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Swigert's Removal

Per Deke Slayton, and verified by Andrew Chaikin and other space historians, Jack Swigert was in fact assigned to ASTP as CMP, but was removed prior to the official crew announcement as punishment for his involvement in the stamp scandal. The actual grounding wasn't for having actually been involved in the sale of the First Day Covers the A15 crew took with them to the Moon, but for having lied to Deke Slayton about whether he'd had any knowledge of the transaction. Although the NASA PAO recommended that Swigert be removed from the assignment because of his involvement - regardless of how peripheral it was - with the stamp scandal,, Deke Slayton confirmed numerous times before his passing that the actual reason was not that he was involved, but that Swigart had lied to Deke in the face repeatedly when interrogated about said involvement. [unsigned]

If this is supported with reliable sources, it can be added into the article. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 10:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unclear citations of Committee on Aeronautical and Space Sciences, Soviet Space Programs, 1971–75

In eight places in the article, there are citations referencing "Committee on Aeronautical and Space Sciences, Soviet Space Programs, 1971–75. Washington: U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976." I see Vol. I (668 pp.)and Vol. II (221 pp.) on the Internet Archive. It would be helpful if citations referenced specific pages in the report. —Undomelin (talk) 18:45, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak language use.

In the sentence "The assassination of Kennedy on November 22, 1963 and the removal from office of Khruschev on October 14, 1964, made any personal preferences of the respective leaders moot." the last word moot is a poor choice as there was no longer any need for debate or discussion.

Idyllic press (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is precisely what the word moot means, though. In American English, anyway. And there really is no other word in (any variety of) English that means exactly what moot does in American English. so... Firejuggler86 (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Suitability of a quote

This article currently contains the following:

The Americans also had their own concerns about Soviet spacecraft. Christopher C. Kraft, director of the Johnson Space Center, criticized the design of the Soyuz:

"We in NASA rely on redundant components — if an instrument fails during flight, our crews switch to another in an attempt to continue the mission. Each Soyuz component, however, is designed for a specific function; if one fails, the cosmonauts land as soon as possible. The Apollo vehicle also relied on astronaut piloting to a much greater extent than did the Soyuz machine."[1]

I removed the last line because it's a criticism of the Apollo, not of the Soyuz. Editor BilCat claims that it is in fact a criticism of the Soyuz.

Reasons it is more likely a criticism of the Apollo:

  • It's phrased as a limitation ("relied on astronaut piloting"). If it were being presented as a benefit, something like "allowed astronaut piloting" would be much more likely.
  • In context in the source, Kraft criticizes the Soyuz, then has this mystery line, and then expresses an issue about both programs, making it likely that he's listing concerns about both of them in the paragraph.

This is an issue of likelihood--there isn't hard evidence either way. But that means we shouldn't be presenting it as criticism of the Soyuz. Dan Bloch (talk) 03:19, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ezell, Edward; Ezell, Linda (1978). "Foreword". The Partnership: A History of the Apollo–Soyuz Test Project. Washington, D.C.: NASA. Public Domain This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
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