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Auto density only showing 2 significant figures

When you use the 'auto' template it automatically rounds the population density to 2 significant figures. Is there any reason for this? I would think rounding to the units density would be better but there might be something I'm not aware of. C1MM (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

there has been some discussion about this before. the obvious thing to do would be to round the sigfigs of area, but apparently that had some unintended consequences when the area had a lot of sigfigs. I imagine we could put a max and min on the number of sigfigs but generally use the sigfigs of area? Frietjes (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request 2021-09-28 - section headline

Please add -- ***Tracking categories*** -- sandbox TerraCyprus (talk) 12:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

not done. it's not clear why this is needed when it adds more bytes to the transcluding articles. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

nothing is "needed", whole WP is not "needed", but it is helpful. TerraCyprus (talk) 02:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done This has already been objected to, hence it lacks sufficient consensus to proceed; reinstating the edit request template is disruptive. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The objection was accompagnied by "it is not clear why this is needed" - but I didn't claim it would be needed. On top I stated it is helpful. No one has demonstrated that this claim is untrue. TerraCyprus (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Curious as to how that edit is helpful? and do other iboxes with checks for unk. parameters have this? If not, do you plan to add it to all such iboxes? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 04:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you first explain why other section headlines are in the template? Maybe then you find an answer yourself? TerraCyprus (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Deactivating edit request template - establish consensus first before re-filing a formal edit request please. firefly ( t · c ) 11:46, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Firefly: can you explain why? Is there a policy? TerraCyprus (talk) 11:49, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@TerraCyprus - the general process for filing and handling edit requests is outlined here. It says that an edit request template should only be used if the change either has consensus or is clearly uncontroversial. This change is not uncontroversial as it has already been objected to, and I do not see a consensus to implement it. firefly ( t · c ) 11:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request 2021-09-28 - tracking no settlement type

Please add a new tracking category sandbox TerraCyprus (talk) 12:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

added. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request 2021-09-29 - tracking subdivision type not Country

@Frietjes and Jonesey95: What do you think about Category:Pages using infobox settlement with subdivision type not Country to detect abnormal settings like this. I only found that example because it had another issue, a missing value for type. TerraCyprus (talk) 11:45, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that other values are allowed. The documentation says |subdivision_type= should be set as follows: "almost always Country" but does not explain when or why. The TemplateData monthly report says that there are > 50 unique values in that parameter across all articles. Do you have any insight into these exceptions? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, have you thought about taking on Category:Pages using infobox settlement with unknown parameters, real errors, before attempting to deal with the sort of tidying that you have been taking on recently? I'm not telling you what to do, but there is some ugly stuff in that category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request clarification of restrictions on "settlement_type"

I am trying to understand the rules on what is allowed in the settle type field. I have looked extensively for a list of rules or guidelines without success.

Stated instructions say, "Any type can be entered, such as...[examples]".

Implied restrictions come from the "Tracking categories" listed at the bottom of the template page. Category:Pages using infobox settlement with bad settlement type, states, "These are settlement types that have a subdivision name in them or have multiple settlement types in them."

So by implication:

1) Do not include specific names of places, ie the settlement name, nor its parent jurisdictions, or sub-jurisdictions. For example: use "State capital" rather than "State capital of New York"

2) Use only one settlement type. If more than one settlement type applies, select [??? please advise ???]. For example: use "County Seat" rather than "County seat & Census-designated place"

Is that correct? Are there other restrictions? Is there a list of approved "settlement types"? On several talk pages there has been discussion about preferring either, "Census-designated place" or "Unincorporated community" (or the merged title "Unincorporated area"). Is there consensus on this topic? Katrazyna (talk) 20:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in general you are correct. But there is no hard rule on this because this infobox is used for places worldwide - many of which follow their own format. So be consistent with the format of other places in the jurisdiction of the article you want to edit (e.g. if you want to edit articles of place in New York State, follow the pattern of other places in NY or even in the USA). Regards, -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 12:26, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My following comments only concern communities in the United States...
A) For county seats, I include both in the infobox & intro section. For example: "City and County seat"
B) Any community that is incorporated should be described using legal terms that are defined by each state in USA, which varies from state to state. See Places chapter by U.S. Census Bureau, which I added as a reference to List of cities in Kansas years ago. Please don't automatically change a term as a community increases or decreases in size, because in many cases a community has to legally request the term be changed. If you aren't sure how to describe a community, then look at their website (if they have one).
C) Census-designated place (CDP) is a term defined by U.S. Census Bureau, which is why I use "Unincorporated community" in the infobox and intro section, and add the following to the Demographics section.
"For statistical purposes, the United States Census Bureau has defined this community as a census-designated place (CDP)."
D) See how I handled CDP in the following examples: Bavaria, Kansas / Template:Saline County, Kansas / Saline County, Kansas#Communities
• Sbmeirow • Talk • 15:54, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sbmeirow, thank you for the response. Those are great examples, and I like the way you handled the unincorporated communities vs CDPs.
One question. When you put "City and County seat" in the infobox, doesn't that make it show up on the "Category:Pages using infobox settlement with bad settlement type" which means it is "bad"? Can you give an example of using both settlement types? Thank you! Katrazyna (talk) 23:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Leavenworth, Kansas • Sbmeirow • Talk • 01:49, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Sbmeirow but Magnolia677 says that is against the rules and reverts every change that includes 2 settlement types. Reason: "per Template:Infobox settlement". Is there another "not against the rules of Template:Infobox settlement" way to indicate this? Katrazyna (talk) 23:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure which of the timezone templates is causing it, but this template can show broken links to timezone articles. For example on the article Cherokee nation, it links to UTC– 06:00 instead of the correct UTC−06:00. Zt-freak (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a GIGO issue: the infobox contained |utc_offset=– 06:00 when it should have said |utc_offset=–06:00. Fixing the article is easier than bodging a fix in the template. Primefac (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why did it work for −05:00, but not for −06:00? Zt-freak (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

there aren't weather metric?

is there a parameter? bi (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion opened

A discussion was opened at Template talk:Infobox German place#Dialectal version in the field of the German name with regard to the |German_name parameter (corresponding to |native_name in the more general template). 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 10:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flags?

The guidance here at # subdivisions (Flag icons or flag templates can be used in this field per WP:MOSFLAG.) seems to contradict MOS:INFOBOXFLAG (Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes) — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also an ongoing discussion at WT:MOS#MOS:DECOR and navboxes--Ymblanter (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The recent revert by DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered at Shrewsbury seems to imply an existing policy against the flags — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but sorry, no, it implies nothing that well-organized – just a belief that I had seen it around, and a quick look at some other places to confirm (biasedly???) that it is not present in some others I randomly checked. Please see my edit summaries there, which are not, I hope, too much of a claim of Cosmic Rightness™. So if I am wrong I am happy to be educated about it, and I had perhaps better stay off these edits if there is an ongoing debate. My personal view is against their use, sure, but I am not going to pick up the cudgels over this and will wait to see what emerges. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 12:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. The above debate is directed to Navboxes, but I assume it would also apply to Infoboxes. I will await any conclusion and then try to clear up the conflict in this documentation — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 12:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will watch and wait. And I have told the IP I'm backing off too, just in case. Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:33, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As the originator of the ongoing discussion at WT:MOS, I'd say that it is dedicated to another kind of icons (NOT the inline flags produced by {{flag}} and similar) within another kind of templates (the navboxes). It is aimed to address the very particular issue, and it better stay specific to its original purpose. That said, I of course welcome you all to watch it and to comment there.
And as to the present discussion, I see it simply: there certainly is a contradiction between the doc and MOS:INFOBOXFLAG, and certainly the latter takes precedence, so the former should definitely be edited to comply. Thank you Ghost for pointing it out. — Mike Novikoff 18:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template parameter query - largest city vs largest town

Hi. Trying to keep it brief:

  1. Yes, I am a klutz at templates and how they work, sorry;
  2. I have a simple objective, which is in the infobox of the article Northumberland to change the label for where Blyth is mentioned from Largest city to Largest town since the former is wrong and the latter correct: Blyth is not a city.
  3. Just changing city to town in the parameter name doesn't work, obvs.
  4. I can't see where it even getting Largest city from; it doesn't seem to be listed in {{Infobox English county}} and, bizarrely (to me) I can't even find here in the parent template either, but that might well just be me being thick. I've already unsuccessfully asked at the English County one, btw.
  5. I vaguely understand that if I could find where these parameters live then I could edit the template (or, more realistically, ask for it to be edited) so that Largest town is available, but I Can't even Get Started on that when I can't even see where it is picking up Largest city from.
  6. Help, please!
  7. Note: people dealing with UK placenames already know why it cannot say that Blyth is a city: in the UK it is simply not one. For others, this is well explained at City status in the United Kingdom.

Finally, I am sorry if this is all a bit of an FAQ and/or sounds gormless but it's one of those wikipedia-classic moments where it is probably nice and obvious as long as you already know it ... I would really appreciate your help here. Thanks and best wishes to all, DBaK (talk) 14:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization fix needed in Module:Settlement short description

Module:Settlement short description uses |settlement_type= to generate a short description if one is not provided in the article. This is a request to change that module's code to convert the first character of the resulting short description into a capital letter, per WP:SDFORMAT. You can see a lower-case short description currently at Homokmégy. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added an edit request template here, hoping that someone with basic Lua skills can take a look at it. I do not have enough Lua knowledge to suggest a detailed change, but it looks like relevant lines may be one or more of the following:
39: function p.validate  (perhaps a gsub replacement pattern, or some elegant use of {{ucfirst:string}})
76: 	local settlement_type = p.validate(plain(args.settlement_type or args.type), "settlement type") or "Place"
???
Any help will be welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done * Pppery * it has begun... 21:11, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am suggesting that a new field be added to template for PLSS used on all Townships

I think that all Townships within Wikipedia should have their Public Land Survey System shown in the infobox. For Hollywood township this would be shown as: Township 117 North, Range 26 West, Fifth Principal Meridian of the Public Land Survey System. I have placed it under geography for the townships of Carver county but I believe it should be placed in the infobox to the right by underneath Coordinates or a new box on its own. Any thoughts?

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