Islam: Difference between revisions

Greetings and first thanks for warning me instead of blocking me instantly about List of spiritual entities in Islam: Difference between revisions. But I must admit, I am really puzzled and disappointedm, about the rule. If there is really a rule, if justified or not, we always have to request deleting an article again after someone removes the templatem without any reason, deleting nomination is easily exploited and articles promoting a certain status of "unprofessionality" have a clear advantage. I think you are not in the position to bend the rules, but I request your advise how to properly act in such a case.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 00:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Chaonians

The Chaonians article has has edit warring between some editors for a few days. Can you make a short page protection or sth else to stop it? [10]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

No worries, I just noticed that they have now solved their dispute on the talk page. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Typhoon Olga

I redirected the Typhoon Olga (1976) page to its section in the 1976 season because I thought the original article was deleted for good; only realized it was deleted to give way for a more comprehensive draft which was about to be published at that time. Apologies for the confusion I caused. Vida0007 (talk) 06:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:Sockpuppet investigations/ProTaylorCraft

Thanks for catching that! S0091 (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,

Well, the hoax intrigued me, it was so implausible and easy to check that it was false. He's had an amazing number of sockpuppets for a young teenager. Tag any draft you see about the legendary Cody Taylor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

November 2021 backlog drive

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Speedy deletion of User:Santana MontanaQP

The page User:Santana MontanaQP has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appeared to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Spencer^T•C 15:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse ping

My apologies for the unnecessary ping to the TeaHouse. I should have read the thread a second time before I saved my reply (rather than after). Meters (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Meters,

Thanks for the apologies, Meters, but I was getting so many unnecessary pings that I kind of stopped checking them regularly. I've had 99+ notifications almost all the time. I should probably just clear them out completely and start over with 0. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I exacerbated the problem. Meters (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

HordeFTL

Hwy, that's not a name I recognise. Didn't know Efem itis went back that far. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:31, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Deepfriedokra,

I didn't recognize it either. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HordeFTL. I checked a half dozen of the tagged pages and everything seemed okay. I wish page taggers wouldn't attack their job with such gusto, it's easier to handle a few articles at a time rather than over a hundred. As far as CSD G5s, there is really no reason to rush their deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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Jovan actor

You deleted page Jovan (actor) as per Wikipedia Policies but I can say that was three years ago and hehave changed alot and he now pass the criteria of Wikipedia Nactor, has more reference rewritten properly. All the things has been solved २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 01:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, २ तकर पेप्सी,

I think the article was in terrible shape. But I'm willing to restore it to Draft space where you can continue to work on it and submit it to Articles for Creation. Please know that if you move it right back into main space of the encyclopedia without AFC review, then it will just be deleted again. You can't sneak it back into main space without AFC approval. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Sure will mind and send it to Afc for New page pattroller review. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 01:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, you can find it at Draft:Jovan (actor) and I put an edit notice asking that it not be tagged again for speedy deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

draft

Hello, according to what you said on my discussion page for Nima Bavardi's article I drafted it on September 23rd but it What should I do now to create it? --Juror134 (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Juror134,

It looks like the draft has been submitted to review to AFC which is the next step to take. I noticed that AFC reviewer KylieTastic contributed to Draft:Nima Bavardi, you might ask them for their opinion of your draft. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Recent G13 deletions

Hi, the drafts you're currently deleting are scheduled for November 1, not today. ✗plicit 00:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Explicit,

You know, I knew that but when the clock changed days, I just went to the next list. Thanks for the reminder. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina people of Israeli descent

A tag has been placed on Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina people of Israeli descent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:47, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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Question

Hi Liz, I saw that you are on the list of currently active admins, so I wanted to ask if you would take a look at something; a blocked user started using another account, (and have stated as such). I had pinged the blocking admin, but then found out they are away on a leave. I don't believe this is particularly urgent, likely more of a procedural block. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks - wolf 20:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Thewolfchild,

I am really bad at spotting sockpuppets unless they go back to editing the same articles so I don't know how you spotted this one which was originally blocked several years ago. But since they confessed, I really had no choice but to block them and ask them to log into their original account and make an unblock request. Good eye! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

That was quick! Thanks - wolf 20:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm usually either right on top of my user talk page or I forget it's there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Request redaction on my talk page

Hi Liz, Requesting redact for user's recent defamatory comment on my talk page. Thanks. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AngusWOOF,

If you are talking about the comments left by 172.119.3.160, I don't think they fit the revision deletion criteria. He was calling Wikipedia, as a project with its notability criteria, racist. Although he/she was going after you, it wasn't the kind of gross vandalism and slurs that would fit revision deletion criteria and I think removing them from your page is sufficient. It is a judgment call though so feel free to ask another admin for their opinion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz, thanks, I will remove and have them rant about it on the talk page of the subject. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Randy Arrington, PhD

Hi, I added the CSD tag to this due to the following sentence which I believed to be negative: “ But be fully aware that being in the close proximity of Dr. Randy Arrington is NOT a safe space.” which I felt had negative connotations. If I was being overly sensitive, I apologise. Equine-man (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Equine-man,

No, you aren't being too sensitive, I'm going to remove that sentence. But when thinking about "attack pages", I think about the definition at WP:CSD,

Examples of "attack pages" may include libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced. These pages should be speedily deleted when there is no neutral version in the page history to revert to.

This draft wasn't entirely or even mostly negative in tone (although it is unsourced) except for that sentence which I'm going to delete now. I appreciate knowing that you are looking over new drafts and are sensitive to BLP issues. I think, for the good of the project, it's better to be over-sensitive than tone deaf. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) Equine-man (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of page called "Master of Media in Journalism and Communication program at the University of Western Ontario"

Hello! I published a page yesterday (November 2, 2021) about the history of the Master of Media in Journalism and Communication program at Western University. I based this page off the similar one of its kind for a different program. Here's the link to that inspiration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_and_Information_Science_program_at_the_University_of_Western_Ontario

I'm not really sure why my page was deleted as I didn't include anything promotional. The information was historical and about the current faculty and dean.

Looking for advice so I can get this page to stay up! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdonati (talk • contribs) 01:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cdonati,

If you look at the deleted page, Master of Media in Journalism and Communication at the University of Western Ontario, it states it was deleted because it was the recreation of a page deleted in an AFD discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Master of Media in Journalism and Communication. That AFD discussion just happened in May 2021 and any recreation of pages that are deleted in AFD discussions are deleted through speedy deletion (see WP:G4). It had nothing to do with the content of the article you wrote but to a community decision that there shouldn't be an article on the subject. Look at the AFD discussion for details.

The only way I know to get around an AFD deletion decision is to write a draft and submit it for review with Articles for Creation. You might try that route. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Brenda Almond draft

It seems that this draft was deleted in less than 12 hours giving me no chance to respond.

It was marked as "copyright" violation. This is not correct. There were quotes from a page that were clearly marked as quotes, otherwise the page was all a summary in encyclopedia style of this UK women philosopher's work.

Please reinstate the draft. If there is TOO much from the Times Higher profile that can be reduced.Emerald Gibb (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Brenda Almond draft

It seems that this draft was deleted in less than 12 hours giving me no chance to respond.

It was marked as "copyright" violation. This is not correct. There were quotes from a page that were clearly marked as quotes, otherwise the page was all a summary in encyclopedia style of this UK women philosopher's work.

Please reinstate the draft. If there is TOO much from the Times Higher profile that can be reduced.Emerald Gibb (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, another version of this discussion is posted on my talk page, would appreciate your input there :D Justiyaya 13:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Copyright violations are deleted as soon as they are discovered. They are not restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Statuette of the lady Tiye has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Statuette of the lady Tiye. Thanks! Hoary (talk) 04:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Easy on Me

Hi Liz. Can you semi-protect the page? Those IPs keep removing content without reason. 183.171.114.181 (talk) 04:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 183.171.114.181,

Okay, you do realize this affects you, too, right? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion

Hello. I'm new here. I've made 2 categories recently and you nominated them for deletion. Is there any problem with these categories? Thank you. Richard M William (talk) 04:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Richard M William,

There is an enormous category structure on Wikipedia and at least 16 years worth of Categories for Discussion cases on what is proper and improper in creating categories. Creating User categories for yourself is not acceptable. They were going to be tagged for deletion, if not by me than by another editor. But I invite you to participate in the CFD discussions involving your categories so you can offer your support for their continued existence. The best way to learn about categories is to participate in CFD discussions and hear the arguments put forward by those editors who focus on categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Film companion

Did you restore all revisions, including the G12 copyright infringement versions prior to April 17, 2017? Jay (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

I didn't intend to. Now, I'll go check it out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe I got all of the edits up to the removal of content as a copyright violation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi Page protection

Greetings Liz, hope everything is well and healthy, this new IP user [[11]] made a few reverts in very short time without posting any reliable sources to explain their edit and simultaneously ignoring already existing sources. Can something be done? Semi page protection or something else? The page in question is Valtazar Bogišić. Thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 6. November 2021 (UTC)

Albert Fry RIP

I translated the atricle about Albert Fry ( Referenc:https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fry) (from Irish Gaelic to English, because I had thought that it would be of interest to English speaking Wikipedians! Evidently my attempt to stop the article from being removed has fallen on deaf ears! I really don't have the time to spare on this language version of Wikipedia and unfortunately will not spend any more time trying to persuade English Wikipedia of the errors of their ways! Stay safe or as we say ion our language Fan sábháilte. Ériugena (talk) 17:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Manuel B. García Álvarez

I cannot understand why the article Manuel B Garcia Alvarez has been deleted. First, a 7-day period was set for adding new sources. It's only been 4 days and it's already been deleted, this is not serious. Secondly, the article contained sources from newspapers of worldwide importance such as: "El Pais" and "ABC" of Spain and "Izvestia" of Russia and others from newspapers of international importance such as "Diario de León" of Spain and "Komuna" of Russia. I have not had time to add more sources since they have deleted the article in breach of the 7-day deadline they had given me. Please give me an explanation of what has happened and I ask you to proceed to restore the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morseo (talk • contribs) 11:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/population count

It appears that about 9 hours ago, you deleted {{Infobox Finnish municipality/population count}}, which has 322 transclusions. Perhaps it should be redirected to {{Data Finland municipality/population count}} instead, or restored to whatever its contents were before the deletion. I would recreate it as a redirect, but sometimes when I fix an obvious problem in a sensible way, I end up getting my hand slapped, so I will leave red links in articles until you are available to take a look. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

The deletion of {{Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/inland waters area}} and other similar subpages also appears to be causing big red convert errors in articles like Vantaa. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Also pinging Primefac, who deleted the parent template over a year ago. I am so grateful that people like the two of you are willing to take on administrator tasks, despite having to mop up messes like this constantly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

More mess: this nomination was made by an editor now blocked as a sockpuppet. I wonder if the best way to fix this tangle is to replace all of the transclusions with their redirect targets. It seems like that should have been part of the RFD close process a year ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jonesey95,

I typically do not handle template deletions because of the complications of template transclusions but these tagged pages showed up in the regular Speedy Deletion categories which generally means they have been cleared and evaluated by editors who work with templates. I have restored Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/population count and Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/inland waters area but should all of these Finnish municipality templates be restored? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

If they were all redirects, my technical recommendation is to restore all of them to fix the Convert template errors in pages including Vantaa. I don't know how that fix intersects with the various policies and guidelines involved, but I think that would fix the errors. After that, maybe a bot or AWB editor could be recruited to carry out the RFD outcome (or not, if an SP-led outcome is invalid). – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment as the CSD tagger: it simply never occurred to me that any of the subpages could still be in use. For what it's worth, the original deletion of Template:Infobox Finnish municipality might be worth revisiting given the nominator is also a likely Tobias Conradi sock. On the other hand, it's kind of too deeply entrenched to undo now. The RfD in question is irrelevant, since the pages qualify for speedy deletion as G8 (and if they hadn't been deleted in October 2020 I would have CSD tagged them yesterday). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, I'll take care of this. These complications are typically why I give a wide berth to templates. It makes regular pages like articles and files seem straight-forward in comparison. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

My non-admin recommendation would be to replace all of the redirects with their targets (which I think should have been done following the RFD, but maybe a step got missed) and move on. I do a ton of template editing, so feel free to ping me if you run into any trouble. Thanks for sorting it, Liz. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I'm just restoring them all and leaving the template talk pages deleted. There is at least one that Plastikspork restored but later deleted that I'll just let be as I assume that, unlike me, they are familiar with templates. You will be able to see all of the pages in the Deletion log. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Bergius process and Haber–Bosch process

I made a request on the talk page of Bergius process and Haber–Bosch process to hold off deletion. Did you read it before deleting? SpinningSpark 07:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

How curious. Instead of removing the PROD tag, you leave a cryptic message on the talk page without even bothering to sign your post. If I didn't know any better I would have assumed this to be an honest mistake, but I think you're deliberately skirting standard protocol to bait your fellow admins into making "mistakes". I wish you would find something better to do with your time. -FASTILY 11:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Not at all, the signature was an honest mistake. I didn't deprod it because I agree it can't stand as an article at that title. Nevertheless, it contains encyclopaedic information and I think we ought to do something with it. So a) I wanted time to think about it, and b) I want to hear from the creator what it is supposed to be doing (who had not been notified of the prod). I don't think a personal attack is warranted quite yet. SpinningSpark 14:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you

Thanks for taking your time to explain. I was already about to quit using wiki. But thanks to you, at least I know I'm not an idiot for staying here. Do have a blissful day!!! Ugochukwu75 (talk) 11:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Cram schools in India

Hi Liz! This category was used earlier in the FIITJEE article, based on a Reuters reference, and was removed by an editor with a suspected COI in an attempt to whitewash the article. The category resultantly became empty and was C1'd by you. I've reverted the COI edits now, and restored the category, which turns up as a redlink now. Could you please restore the category, now that it is not empty? Thanks! JavaHurricane 14:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 'JavaHurricane,

 Done Restoring empty categories is one of the easier admin actions which I'm happy to do. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! JavaHurricane 00:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Might need your eye for something

Hi Liz—hopefully you don't mind, but I've seen you handle situations similar to this in amicable ways in the past, so perhaps you can help here.

I've noticed a few COI edit request declines from Quetstar after I informed a paid editor on how they should make one on Talk:LoopUp, which was then declined here, with justification I feel is quite lacking. It also seems this isn't the first time they've been notified about improper ER reviews: I see notices all the way back in September about similar issues on their talk page, with similarly bad ER reviews from just a few days ago, so it could be worth taking a look at from someone with more experience in dealing with this type of situation. (Note that I also reverted the LoopUp ER decline and left a note on their talk page.) Perryprog (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Perryprog,

Sorry for the delay but I've been very busy today. I'll look into this. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

Can you check on the following articles? Justlettersandnumbers restored them, but didn't remove the CSD tag in that restoration edit, which is why I think Anthony Bradbury then deleted them again almost instantly, since they popped back up in the category. Here they are: Ramón Escobar Santiago, Gladys Ejomi, Iñaxi Etxabe, Elisabeth Ebeling, Dick Klaverdijk, and César Salinas. Thank you for taking the time to check the article histories when doing your reviewing, btw, you're one of the only admins that does. Silverseren^C 23:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Silver seren,

Well, it was upsetting to me yesterday when there was a mass batch deletion of close to 100 articles tagged CSD G5 where clearly they weren't examined and reviewed individually. This action can be justified if the banned editor was the only contributor to these pages (as was the case with much of Brancrandran's pages) but that is not always the case (as with SportsOlympic). From a technical point of view, for an admin, is difficult to look at the deleted versions of pages and judged whether there have been substantial contributions by others as the deleted list of edits just includes the date and time of an edit, the editor's name and the edit summary, without any information about the size of an edit. It's much easier to make this judgment on an article before it has been deleted or after the page has been restored. But I looked at your deleted contributions and saw you made about similar contributions to pages that were then deleted so I was going to check on those later.

To be honest, some admins might have questions about you making some substantial contributions to pages AFTER they have been tagged for deletion but, in my judgment, that still makes them legitimate contributions to an article. I think it's not just a matter of changing admin behavior but also talking to editors who are quick to tag pages for deletion, to make sure they review pages before placing a CSD G5 tag on a page. I don't really understand the rush to delete pages as soon as a sockpuppet is discovered, there are some editors who tag page creations for deletion as soon as an editor is mentioned on a SPI case, before they've even been confirmed as a sockpuppet of an editor evading a ban. It's not like these are copyright violations or pages that violate BLP guidelines, pages that should be deleted upon discovery. Articles about past Olympic Game participants or 19th century judges in South America aren't doing any active damage and we can take our time to review and assess whether or not they should be deleted based on policy guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I have the exact same opinion. Especially in regards to this sockpuppet's articles in particular, since almost all of the ones I edited were just translations from other language Wikipedias. I honestly don't know what harm those are supposed to be doing by taking some more time on them. They're even further removed from the potential for copyvios or other issues. And I mentioned to Justlettersandnumbers that the ones I've edited are those that I would be going through the deletion process to undelete anyways to take responsibility for them. Instead, just making substantial changes like this saves everyones' time to not have to bother with that and the article is slightly better than it was before in the process. So, a win-win for everyone, imo. Silverseren^C 23:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Mikko Medics Clinic

Wondering why the article I wrote on a real health institution in Angono, Rizal, Philippines was deleted. The clinic has existed for 22 years. Komki (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Komki,

You have no deleted edits/contributions so I'm not sure what article you are talking about. Did you edit it with a different account? Can you give me a link to the page? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

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ExcuseMePowerGamers

Hello, thank you for deleting Draft:Bloodstain (album) under G3. I am wondering what to do with the creator of that article? They created it with a fake BBC reference and added a bunch of fake references to Tubbo with this edit (1, 2 & 3, dead links, supposed retrival date, source date and lack of a web.archive version makes me think they are fake), leading to said article getting accepted at AfC. Should I bring it to ANI/AIV or does a uw-template suffice? 15 (talk) 00:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 15,

This editor has only made 4 edits which is very low, not enough for me to consider filing a case at ANI. I'd keep an eye on them. I see you have participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tubbo but you might cast a vote since you seem to have done some investigation into them. Of course, this is just my gut reaction, another admin might take more aggressive action than I would. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. Thank you! 15 (talk) 10:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Legitimate use of File:Caucasian man masturbating.jpg

The Masturbation page used this image which I noticed is just a tracing of this image. I thought "why not just use the original image?" so I changed it; however, it did not show. The warning on the file page says "To prevent the use of this file for vandalism, it can only be used on pages for which it is specifically allowed," and "To use this file legitimately, contact an administrator..." so I came to you. I think this usage is legitimate. Desperatefisherman (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Desperatefisherman,

I have no idea why you picked me to talk to but I have no interest in getting involved in the correct or incorrect use masturbation photos. It was unfortunate enough that you caused me to go look at this image when I have other tasks to work on. Go make your request at MediaWiki talk:Bad image list and make your argument there. Maybe you'll find someone who is sympathetic to your point-of-view. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok sure, but if you're wondering why you, it's because you were the last person to comment on that page. Desperatefisherman (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that is a surprise to me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

File:CW+ 2017 Reach Map.png

Can you again delete the previous revisions on this image? Despite adding text saying 'stop uploading a larger version it's going to be reverted', another account did so today, and the seven-day wait is certainly not needed. Thank you. Nate • (chatter) 03:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mrschimpf,

Okay, I've never actually deleted file versions manually like this on File:CW+ 2017 Reach Map.png so let me know if I did anything incorrectly. I don't work much with files except when they pop up in speedy deletion categories. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

100% perfect. 👍🏽 I appreciate the speed. Nate • (chatter) 03:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I am an inconsistent responder to talk page messages. It's either immediate or I forget to even look at my talk page. It depends on if I'm busy working. It's definitely an area that I could improve on. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

General matrix notation of a VAR(p)

Hi Liz. I'm afraid there was some confusion with your intervention in Vector_autoregression - as you ultimately reintroduced a link to a page you had deleted. I'm not 100% sure of the best way to solve this (as I can't see the content of the deleted page), do you have an idea? Notice the main page has more links to the deleted page (e.g. under "Concise matrix notation"). Notifying QueensanditsCrazy who was involved --Toobaz (talk) 08:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz? --Toobaz (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

please restore Draft:Florian Krammer

Hi, could you please restore Draft:Florian Krammer. I ask promptly because sometimes in past an editor like yourself has deleted multiple articles in a row. This and other drafts of mine are valid article topics. --Doncram (talk) 06:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

P.S. I know I can request "refund" elsewhere but understand it is also okay to ask deleting editor, and I want to head off any new flurry of deletions without causing undue effort on part of others to restore them all. The articles in draft space are about historic sites and about historic architects and others associated with them. --Doncram (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Doncram,

I'm not sure what you mean by "in past an editor like yourself has deleted multiple articles in a row"...I delete a lot of CSD G13 stale drafts when they are eligible for deletion. It's not a matter of whether they are valid article topics or not, it is the assumption that after 6 months with no edits, that the draft has been abandoned.

G13 drafts can be restored upon request at WP:REFUND or by asking any administrator and so I'm happy to do so. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Nothing about you in particular, but there was recently another editor addressing articles which I suppose are on some new list of those "eligible for deletion". Looking it up, the discussion was this: User talk:Explicit/Archive 41#stop with the hotel deletions please; editor User:Explicit did restore all of about 10 historic hotel articles that they deleted. Those were 9 out of 53 drafts indexed at Talk:Historic Hotels of America/Draft articles that were all moved to Draftspace at the same time, of which 29 have been restored to mainspace, including one or two in the last week. I am working on these, sometimes with others' help, and disagree with their having been moved to Draftspace at all. There are also a number of drafted National Register of Historic Places articles which are obviously wikipedia-notable topics. Explicit suggested that all articles in Draft space created by me could be moved to my User space. I would prefer to have them kept in Draft space (including so that others can see and work on them, rather than conveying "ownership" and removing from view) but permanently removed from the deletion queue. Or to get notice before they are deleted / given some report. This should not cause more work than is necessary including edits and admin actions to undo what admin actions are done. Could you advise if there a bunch more about to be eligible for deletion, and/or how can that be headed off? --Doncram (talk) 07:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Question about draftifying

Hi I’d like to ask your advice please as I seem to be doing something wrong. When I review new pages I often find articles lacking proper sourcing that I want to move from mainspace to draft. However there us often an existing draft of the same title, usually because the creator has copy pasted from draft to mainspace. What I generally do then is tag the article as G6 so the existing draft can be deleted and I can draftify the mainspace page. Sometimes admins agree to this and sometimes they don’t. Am I doing the wrong thing, and what should I do instead in these situations? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 10:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

No, it's not you. Since the spring, I've been looking over the nightly "Draftification" report and there seems to be a growing number of editors who simply copy & paste articles that have been moved to Draft space back into a new main space version. I started a discussion about this at AFC back in June and there wasn't any agreement on how to handle it. And CSD A10 for duplicate articles doesn't cover having one version of an article in main space and another version in Draft space. It doesn't even cover having two identical versions of an article in Draft space. At least when I've tried tagging one draft version for speedy deletion in the past because it was a second copy, another admin has removed the tag and said it wasn't a valid criteria that could be applied in that situation.

What I've been doing lately is giving the editor, who usually is a new editor, a template warning about copy & paste moves with a personal note asking them to, in the future, either edit the draft copy or move the draftified article back to main space (which is allowed) rather than creating a second version. You could also turn the draft version into a redirect to the main space version but I realize that you're losing the original page history by doing this. A page merge is also possible at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge but this is typically not done if the page creator is the only editor on both pages.

Or you can try to tag the main space version as CSD G6 but, as you've seen, some speedy deletion assessments are a matter of judgment on the part of an admin. In another case, some admins believe CSD G4 (recreation of pages deleted in AFD discussions) applies to pages in Draft space and some admins think it doesn't, they believe it only applies to recreated articles in main space. There was a time when we had admins who would delete any page that had a speedy deletion tag, without even looking it over, but after desysoppings, those days are over and most admins who patrol CSD categories take the time to personally evaluate each request which means that your result could be different depending on who is evaluating the page. I know that when I evaluate CSD G5s (pages created by a ban-evading editor), I give more allowance if other editors have contributed to the page while other admins are much more strict about deleting pages created by a sockpuppet regardless of other editors' contributions.

So, I think if an article has already been draftified once, and in your judgment, it is really deficient, then AFD or PROD is the next step. Remember to state in an AFD rationale that the article has already been draftified once (or twice) because this fact will influence the response of some participants. I would only go to AFD if you think that an article can't be easily improved or if the page creator seems unusually obstinate. What we are also seeing in these situations is that as soon as the article gets tagged with an AFD, BOOM! suddenly the page creator wants to move it back to Draft space!

Those are just some observations. I have found it helpful to go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation or talk to AFC reviewers individually because they primarily deal with new editors and evaluating drafts and can offer me their opinion on whether a page has potential or should just be tagged for some form of deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much that’s really useful to know. Mccapra (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Bpoppen13

Hi Liz, you gave this user a short block a couple of days ago, perhaps they need a longer break (straight back in with G3 article creations). Thank you JW 1961 ^Talk 19:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Joseywales1961,

Thanks for your quick attention to this editor. They are now indefinitely blocked. I don't think they made even one positive edit to the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your rapid response - we seem to get a lot people just trying to mess up the place! JW 1961 ^Talk 20:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I continue to be impressed at the speed at which vandals are noticed. There is one persistent sockpuppet vandal who keeps returning and I swear, his edits are typically stopped within 10 minutes even though he targets obscure pages that I doubt are on many Watchlists. We have a lot of great editors who keep watch over recent changes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Statuette of the lady Tiye has been accepted

Statuette of the lady Tiye, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Hoary (talk) 21:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Of course, the stuff above is mere boilerplate automatically generated by the AfC process. Well, that draft, terrible though it was (see the comments on the draft), looked a lot more interesting than most drafts, even in the state it was in when you submitted it. It's still pretty rough; but it would survive AfD, and thus qualifies. Cross fingers that somebody who really knows about this stuff and has time and patience will land on it and work on it some more. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, wow, Hoary, you really went to work on this, you spent your time getting this into better shape. All I did was submit it for review. Congratulations to you! Thank you for putting the effort into this little article. I bet if Rheaemory ever returns they will be greatly surprised to see how the little draft they started became an article on Wikipedia. Thanks again! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Makita AWS refund

Hello Liz, would it be possible to have a refund of Draft:Makita AWS to User:Sladen/Makita AWS—it came up in conversation yesterday so the content is probably useful to rescue somewhere… Appreciations, —Sladen (talk) 07:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sladen,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request. Draft:Makita AWS was deleted simply for being a stale draft, G13, which can be restored upon request. So, I have done so and made a minor edit to the page to make sure it isn't eligible again for CSD G13 for another six months. It doesn't need to be moved to user space unless that is your preferred location. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Ihsan El-kousy

Hello! Cn you please let me know the reason why you deleted my article of Ihsan El-kousy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoda Sidani (talk • contribs) 15:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hoda Sidani,

Okay this is a bit complicated. I deleted IhsanAhmadAlkousy because it was a broken redirect. It originally redirected to Ihsan El-Kousy but then that page was deleted when Scope creep moved the page to Draft:Ihsan El-Kousy. Wikipedia doesn't allow redirects from the main space to Draft space so that it was why Ihsan El-Kousy was deleted. That made the redirect from IhsanAhmadAlkousy a red link, a broken redirect so that page was also deleted. Ihsan El-kousy was also deleted by EurekaLott as a broken redirect.

Does this help explain things? If your draft is approved by AFC and move back to main space, you are free to recreate the redirects that were deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Miki Agrawal???

hi liz!! im new to wiki & wanted to give a crack at my first AfC submission. im super interested in sustainability n i stumbled upon the Thinx wiki page. noticed that miki agrawal is in red --> which means that someone should look into possibly creating a page?? anyways, im interested in pursuing but wanted to ask you about your previous draft. don't want to step on any toes here!! maybe you just got bored lol all good, only wonderingggg xoxo -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Allthesensualsenses,

I deleted Draft:Miki Agrawal because under Wikipedia policy, it qualified for a Speedy deletion under G13 grounds in that it was a draft page that had gone at least 6 months without a human editor (not a bot editor) making an edit to the page. That was the only reason for deletion, that it appeared to be an abandoned draft.

But drafts deleted for G13 reasons can be restored upon request. So, you can either choose to start a new draft from scratch or I can restore the old draft and you can work with whatever the previous editor had put together...from what I can see, it was definitely a good start to an article, they had already put found some sources for the biography. Let me know if you would like it restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

hi, Liz thx so much! ill get started & will let u know if i need any help :) just wasn't sure if there was some other reason like not being notable, etc. appreciate it mucho!!! -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Allthesensualsenses,

Okay, I have restored it at Draft:Miki Agrawal. I'm not an expert on creating articles so if you find yourself stuck, I recommend visiting the Teahouse or Articles for Creation, two areas of Wikipedia that specialize in helping new editors. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz ur a blessing! i would've been sooo lost tysm for a great intro to creating pages :) -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Redeemer University

Hi Liz! I had tagged Redeemer University for deletion as a cut/paste move so that the page Redeemer University College could be moved to that title - The university underwent a name change and no longer has "college" in the title. Is there any way you can handle that or should I just re-tag it? Sorry for the confusion - I didn't catch it right away and so the edit history was a bit weird. In the future, do you know if there's a way for me to add that explanation somewhere? ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 12:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I suppose theoretically the redirects could just be switched, so that Redeemer University College redirects to the correct title, but that probably still breaks the page history we need for attribution, right? ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 12:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ThadeusOfNazereth,

Please start a discussion on Talk:Redeemer University College about moving the article to a new title. Do you have a source that establishes the name change? This article has a much longer and extensive edit history at this title and, if it is necessary, this page should be moved to a new name. But we are going to require some verification that the name of the school has changed. Please provide that on the article talk page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey Liz, Thanks for letting me know about the talk page - Yes, sources establishing it go back to the time of the change. Thankfully, somebody else beat me to the discussion. Is starting a discussion/listing at WP:Requested Moves a requirement, or just good practice? I've moved pages before, and want to make sure I follow whatever the norm would be in the future. Thanks again! ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 01:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

No, a talk page discussion is appropriate. Often the problem is that sometimes, article talk page don't get a lot of traffic. But if there is another editor who has started a discussion, that is good. No, it's not required to go to WP:Requested Moves but the name change should be noted in the article with a source provided, ideally an official source for the school. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Appeal against the deletion of Wikipedia article 'NIOA'

I would like to contest the deletion of the Wikipedia article 'NIOA', The company it described is notable in regards to being covered by the Australian national media such as Nine News Australia over its attempts to import Alder shotguns into Australia.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/gunsmiths-working-around-adler-ban/5fa66410-da25-4a67-b14b-123804a82c2b
The coverage are not exclusively promotive. The company have also gathered notability by being awarded a contract to supply ammunition to the Australian Defence Force and weapons to the New Zealand Defence Force.
https://adbr.com.au/nioa-awarded-land17-1c2-artillery-ammunition-contract/
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/1805-army-artillery-enhanced-under-100m-project/
https://www.army-technology.com/news/nioa-supply-30-different-munitions-australian-military/
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/key-enablers/1530-australian-sme-to-deliver-weapon-systems-to-nzdf/
The page can be changed into something more neutral. It can be saved. Please, give the page another chance. -- Hu753 (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hu753,

It is not a matter of convincing me that this article should exist. The article was deleted after an AFD decision, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NIOA, and any recreation in main space is subject to deletion by Wikipedia's guidelines on Speedy Deletion. All I can advise is that you work on a version of this article in Draft space and submit it to Articles for Creation for review. If it receives approval from an AFC reviewer, it can be moved back into the main space of the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Restoring The Wanksta36/sandbox2

Hi Liz!

Hope I'm doing this correctly. Seems my Sandbox2 page may have been deleted, as I mistakenly kept creating it as a page when I meant to just explore some functions. Can you restore? Thanks so much :)

Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by The wanksta36 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The wanksta36,

I won't restore The wanksta36/sandbox2 to keep it at this title, but I'll restore it to move to User:The wanksta36/sandbox2. However, you already have a page at this title, do you mind it being deleted or do you want to turn this page into User:The wanksta36/sandbox4? You can't have User pages in the main space of the project which is why it kept being deleted. Is that acceptable? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz!

Yes, restoring it to sandbox 4 would be great! Sorry for the inconvenience and mishap.

Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by The wanksta36 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Don't forget to sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~)! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Ali Fadhul/Archive 1

Author requested deletion with [12] it's a pretty clear WP:G7 (not to mention as an error, also a WP:G6). Regards, 95.67.131.232 (talk) 04:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP,

It's an article talk page archive, there is no one page creator. Everyone who participated on the article talk page helped create that page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

See [13] and [14]. The page itself has one author, who created it by accident, and promptly reversed the archival. You can check the archives at WT:CSD but it's pretty well established that g7 applies in these cases. Further as an obvious error WP:G6 also applies, but as you insist Thryduulf is an expert on this topic and one of the more conservative admins in matters of g6 who I'm nonetheless confident will confirm that in a few hours. Anyway it's early and I need to go for a jog, and then I have stuff to do during the day so follow up if needed will have to wait quite some time. Owing to circumstances beyond my control my IP is hopping everywhere so I'm trying to avoid extended discussion atm, but if really needed I may make an exception. Regards, 95.67.131.232 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archives may not be speedily deleted. Liz is also correct that that everyone who participated on that thread is an author. I've also removed the AfD notice as (1) AfD only deals with articles, MfD is the venue for pages in the talk namespace, (2) There is no way that a talk page archive will gain consensus for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

The mis-archived thread still exists at Talk:Ali Fadhul and all posters are correctly listed at its history. Qwirkle just mis-clicked on the "Archive" button by OneClickArchiver. This is a terrible exercise in bureaucracy; just speedy that per G6/G7, for God's sake. No such user (talk) 11:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Mlječanica

Would you please restore Mlječanica that has been prodded by someone? Don't know what the content was, but it's a populated place that should have an article per WP:GEOLAND, and a notable one because of the spa. It has an extensive page at sr:Мљечаница (Козарска Дубица). No such user (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Ping? No such user (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Got it at WP:REFUND instead. Do you even read your talk page messages? No such user (talk) 13:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, No such user,

Most days, I do. Sorry I didn't this time. I sometimes skip to the bottom of the page and miss messages farther up on the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:13, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:G5

With regard to diff and diff: the pages' creator (BruhOfficial) has been confirmed as a sock of D4rkeRR9 (please see the SPI) and it's just a matter of time before they are blocked. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Shed Simove

Hi Liz, just saw your notes. Thanks for letting me know about Shed's article. I was hoping he would get more coverage in the past 12 months but alas it was not to be. I'll repost something if that happens. DanDavidCook (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Matholela Moloi (November 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ThadeusOfNazereth was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Matholela Moloi and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Matholela Moloi, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 18:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Exchange article

Hi Liz, I was very surprised by the Bybit deletion to be honest, which was done without any discussion or community consensus. I know that crypto subjects are not well liked on Wikipedia per WP:GS/Crypto, so I know that it's a good idea to stay out of small companies. I would personally agree that over 90% of all new crypto-related articles are not notable enough, but anyone in the crypto community can tell you that Bybit is definitely notable as one of the best-known exchanges.

However, this company is very notable and one of the top 3 exchanges, with a lot of notable news from credible publications. A7 doesn't apply if you check all the citations. I also tried not to make the page sound promotional, even though many of the sources looked like PR. I also noticed that someone else has another draft at Draft:Bybit, but that version was very poorly written. That was why I wanted to give the draft a complete rewrite.

This is the equivalent of deleting something like Venmo or Squarespace simply because someone who doesn't know much about the industry thinks they are "A7". As a result, this article should be reviewed by editors who are actually knowledgeable about this industry.

Also this is clearly not promotion at all, since I don't even work for any crypto companies, but am just an amateur crypto enthusiast. They are one of the top 3 crypto derivatives exchange, so there's no way that they wouldn't be notable at all. This was supported by the citations that I provided. If this was the issue, I can revise and republish.

Thanks! All the best.

Ferrousmeteor8 (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ferrousmeteor8,

There is a skepticism about crypto-currencies on Wikipedia because there are so many people online trying to hype them up. I'd be willing to restore this as a draft, to replace that terrible draft, if you agree to submit it to AFC for review. Perhaps you can find an AFC reviewer who is knowledgeable about crpyto-currencies who can the draft. You might even ask at WikiProject Cryptocurrency if anyone there had any recommendations although their talk page doesn't seem to be very active. What do you think? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion rejection

One editor suggested that change, the other moved to a similar title because a manual move was impossible, but the same later acknowledged (in another place) that the shorter title was best. The talk page discussion isn't primarily about the title, it was mentioned in passing without any opposition being voiced. So, I see no grounds to reject a speedy move. Avilich (talk) 23:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Avilich,

You stated in your CSD tag that there was consensus for this move and I don't see any consensus on the article talk page. Those are my grounds for declining to take action. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, not in that talk page, but, as I've shown now, all 3 editors -- me, Jenhawk777, and Editor2020 -- agree on the shorter one. Can't we skip several procedures here? Avilich (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of your answer, I brought the issue up in the talk page. Thanks for taking the time. Avilich (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for starting a discussion there. Recently, there has been a lot of disagreements and disputes over titles of articles for this historical era and I'm reluctant to move a major article based on one editor's opinion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Can you help me out here? One Materialscientist, apparently with no clue whatsoever, has now reverted my tag again, this time without explanation, even though I did exactly what I said above, and all 3 involved editors, this time in the talk page, have now declared in favor of a move. Avilich (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:165 BC deaths

A tag has been placed on Category:165 BC deaths indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, UnitedStatesian, you beat me to it. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Pokémon competitive play

Pokémon competitive play was moved, blanked and CSD'ed. The redirect from the move should be restored. There are many incoming links. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Draft:William Lanson

Hello Liz,

I have created a new page about William Lanson. I had clicked on the "publish"button months ago, but the page hasn't been published. What do I need to do?

Also, I have expanded a stub about George Henry Durrie, and would like to how I can create a table of contents.

Thank you,

Ivor SopwithIvor Sopwith (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ivor Sopwith,

You need to submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Just go to the AFC page and copy the submit code and add it to the top of the page. I encourage you to submit it to AFC for review but if you don't add the code to the page, no one knows the draft is there and ready for a review.

Whether or not there is a table of contents depends on how many sections there are on the page. I believe that there is a table of contents if there are four or more sections with headers on the page. The format of the article will automatically generate a table of contents, it's nothing you can add. If you have questions about article creation and editing on Wikipedia, the best place to go is the Teahouse or AFC. There are editors there who are more experienced than I am with content creation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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I don't think that could solve the type of problem in this case.

I have been editing for 10 years and I find such suggestions abusive, I can't see how that would lead to anything but me spending time on nothing. The topic is not policies but willingness to solve an issue. I am quite content with what I have achieved in Wikipedia, and leave it with that, and just conclude some things are just not possible. I put my efforts in other things right now.

Thanks for the invitation, hope it was good ment but not that well considered?

--Zzalpha (talk) 07:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zzalpha,

Abusive? I was trying to offer you a suggestion of where you could get some support from fellow editors. You have less that 500 edits, I didn't view you as a long-time, experienced editor and your post on Firefly's talk page sounded like you had some basic questions about how to keep a draft article from being deleted.

I'm sorry if you found it offensive. That was not my intention. I won't bother you again. Good luck with your article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Gillian Brown - deleted draft (Tyzer007/GillianBrown)

Hi, I've been asked by the actress Gillian Brown to help set-up a wiki page about her and her work. She was previously working with Tyzer007 but for various reasons that have parted company. I am new to wiki but find Tyzer007 draft has been deleted before I was able to look at what had been written (Tyzer007/GillianBrown). Is it possible to restore the draft so that I can at least make a copy of it please? I will need to read up on how to set up a page and edit, but it would just be nice to have a copy of the material as to my knowledge the draft was the only copy. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almoore99 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Almoore99,

It looks like Draft:Gillian Brown (actress) has been restored already. Please disclose your conflict-of-interest on your User page and state whether you are being compensated for editing this article or any others. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure for more information.

If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for LiveWorkPlay

An editor has asked for a deletion review of LiveWorkPlay. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Extraordinary Writ,

Thanks for letting me know. It was a pretty straight-forward speedy deletion case. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The Life of Immigrants in California

Hi @Liz, I thought you'd like to know that a page you previously deleted has recently popped back into existence. It's quite uncanny. Salimfadhley (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

pls restore historic hotels articles, and stop deleting any more

Hi, could you please restore Draft:Hotel La Rose, Draft:Stonepine Estate, and Draft:La Valencia Hotel. These are all valid Wikipedia articles, on historic hotels. I think i already addressed you on some others in this group. About 50 or so were moved to draft space in an unfair-in-my-view ANI proceeding, more than half have been restored to mainspace, but i have not yet gotten to these ones. Also, could you or someone inform me in advance about what you or they are going to delete? Again, these are all valid, i don't do shit work, FWIW. --Doncram (talk) 05:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Doncram,

I knew that you would come over and complain about a valid CSD G13 deletion so I tagged them for deletion to inform you about their status but I didn't actually do the deletion. You'll have to go complain to another administrator who actually deleted them or go to WP:REFUND. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

That hardly seems helpful. You knew it was invalid and that I would point that out to you? Could you please just restore them now, please. And/or ask whoever else you want to blame for doing the invalid deletion, to restore them. You know what you have done. Fix it now please. --Doncram (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

They were not invalid. They were eligible for CSD G13 speedy deletion. They appeared on the G13 eligible list. So, I tagged them and posted a noticed to your talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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List of Alvin and the Chipmunks characters

Hey there. I noticed that you speedy deleted List of Alvin and the Chipmunks characters, and I fear that something's not right here. I don't understand why most of this happened, but it appears that User:MegaSmike46 split the characters section of Alvin and the Chipmunks into a new article without tagging it appropriately. Another editor mistakenly tagged it as a copyvio of some random Tumblr page, which I declined (and then I added the relevant copied-from information on the talk page). MegaSmike46 then mostly-blanked the page and moved it to draftspace, which I thought was inappropriate for established content, so I reverted it. MegaSmike46 then blanked the article entirely and tagged it for G7 deletion, which you performed.

In any case, G7 was clearly not appropriate here—it amounts to claiming others' work as one's own. I think that either the article should be restored or some version of the information should be re-inserted in the main article. It wasn't the best material, but at least some of it was referenced. What do you think? - Eureka Lott 01:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eureka Lott,

Well, User:MegaSmike46 created that page and then later tagged it for deletion as a request from the page creator. And since there were no substantial contributions from other editors, there was no reason to decline their request. Do you know what page they might have split the material to? I could look into the page deleted via copyright violations. It could be there was a version before the copyright violations were added that could be restored. A link to any deleted pages would be helpful. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Or, you could revert their edits to Alvin and the Chipmunks. It looks like they took material from that page. Sorry I didn't quite understand your message on the first reading. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Eureka Lott, I just did the revert myself. If this results in a talk page discussion, you might need to go there to make your case. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Another chunk of the Alvin and the Chipmunks article was split to List of Alvin and the Chipmunks specials & home video releases, so I'll remove that section from the main article again and tag the new page appropriately. - Eureka Lott 02:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Category restore

Hello, Liz. I accepted a recent AfC submission that would now populate Category:Comic strips started in the 1920s. When I clicked the red link to create the page, I got this note:

A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted.

If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.

• 16:26, 12 October 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Category:Comic strips started in the 1920s (C1: Empty category) (thank)

I figured restoring the previous history would be better than making a new page. Could you please undelete the page?
Thanks, 2pou (talk) 06:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 2pou,

 Done Empty categories are one of the easiest, simplest kinds of page restoration. If it is needed, then it can be restored upon request. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:43, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Query

I believe you may have inadvertently deleted my second sandbox page? at https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ACBDB.CBDB%2Fsandbox02 Still a newbie at this but Is there a way to get it back again?CBDB.CBDB (talk) 00:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CBDB.CBDB,

No, this wasn't an inadvertent mistake. This page had copyright infringements from several different sources. The deletion notice on User:CBDB.CBDB/sandbox02 lists the sources. You can't copy content from another source and place it on a page on Wikipedia for legal reasons. We must delete it when we discover it. All articles have to be original content.

If you have questions about article creation or copyright guidelines, the best place to go is the Teahouse where experienced editors can answer your questions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware that I used that page to keep my sources and references and text snatches, which I was working on, with sentences going to be properly referenced. I was under the impression that sandboxes have slightly different rules in order to support this kind of sand-box work. Is that not the case? Sorry to have to ask, and I will head to the tea house, but just the sandbox issue would be good to know as I am preparing my first pages in the sand box. (P.s. I feel lost without wysiwyg editor.) Thank you. CBDB.CBDB (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CBDB.CBDB,

Copyright rules apply everywhere on Wikipedia, even talk pages. As far as Sandboxes, they are not subject to some forms of speedy deletion which are applied if you put your page directly into the main space of the project. For example, you could have a blank page in your User space or a page without any references and that is fine, but if it was in the main space, it could be deleted. Other forms of speedy deletion, like copyright and promotion/advertising, do apply everywhere.

If you go into your Editor Preferences and enable email (associate an email address with your account), I could email the content to you but I can't restore it on any page on Wikipedia. Then, if you choose to, you could disable your email if you don't want anyone to be able to contact you via email. It's under your control. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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I wanted to thank you for some pages you deleted today after I moved them. These pages were created by user Washington Lincoln (talk · contribs), who seems to have created several pages with issues and also seems to do a lot of page moving, maybe even when not necessary or appropriate. I noticed you had posted on their talk page before, as have I recently, attempting to help this user, but they are not communicative... at all. I wanted to ask if you were perhaps keeping an eye on the situation? I think it would be good to try and steer this person in the right direction, before their editing becomes problematic and has to be dealt with formally. Anyway, t'was just a thought. Lemme know if you have thoughts on this yourself, if you'd care to share. Cheers - wolf 09:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi again. There still seems to be an ongoing issue with this user, specifically article creation, page moves and refusal to communicate. I noted you had posted a warning on their talk page previously, and wanted to know if you might be able to follow up on this situation. If you could let me know one way or another, it would be appreciated. Thanks - wolf 15:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Bad actor

That's interesting. In fact, I created the article, then decided that I should wait a couple of weeks to see if better sourcing would appear, since the overall outline depended heavily on one article in Slate, backed up by the same contemporaneous sources that the Slate article was using. I'm hoping that some broader research emerges. While it's not a BLP, I had second thoughts and decided I'd like to see more before publishing. Acroterion (talk) 02:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Acroterion,

I didn't look at the deleted article after seeing its history (that only you had edited it) so I have no idea what that editor was referring to. Do you? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Miller was a noteworthy antivaxxer of the 1950s, who was convinced that polio was a nutritional problem brought about by soft drinks, refined flour, and sugar in general. In some ways he was ahead of his time, and he followed a playbook that has seen considerable use in the past year. Obviously, he has relevance nowadays. Acroterion (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I get it. I see the "political" nature of this article. That must have been a widely-read Slate article for a reader to go searching and find the deleted page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Google cached it, so the article shows up at the head of the Google search rankings, and of course then leads to the notice that it was deleted. In point of fact, I'm seeing some more material now, so I think I'll reinstate it and expand it. Acroterion (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It must be nice to know your work is in hot demand! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely relevant. I've restored it, minus the userspace development edits, and added a couple more references. It's a bit eerie to see how closely it parallels current events, and how the U.S. Attorney was able to enforce mail fraud statutes in those days. Acroterion (talk) 03:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

About the article NOlympics LA

I had noticed that the article was created. So I wanted to add more information, I tried my best to add sources but my edits were biased and the user thinks that I am grammarly inncorrect. Any thoughts and advice? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd,

I posted a notice on their talk page. Unfortunately, they seem to be focused on this one particular article but they are very new so I'd just give it a little time. You could try starting a discussion on the article talk page. Let me know if there are ownership issues down the road. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there is anything I can do to make unbiased edits? I stopped making biased edits. Also, I cannot find any good sources that were critical of the organization. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'd be very careful about using words like "controversial" and "notorious" unless they are backed by sources. That's not neutral. The easiest thing to do though is to spend your time on other articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

CFI Financial

Hii Liz. Thanks for passing by on CFI Financial. I am Dr. Rami Tarawneh. I am a wikipedian for almost two decades. Sadly, even with my four wikimanias, we did not cross paths. I contribute mostly on Arabic wikipedia. I was an admin, CU, and Bero there, until the will-known Egypt incident. That was when Jimbo tweeted that I was a hero. I am co-founder of Wikimedians of the Levant usergroup, and a Member of the organizing committee of Wikiarabia 2016 Conference. I am also an admin on commons for almost 15 years now. I can assure you that neither me nor my students are associated with CFI Financial. CFI Financial entity was checked by a team in the University. All articles the students work on are initially screened by a team of five professors to make sure that it is eligible and had the Notability required. We have a huge program at the university (NUCT). Actually I started programs in three major universities in Jordan; JU, AHU, and NUCT. I know the pressure when handling new articles. I have been here. I totally understand the process, and appreciate the efforts. I know we all have lots to do in the real world, but I would apprentice it if you have another pass on the article. --Tarawneh (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Torn (2013 American film)

Hi Liz. Someone moved Torn (2013 American film) to User:Torn for some reason and you fixed that. Is the redirect still needed or should the user page be tagged for deletion per WP:U2? FWIW, I came across this because the movie poster being used in the infobox was flagged for a WP:NFCC#9 due to the move. That's no longer a problem since you reverted the move, but I just noticed the redirect on the user page and was wondering if it's needed anymore. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Marchjuly,

It looks like Fastily deleted the redirect. It wasn't needed, especially because it was from a nonexistent user page, and I probably should have taken care of it myself but I didn't notice it at the time. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'll try to be a bit faster responding to messages. It was a strange page move for this editor, I don't know what prompted them to move the page unless they have another article they wanted to use that main space title for. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

There was no great rush Liz. I was just curious as to whether there was some reason for keeping the page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Nico Estevez

Hi there! I saw that you removed the G13 tag on the draft, but I added it mainly because there is already a published article for the draft: Nico Estévez. How can I nominate this draft for deletion properly?

Thank you, BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 17:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BrazilianDude70

Okay, I see two options. If you use Twinkle, tag it CSD G6 "Housekeeping and non-controversial cleanup" and in the rationale field, write "Duplicate of Nico Estévez. An admin will have to evaluate the reason but some will accept that reason. OR, you could choose to turn the page into a redirect from Draft space to Nico Estévez. There are thousands of redirects from Draft space to main space versions of the articles. They are not very helpful as redirects because readers aren't searching in Draft space for articles but. nonetheless, they exist. You could try nominating it for deletion at MFD but I'm not sure it would be successful and how much time do you want to spend on this page?

Wikipedia allows a lot of leeway in Draft space for all kinds of pages that would not be acceptable in the main space of the project. And if no one edits the page, it can be deleted as a CSD G13 in six months and then will disappear. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Very helpful, thank you very much! BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Truls Klausen

Hi Liz, how come you G13-deleted this draft? I expanded it earlier today, so it was no longer abandoned. I didn't tag it with {{submit}} because if I did and it got mainspaced, it would then be credited as my creation, which would be wrong (the creator is indef-blocked, as I noted in the edit summary for my second, longer edit). Doesn't the automatically generated G13 tag go away when a draft is edited? Or was I too late? Please restore it (per IAR if I was indeed too late; there was time for one of the reviewers I pinged in the edit summary to thank me). Thanks if you do. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yngvadottir,

I'm so sorry, I'm very careful looking over drafts but it looks like I made a mistake here. My only excuse is that today we have two lists we are working with, drafts whose last edit was May 30th and those whose last edit was May 31st (since there is no November 31st) so that's over 400 drafts to look over. I apologize and have restored the page. Of course, expired drafts can be restored upon request but that's not necessary since I erred this time. Again, I'm sorry for my blunder. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I have a more informative, but much longer, answer about how we used to handle expiring drafts, how everything was changed by a bot in September 2020, how we handle things now, how it's now become my main task on Wikipedia, the huge importance of talk page notices to page creators and more should you want to know more about our increasing number of G13s. May be more suitable for an email message though. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It would probably just make my head spin :-) I hate the way AfC has been weaponized; it's almost impossible to get an article out of there now once an admin has draftified it, especially if it's on a company, and I have the impression it would be a terrible violation of some sort for me to just move such articles myself after working on them. (And I'd be bound to miss some machine-readable point of process normally done by the AfC helper script.) But it follows inevitably from the professionalization of both NPP and AfC, where both have become rights to use a script, so they attract even more gatekeeper-minded editors than they used to. And from where I sit, the viewpoint that business-related articles are almost ineevitably promotional and that promotion on businesses is one of the biggest dangers to the project is a very common one, notably among admins (Iridescent once told me it's the view of only a small group; I wish I didn't keep seeing evidence of its effectively representing consensus). And beyond that, I remember that AfC was supposed to offer guidance and so I and others used to recommend it to new editors as a way to get knowledgeable help and a higher chance of their article surviving after mainspacing; it's been years since I can recommend it at all, since all I see is drafts being templated with uninformative rejection messages, including those that say continued submission risks the article being permanently failed, and those that include a big red stop sign because a single reviewer has decided the topic is unsuitable for Wikipedia. Then the draft gets deleted 6 months later and nobody is any the wiser (including admins; who's conscientious enough to search including draft space even if they can see the deleted versions?) And since we don't link to draft space from mainspace, there won't even be suggestive redlinks; even pre-existing redlinks will likely have been removed if the page was draftified.

But I have no solutions to offer: Kudpung was very proud of that professionalization, so it must have had merits; I do believe business promotion being a dire threat to Wikipedia is the dominant/consensus viewpoint, and my viewpoint that that's a form of bias and there are in any case much more serious threats, a minority view; despite limiting article creation to confirmed editors, we still get floods of new pages that merit speedy deletion, I saw the firehose and samples of the defamatory ones when I was an admin, and I've thought for many years that one of our problems is that many new editors are unfamiliar with the concept of an encyclopedia; and Hanlon's razor: the Klausen draft is from one of the last batches by an incompetent editor (who used AfC! one of the complaints against them was that they kept "spamming" AfC), incompetence is real, and the Norwegian Wikipedia article is unreferenced, possibly not unrelated to the fact that the Norwegian newspapers are mostly paywalled and their older archives may not even have been digitized, in which Norway is hardly alone (the UK is worse except for the tabloids, and unfortunately we aren't allowed to use the Mail even from when it was simply mass-market and thus covered un-snobbish stuff like fat cats and criminal convictions, rather than bending the law and playing fast and loose with the truth)—no solution comes to mind for people being terrible at article-writing, persisting in using machine translations even when we keep repeating we don't want them, or shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Wikipedia editors access to their online archive so they can get lots of lovely traffic. And my usual caveat to those who are unaware: I probably shouldn't even express an opinion on policy matters of problems for the project, since not only did I decline to run for admin again for personal reasons, so it may be entirely my fault that I can't fix stuff, but I now try to keep to 99 edits a month and have so far as I am able, stopped creating new articles, because it makes me ill to appear to endorse the WMF by just continuing as usual as if Framgate hadn't happened or as if they had ever apologized to us for that or any of their other demonstrations of contempt and claims that we work for them. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I just scanned over this and need to digest it thoroughly to give you a decent response. You've given me a lot to think about. I have mainly talked about the situation with AFC with DGG who has his own concerns that he could express to you. What I see, at my end, are abandoned drafts and I'd say half of them were never submitted to AFC and the other half were rejected by an AFC reviewer. While persistent paid editors get all of the attention & worry, I mainly see editors who make an attempt at article writing (most of the time, it's not very good or ever terrible) who leave at their first rejection. I don't know how to get them to stick around and work at getting better at it. I frequently see editors who spend a few hours one day trying to write an article and then give up and don't come back. How do you persuade people to put in the time to improve? I don't know.

For the rest of this, I will return and reply later. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Karl Taylor (boxer)

Hi Liz. Delete the article talk page that is Talk:Karl Taylor (boxer) and The article never exists so it's also meet's G3 I believe. 68.193.199.8 (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for tagging that page. It is very hard to stumble upon orphaned talk pages. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. 68.193.199.8 (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

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CSD of Thompson, Sanford, & Ginocchio

I tagged it a second time thinking another Admin might see it differently, or if it were you again, you might look closer. The actual name of this firm is "Thompson, Sanders and Ginocchio". That is SANDERS, not SANFORD. There is a redirect Thompson, Sanders and Ginocchio, which is obviously useful. But I created this one hastily, and think it is implausible because it uses a totally different name which is not a common typo or natural misspelling. Your original comment was "this seems like a reasonable redirect as an alternative name mentioned in the article", which applies to the version with SANDERS but not this one. Thanks. MB 14:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MB,

Thanks for spelling it out for me in clear, block letters so I can understand it. I spend a lot of time editing and sometimes I miss the obvious. Sorry. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

What on earth is going on?

Hi Liz-- I've got a bit of an odd situation going on and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I've never seen anything like this before and was wondering if you might offer your input. While scrolling through new pages, I encountered the page Pindiga, which at first appeared to be pure vandalism. I was about to tag it for deletion until I saw the edit history, where the author of the page said that the "nonsense information" will be erased and replaced with real information about a Nigerian town. What is going on here and what do you suggest I do? Thanks, Helen(💬📖) 02:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen,

I see I've already left this editor warning messages from earlier this year. I deleted the page. You can't warn off other editors from editing a page or say that you're going to start with joke edits. If they want to write a serious article, they now have a clean slate. I'd like to ask you to look over his recently created redirects but you might want to keep your distance from them. It's your call. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m not a new pages reviewer, but the redirects to Mrs. Doubtfire seem fine to me. I’ve watched the movie and know that Lydia, Chris, Natty, Winston, Miranda, and Daniel are all characters. I’m not aware of any policy against making redirects for fictional characters-- if that were the case, I don't think Billy Loomis or Stu Macher would redirect to List of Scream (film series) characters). Helen(💬📖) 03:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I trust your judgment. I'm not familiar with the film but unless there are last names, it seems like those could be names of lots of fictional characters. I just saw that a number of his redirects had been nominated at WP:RFD. Thanks for checking. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, the names on the redirects do have last names. I just shortened it to their first names in this message for brevity. Helen(💬📖) 03:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Accusations of conducting a "cut-and-paste move"

Hi Liz, on my talk page you incorrectly accused me of conducting a "cut-and-paste move". This is incorrect - I created a page at Philippe Lavigne, user:dan_arndt moved it to Draft:Philippe Lavigne and flagged the original page for speedy deletion. In the 23 minutes it took for me to notice this and find references, the original page had been deleted - so I recreated it with the sources/references included. All edits incorporated in the page were done by me, so there was no risk of attribution being missed. The page I created should not have been speedily deleted in the first place, as it was obvious that it was notable (chief of a UN nation's military) and information contained therein was factual (easily verified by googling or checking the french language article). If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to let me know. SECProto (talk) 03:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SECProto,

Draft:Philippe Lavigne has never been deleted. Philippe Lavigne was deleted but it was a redirect from main space to draft space, it didn't have any content other than a link. The proper step if you disagree with an article being moved to Draft space is to move the draft back into main space of the project, not start a new version of the article in main space. You are completely free to disagree with an article being "draftified". Now, there are two articles, one in main space, one in draft space. I agree there aren't problems with attribution, I just want to discourage you from doing this again in the future, just move the draft back. It was just a notice, it was not intended as a warning. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Roger, how do I move the draft back", when it contains no content or edits that would be maintained? The history that it contains is my creation, people moving it to draft, person adding "draft" categorization stuff, and my adding references. The first and last are reflected in the history of the main article, and the other three edits are not relevant to the real article. I also can't move it to article space without overwriting the current cited article, which has since had 6 useful edits from others adding categorization etc. I think the best step moving forward would be to delete the draft article, but I don't know how to do that. SECProto (talk) 04:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I added it to Category:Candidates for history merging for an admin to merge their edit history. SECProto (talk) 04:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members

Hello Liz, could your restore Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members? There is now a member implementing the userbox on their user page, thank you. Jerm (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jerm,

 Done Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members is restored but is empty right now. If it still empty at 01:02 UTC Friday, it'll appear on the Empty Category list and be tagged again. But it needs to be tagged for 7 days before it will be deleted again. So, you might want to assign a page to it before then. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and it's now in use but by one person. It's a start though. Jerm (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: User page disruption

Thank you for your help Liz. All seems to be in order. Have a good day. :) Samuel J Walker (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Samuel J Walker,

I think he's a very young editor but I found he did the same thing back in September. I only saw it because the bad page move was tagged for speedy deletion. If you are ever personally harassed like this with silly vandalism, just bring it to the attention of an active administrator. You shouldn't have to put up with this nonsense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Will do, thank you. Samuel J Walker (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Remove Speedy Deletion for Deri Lorus (singer)

Hi, this user KH-1 always placing the tag on the article I've created. Nonsmoker0000 (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I need some assistance on Deri Lorus (singer) page. A user continues to placing the CSD for an article. Not allowing me to do anything. Help me. Thank you! Nonsmoker0000 (talk) 08:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Note that Nonsmoker0000 is probably a sock of IveMadeAn for removal of the CSD template. JavaHurricane 08:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Blocked, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Spreadmediaglobal. JavaHurricane 09:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

• Nonsmoker0000 is indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet. JBW (talk) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Hi, Iam Dhaneesh Ram, Just I saw that article Deri Lorus (singer) has been deleted.and he is a popular music director in Tamil Nadu. You can Know about him here Previously article about him is deleted many times as of, article doesn't meet notability guidelines. But now he is notable person. So please can you have a look on this issue. Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 10:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Other uploads by WMF-banned sockpuppet

Hey again. Thanks for deleting the uploads that I tagged. Other uploads by Meganesia still remain. What to do with them? --George Ho (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, George Ho,

This is a bit complicated because of the intertwining block log of both the sockpuppeteer and the sockpuppet so they sat into CSD categories for a while. I think it's best for you to tag them so that some admin can look them over if I'm busy. I'm not always a fan of your campaign to delete sound files from the project but in this case I agree. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

"campaign to delete sound files" is a fairly extreme mischaracterization of WP:NFCC#3a/WP:NFCC#8 enforcement. Although it may appear counter-productive, there are important legal reasons for enforcing WP:NFCC, so you should be thanking George instead of chastising him. -FASTILY 02:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I just see the files tagged for deletion and I mourn the loss of some great music from articles on the project. But if this must be done, that's fine, I follow the rules and delete the files. I just regret that we can't keep them. I think they add a lot to our articles on musicians and bands. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

George Ho, I apologize if I offended you. I realize you are just doing your job. I just miss the musical tunes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Undelete Carowinds and talk page

You deleted the Carowinds talk page per G8 but the page Carowinds should never have been deleted. There was an ongoing discussion on that talk page, and you deleted it. See the discussion at User talk:Jimfbleak. Both the primary article page and the talk page should be restored immediately. There was no valid rationale for its deletion.—JlACEer (talk) 05:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, JlACEer,

The page appeared on Wikipedia:Database reports/Orphaned talk pages and orphaned talk pages are deleted. If the article is restored at Wikipedia:REFUND or Wikipedia:Deletion review, the talk page will be restored. I've pinged the deleting administrator to the REFUND discussion and I'd have to hear from him before restoring the article or talk page. Have patience, the right decision will happen, it might take a few days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:17, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the reassurance that these pages can be restored. I think it's obvious that user:Jimfbleak failed to do due diligence prior to deleting the article and I do feel that he needs to be admonished for his carelessness. As others have pointed out, a simple comparison of dates would have revealed that the alleged copyright violation involved nothing more than a parrot site. There was no notice, no discussion, no warning, no rollback to a previous version. The G12 criteria specifically states: "Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety; earlier versions without infringement should be retained," yet nothing was retained. user:Jimfbleak completely ignored Wikipedia policy.—JlACEer (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you so much for your advice . Will make sure to follow ! Akbar1972 (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Akbar1972,

Thank you for the barnstar! Good luck with your article...creating a new article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia so if you need help and support, remember the Teahouse! Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Category Importance for the Sports Project

Hello Liz, I hope your doing well. I am new editor and have been working in the sports projects and education project. I noticed there is not importance categories available in the sports project and tried to create it and noticed you had deleted a page previously. Or that is the notification I saw anyway. I was wondering if you could let me know what has happened in the past with the project categories and if I could create importance categories for the sports project? DannyHatcher (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DannyHatcher,

Could you give me an example of a category that you want to create that has been deleted? Then I could see whether it was deleted through a discussion or whether it was deleted simply because it was empty. If you are talking about WikiProject article assessment categories, we deleted a lot of those over the summer for WikiProjects that are inactive or defunct and not assessing articles any longer so it's unlikely those would be recreated. Taking on article assessment for a WikiProject involves a lot of editors willing to take on the responsibility and isn't a one person job.

Oh, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you dove in and found some work you are finding enjoyable. Although Wikipedia has been around for almost 21 years, there is still a lot of work to do! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: ah it might have been inactive as many of the editors in the sports field seem to be in smaller more specific projects. I was referring to the high, medium, low importance for articles. I am going through sport science articles and there are lots of them which I have categorized myself on my user page but it is becoming quite long and cumbersome to organize. I was hoping I could categorize them with tags or project categories so I could use the table like view. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, enjoying it so far, and yes, lots of work to be done. DannyHatcher (talk) 01:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

An example or two would still help, but, yes, it sounds like you are talking about article assessment categories. I know they were deleted for the defunct WikiProjects (WikiProjects that haven't been active in 5 or more years) and also some inactive ones (which have typically been inactive for 2 years or more). Reviving a WikiProject is a big undertaking, I think they usually suggest having at least 3-5 other editors to assist.

You could try inquiring at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council which oversees proposals for new WikiProjects but they aren't terribly active these days. WikiProjects were huge on Wikipedia around 2006-2013, with thousands of them flourishing but now there are just a few hundred ones that are reliably active. It's hard to maintain a high activity level for years as many people's real lives get busy and they don't have time to work on Wikipedia at the level they did when they were in school or when they were single or when they were at another stage of their life. Having kids, new jobs, moving to a new location, illness, real life can interrupt the editing work of even the most devoted editors. It's amazing that we have editors here who have been active for over 15 years! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Liz:. I have left a message in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council page about the categories. I have spoken with a few editors on some of the pages and they only do a couple of edits when they can which is why the project page looks inactive. My goal would be just to get the importance up so I can focus on some articles to get some other people involved. It is too messy at the moment to get the other people I know involved. I have made the category pages, best as I can but the Sports template doesn't seem to be attaching the new categories and I don't have admin privileges to change anything in there. I assume that is the last bit I am missing. Any help would be appreciated. :) DannyHatcher (talk) 21:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Rewriting page you deleted

Hello. I would like to rewrite from scratch a page that you deleted. Can you please enable the page to be rewritten. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prasanna_Coomar_Tagore

Anderson1970 (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Anderson1970,

Prasanna Coomar Tagore was just a redirect, an empty page with a link to another page, in this case, Prasanna Kumar Tagore. It doesn't make sense to recreate a redirect unless the target page exists. Prasanna Kumar Tagore was deleted by MER-C for copyright problems so you will have to ask them whether or not they are willing to restore that page. It will probably depend on whether or not they can find a version of the page that isn't plagued by copyright problems. They are the best judge of that. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Talkback: you've got messages!

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RE: President of the European University Institute (or TWINKLE)

Thanks for letting me know. I checked my preferences, and the checkbox is checked for all CSD related templates Twinkle can add. That pertains to the technical aspect - the social aspect is less straightforward. Is there a policy or help page about this? I'm a bit uncertain how to balance between WP:GOODFAITH and WP:DENY. I tend to lean towards WP:DENY more, as a result of experiences doing admin work on MediaWiki.org. —Mainframe98 _talk 13:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article Stewart Vaughan

Dear Liz, Thank you for your e-mail. First, may I say, for the reason that follows, that, apart from the odd spelling correction, I have hardly touched wikipedia for over a year. I will have to go back to the online course I took and learn how to do it again. Then I will have to practice, doing minor edits to existing pages (when justified, obviously). I still consider Wikipedia to be the top reliable resource on the web, and when I did my online course, I was very happy. The reason I stopped, is the deletion of my article. As I say in a previous talk, I have seen many articles that are far less referenced than mine, and they have not been deleted. If you Google ["Stewart Vaughan" theatre], you will find that Google reference him substantially. So I cannot understand the disdain with which my initial article was deleted. Jimmy Wales sent me a request for money. For the first time, I declined. As I say above, I love and respect wikipedia. I want to be able to contribute again. So, as I also say above, I will relearn how to do it, and then I will request the undeletion of my page. This will take time, so there is no hurry from my end; as long as delaying doesn't mean the article, into which I put a lot of work will be squashed forever. I have you have any advice for me of how to "get back on the horse", I would be grateful. Thanks. Kirkleyditch (talk) 13:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kirkleyditch,

Upon your request, I have restored Draft:Stewart Vaughan. You have access to the entire history of the article, all edits. But this is the third restoration and I think that it's unlikely that an admin will restore it a fourth time so please continue to work on it, even a little bit at a time, so it doesn't fall into "stale draft" territory (6 months with no human edits).

If you have questions about an AFC review, it's best to go directly to the reviewer and ask them about it or, if they are slow to respond, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk or the Teahouse to get some more information on what you can do to meet their approval. Sometimes it's just 1 or 2 better references or some copyediting. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article J. Craig Wheeler

I've been updating this article for a former president of the American Astronomical Society and Fellow of the American Physical Society. Please undelete so I can save my last edit. Thankyou. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, StarryGrandma,

I don't understand your request. J. Craig Wheeler page was deleted in 2006 and the entire content of the page was:

"J. Craig Wheeler was a twentieth century American astrophysicist.""

That's it. I don't see any recent edits to the page. If you are working on a draft, I'd just move it over to this title. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, it was Draft:J. Craig Wheeler that I was editing when it disappeared. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, StarryGrandma, this is my fault. Draft:J. Craig Wheeler is restored. I don't know how I missed seeing your recent edits. I look over hundreds of expiring drafts each day and this is the second time in a week I deleted a draft for being stale that had a recent edit to it. I don't remember this happening since I took on this task in September 2020. I think it's a sign I need to slow down. My apologies to you. Thank you for coming to me, I'm glad this blunder had an easy solution. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma Bunting topic

Hi Liz, with regards to your tag removal, to clarify, I am looking to create a fresh article at that topic unrelated to the redirect, and wished to remove the redirect which I had previously renamed (it was itself of no significance, and the existing links to the article were related to the person whom I am looking to create an article for). Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bungle,

Thank you for your explanation. I think the easiest thing to do is to change the redirect into an article and build on top of what exists. If you want credit as the article creator, start an new article in Draft space or User space and then we can move it over to this title. I don't think an admin will delete an existing redirect for an article that doesn't exist yet, just to clear space for what potentially could be there. We have to see that what you written is an improvement over the page as it currently exists. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, likewise, thanks for the explanation. Although there is no particular reason to keep the redirect, I can alas demonstrate in due course the article i'd propose taking its place, if that is a credible course of action. Thanks. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:23, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the article the other day. I am a little perplexed why you chose not to remove the redirect from draft title too, or when I tagged it, as it's entirely useless. Would have been just as easy to do so than not? Not that it matters significantly, just baffled me a bit! Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

December 2021 GOCE Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2021.                  Current and upcoming events Election time: Our end-of-year election of coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before "Auld Lang Syne". Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. December Blitz: We have scheduled a week-long copy-editing blitz for 12 to 18 December. Sign up now! Drive and Blitz reports September Drive: Almost 400,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 27 people who signed up, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. October Blitz: From 17 to 23 October, we copy edited articles tagged in May and June 2021 and requests. 8 participating editors completed 26 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. November Drive: Over 350,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 21 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. Other news It is with great sadness that we report the death on 19 November of Twofingered Typist, who was active with the Guild almost daily for the past several years. His contributions long exceeded the thresholds for the Guild's highest awards, and he had a hand in innumerable good and featured article promotions as a willing collaborator. Twofingered Typist also served as a Guild coordinator from July 2019 to June 2021. He is sorely missed by the Wikipedia community. Progress report: As of 30 November, GOCE copyeditors have completed 619 requests in 2021 and there were 51 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog stood at 946 articles tagged for copy-editing (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Wheaton Lyons

It seems as though a move you made from Wheaton (Massachusetts) Lyons to Wheaton Lyons ended up breaking the 2006 NCAA Division III Baseball Tournament article. I fixed it, but I thought you should be aware. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Brainulator9,

That was a page move requested by Pichpich. Thank you for fixing the broken link. I correct a lot of broken links every day and appreciate it when another editor fixes a broken link left from an edit I made. Much appreciated! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! I only caught that one because it ended up under Category:College sports link error. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Something new

Looks like 331dot made an off by one error while hiding an email address, shouldn't be hard to find, hope this is discrete enough. 176.247.149.96 (talk) 02:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 176.247.149.96,

I have no idea what you are talking about, you're going to have to be more specific, like give me a page link and a statement of the problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I hear the walls have ears. I also hear that someone may have already remedied the situation. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree, nothing to see here. 176.247.149.96 (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

You should not be deleting the redirects currently listed at User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects. Just rollback the bot to restore the original targets. ✗plicit 14:12, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, sorry about that, I jumped the gun. I need to have my morning coffee. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Gangapurna CSD

Re:"Removing CSD tag, I'm not going to move that messy draft into main space. Please clean up the draft, remove reviewer comments and other AFC tags." The easiest way to do this is if the redirect is deleted and then I accept the draft via the AfC helper script, without you moving the draft into mainspace yourself. I'm a new reviewer - is there a reason this is a bad idea here? If yes, I'm happy to do the cleanup manually. Rusalkii (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rusalkii,

The best place to ask about this is at AFC, if you talk to other draft reviewers (and I'm not a new page reviewer). I'm coming from the perspective of an admin who patrols speedy deletion categories and moves & deletes drafts that have been tagged. So, I don't know the exact procedure to get a draft into shape to move it, I just know that they are "cleaned up" before they are moved. Typically, they have a header at the top that states they have been AFC approved and are in the process of being moved. But they don't have all of the previous reviewer comments and remarks on them, all of the notation that AFC reviewers have left over the past months of previous reviews.

I'd just ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation, I've found page reviewers to be very helpful when I've brought questions there, folks like Fiddle Faddle, Novem Linguae or KylieTastic are very experienced. Sorry I couldn't be more specific. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Rusalkii (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Just in case you missed the ping, the answer to your (Liz') question(s) are at this WT:AFC thread. Primefac (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

- Hello Liz. I was reviewing the article Draft:Gangapurna and I think the editor has done sufficient work to make the article suitable for main space. AFC for Draft:Gangapurna with AFCH tool is showing error because there already exists an article in main space (which contains a redirect). I suppose it needs admin privilege to move the draft to main space in such conditions. I also noted in the history of Gangapurna that you had reverted the request to delete it. Can you please resolve the issue? Best regards! nirmal (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Potential ip sock

Greetings. 2021–22 Swadhinata KS season was created by III69, who was blocked on 8/17/21. There have been substantial edits to the article since, by all by IPs who only started editing the article subsequent to III69's block. In addition, the several I checked all seem to have begun their editing (except for a single edit 2 years ago) with editing this article. Since there are numerous IPs on this article, should I open up an SPI? Or should I simply mark it for G5, since the puppetmaster was blocked back in 2020? Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:08, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, onel5969,

I apologize for the delay in responding. I get busy with editing tasks. To be honest, I don't have a good sense for detecting sockpuppetry. You might approach one of our friendly checkusers to do a check on it. I see that III69 was blocked as a sockpuppet but I don't see them reported at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SR Alamgir Khan which I usually want to see to tag a page for G5 deletion. There are a lot of editors to that page and I also usually like to see that the sockpuppet was the primary editor. They created the page but a lot of other editors contributed to it. But I might have a higher bar for G5s than other admins.

You could open an SPI but that is usually not effective with IP accounts because checkusers won't confirm them as sockpuppets. To be honest, I would go to User:zzuuzz, the admin who blocked III69, and ask them if they see similarities.

I'm sorry I couldn't offer you a more decisive answer. This case is more murky than the ones I usually deal with. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I never expect quick replies. We all get busy. And thank you for the detailed response. I agree, this one is murky, that's why I'm seeking guidance. I'll take your advice and ask zzuuzz. Thanks again. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Qwerfjkl#Empty categories

Can you reply to this? Thanks. ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Qwerfjkl,

I think I did. Was there more that I missed? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No, I posted this comment about 7 hours before you replied. Sorry for any confusion! Also, I fixed the script issue by wrapping it in nowiki tags. ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

A birthday present barnstar for you!

	The birthday present barnstar
	A birthday present barnstar sent from me to you. You are also an amazing contributor and administrator on Wikipedia, and congrats! Severestorm28 (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Severestorm28,

Thanks, I appreciate it. But it's not my birthday. Is it written somewhere on Wikipedia that it is today? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, yes, it was my birthday. Just giving you a present. Severestorm28 (talk) 12:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Liz

Hey what’s happening?

Just editing. What's happening with you? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Not much just trying to keep busy at work! Frankiethesexaddict (talk) 05:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Test pages

Please do not delete pages in userspace as "G6: Test page". The proper criterion for test pages is G2, which explicitly does not apply to userspace, and attempts to circumvent that prohibition should not succeed. Thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I was not trying to circumvent any criterion, this was my explanation for an uncontroversial deletion. I will find another way/words to explain the deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting pages in the user namespace because they are test page[s] is clearly a circumvention of the rule that prevents G2 deletions of pages in user namespace, whether that is your intention or not. Looking at it more closely, these seem to be G13s done a few days early; why not just wait the few days and call it a G13? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Proper "Categorization" of drafts

Liz, thanks for your edits and explanation regarding drafts and categories on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rusyns/Drafts/Rusyns. I wasn't aware of the guidelines surrounding this topic and have done some homework on Wikipedia:Categorization.

However, while I agree my inclusion of the majority of those categories was incorrect, I kindly disagree with your application of these guidelines in regards to the removal of Category:Rusyns drafts from the article.

Unless I am misunderstanding, the guidelines here only stipulate that drafts "do not belong in content categories" (not administrative categories); I have to argue that Category:Rusyns drafts is not a content category, but an administrative category and thus does not break any guidelines.

Quoting that section: "Administrative categories include ... WikiProject and assessment categories, and categories of pages in non-article namespaces." As the purpose of Category:Rusyns drafts was to organize draft articles for my WikiProject, I believe inclusion of that category in the article and continued usage of the category in general is allowable.

If Category:Rusyns drafts is not properly formatted to meet the specs of an "administrative category", please let me know where I can get the info needed to set it up properly (and avoid issues in the future).

Thanks again.
- KaerbaqianRen^{[ talk ]} 00:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KaerbaqianRen,

I'll be brief:I've never seen a category used as you are using Category:Rusyns drafts. If you disagree with me, which you are free to do, then I will nominate it for discussion at WP:CFD and see what the category experts say. The regular participants at CFD have almost an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of categories on Wikipedia and they might see a precedent that I don't see.

I've also never seen article drafts kept in Wikipedia space and I'm surprised that your draft hasn't been moved to Draft space or User space yet. It looks like you've set up a WikiProject just for your own personal use and it doesn't resemble other WikiProjects on Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. If we could pass it on to WP:CFD, I'd appreciate it as I feel it's allowable per quotes in my last post.

Regarding the draft being in the Wikipedia namespace: I felt this was the best location as Rusyns is pre-existing and doesn't meet the definition of a draft laid out in Wikipedia:Drafts. As far as I could tell that page only discusses drafts of new articles. Information on drafting major changes to existing articles was difficult to find when I looked... I also felt that including the draft within the project provides a central location for collaborators versus a userpage.

Regarding the WikiProject: I did not create it, but I have been in the process of making it functional for future users to take advantage of. The subject-matter is admittedly niche, but I have a few people who are interested in contributing to the upkeep of the relevant articles. I don't intend on keeping it for personal use, but at the same time, finding Wikipedians who have recently made useful contributions to relevant pages has been a challenge.
- KaerbaqianRen^{[ talk ]} 01:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Liz, just following up on the nomination of Category:Rusyns drafts in WP:CFD. Alternatively, I can nominate it myself--I'm just not sure if it would be "for deletion" (since I'm arguing against deletion) or "for other options" per their procedure. Thanks.
- KaerbaqianRen^{[ talk ]} 20:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: Contested PROD - Patrick McGuire

Thank you, Liz for starting this discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_deletion#Contested_PROD?

I wonder if you have had a chance to look at the proposed amendments for Patrick's page in my Sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ShimsCabot/sandbox and the supporting statement for my objection to the PROD. Patrick's work as a campaigner and solicitor advocate is notable for the reasons mentioned there; in particular his campaigning to change Scottish laws so as to benefit individuals who have suffered mass wrongs. His current work in the field of historical child abuse claims is particularly noteworthy now the case against Celtic FC has become a group (class) action - this is a first in Scottish law and the case will undoubtedly set precedents as to how the new Group Action laws, under the Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018, are used in the future - it will be noteworthy whether the case is won or lost. Many of Patrick's previous cases have set similar precedents, but I took a list of these cases out of his page as there had been a negative comment about them and the source refs. I would welcome any advice on neutrality, so that I can make the entry as encyclopaedic as possible. ShimsCabot (talk) 07:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much

I have read those WP:CSD guides as said. I really want to do more with time, i used to edit in bits back but i just got an account. Quackgates (talk) 08:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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RE: Tagging pages for speedy deletion

I still don't quite understand your policies which are quite different from Spanish Wikipedia. I thought given the blockings on eswiki, that tag was appropriate. I have also had problems when submitting SPIs, could you file one properly about these users for me, please? They have been a headache in various projects lately. Thanks and sorry.--MexTDT (talk) 05:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: AfC Untact

Hi, Liz - I saw you drafted and then abandoned at article on the social phenomenon "untact" -- contactless human interaction. TBH it was difficult to know if you'd deleted the article or let it lapse. I looked for a talk page and tried to retrieve the draft copy but was unable to. My point is I wonder if it isn't time to revisit the idea of creating a page for Untact. It's much more in the news -- the Dec 12, 2021 piece from the Guardian is just the latest. If you agree, what's the process? Just create a new article? There are a fair number of media references, so i think it would pass notability. Thanks! --Sam Perkins (talk) 06:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sam Perkins,

Can you give me a link to the page you are talking about? I look at hundreds of pages a day. If I delete a page, I need to see the reasons why. Also, I'm logging off soon. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply. I must have misread this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untact. I thought I saw you referenced as the creator/editor of this article. I guess it was Geschichte. My apologies if I misunderstood. That said, since you're Wiki veteran: although I've been editing on Wikipedia for awhile, I've never recreated an article that was deleted. Can I just go ahead and give it a try? Is there an accepted process? I can't find whatever the original entry was. Many thanks in advance! Sam Perkins (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance (HSTA)

Did you forget something? Maybe Talk:Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance (HSTA)? --awkwafaba (📥) 03:26, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, awkwafaba,

When admins use Twinkle to delete a page, it will delete the page, the talk page and any redirects to the page but it won't delete any redirect talk pages. I've asked about this at Twinkle's talk page. So this was leftover from a Twinkle page PROD deletion of Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance. But pages like this do show up on an Orphaned talk page list so I did get to it last night. Thanks for the reminder though. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

HiMedia Company

What was the problem ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmou88 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nmou88,

When an article is moved from the main space of the project to Draft space, the redirect is deleted as a cross-namespace redirect, CSD R2. We don't have redirects from the main space to User space or Draft space because Wikipedia does not want readers directed to these other name spaces. So, I deleted HiMedia as a cross-namespace redirect.

You can continue to work on the article in Draft space and I recommend submitting it to Articles for Creation for review when you think it is ready. AFC's goal is to help you improve the draft so that it won't be deleted if it is moved back to main space. Moving the article to Draft space is usually an alternative to deleting the page, so it was a move to give you more time to improve the article rather than deleting it outright.

If you have questions about article creation, you can bring them to AFC Help Desk or the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Dimitar Stojmenovski has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Dimitar Stojmenovski. Thanks! Rusalkii (talk) 01:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rusalkii,

Thanks for looking at this so quickly. I submitted it to AFC because an editor said it had been approved by an AFC reviewer as they were moving it into main space when it clearly hadn't, at least it didn't look like it by examining the edit history of the page. I've seen a problem lately of other page creators "approving" their own pages by posting copied AFC approval notices to their own user talk page. I'll go check out your comment. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Chanchhaya.jpg

Hi, you deleted File:Chanchhaya.jpg by PROD despite the fact that I declined its deletion eight minutes prior. Files that survive FFD are no longer eligible for deletion via PROD. WP:PRODNOM makes this clear. Fastily, I'm a little surprised you nominated it since you were the closing administrator of the debate. Surely you should have argued for its deletion at the discussion? ✗plicit 13:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Explicit,

I'd appreciate it if I could explain my mistake. I often have Wikipedia pages open in tabs if I know I'll be looking at them soon. I opened File:Chanchhaya.jpg in a tab right before its PROD expiration time. It was tagged for proposed deletion for one week. Eight minutes before the PROD was due to expire, you edited the page and removed the PROD tag. I should have refreshed the page before carrying out the deletion but I didn't do so as I didn't expect a last minute action on this image. In my experience, typically editors who patrol Proposed Deletion categories and remove PROD tags do so soon after they are tagged, not right before they are due to be deleted. But this was my fault. I let my expectations of what usually happens on my daily editing routine keep me from what I know are best practices which is to refresh the page and look for any last minute changes.

I also should have noticed the prior FFD discussion but, honestly, in all of the times I have dealt with files that are PROD'd, I've never come across one that had been part of a FFD discussion or that had been PROD'd before. Almost all of the PROD'd images I've seen have been unused personal photos. But now I know that it happens. I don't know anything about the outcome of this FFD case as I don't work much with files so I can't explain Fastily's decision to PROD a file that had been part of a FFD discussion.

I have restored this image and I appreciate you telling me about my error. Thank you for that. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hm, I'm not aware of any policy that explicitly prohibits me from nominating a page for deletion, even if I just closed a discussion about it. Yes, this would be disruptive editing if I nominated it for the exact same reason as the previously closed discussion, but I nominated this file on the basis that it was unused, whereas the FfD discussion was about copyright status. I vaguely recall thinking PROD could be used if the previous FfDs were nominated with different reasons, but this would appear to be a mistake on my end. Apologies for the trouble folks. -FASTILY 02:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Nat Bowen

Before I take Nat Bowen to AfD can you tell me if the article is a recreation of an earlier versions that were deleted? If memory serves me right, it is very much the same, but it would be nice to know if Herashjehkan took what Ckennedy18 had or rewrote it from sources. I think there is some CoI or socking going on. Vexations (talk) 12:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vexations,

Well, it looks like the article has been deleted twice for being promotional, I guess I have a higher tolerance for this than other editors/admins. To be honest, unless there is a lot of peacock language and flowery praise, I often don't see a big difference between articles on artists that are labeled "promotional" and those that are currently existing on the project. It seems like we have plenty of artists' bios here that look just like Nat Bowen's.

The other two versions were very similar to the current version but the very first version had even more sources. But I can say that they were almost identical. I'd like to see this go through AFD to see whether these sources are strong enough. I don't know if there is a connection between page creators, Herashjehkan and HansSachs18, it seems like there is some paid editing going on involving the visual arts/artists but they've learned not to make the articles over-the-top, gushing nonsense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Woah

Well that draft sure took an unexpected turn...-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ponyo,

I know, I was reading it and thinking, "This isn't so bad" and then, BOOM!, a knife to the back. Betcha it was an employee who was told to write a Wikipedia article about a boss or co-worker. I'm often surprised that our page patrol catches these drafts so quickly after they are created, I thought they mainly checked out new articles to main space but I find them tagging brand new draft pages. I have a feeling most draft page creators don't think anyone will stumble upon their little creations. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I think someone asked the wrong intern to create an article for them (ha).-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your guidance in one of the deleted BLPs. Rdfcvn (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Rdfcvn! Appreciation is always, well, appreciated. Have a great holiday! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Marjan Shirmohamadi

Liz Hello. We talked about this article before.[15] The author of the article is a famous figure in Iran. Please return the article to the name field.خاچی (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, خاچی,

I didn't delete this article, it's been moved to Draft:Marjan Shirmohamadi. Work on the draft and submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

G13

Hello Liz, thanks for your diligence. I agree that G13 does not apply here, but which criterion can be used to get this 10-year-old userpage deleted? 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Liz, and congratulations on passing the 250K edits milestone! You've probably missed my question, so I'm making another attempt. Hope you don't mind. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, 4nn1l2. I made a huge mistake on Sunday that took me hours of time to fix, I went Christmas shopping yesterday and today, the power went out while the utility company was making repairs! I'm just getting around to responding to people.

There are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of old user pages, just sitting there, that are not eligible for CSD G13. I haven't done a search for it at the Village Pump but I'm sure there have been many attempts to propose cleaning house and getting rid of them all. But, obviously, there was pushback from folks who think that "Hey, they aren't harming anyone, no readers see them, just let them be." So, the only way I know of to delete them are the obvious no-nos, if you find content that violates copyright or BLP guidelines, attack pages, vandalism, advertising, hoaxes, that kind of thing. There is one editor, MrLinkinPark333, who is doing the thankless work of looking at old user pages and tagging ones that are clear violations of Wikipedia standards. If you are interested in taking this on, you might approach him and he could give you pointers on where to start.

But, believe me, you are not alone among editors who think this stuff serves no purpose and should be deleted. If you are really motivated, you could make a proposal at the Village Pump and test the waters. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Recent talk page message

Hello. Sometimes extreme confusion does set in during recent changes patrol, but I'm confused what the purpose of this message signed by you being placed on my talk page is for, since it seems to be addressed to User:Jalapestra. Sincerely, Randompointofview (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC).

Hello, Randompointofview,

It was a comment addressed to the other editor. He was complaining about you leaving a Welcome message on his user talk page and also a note about some mistake he had made. I ran into him because he wanted his user talk page deleted because of your remark which is something we don't do here. So, I was just telling him that he should get used to people telling each other about mistakes they've made. I've been editing here regularly for over 8 years, I'm an administrator and if you look at my user talk page, you'll see it is full of messages from other editors and admins pointing out a mistake I've made. It's the nature of a collaborative project, it helps us become better editors. I hope that explains things. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What's the best part of being Administrator? --Jalapestra (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

That's hard to say. I like that when I communicate with another editor, I'm more likely to get a response than I did before I became an admin. Although there are still some editors, mostly new editors, who ignore me, I think it's because I'm female. At least, they can be very dismissive and even rude to me until they discover I'm an admin and then they become more civil.

It's also useful to be able to view deleted edits, I wish this was an ability that more editors could have, so they could view their deleted contributions. Since there are times when editors do not receive notices that pages they have created are deleted, it would be helpful if they could see their deleted contributions so they would know what has been deleted and they would be able to see why. Contributions are a record of an editor's work and not to be able to see what has been deleted is unfortunate, I think. But this wouldn't be so necessary if they always received notifications which is something I repeatedly ask people to do. It's my guess that many editors do not want any confrontation and so they don't always post notices that a page might be deleted. But that's just a guess. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: Comment

I'm just editing adding more references in La Paz, Baja California Sur and this "editor" complains about "I don't use right edit summary", how I are wrong with your ideas of "collaborative editing project and everyone is subject to scrutiny"?, I "can't handle criticism"?, can explain you try say? with it and i'm not understand this text of you: "If you don't like messages from other editors noting mistakes you've made, you will not be an editor here very long.", can explain you idea?. --Jalapestra (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

And please, don't touch my talk page. --Jalapestra (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jalapestra,

With that lousy attitude, I can see you blocked on your first day as an editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, another weird editor... --Jalapestra (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, Jalapestra, I've been here over 8 years and have almost 250,000 edits so I have survived here longer than you. I might know a thing or two. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:43, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, what's your favourite Wikipedia topic? --Jalapestra (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, actually, these days most of my time is spent dealing with inappropriate, junk, empty pages or abandoned drafts. So, I see the worst stuff people throw on pages. But I know that there are editors like you, here, improving articles and making things better. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I apoligize

Hi Liz, I would've written this on my own page but I still do not know how to mention people or reply to talk messages. I jst wanted to apoligize for all my hoax articles, I made most of those a while ago before I realized how I should use this site. I assure you no more of those will be made. --Rfkatz2005 (talk) 04:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rfkatz2005,

Well, go forth, and hoax no more! Welcome to a community of contributors. I encourage you to find a WikiProject where you can work on articles with editors with similar interests. It makes editing more fun. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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Action of 13 December 1814

I'm challenging this as a prod and have restored it. I was actually in the process of deprodding it at the moment you deleted. Sorry about that. SpinningSpark 16:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spinningspark,

That's amazing that we were editing that page at the same time. Well, now you know it can't be PROD'd again! Have a good week. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you perform history splits?

Hello, Liz. I know you're active in the deletion/restoring of articles. Do you also work with splitting out histories a la WP:HISTSPLIT when an previously redirected article is usurped/repurposed? Basically, The Falconer (film) was once at a location where it hosted a completely different article. If the history prior to it's redirection here Special:Diff/639541548 on 02:23, 25 December 2014, could be split out and moved to The Falconer (Saturday Night Live), then I think the right history preservation would remain in place for the original topic. If this is not an area you work with, let me know, and I can seek another admin's help. Thanks, either way! -2pou (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 2pou,

Unfortunately, I have no experience with splitting articles. There are 2 or 3 admins who patrol Wikipedia:Requests for history merge and I think they will have the required skills for a task like this. I'd approach one of them. Sorry not to be any help! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, 2pou,

I just noticed in the Deletion Log that admin Scott did a very complicated partial deletion and restoration of an article, you might consider asking him for assistance. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 Thanks for the pointer, Liz. Worth a shot! -2pou (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)

Liz,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 19:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's very kind of you, Interstellarity! I hope you have a wonderful holiday, whichever you celebrate, and enjoy time away from Wikipedia! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Liz! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 22:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, onel5969! I hope you have a wonderful solstice and New Year! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

User: User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ

Hi Liz User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ appears to be using Wikipedia exclusively to host made up alphabets. I’ve asked for three to be speedily deleted and one has gone to draft. I think WP:NOTHERE applies. Mccapra (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ

Hi Liz User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ appears to be using Wikipedia exclusively to host made up alphabets. I’ve asked for three to be speedily deleted and one has gone to draft. I think WP:NOTHERE applies. Mccapra (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

You know, admin Shirt58 has deleted some of their pages and tried to start a discussion with the editor on their user talk page so I would defer to them to make any decision about taking action on this editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Salvatore Ambrosini

Hi Liz, could you help me out? I'm trying to improve the draft on Salvatore Ambrosini, but when I move it to the main space the other users put it back in the draft space. Where am I wrong? Could you give me some advice to improve the draft or if you can improve it yourself? :)

Nonna Angelina (talk) 08:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)User:Nonna Angelina

Hello, Nonna Angelina,

Typically, editors submit drafts to Articles for Creation where one of our reviewers can look over your draft and make recommendations on how to improve it. Once a draft is approved by an AFC reviewer, it has much better odds of surviving a move to the main space of the project. AFC also has a Help Desk where you can ask questions about article creation. There is also the Teahouse for general questions about editing on Wikipedia and policies. I recommend both sites as places where experienced editors can offer you advice and support. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:Talk pages with broken ClueBot III templates

Hey, I went to check on Category:Talk pages with broken ClueBot III templates recently which is a maintenance back-log category applied by ClueBot III when it comes across a broken or invalid User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis template, and noticed that had deleted it. I didn't want to wheel war, so would you mind undeleting it (or, alternatively letting me know you're fine with it being undeleted, and I'll do so). Thanks! -- Cobi^(t|c|b) 19:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cobi,

Categories that have been deleted via CSD C1, simply for being empty, can be recreated whenever there is a need for them. The only reason they are deleted is because they are empty, not for any other reason. If you assign a page to this category, I'll recreate it. But I don't want to recreate it before a page has been placed in it or it will just show up on our Empty Category list and be tagged for deletion again. I hope this answers your question. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you so much, CAPTAIN RAJU! I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, on- and off-Wikipedia! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Suganesh Mahendran

Hello, you recently speedily deleted Suganesh Mahendran but I objected to this deletion on the talk page so I just wondered if you missed my objection comment? Thanks NemesisAT (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, NemesisAT,

Yes, I did miss your comment on the article talk page. I have restored the article and talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries, easily done I imagine! Thank you NemesisAT (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Cheers!

Hello Liz: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Qwerfjkltalk 22:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Oh, thanks so much, Qwerfjkl! I'm going to get back to you, between holiday busyness and power outages here, it's been a crazy week. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Removal of CSD tag

I see you removed the CSD tag at Draft:UJober. To be clear on procedure, since there is an SPI case on this matter, should I revisit CSD options for the page if the user is blocked as a sock (if someone else doesn't get to it first)? I'm not upset or questioning your decision, I just want to be clear on how to proceed. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TornadoLGS,

Typically, page creations are only tagged after an editor is confirmed to be a sockpuppet. The exceptions I have seen are when an administrator is very familiar with a particular sockpuppet and so deletes their pages before a checkuser has confirmed them as a sockpuppet. I'll admit that I'm pretty strict about this because I've seen SPI cases where there wasn't enough data to confirm a sockpuppet so I'd rather not delete pages and have to restore them later if this occurs.

I will say that your conduct isn't unusual, there are other editors who will tag dozens of pages as soon as they have opened an SPI case against an editor and then we have to untag them all until they've been confirmed. Often the reporting editor is absolutely convinced but I'd prefer to wait until a checkuser has confirmed this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, The folks at SPI seem to think it's two different people, though I'm thinking the draft may still meet WP:G11. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it might well warrant deletion on another criteria. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

CSD G5

Hi Liz, regarding this summary, does the sock have to be blocked for this to apply? My understanding from WP:G5 is that it is the user that has to be blocked (in violation of their ban or block), not the newest sock iteration (in this case proxy IP). Best, CMD (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CMD,

See the discussion above this one when I reply to the same question. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

A checkuser block will never apply to an IP, and a CU will never confirm an IP on technical grounds, so I'm not seeing how the above conversation would apply here (even if CU was less fallible). CMD (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, on what basis should I take your judgement that an IP account is a sockpuppet? I need confirmation. If checkusers won't confirm because of policy, then I won't delete a page based on an editor's suspicions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

On the usual basis for non-CU behavioural checks perhaps, such as your note of admin action in the above conversation. Technical confirmation is a very high bar given IPs cannot be technically confirmed and even named accounts can avoid it. If you need more information on the case I'm always happy to have a note dropped on my talkpage. (In this particular case its forking [16][17][18][19] among other socks, and using a redirect to loophole the autoconfirmed requirements.) While I understand being unwilling to delete based on suspicions, not deleting is not the same as removing the tag, and I followed up here due to that action and the linked edit summary. CMD (talk) 22:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas Liz
	Hi Liz, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, ★Trekker (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Share these holiday wishes by adding {{subst:User:Davey2010/MerryChristmas}} to your friends' talk pages.

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 22

Hello everyone, and welcome to the 22nd issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter. This issue will be covering new and updated user scripts from the past seven months (June through December 2021).

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script

LuckyRename, by Alexis Jazz, is this month's featured script. LuckyRename makes requesting file moves easier, and automates the many steps in file moving (including automatic replacement of existing usage). Give it a shot!

Updated scripts

• SD0001: hide-reverted-edits has been updated to take into account changes in reversion tools like Twinkle and RedWarn.
• Writ Keeper: massRollback.js has added a rollback-some option (missed in last issue).
• ClaudineChionh: SkinSwitcher (a fork and update of Eizen's script) provides an options menu/toolbox/toolbar allowing users to view a given page in MediaWiki's default skins.

Scripts++ Newsletter

Pending requests

• Mass-patrolling at Special:NewPages
• Taking up the mantle of an almost completed peer review javascript bot
• Restore the Wikipedia Citation Tool for Google Books
• Autohighlighting specific characters (Greek)
• ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests

Miscellaneous

• Wikipedia:User scripts/Ranking is a sortable table of Wikipedia's thousand-or-so most commonly used scripts; it includes their author, last modification date, installation count, and sometimes a short description.
• Toolhub is a community managed catalog of software tools used in the Wikimedia movement. Technical volunteers can use Toolhub to document the tools that they create or maintain. All Wikimedians can use Toolhub to search for tools to help with their workflows and to create lists of useful tools to share with others.

New scripts

• Ahecht:
  • draft-sorter sorts AfC drafts by adding WikiProject banners to their talk pages. It supersedes User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter, adding a few features and fixing some bugs.
  • massmove, a modified User:Plastikspork/massmove.js that adds a link to the left column, allows adding and removing both prefixes and suffixes.
  • watchlistcleaner removes missing pages (redlinks), redirects, pages you haven't edited recently, and/or pages you've never edited from your watchlist.
• Awesome Aasim:
  • Infiniscroll adds infinite scrolling to user contributions, page histories, and log pages.
  • Quick create allows for the fast creation of red-linked pages with two clicks.
• Caburum:
  • UTCclock adds a clock displaying the current UTC time.
• Chlod:
  • CopiedTemplateEditor, mainly for CCI case handlers, allows graphically editing a talk page's {{copied}} templates.
• DaxServer:
  • BooksToSfn adds a portlet link in Visual Editor's source mode editing, in main namespace articles or in the user's Sandbox. When clicked, it converts one {{cite book}} inside a <ref>...</ref> tag block into an {{Sfn}}.
• FlightTime:
  • OneClickArchiver is a custom version of User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver which doesn't prepend {{Clear}} to the top of each section on the archive page.
• Jon Harald Søby:
  • diffedit enables editing directly from viewing a diff "when, for instance, you notice a tiny mistake deep into an article, and don't want to edit the entire article and re-find that one line to fix that tiny mistake".
  • warnOnLargeFile warns you if you're about to open a very large file (width/height >10,000px or file size >100 MB) from a file page.
• JPxG:
  • PressPass adds a collection of tools for Newspapers.com including configurable automatic citation generation in five different formats.
  • CurrentSwitcher gives you links on the contribs page to hide duplicate entries, current revisions, rollbacks, huggles, twinkles, and redwarns.
  • TrackSum lets you automatically sum the lengths of tracks in templates like {{track listing}} and get total runtimes.
• Nardog:
  • CopySectLink adds a button to copy the unencoded page title or section path next to each heading.
  • IPAInput allows you to type in IPA symbols by directly looking at an IPA key like Help:IPA/English and clicking on the symbols.
  • TemplatePreviewGuard warns when you try to use "Preview page with this template" with a page that doesn't transclude the template.
• NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh:
  • ContribsTabVector adds "Contributions" and "Statistics" tabs to user and user talk pages on the Vector skin.
  • CopyvioChecker adds a "CopyvioCheck" tab to all pages, except Special (Vector skin only).
  • LiveDiffLink is a version of Equazcion's LiveDiffLink which shows a wikilink instead of a URL.
  • QuickDiff (by OneTwoThreeFall at Fandom) lets you quickly view any diff link on a wiki, whether on Recent Changes, contribs pages, history pages, the diff view itself, or elsewhere. For more information, view its page on Fandom.
• Novem Linguae:
  • DetectSNG scans a list of 1,600 SNG keywords and displays them at the top of the article.
  • NotSoFast highlights recently created articles in the new pages feed, to discourage patrolling them too quickly.
  • UserRightsDiff concisely displays what perm was added or removed when viewing Special:UserRights.
  • VoteCounter displays a rough count of keeps and deletes at XFDs, RFCs, etc.
  • WatchlistAFD automatically watchlists the AFDs of any pages you AFC accept or NPP patrol, to help you calibrate your reviewing.
• P.T.Đ:
  • TwinkleMobile enables Twinkle on mobile view (Minerva skin).
• Qwerfjkl:
  • editRedirect adds a → link after redirects to edit them.
  • RegExTypoFix, a script for fixing typos, is a wrapper for User:Joeytje50/RETF.js.
  • talkback creates links after user talk page links like this: |C|TB (with the first linking to the user's contributions, and the latter giving the option of sending a {{talkback}} notice). It also adds a [copy] link next to section headers.
• Rublov:
  • diff-link shows "copy" links on history and contributions pages that copy an internal link to the diff (e.g., Special:Diff/1026402230) to your clipboard when clicked.
• Rummskartoffel:
  • auto-watchlist-expiry automatically watchlists every page you edit for a user-definable duration (you can still pick a different time using the dropdown, though).
  • generate pings generates the wikitext needed to ping all members of a category, up to 50 editors (the limit defined by MediaWiki).
  • share ExpandTemplates url allows for easy sharing of your inputs to Special:ExpandTemplates. It adds a button that, when clicked, copies a shareable URL to your exact invocation of the page, like this. Other editors do not need to have this script installed in order to access the URL generated.
  • show tag names shows the real names of tags next to their display names in places such as page revision histories or the watchlist.
• Tol:
  • VisualEditor Citation Needed adds a button (under "Insert") in VisualEditor to add a {{citation needed}} tag.
• Venkat TL:
  • ColourContrib color-codes the user contributions page so that pages you've edited last are sharply distinguished from pages where another editor was the last to edit the page.
• Vukky:
  • StatusChanger is a fork of Enterprisey's Status Changer, which adds a UI to the script. (using Morebits, so you'll need to have Twinkle enabled to use it).

All in all, some very neat scripts were written in these last few months. Hoping to see many more in the next issue -- drop us a line on the talk page if you've been writing (or seeing) anything cool and good. Filling in for DannyS712, this has been jp×g. Take care, and merry Christmas! jp×g 07:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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A Message

This has been chewing at me all evening, and I have realized it is not going to go away until I share my thoughts more completely. I'll start by saying I don't expect a reply to this as I know you and other admins are extremely busy, and it is fine if you choose not to.

Being scolded for my two speedy delete mistakes caught me way off guard with how much it upset me. So much so that I semi-reactively chose to disengage entirely from participating in wikiprocedures (AfD, PROD, etc.). Given more time to reflect, it is best if I stick with this decision indefinitely. Granted, this is not the only reason. I've run into several prickly situations (one a day prior too) over time that have made my view of wiki under the hood to be a cold and surprisingly aggressive and unforgiving place full of low-accommodating personalities. The latter I have very low tolerance for. This is combined with the fact that Wikiediting is not really helping me grow as a person at all; therefore I should spend time doing other hobbies. I'm also dyslexic (which is more than just reading difficulties) and wikipedia plays to my weaknesses, not my strengths.

Nevertheless, this was a very large straw that broken the camels back for me. In particular, because when I saw your replies on my talk page (which I have since wiped- please see my edit history) you were mid-writing them, and at one point contained a statement saying you were close to telling me to stop adding and removing tags from pages. This was subsequently removed as I assume you decided to recant that statement. But, from that and the messages as a whole I was frankly shocked and dismayed by this because I did not realize - at all - that I had done anything wrong until I was told. I now understand fully where I made my mistakes - and why - and this is because wiki plays to my weaknesses, and I again appologize for that. In particular, I thought the editor I was at odds with was new, as I saw the last message on their talk page was in June of this year, but completely failed to notice the talk page archive above that. Had I noticed, I would have (as you said) known they were experienced and been more cautious. It is obvious to me you were doing your best to curtail your frustration and apply an even and balanced hand to the situation. There's no way I could ever put up with constantly dealing with users out of their depth day after day like you do. I'd rather chew saw dust.

Basically, this has all sent a message to me that you really just cannot make mistakes here without being heavily lectured or receiving some sort of restriction/punishment, and I find this to simply be too corrosive for me to withstand. It very often reads as patronizing and infantializing despite the good intentions, and even when the other party is assuming good intentions towards the receiver. It's unfortunate I saw the threat as I don't think that was intended to be seen, but that is too late at this point.

All this to say is, I am not mad, you haven't done anything wrong, but this has tipped me over the edge to leaving and I am still (surprisingly) hurt. In order for me to resolve that I must speak my mind. I love Wikipedia and I have since I was in high school over 15 years ago, this website is vitally important for the world and tireless admins like you are offering far more protection to the world than nearly everyone realizes. But, I just can't participate.

Thank you for reading. --Tautomers_{(T C)} 08:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!!
	Hi Liz, Wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thank you for your support and great work on Wikipedia. Happy Holidays. DMySon (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Djibouti–Georgia (country) relations

A tag has been placed on Category:Djibouti–Georgia (country) relations indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Huggums537 (talk) 19:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.

About these articles

I was just reminded of these articles I had asked about in our discussion a while ago back in early November. About the ones where I made significant contributions to them and Justlettersandnumbers accidentally G5'ed them, but then restored them when I pointed that out but didn't remove the CSD tag in the restoration and Anthony Bradbury instantly re-deleted them. Could they finally be restored?

Here they are: Ramón Escobar Santiago, Gladys Ejomi, Iñaxi Etxabe, Elisabeth Ebeling, and César Salinas

Thanks for your help! Silverseren^C 22:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Silverseren^C 22:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, Silver seren,

You won't believe this but on my crowded laptop screen, I have a window minimized with tabs for all of these pages that I meant to get to a while ago. I guess I can close that window now. I'm glad you remembered though and I'll see if there are any more pages that might not be listed here.

If you look at the page logs for some of these pages, you'll see that some of them were re-deleted ONE MINUTE after they were restored! At that point, I don't see how they were even visible in the speedy deletion folder unless the admin had just opened it that second. Bad timing. Unfortunately, it is not rare for an admin to restore a page and forget to remove the CSD tag that caused it to be deleted in the first place or, for drafts, forget to do an edit to the page and so it is immediately marked for CSD G13 deletion for editor inactivity. And, we'll sometimes restore the page and forget to restore the talk page! Well, we are human and it never hurts to approach an admin directly, like this, rather than going to a noticeboard. I hope you have a good holiday and new year! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you posted while I was writing this response! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Hello Liz, Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Ikran Tahlil Farah has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ikran Tahlil Farah. Thanks! Rusalkii (talk) 03:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 04:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

db-move and drafts

Hi Liz, not sure if you saw the discussion or pings at WT:AFC, but if a reviewer is reviewing a draft and puts a {{db-move}} or similar on an existing redirect so they can accept the draft, please delete it as requested. You do not have to do anything further, as the reviewer will take care of accepting the page (likely very soon after deletion) and cleaning everything up (after all, that's why we have a fancy script for it). Thank you, and if you have any questions feel free to ping me. Primefac (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac,

No, I didn't see the pings, I'm not very consistent with checking my ping notifications because they are always at 99+. They pile up fast.

I did decline some move requests because it didn't look like the draft had even been reviewed or it was in the process of being reviewed. I do the draft moves when the page is clearly reviewed and ready to go. Or I didn't do the move because the editor who posted the move request didn't appear to be an AFC reviewer and it looked like they were trying to get around some restriction. I've seen draft move requests where the draft hadn't even been submitted for an AFC review yet!

Maybe I'll just let someone else handle these although the move requests seem to sit around longer in the CSD categories than other speedy deletion requests. Happy holidays! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Competing article

Hello. Check this, please. [20] PajaBG (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for slogging through

Loads of G5s, I'm afraid. Ugbedeg was prolific, and Luciapop was very slippery as a sock and likely UPE, plus being an AFC reviewer!! You might decide to look at their list of articles created to see what has been missed and what might be left legitmately because of significant edits by other editors. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Timtrent,

I'm trying to work fast but carefully because there is a tendency in these cases for admins to use batch delete to mass delete pages and I think they need to be looked over individually. Oh, Merry Christmas to you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that batch delete is inappropriate for these. I have tried hard to interpret the history and am content if you disagree with my interpretation. For me a deletion is always a dual key operation.

Happy Christmas to you as well. Why are we editing on Christmas Day? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

And, sure enough, that's what happened, another admin batch deleted the remainder before I could go through them. Grrrr.

I'm editing because I spent all Christmas morning with my family but now I'm back home and I'm waiting for the news to come on. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunate that they batch deleted. I agree with hindsight with those you chose to decline. I'm torn, though. UPE was very much in evidence, but not evidentially. I hate it when UPE is rewarded by others editing their work all unaware. I understand when we choose not to delete for that reason, though.

This one was good, very hard to spot, and has caused concern.

I'm unwinding after a day with family, too. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Liz, thanks for checking through these. I was going through at the same time but more slowly and generally agreed with your decisions. I've mentioned you at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red as many of the subjects were women, if you'd care to comment there on the deleted articles (whether they looked overtly promotional, how notable they were, how much editing you deemed substantive...) Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

Well, I was working quickly so if I "saved" some pages where you don't think the contributions of other editors was significant enough, feel free to delete the pages. I understand why the work of sockpuppets is deleted but it is hard to imagine many of these pages about accomplished African women being recreated so it is with regret that I did the deletions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there -- I'm very unhappy about the Luciapop situation. It seems like a lot of notable African bios, including many of women, are being deleted for essentially a meta reason relating to the creator, despite the fact that everyone agrees that the encyclopedia is deficient in this area. Women in Red is generally happy to adopt articles on women if they are drawn to their attention. I was hoping some of them could have been moved to draft so that the WiR editors could comb out any problems, but obviously that is not consensus. Anyway, happy Christmas if you celebrate! Espresso Addict (talk) 01:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict If it helps, yesterday I nominated only those I felt had insignificant edits by others. By this I mean the addition of tags, the addition or deletion of categories, the use of reFill, etc. I may have made a couple of errors, which is fine. Liz declined those where they disagreed with me. Like Liz I find batch deletion to be inappropriate im this type of situation. There are too many nuances to consider. And I believe that an admin has as much of a duty as nominator to do their very best for Wikipedia, a duty they discharged with a great deal of work.

Luciapop has driven a coach and horses through our defences, or rather Ugbedeg has. We cannot use the apparently valid reason that we are woefully short of articles in an area to reward sock puppetry and likely UPE. Luciapop created 93 articles, mostly formulaic, as if on a production line.

Editors in good standing can and should now look at the Luciapop list with a view to creating wholesomely produced articles on those from that list who have genuine notability. It may be a decent list to start to work from. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 10:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hood (soft top)

"Liz" remember:

Stay cool,

don't be a jerk,

don't be a drama mama,

and assume good faith.

And tell me why you have deleted Hood (soft top)

Eddaido (talk) 06:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eddaido,

You don't look like a brand new editor but you are acting like one. New comments are put on the bottom of a talk page, not the top. And the deletion summary on Hood (soft top) tells you exactly why it was deleted, it was tagged as a Proposed deletion. If you would like it to be restore, please make a request at WP:REFUND. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Muazzez Bora

Why did you delete Muazzez Bora article Miss Liz--176.234.225.68 (talk) 12:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 176.234.225.68,

Draft:Muazzez Bora which was deleted as a stale, abandoned draft because no one had edited the page in 6 months. If you would like Draft:Muazzez Bora restored, let me know or you can make a request at WP:REFUND. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Moving a page

Hello. I'm ZX2006XZ. I was wondering what you would think about moving this draft to article space. Coverage on the certain topic has been pretty notable for a while now. ZX2006XZ (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ZX2006XZ,

This draft has been declined SIX times and finally rejected. I would not move a draft that has been rejected by multiple AFC reviewers into main space. What they are trying to say by declining and rejecting it is that if it was moved into main space, it would be deleted. And I don't think if a draft has been rejected, that an AFC reviewer will consider it an 8th time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

So... should I make a new draft or something else? ZX2006XZ (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ZX2006XZ,

That might be the best idea. Some times, it's better to work with a blank slate and build up a new article rather than trying to fix the problems of a rejected one. Also, if you found one of the AFC reviewers more helpful or if they offered some constructive advice, you might approach them on their user talk page and ask them for specifics on why the draft was rejected. I don't review drafts myself, so I don't know if they use a mental checklist or if they go through training to spot common errors (like copyright violations or correct references). But I know sometimes the responses AfC reviewers leave aren't very detailed so if one AFC reviewer gave a more detailed response, they might be some help in crafting a new version. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. ZX2006XZ (talk) 13:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I made a new draft. It's at this link. I'm not asking for a review or anything. I just wanted you to know. Thanks in advance. ZX2006XZ (talk) 16:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The other draft is now a redirect to the new draft. You can view it here. ZX2006XZ (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC) ZX2006XZ, passing by, I want to advise you from my 15 years experience here that this will not conceivably be approved until the film has ben released, and reviews are available. Please don't be impatient. DGG ( talk ) 06:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of World Rapid & Blitz Chess Championships

Hi again -- you deleted this as I was trying to decide what to do with it -- it seems to be intended as a redirect to the two pages linked, but there's duplicate content on the tournament and I hadn't worked out which was primary when it turned red. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

I have restored the page, it seemed to fit CSD A3 criteria since it just had two internal links. It's great that you might see some use for it. I also posted a message to the page creator suggesting that they create pages in Draft or User space where they can develop articles over time. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:17, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Espresso Addict, I also removed the CSD tag since I can see one of the other speedy deletion patrollers deleting this before you can get to it! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. I work so slowly that things often get deleted while I'm trying to work out how best to salvage them. I've put another note on the creator's talk page; hopefully they won't get too confused! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Espresso Addict, if you look further up on this talk page, you'll see a discussion about this matter. I was going through dozens of pages that had been tagged CSD G5, carefully but rapidly, because I was so worried about another admin deleting them all through batch delete. I got to most of them before that exact thing happened! But I got to look at about 90-95% of them before they went poof! I found six articles where I thought the contributions of other editors was significant enough to de-tag them. It is much more difficult to judge this after the pages have been deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Personally I don't think batch delete should be used at all; it seems contrary to the need to examine carefully the individual circumstances of each page nominated. If there's genuinely no need for that then the page might as well be deleted by a bot with admin permissions. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

"100 Huntley Street"

You delinked 100 Huntley Street. What you are supposed to do is remove it altogether. Only programs with articles are to be listed. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. C.C.,

I don't understand your complaint. I deleted 100 Huntley Street as an expired PROD. When we delete articles, we remove links to the page so there won't be a lot of red links on other articles. Then an editor asked for the article to be restored and it was. What are you asking to be done that you can't do as an editor? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

What's hard to understand? You left it listed without a blue link on three lists. You should have removed it altogether. Not sure why I have to repeat this. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't keep track of if and when articles I have deleted are restored, no admins do that. After I have deleted a page, my involvement with it has ended unless there is a question about the deletion. You should create the links since you noticed them, you're an experienced editor, you should know how to do that. I have plenty of activities to keep me busy.

And curb the hostility, please. Merry Christmas to you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

From France

Hello Liz,
This article i.e Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica is admissible. Some english contributors haven't see the sources especially the main source Francis Arzalier. You can see on french tv, the "reportage" Slavery in Corsica under Napoleon".
I demand please that this article will be in the Main.
Thank's you and have a good day !
Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mike Coppolano,

I'm not sure why you are contacting me, I had nothing to do with moving this article to Draft space (Draft:Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica) and I have nothing to do with approving draft articles. You should submit it to Articles for Creation for review.

If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia or its policies, I suggest you should bring them to the Teahouse. But, as a piece of advice, most people don't respond well to random people who come to them "demanding" things. This is a collaborative editing project, we are all volunteers here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

From France

Hello Liz,
The article Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica is avaible. Some english contributors haven't understand the main source Francis Arzalier. It's not possible to delete an article with at once a source. You can see this reportage on french tv [Slavery in Corsica under Napoleon Bonaparte] (see also my talk page response to John B123)
Thank's and have a nice day,
Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mike Coppolano,

Why are you leaving me a second message? I just responded to you (above). Good night. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

It was a bug. Day is coming in France, i'm awake and well. I just don't understand why John B123 have /moved my article to Draft. It's not possible to don't give existence to an article who have a source and the main source by Francis Arzalier.I think of all. God bless America ! (my cousin is american) Have a nice day, and thank's Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not possible that John B123 have moved my article Draft:Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica. But you can see in the article you have deleted that there was a source Francis Arzalier « Les déportés guadeloupéens et haïtiens en Corse ;» Annales historiques de la Révolution française Année 1993 293-294 pp. 469-490. It's a misunderstood mistake ! Now I think it's possible that the article about Guadeloupe Haiti and France reintegrate the Main, he dont had to leave. Thank's, Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC) Note : Where will go Wikipedia if we delete article with source(s) ?

Mike Coppolano, passing by,I noticed this. The article will not be approved in the enWP without some considerable amount of material to put it into context for the general reader . DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz and DGG happy new year ("Bonne Année et Bonne Santé" comme l'on dit en France) !

It's a terrible mistake. The article is admissible on wp:en. You just have to translate from french to english. I had given the material (i.e bibliography) in the article. Think. Bonne journée à vous deux ! Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I;ve taken a look at the draft. It's apparently intended as a translation of the very satisfactory article fr:Déportés guadeloupéens et haïtiens en Corse at the French WP. But you can't have an article here by just copying the sources over; you have to either translate the article, or find someone to do it, or write a similar one in English. I know enough French to do this, but I do not have the time. I have listed it for you at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Whether anyone will prove interested, I cannot say. DGG ( talk ) 06:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Rail transport in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

I know this is a silly article, but I would like to challenge the prod of Rail transport in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. It was deleted on the grounds that there is no rail transport in this territory. This is not true. The book The Island of South Geogia makes it clear that there is, or at least was several light railways on the island. SpinningSpark 14:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spinningspark,

 Done For me, a contested PROD is a restored PROD. Good luck with it! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I notice that someone else quite independently has noticed there is scope for an article here and made an addition. SpinningSpark 12:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Marie-Thérèse Bocoum

Hiya I see you recently deleted Marie-Thérèse Bocoum and was wondering if you could put the former article in my draft space so I can look at it as I assess making a new page for her. Thanks for any help! Mujinga (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mujinga,

I should let you know that admins' opinions vary about doing this (and most would say "No") but I decided to restore the page and move it to your User space at User:Mujinga/Marie-Thérèse Bocoum. Good luck with your new page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

In need of HELP

@Liz This article is nominated for speedy deletion although I indicated that it is yet to be improved and it is also a stub, can you please lead me to the right path on how to save it and legally eliminate the speedy deletion tag? Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

What article? Is it in main space or Draft space? The fastest thing to do is to move it to Draft or User space but it would help if I knew the article so I could see why it's been tagged for deletion. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz The article is B Major (record producer) I mentioned you on the article's talk page. Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

There are a variety of different deletion processes on Wikipedia and different ways to handle them. In this case, a discussion has been opened at Articles for Deletion. This can not be stopped unless the nominator withdraws the nomination or this is a Speedy Keep or Speedy Delete which I don't think will happen here.

What you need to do is to go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B Major (record producer) and argue why the article should be kept. Read over why other editors believe it should be deleted and address those concerns. If it is because they don't believe he is notable, find references that support that he is important. An AFD discussion normally lasts 7 days so there is time to improve the article. What you don't want to do is to contact other editors and ask them to vote to keep your article. That is called canvassing and will backfire upon you. Don't panic and work on improving the article. I'll read it over when I have more time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ma'am Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem. It can take years to understand how Wikipedia works. Also, the Teahouse is always there if you have questions about Wikipedia's policies and practices. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

A mess of socks

Hello, I've found a suspicious article (Link) that I think was made by a sockpuppeteer familiar to you, but since the first edit is recreating a draft by a user (that i suspect is a sock of this user due to similar naming) and then moved to mainspace by a sock of elshadiman. I have tagged it for G4 since it has a previous AfD to delete it (since I didn't know if G5 would be accepted here), but still I wanted to show this to you because you're more experienced than me in these issues and would know what to do. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

do you think that G5 cirteria may apply to this article? - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 23:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kevo327,

I'd have to look at the page again. I'm kind of in the middle of doing something else.

If you found a new sockpuppet, or one you suspect is, I find it most helpful to approach the checkuser in the existing SPI who last identified a sock. They have more information than we do and are more familiar with the case specifics. You could either reopen the SPI with a new entry (see instructions on WP:SPI and use the name of the sockpuppeteer) or just put a note on the checkuser's talk page. But don't expect a speedy response at this time of year. It might seem urgent to you but unless there is ongoing vandalism, there is no immediate need to act, especially if the sockpuppet has already been blocked. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:57, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, It's fully natural for thing to be slower these days. I'll do as advised. Have a nice last-couple-of-days-of-the-year. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

your speedy delete

Hey Liz,

while you're obviously technically correct to delete my talk entry on the non-existant template for Hugo award for best series, it would've been much more helpful to create said template and let others flesh it out. That would've actually improved the wiki a tiny little bit.

Cheers, 165.1.194.41 (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 165.1.194.41,

If I remember correctly, you left a message on a template talk page where there wasn't any template so it was deleted as an orphaned talk page. Who would have even have seen your message? If you want a template created, it would be better to request this at a relevant WikiProject or contact an editor who made similar templates and request it of them. No one would see an orphaned talk page because they wouldn't know it's even there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Tom McCabe (Rugby League player)

Hi Liz. I see you've prodded Tom McCabe (Rugby League player) and, for what it's worth, I did try to explain to the creator at WP:THQ#Pictures that are owned by the person who has asked it to be uploaded? what tag do I use to say it's got no copyright? that BLPPROD was a possibility. I also did do a little searching for sources on my own but came up empty, and I also posted about this at WT:RL#Tom McCabe (Rugby League player). It seems possible that this person might meet WP:NRU, but I know next to zero about rugby. Maybe WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here? I can't do anything about the images because their copyright status is not clear and most likely they won't be able to be kept without someone's WP:CONSENT, but the subject might be notable for his rugby achievements. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to look for old archived versions of the Rugby League Ireland and found McCabe mentioned on a January 20, 2002 archived version, but he's also listed as a contributor to the page as well. McCabe is also listed as an "executive member" of the RLI in the "Moving forward" section of an October 2001 archived version, but I can't find any mention of him as being president. Anyway, these might be OK for certain bits of article content to remove the BLPPROD, but the RLI's website is a primary source at the very best and I've been unable to find anything from any newspapers or other secondary publications which might help establish notability. I thought https://peoplepill.com/people/tom-mccabe-2 might possibly be OK as an EL because it's not what I would consider to be a reliable source, but it's on WP:BLACKLIST which means it has zero value to Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, you are putting a lot of effort into this, Marchjuly. I just came upon a list of BLP bios without any references and I was going to nominate a few every day over a week. Most of them are sports figures so I know that those editors who work with articles in these subject areas are knowledgeable about what sources might exist for football players or snooker players where I don't. I see the BLP PROD tag as a reminder to article creators that they are unfinished and they need to find a reference for their bios. Almost all of the articles I have tagged with a BLP PROD are de-tagged before the waiting period is up. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I actually have no interest in rugby at all, but just thought I'd give it a try. Anyway, some citationss were added to the article by it's creator, but the only one really relevant to the subject was to a YouTube video that was most likely a copyvio. FWIW, the creator responded to the BLPPROD notification you left on their user talk page and I left a post for them on the article's talk page, but I'm not sure what else I can do here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Liz. This person tried to ping you on their user talk page, but it might've not gone through because it was malformed. In addition, perhaps you can take a look at what they posted on the article's talk page when you've got a little time. They seem to mean well, but they also have a plan of creating more articles (perhaps even as many as 300 more) like the McCabe one as part of their efforts to document these players' achievements. I gave some general advice, but perhaps you could add something more. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft : Survivor Corps

Hi Liz {{Help me}} Hello, Merry Christmas and happy healthy holidays You recently did a speecy delete on an older version of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Survivor_Corps_(COVID-19)

Wanted to reach out again as we have grown and evolved and get a 2nd look. Please advise - happy for any further support, guidance and assistance in getting this (new) article ready for prime time, With thanks, Skiman514

Hello, Skiman514,

Can you provide a link to the deleted page? Then I can see the reason for the deletion. I don't review article drafts but I suggest you submit it to Articles for Creation for review. The reviewer can offer you their opinion. Their goal is to get your article in good enough condition so that it won't be deleted when it is moved to the main space.

Also, could you sign your talk page messages with your signature? Just use four tildes (~~~~) and it will put your name and time and date of the talk page message. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Skiman514 (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC) Thanks - will look for page link (I did not write it)

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Deletion

I would not create a page and then ask for deletion. I believe Wikipedia is the one that requested it? JohnDawson3888 (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

You made one edit to the page and it included a deletion tag. Did you cut and paste this content from elsewhere? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:44, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Index of Telangana-related articles

Please remove items altogether from lists like these, when closing deletions. Index of Telangana-related articles is a list of articles, not a list of topics that no longer have Wikipedia articles. Geschichte (talk) 08:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Liz!

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Module:Test module

Can you expound upon this unexplained reversion where you remove {{db-g2}}? That clearly qualifies as a test page and the reason to keep it around is related to phab:T268867 which was closed invalid after the submitting user was schooled on how Module:Module wikitext works. I would have subst'ed Template:Db-test-notice on the talk page of @Huji: but apparently that is protected so an anonymous IP cannot modify it (which sort of defeats the purpose of a talk page in my opinion but apparently there was WP:RD3 and WP:RD2 material posted there). I also notice you were involved in User talk:Huji/Archive 1#Module:Test module. 50.53.12.84 (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI: Huji subsequently replaced the content with {{db-self}} and I helped retag it as such (since modules do not get tagged such by default) and it was subsequently deleted but I would still like to know why you reverted my tagging of that with {{db-g2}}. Thanks. 50.53.12.84 (talk) 14:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Mahmud Muhieddine Barmada

Hi, I would like to know why you deleted the article of Mahmud Muhieddine Barmada, Despite being reviewed by User:Kj cheetham Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasouhq (talk • contribs) 13:12, 1 January 2022 (UTC) Liz

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In need of aid

Hi @Liz, I wanted to ask if it is advisable to move the draft Kabelo Secondary School to article space (after the I add the coordinates) although it is unreferenced (hatnote applied), the reason the article is unsourced is because I find the sources unreliable. Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

If you are asking what is "advisable", then, that is to submit your draft to Articles for Creation before you move it. They might decline the draft because of a lack of references but, their goal is to give you advice so that, if you follow their guidance, your article will not be deleted if it is moved into the main space of the project. It is usually required to have at least one reference to verify that this subject of the article actually exists! So, while the AFC reviewers might seem critical, if you get their approval, it is very unlikely that your article will be deleted when it is moved into main space.

What I would advise you to do is, whether you move it into article space yourself or submit it to AFC, make a copy of the content and put it on a User space page in case it does get deleted. You should always have a back-up copy of your work so that if it is deleted, you have a basic version of the article draft so you aren't restarting from scratch. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Liz,i finally moved the article to main space and added citations and coordinates to verify the existence of the school, is it okay or am I missing something ma'am? Motlatlaneo (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

You are talking about Kabelo Secondary School, right? Honestly, I'm not the best judge of new articles (that is what AFC is for) but at least your article has some valid references which is more than many school articles have so you have that in your favor. An AFC reviewer would be able to tell you if it is "good enough" but I don't think many articles are 100% safe from being tagged for deletion, it always exists as a possibility.

It's marked as a "stub" which is good, the expectations for stub articles are lower than regular articles. I think it's rare that a secondary school has "Notable alumni" so you might just remove that section. In general, from what I have seen on Wikipedia over my years, it's better to have a brief article that just states the basic facts about a subject than one that is too long, that has been "padded" with irrelevant content to make it seem more important. Many school articles make the mistake of listing every teacher, every subject the school teaches, every building on the grounds and that stuff is usually quickly removed. Remember that this article is not for prospective students considering going to this school but for anyone looking at this town, this geographic area who wants to see what schools are in the vicinity. Is there any chance there is a website or webpage where readers who want more information could go to get it? This is something you can add to the infobox. Those are my basic comments. I think it is definitely a clear, concise article on your school. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, I'll try to find a suitable url that depicts more information concerning the school

Ma'am I have been wondering, how does one upload an image on Wikimedia commons without violating the copyrights (fair use), because sometimes my work gets tagged for copyrightvio although it's my own craft? Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

RE: Welcome back!

Thank you very much for the welcome, the truth is that I had planned to write to you to apologize for the things I said without thinking about the past but you went ahead and wrote to me before haha. More than anything I have returned with the intention of improving some drafts that interest me and not focusing on wanting to be the first to create the drafts. I also wish you a Happy New Year. Bruno Vargas _{Eñe'ẽ avec moi} 03:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bruno Rene Vargas,

Oh, that is good news to hear, we need your talent and knowledge about upcoming films. I was kind of surprised that things got so competitive with you because the main editor who trying to dominate others was blocked and kicked off the platform. So, you no longer had a rival trying to take credit from you. But, believe me, I know how easy it is to become overly invested with editing on Wikipedia once it becomes a regular activity. I hope when you are interested in returning you can help some of these stubs become articles that their creators would be proud to claim as their own! Stay well. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, Johan (WMF),

I only had a vague idea that this plan was working its way through the WMF organization and I appreciate the message to let us know it is an imminent change. This will greatly affect a large number of our contributors. I, myself, started as an IP editor before I decided to eventually create an account.

Does this mean that people will no longer edit as IP accounts or just that most editors won't be able to view their IP number? Will their contributions be attributed to a randomly generated series of letters and numbers every time they edit? I understand that there are legal consequences that are mandating this change happen, it's just hard to envision how this will work and how page histories will appear. Thanks for the links, I'll go over and see if there are some answers to these questions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Emptying categories out-of-process

Hi Liz. Could you please explain what "Emptying categories out-of-process" means? I saw that in your edit summary for your removal and subsequent emptying of Category:Vidzeme from Sigulda. I'm trying to figure out why you emptied the category. Please ping me if you respond here. AlexEng^(TALK) 03:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AlexEng,

No problem, it's an expression that editors outside of those who frequent WP:CFD discussions rarely hear. Emptying categories "out of process" is removing the contents of categories so they get tagged CSD C1, are are deleted by speedy deletion. Typically, categories become empty and are deleted as "empty categories" when there is a major category reorganization or if the categories are filled by a template which is deleted at WP:TFD or if they have one article and the article gets deleted by PROD or in an AFD. There is a daily list of empty categories (see Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories) and if you look at it, you can see that it is a mostly random collection of different types of categories. That's a normal daily list. However, today, there are 27 "People from X" categories which is very unusual to see. It is a result of an editor removing all of the contents of these categories, article by article. This is not how category deletions are supposed to be done.

Now, there might be very good reasons to delete all of these categories, it could be that all of these places have somehow gotten renamed. But what an editor is supposed to do for category renames, mergers and deletions is to make a proposal at Categories for Discussion. For example, you can see some of these discussions if you look at the CFD page for January 4th. This is the proper process for deleting, merging or renaming 27 categories on one subject but, unfortunately, many editors find it faster to just empty categories than to have these discussions that are settled by consensus of interested editors.

Reverting an editor's edits is a drastic step that I've only done once or twice before and I wouldn't have done it if it had been a single category. But looking over this editor's edits, they were doing a major recategorization and their account was only a few days old....this is a huge kind of project for a new editor to take on so I have my suspicions that this is a returning editor who might have been blocked.

I hope this explains things to your satisfaction. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed explanation, Liz. That answers my question and even some follow-up questions I hadn't thought of yet. Thank you for your great work! AlexEng^(TALK) 04:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello

...old respected friend/WP colleague. I recognized your signature from long ago, at the patronymic page, and was, frankly, shocked to see you—someone I knew in an earlier life—still hard at it here. We wanted to wish you, as a sanity supporting former colleague, a Happy and safe New Year. Kind regards to you and yours. 2601:246:C700:558:7012:C16C:DDF:500B (talk) 05:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2601:246:C700:558:7012:C16C:DDF:500B,

SOOO mysterious! You aren't going to tell me who I knew you as? I'm not going to analyze your edits, just accept your good wishes.

I did take two years off from editing Wikipedia after a bout with cancer, the death of a parent, a cross-country move and a return to take some college courses in completely new fields (philosophy, literature and art history). Plus, the national politics scene changed radically in 2016 and I got absorbed with watching network news which left me a little dispirited. But the urge to fix mistakes I saw eventually returned and here I am, back at it. But my promise to myself in 2022 is to cut back on the hours I spend, it was fine during the pandemic but I need to get off my laptop and get back into the face-to-face world, or, the mask-to-mask world, for now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Just did this series of edits to Aleksandr Sorokin, and decided to show you what your earlier investments of time have yielded. in terms of quality output.

I am very sorry but gratified that the bout was decided in your favour, and that you have recovered from that and the loss and other challenges to look into those new fields. (My minor of many years ago was in philosophy, and I wed an art historian, and so I know a little of what you are engaging.) I understand the temptation with regard to the news, especially in this COVID era, and I have in fact, for work reasons, had to be immersed. But I ultimately decided that too few were actually listening to learned counsel, so that the public health fight was for others with more long term calling—so I toweled off (so to speak) and returned to other, more productive arenas. Here at WP, I simply try to address what I read, sometimes creating short stints, as in today's athlete, but other times engendering very long work on minor intellectual interests. (My seeming devotion, for instance, to the biography of a death row inmate began only with conviction that his and his father's writings should not be substantial sources for that BLP content, and revision of that article took an "age" (by WP standards). As for identity, I will look into ways of sharing, but after two hard chapters at the hands of others here, I am content to remain 2601... and to reach out to those I remember fondly. Cheers, Happy New Year, and I will look back here from time to time. 2601:246:C700:558:B5DC:4EAA:E1D:6C21 (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The Love of Sumako the Actress vs. The Love of the Actress Sumako

Hello Liz, could you as an admin please handle this? The Love of the Actress Sumako should redirect to The Love of Sumako the Actress, not vice versa, because the former is the common title in film literature. At its present state, it's incorrect. I tried a cut-paste-solution (not the most elegant solution, I know), but this was reversed by another user. Said user referred to WP:CUTANDPASTE; of course, being a non-admin, this doesn't help me much. Could you help here? Thanks, Robert Kerber (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert Kerber,

I'm sorry for the delay in responding, I somehow missed seeing your message. But it looks like your problem was fixed by another editor. If things are still not the way you'd like them to be, let me know and I'll try to respond more promptly. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Liz, the thing has been taken care of in the meantime. Thanks for getting back to me. Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 06:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Viewing deleted pages

Hello Liz, I guess my admin skills need an update, since I'm not able to see any more than a user name and “(log details removed) (edit summary removed)” for the deleted pages you list at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Speedy deletion idea. Could you help me with this, please? If you like, you can use e-mail. ◅ Sebastian 06:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian,

I know that some of the pages (2?) were oversighted so you wouldn't be able to see those even with admin abilities. From what I remember, they were just personal profiles from children so that content was oversighted. I hope that helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, that explains it! I just looked at the wrong pages, then. Yes, there are two that behave that way, so I presume that they have been oversighted. (Or is there any direct way to know?)

Of the others, most do indeed mention professions, but I doubt that they could ever be used for self-promotion. E.g. I got a good laugh out of Geet's “Profession-sinning”.

Much as I agree that it was silly to delete them just after you posted the links to them, couldn't that be a hint towards a solution of the problem? If the admins who deleted or moved them joined some group or category such as “admins who are happy to delete or move unencyclopedic pages” then one could just delegate that part of mopping to them and let them deal with any possible consequences such as WP:REFUND. Eventually, they would also figure out whether it's better to delete or move them. ◅ Sebastian 09:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian,

I'm afraid my frustration got the best of me with my comment about deleting examples, it just used to happen to me all of the time, especially when I was a new admin. I'd go to a fellow admin's page and ask, "What is correct thing to do about Page X?" and then an admin who was cruising by the talk page would just delete the page which kind of ended the conversation. But I think when some admins spot problematic pages, their instinct is to get rid of the offending page even if it was the central point of a discussion.

As for the discussion at WP:CSD, I think what I was hoping for was some new criteria which would less of an indictment of the editor than "promotion" and indicate that the page was inappropriate but the page creator was just misguided without any ill intent to use Wikipedia as an advertising platform. That is why for some of these pages, I mark them as "tests" because creating these profiles is usually the first and only edit many of these editors make. But I thought the chance of creating a new criteria for speedy deletion in 2022 would require a massive campaign and RFC and I don't think most editors see these rather naïve, harmless pages as really much of a problem, at least not serious enough to change a long-standing policy. But I survey upcoming stale drafts and I see dozens of these sorts of pages every day so I wanted to at least initiate a conversation about them so that more editors were aware of the fact that many very young editors see creating their own Wikipedia page as similar to creating a social media profile page on Instagram or Facebook. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

As for me, my primary reaction with your OP was to sympathize with your frustration. But while I found the suggestion for such a new criterium sounded reasonable, I didn't see an urgent need for it. “Profession-sinning” editors, or at least editors with big penises, have been around for 17 years, and what you described didn't sound so significantly different from their contributions as to require specific attention. Until about a year ago, when I last intensively dealt with new pages, I never felt a need for such a new speedy criterium. Now your last sentence sounds like you noticed a dramatic increase of such new pages just recently. If your intention was to alert us of that, then it would have been more effective to name the section accordingly and back it up with statistics. (For me, a diagram would have really driven home the point.) The very generic subject “Speedy deletion idea”, of which, if one subtracts the page title, only the notion “some idea” remains, smells too much like a solution in search of a problem. (Speaking of naming sections, now that the subject of our conversation changed, I wouldn't mind if you adjusted the headline here.) ◅ Sebastian 02:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Bali MMA

Greetings, you have deleted the page but I think you have not checked the additional citations I added or the edit summary where I have specifically mentioned why at least another AfD is required. The page has been improved from its last stage with more citations so I would request you to kindly restore the page please. Thank you. --Berantral (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Berantral,

The AfD was just closed, at the end of November, we usually don't run AfDs back-to-back, they are typically done years apart, not weeks. One or two new references wouldn't overturn a consensus decision at an AfD to delete this article. You also misrepresented the decision at this AfD discussion in an edit summary, it wasn't a "soft delete", it was a straight decision to delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

Deleted content

Hi there. You recently deleted a sandbox page that I was working on. I was asked to created a bio for myself to send to someone who wanted to create a page for me in Wikipedia. I thought the easiest way to do that was to get the fundamentals of the breakdown created in a sandbox that was not published and I could Edit it and then just copy pasta to the person who wants to create my bio. I thought it was a sandbox that no one could see and I was using it to just learn the fundamentals for editing a couple other pages. Learning to use Wikipedia has been on my bucket list for some time. I apologize for anything I did wrong. Is there any way to get the work that I did back? Or is it gone forever? It doesn't need to be on Wikipedia, But I would like to get the draft I was working on back. Again, I thought it was just and sandbox to play in and learn and did not think it was published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardtmartin (talk • contribs) 17:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bernardtmartin,

There are times when admins can restore pages that were deleted, Bernard. But in this case, it was deleted not just for being promotional but for being a copyright violation of your LinkedIn page. For legal reasons, content taken directly from other sites or sources can't remain on Wikipedia and so this can't be restored. I can email you the content if you'd like.

As far as wanting a biography of yourself on Wikipedia, I encourage you to read over Wikipedia:Autobiography on why this action is discouraged, primarily because it's almost impossible to write one with a neutral point-of-view because of the natural conflict-of-interest we all have about ourselves.

There is also a good essay, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and the message there is that if there is an article about you on Wikipedia, you would have no control over what content editors would add to it or remove from it. I don't know anything about you or your life but an article might not highlight aspects of your career that you are the proudest of. As hard as it might seem to get an article on to Wikipedia, once it is created and approved, it can also be a challenge to remove it should it ever turn into a biography that you are unhappy about. Wikipedia regularly gets requests from people who want their biographical articles removed from the project. Just something to consider in your quest for an article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

HelloLiz. Thank you. Yes please email me the content. Thanks much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardtmartin (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hank Kunneman

Courtesy notification of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hank Kunneman. While I'm with you in firmly believing it should be deleted—the sourcing is totally inadequate for any BLP, let alone one making contentious claims like this—I can't really justify deleting it under A7. The coverage he gets is itself a prima facie credible claim of significance, so a speedy deletion would reasonably be appealed which would in turn have the perverse effect of making it harder to delete the page since people would see "this page was previously kept" in the history. Much as I dislike the AfD circus, I think this is one that's going to need to be done the long way round. ‑ Iridescent 09:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Iridescent,

That sounds sensible, Iridescent. When I tag pages like these, instead of deleting them, I'm really looking for a second opinion. This fellow seems like a kook Wikipedia doesn't need a bio of but probably borderline as far as notability goes and I can now see that AFD is the proper step to take. Thanks for informing me about opening this deletion discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Iduma igariwey

i believe on its talk page i had objected to moving it, as per Wikipedia:Drafts#Objections. RZuo (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RZuo,

Are you talking about Draft:Iduma igariwey? You placed an objection on the talk page last summer about moving the draft. But the draft was deleted yesterday as a CSD G13 abandoned draft because the page hadn't been edited since July 7, 2021. Placing an objection on a talk page six months ago won't stop an abandoned draft being deleted the next year. What will prevent a deletion is to continue to work on the draft. Drafts that have been abandoned (unedited for at least six months) aren't kept around indefinitely, we have a speedy deletion criteria that is specifically about their deletion.

Do you plan on working on this one and improving it? Because if the answer is "yes", then I'd be happy to restore it. Let me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Drafts#Objections: "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace, and if it is not notable, list it at AfD." "If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc." RZuo (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

i repeat, Wikipedia:Drafts#Objections has put it clearly, that such a page can only have two outcomes -- either being moved back, or being moved back and listed at afd. Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Incubation: "Incubation is not intended to be a "backdoor route to deletion"." there is no ground for any speedy deletion once an objection has been made. the draft was not abandoned, but pending a move.--RZuo (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RZuo,

I told you that if you wanted the draft restored I would do it but you seem to care more about arguing than working on this draft.

I deleted this draft because it met the criteria for speedy deletion, CSD G13, that is the extent of my involvement. I didn't move this page. You can argue about whether or not the page should have been moved with the editor or admin who moved the page, which is what you should have done in July 2021 instead of leaving a message on a draft talk page that no one would ever see.

If you want to work on improving this draft page, I will restore it but if you want to argue about policy interpretations, please find someone else or somewhere else to do that. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz. I have fixed the issues, and the article is now at Iduma Igariwey. It is obviously a stub but I an sure it is not amenable to speedy deletion and will survive an AfD,--Ymblanter (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

And now it was converted into a redirect, so that the issue is moot anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

S$

$S welcome --CBFuc782 (talk) 17:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge Deborah Tucker (skater) with Deborah Tucker (actress)

Hi Liz,

Not very technically savvy, I’m trying to merge myself as my name shows up in two different places on Wikipedia. How do I go into my actress page and at least add “Deborah Tucker” and “Figure skating at the Winter Universiade”, event link here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_at_the_Winter_Universiade

…both my name and event as live links when you click on them, added to my actress page (possible)??

I don’t need a separate skater page on its own, as I don’t have other skating titles, (only competed at nationals in 1985 and 1986, and didn’t make podium) but it would be nice when you click on “Deborah Tucker” under 1985 Ladies Bronze at “Figure skating at the Winter Universiade” it would go to my actress page.

Please help, and email me with any questions as that would be easier than through this (hoping this message even gets to you or to the powers that be).

Thanks,

Deborah Tucker (actress/skater) Tucker.deb@gmail.com Debralynn28! (talk) 00:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Alien, Machine or Human?

What! are you a robot, alien or human? It’s 1:18 in New Jersey. Get some sleeepppp!!! Celestina007 (talk) 06:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007!

Oh, I'm not in New Jersey any more. I did live there for 20 years though. But I'm in the Pacific Northwest now so it's only about 10:30 pm. Bedtime soon! It must be early morning where you are!

I've spent the last few hours not editing but reading old noticeboard cases and SPI case reports, trying to catch up on things. I use to spend a lot of time participating on noticeboards when I first started editing but it came out as a very negative thing at my RfA so I rarely visit them now. But staying away has made me out-of-the-loop on certain events that have occurred on Wikipedia since last summer. It seems like there has been a fair amount of the regular drama, but I really hate how what seem like small disputes can get taken to ANI and spiral out-of-control and sometimes backfire on people. It really is a court of last resort unless there is a huge problem that needs to be addressed quickly.

Any way, I hope you are well and the new year has started off smoothly for you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh! That’s a 9 hour time difference, yes it’s barely 8:06am in the city of Lagos, The new year has been great for me! To expatiate on your point when I had surgery sometime last year and was still in admission and spent a great amount of time on the hospital bed what I predominantly did was read some ANI's from way before my time and a general dive into history, I found it kind of interesting and bizarrely therapeutic. Celestina007 (talk) 07:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Cobra Pumps

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Addred85

Hi, Liz. I apologize for creating confusion in creating the page for David Mead's album Cobra Pumps. Is there no way to delete either the "draft" version (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cobra_Pumps_(David_Mead_album)) or the "real" version (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Pumps_(David_Mead_album))? It's fine with me if one is deleted, or both, and I start from scratch with specific instructions on how to create a proper page. I think I created the page for Dudes correctly, but maybe not? Creating pages and uploading album covers under "fair use" guidelines (see also: the album cover I uploaded for Dudes) are two things that seemed easier several years ago, but maybe I'm wrong — it's been a while. Again, I apologize, and thank you for your patience.

Hello, Addred85,

I decided that, rather that deletion, I'd turn the draft into a redirect to Cobra Pumps (David Mead album) in order to preserve the page history.

Please in the future sign your talk page posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). This will sign your message with your username, a link to your user page and the time and date of your message. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Liz! —Addred85

Approve Draft:Prince Ukpong Akpabio

please i have made changes to the page Prince Ukpong Akpabio still save in draft.please review and approve Edyreuben (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Edyreuben,

I don't review drafts but it looks like you have already decided to move Prince Ukpong Akpabio II to the main space of the project. I would have recommended you submit the draft to Articles for Creation to prevent a speedy deletion tagging. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Tala Halawa AfD

Greetings Liz,

I've just noticed that you've closed the deletion discussion on the aforementioned article. I hadn't realized it's been seven days since my nomination (how sloppy of me). Would it be possible to reopen and extend the discussion, as it had exactly two keep comments (with hardly any content) and no discussion: hardly a consensus. I was holding off on responding, lest other impartial parties take part in a meaningful discussion, but was beat by the clock. I really hope that my sloppiness and the apparent lack of interest (and perhaps not advertising in the correct fora) doesn't result in the perpetuation of this unencyclopedic and unsalvageable article which is about a single event that happened to a non-notable living young lady. Best regards! --Fjmustak (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fjmustak,

I'm not 100% certain that this is the correct step to take but I'm new to closing AfD discussions so I've accommodated your request. I think 2 keep votes is sufficient to decide to Keep an article but I've reopened the discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I appreciate your accommodation. --Fjmustak (talk) 00:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Anyone can edit" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Wikipedia:Anyone can edit and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 11#Anyone can edit until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Restore Article of Sanjaysinh Sukhdevsinh Gohil

Hi, Liz. I saw that you deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjaysinh_Sukhdevsinh_Gohil under CSD G4. It's my understanding that it was Created by mistake. Would you mind restoring it to draft ? so i can continue editing draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by CassanoVincenzo (talk • contribs) 05:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CassanoVincenzo,

This article was just deleted through an AFD discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanjaysinh Sukhdevsinh Gohil, so, no, I can't restore a page that was a recreation of a page just deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Talk page deletions

Hi Liz! I was about to drop a note on The Banner's talk page to say that we don't usually delete user talk pages, but I see you are deleting them, so I figured I'd double-check with you first to see if I was missing anything. 28bytes (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing something. And that is that I am restructuring my old archives. From 12 monthly archives I bundle them into 1 yearly archive. The Banner talk 21:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification. 28bytes (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 28bytes and The Banner,

Not sure if this is worked out but my understanding is that we don't delete THE User Talk page but that it was okay to delete User Talk Archive pages. I have to say that The Banner is only the 2nd or 3rd editor I've run into who requested Talk Archive pages to be deleted, it's not a common request but I thought that it was okay because all of the edit history is still on their main User Talk page. If I'm incorrect, let me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz; no, you're fine, I deleted the rest of them. It wasn't clear to me what was going on but The Banner explained it so we're all good. Sorry to have bothered you! 28bytes (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Re:Mayor of Wigan

Hi Liz, I looked at criteria for speedy deletion and think it might fail WP:A7 and WP:Notability. There's a significant lack of coverage outside of Wigan.gov.uk (the only source in the article), that I suspect is unreliable (couldn't find anything at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard). Thanks, CalSmith2 (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CalSmith2,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your message about Mayor of Wigan. So far, two different administrators have removed speedy deletion tags you placed on this article. I think the problem here is that you appear to be a very new editor and you are not familiar with our deletion processes. Criteria for speedy deletion are very specific and you can not tag a page "Delete" and then insert your own reason. However, if you use Proposed deletion or Articles for Deletion then you can put forth an argument on why you believe an article should be deleted...you can not do this with speedy deletion.

If you have questions about editing Wikipedia or its variety of deletion processes, please bring them to the Teahouse which is a forum for new editors to ask more experienced editors for advice and support. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Improper CFDS

Why did you speedy rename Category:16th-century Persian mathematicians, even though the rename was opposed at WP:CFDS? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:11, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hwllo, LaundryPizza03,

Typically, when these proposed renamed categories appear on the Empty Category list, it's because they've been approved and emptied. If that's not the case here, then I will restore it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please restore. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy#Opposed_requests. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done earlier today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Empty category with invisible member

Hey Liz, do you know why Category:Belgium weatherbox templates page information is showing it having one page in it but the category looks empty to me? Gonnym (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gonnym,

Thanks for letting me know. Admins have been having problems with category counts for speedy deletion categories since last night and I wonder if this is an extension of that issue. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Problems with speedy deletion category counts. I see no other reason why there would be a message saying the category isn't empty when it clearly is. Unfortunately, looking into the Phab ticket for this problem, WMF deploys new software for the English Wikipedia on Thursdays and the message on the ticket was doubtful whether any WMF developer could look into this over the weekend. If this is all the same problem, then it can't be limited to just this Wikipedia.

But I've brought up issues with inaccurate category counts for years--pages tagged as being in a category but when you look at the category page, they aren't there!--without much of a response from the WMF developers who thought it was a low priority problem. It's mainly a problem that has come up with stale drafts and empty categories which aren't really a priority for anyone unless one is part of the clean-up crew. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Favor

Hey L, coming straight to you to help me avoid WP:ANI drama with another user. As you know I spend much time on our red categories report, and this time User:寒吉 is responsible for a large number of the of the red categories (here's just one diff). When I started to remove them from each page to which that user had added them, that user reverted my edits without comment or discussion, and when I went to the user's talk page to discuss, at User talk:寒吉#Please do not revert edits without_discussion, well you see how that went: near as I can tell the user wants me to create all of the categories? Appears may be a WP:NOTHERE situation and is certainly disruptive. If I am off base let me know; otherwise can you please provide me some administrator support? Pinging @寒吉:. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:35, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, UnitedStatesian,

While we haven't seen eye-to-eye 100% of the time, I value the work that you do and we have assisted each other in the past when it comes to working with categories. Unfortunately, this is not the best time for me, I'm heading to bed soon and leaving town for my first weekend away since the pandemic started.

The only resistance I've encountered to WP:REDNO are the red link User categories that people seem to like to create and trying to explain how we allow 2 of them (User pages and User talk pages) and no more sometimes doesn't go over well. But there shouldn't be edit wars over removing red links. I'll try to look into this tonight. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Found two similar article

I have found two similar article about a Malayalam film: Ammavanu Pattiya Amali and Ammaavanu Pattiya Amali. Both represent the same movie. So could you delete the latter one or guide me on how to delete it. As the second one doesn't have any reference either, the first one has much more information than the second. Aadirulez8 (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aadirulez8,

It looks like UnitedStatesian already did what I would have advised you to do which is not to delete the article but change it into a redirect to the article you want the focus to be upon. Then you retain the page history so any information that is useful in the other version is available to you, with proper attribution, of course. Deletion isn't always the best way to resolve these dueling version problems. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Puppet (Tyler, the Creator song)

Hi Liz. This article was moved to mainspace by you, but recently another editor has blanked and redirected it. I was wondering if you had any stance on whether the article is suitable for mainspace/passes notability guidelines? ––FormalDude talk 09:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FormalDude,

I don't have an opinion of this particular article but I do have an opinion about creating a second version of this piece in Draft space. Please don't do this! If you disagree with changing it into a redirect, you can ask the editor who did this about this. But the version that already exists in the page history should not be superseded by a new draft version that you've cut and pasted. Please work with the version that you first created and that can mean that you "un-redirect" the page. But I'd talk to the other editor first so that you understand why they changed the page into a redirect so this doesn't become an edit war. But, please, we really don't need two copies of articles about the same subject. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Jonathan Jacoby

Hi Liz,

We are frustrated at not being able to meet the standards set by your editors, which btw come across as confused and inconsistent. There are so many pages published on the site now that include flawed information and questionable sources. Sources included with our submission are legitimate publications. We don't understand how why we are not allowed.

Is this about having to pay someone off? Do we have to "hire" an agency approved by your editors to get published? Please advise.

Cynthia 2600:1700:352B:20:CC82:768E:301:33EE (talk) 06:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

dropping by, I took a look at Draft:Jonathan Jacoby. It was deleted only because nobody was working on it, and it can be restored. So I have done so. I was the reviewer who first declined it, so I have given you some advice on the draft page. I assume you are CyncoLA. Please always sign in with your account. The first and essential thing to do is to declare if you have a conflict of interest, as appears probable. See our rules at WP:COI, and WP:PAID, ifthat applies. The article will not be approved until you have made a statement about this on the draft. I cannot edit the article directly, and I do not think I should directly edit the draft, because I am a member of at least one of the organizations he has been affiliated with. The advice I give you here and on the draft is the general advice I would give anyone writing about any organization. DGG ( talk ) 06:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Review

Hi, Liz Please review this Article , Thanks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susovan 2409:4060:201E:5ED0:0:0:C47:C8A0 (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Please restore per Erik Boivie on English Wikipedia

Hi Liz, on December 24, 2021, you deleted the contribution Per Erik Boivie from English Wikipedia, where it had been since October 2018. You state that is is not "notable". The creator of TCO Certified - the world's leading sustainability certification for IT products is notable and I hope you will restore it. My very best regards, Yngve Sundblad, y@kth.se Professor emeritus in Computer Science / Human-Computer Interaction Royal institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvesund (talk • contribs) 11:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

CSD for User:Menace_Gettin_Money_Glock

Twinkle wouldn't let me add a link as a comment unless it was specifically to a MFD, but there was no previous discussion to link to -- it didn't go through MfD. It speedily deleted as a G3 a couple hours before recreation... jp×g 09:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Sterling K. Frost Wikipedia Article

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Hi. I understand that you have placed my page for deletion because of possible copyright violations. I have carefully rewritten the article in my sandbox here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gabcol/sandbox. Can you let me know if the rewrite is clear now as I have made the edits? Gabcol (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gabcol,

The copyright violation tool says it still closely resembles the bio on this First Citizens Group page. But above all, I can't ever verify that a page will never be tagged for deletion no matter how well-written an article is. No one can give you a guarantee.

What I would recommend is submitting your draft for review to Articles for Creation, AfC reviewers have a better sense on what is an acceptable article and what is likely to survive than the rest of us. That's their job, reviewing drafts and making recommendations so they won't get deleted if moved into main space. So, their opinion is worth more than mine is.

If you have general questions about editing on Wikipedia, I recommend bringing them to the Teahouse. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Revdel

this please. Cheers --Megan B.... ^{It’s all coming to me} till the end of time 22:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Synoman Barris,

It looks like Spencer already got to it. Thanks for bringing it to an admin's attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Letha Weapons

I spent hours researching and writing Letha Weapons? I thought it was pretty good, Why did you delete it? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Polycarpa aurata,

As the deletion note states on the article page, this article was just deleted in an AFD decision, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Letha Weapons. Any recreation of this article in main space will be deleted unless it is judged to be "substantially different" from the version that was deleted.

As far as I know, the only way to overcome an AFD decision to "Delete" is to work on an article in Draft space and submit it to approval to Articles for Creation. Without getting approval from an AfC reviewer, any article on this subject moved into main space will be deleted. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, I don't mean to be rude, but how am I supposed to know that? I noticed Letha Weapons didn't have a page when I created the page for John Wayne Bobbitt Uncut. I put a lot of work into her page and now it is all lost? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, it states right on the page that it was deleted due to an AFD decision just 11 days ago. If you look at Letha Weapons, it states this right on the page.

I'm willing to restore your version and move it to your sandbox so you can submit it to AfC. But if you try to move it right back into main space, it will be deleted again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

It literally says "If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue." So I did. I had no idea that it was just deleted. Can you direct me to the rules about creating pages that have been deleted? Thanks. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 00:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review for Letha Weapons

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Letha Weapons. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, Polycarpa aurata, thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Please restore my Draft: Antonin Beliard

Hi Liz, I am TotoB12 I have recently worked on my own Wikipedia page for a few months now. I have just learnt that you have deleted it, citing the fact that I have not modified in the last six months. I edited the page not longer than two weeks ago, and so I do not understand the reason of this deletion. Thanks, TotoB12