Talk:Barbados

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021

AddRepublic of Barbados 2601:47:4380:AFD8:5191:B58E:A5AB:7F7C (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

When will they become a republic?

Will the country become a republic at the stroke of mid-night Barbados time? GoodDay (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes. 199.7.157.76 (talk) 03:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Republic of Barbados?

Reading through the Constitution (Amendment) (No. 2 ) Bill, 2021, it contains no reference to a change in name of the Country to officially "The Republic of Barbados", unless someone has a source for an official name change the name should stay simply "Barbados" in my opinion WanukeX (talk) 04:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed; I've been unable to find any sources saying that the name has changed to anything, and as such should probably remain as simply "Barbados." OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I also Agree; I've been looking and found no sources so should remain simply as Barbados until it can be sourced.Lankyant (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

In fact, this source states:

The Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology named November 30 as "the day of independence" for the island, which will continue to be known as Barbados rather than the Republic of Barbados.
A ministra da Ciência, Inovação e Tecnologia apontou o dia 30 de novembro como "o dia da independência" da Ilha, que continuará a ser conhecida como Barbados ao invés de República de Barbados.

Skyshifter ^talk 15:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Not many republics have the word republic, in there country's official name. GoodDay (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I'd disagree. For non-Federations it is pretty common to include "Republic of" in the Official Name. Can you think of any non Federations that don't have "Republic of_" in their official name? (LIST HERE) Only one I could think of is "Commonwealth of Dominica", and that's because if they were the 'Republic of Dominica' then that could confused them as the Dominican Republic further north. CaribDigita (talk) 06:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

In this source (Goverment of Barbados' website) it states:

It was probably the last accreditation ceremony for the High Commissioner with Her Majesty’s inscription on the Letters of Credence. The next phase will be endorsed by the President of the Republic of Barbados.

Salvabl (talk) 17:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

That's a bit weak to source an official name change of the actual country. It's possible that the long-form title of the president includes "Republic" but the actual name of the nation does not. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Another source (dated AUG 21, 2021) - PM Outlines Republic Journey For Barbados:

“There is no change to the flag.  There is no change to the name of Independence Day; there is no change to the name of Barbados.  Barbados is Barbados.  We’re not the Commonwealth of Barbados; we’re not the Republic of Barbados; Barbados is Barbados.  We are also not changing our pledge,” the Prime Minister stated.

That's from gisbarbados.gov.bb (Barbados Government Information Service) OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Reading the Constitutional Amendment, the Title is Officially just "The President of Barbados" WanukeX (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The Constitutional Amendment is conclusive as to what the country calls itself. It refers to the "President of Barbados", the "Parliament of Barbados" and "the Constitution and supreme law of Barbados", as well as providing that in the Amendment "'State' means Barbados". Errantius (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Phonemic vs. phonetic brackets

In the paragraph "Etymology" it says in the third section:

"the Igbo phoneme [e] in the Igbo orthography is very close to /ɪ/."

Surely, the brackets should be swapped here. Phonemes are always put in phonemic brackets, i.e. /.../, whereas phones (speech sounds) should use phonetic brackets, i.e. [...]. The section should say:

"the Igbo phoneme /e/ in the Igbo orthography is very close to [ɪ]."

Can someone fix this? --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

That rendering is a function of the {{IPAc-en}} template. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2021

Republic of Barbados 64.119.192.20 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Unless you can provider a source that the name has changed,  Not done. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Page: Barbados (1966–2021).

Now that Barbados has become a republic, would it not make sense to create the page Barbados (1966–2021) similar to the Mauritius (1968–1992) page. --Kappasi (talk) 12:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes. J 1982 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2021

Republic of Barbados 64.119.192.8 (talk) 04:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 05:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The CIA World Factbook Updated Entry For Barbados

According to the updated entry for Barbados on the CIA World Fact Book (See here) It stated that the Barbados government type is "Parliamentary Republic; a Commonwealth Realm" whereas Wikipedia show it as a "Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic". Before I edit the page and start a s**t storm of anger and edit wars I wanted to discuss it first on the talk page. Seems to me that the Central Intelligence Agency is a reliable source about foreign governments and that using their entry from the World Factbook in the Wikipedia Barbados InfoBox under Government would be prudent. What does everyone else think. YborCityJohn (talk) 06:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

• Your mind and mine are of the same. I've brought it up too. The CIA World Factbook profiles of each country were the original source for government profiles going back to the founding on Wikipedia in the early 2000s. It was the basis for almost all country profiles on Wikipedia. Overtime the Wikipedia country articles have gotten edited to include differing Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. I have similarly highlighted that the term remains "Original Research" because no profile page anywhere (referenced) at this time says "Barbados is a _Unitary, x.y.z., cat, dog, racoon, etc., whatever you want to call it _". It is just 'assumed' that if Barbados doesn't fit other criteria then it must fall under 'that' but that is the very nature of original research which WP tries to stay away from. I am in full agreement with you.

If you goto that actual term. I've to find as many references as I could of actual pages which says "this country is unitary_blank". So it is absolving wikipedia of being the classifier as currently. Someone put one for Barbados there, but it still doesn't say that for Barbados. But I've left it alone for now. CaribDigita (talk) 06:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Paragraph suggesting that the majority of the nation was not in favor of becoming a republic

I've noted my objections here to this content; the "poll" makes no claims to being statistically sound in terms of sampling, and the additional content makes claims that are not supported in the supplied source (that the PM "refused" to hold referendums). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The first part is a Facebook poll, which clearly isn't a reliable source. The second isn't an accurate representation of the source material - it isn't just on-sided (the source gives two sides of the referendum issue) it makes even stronger claims that the source does ("refused") and does so in Wikipedia's voice. I don't think the Daily Express is a great source anyway - it has a clear agenda that would probably be at odds with the "insult" of demoting the queen. Guettarda (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Definitely think that poll was misleading. I removed it because online polls are not a reliable source and it presented a misleading picture of public opinion. Desertambition (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

So is there a consensus to remove the problematic parts of that paragraph? A User keeps reverting it. User:Gemini.skywalker 8:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'd say there is a consensus. I searched for news stories about polling around time time of the transition; I was unable to find anything that suggested that the majority of the population was opposed to it, though one article did mention that the majority of the correspondents were "indifferent," or were unclear on how the change would impact them. [1]. In any case, this article should summarize the transition to a republic concisely; we have a separate article Republicanism in Barbados that goes into greater detail. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Well I removed the paragraphs. I wasnt sure if to keep the UWI poll too for the sake of brevity but unlike the Facebook poll, It was more academic so I left that. I also removed the paragraph sourcing The Express as its clearly biased and not very reliable. User:Gemini.skywalker 7:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Ongoing Effort to Undermine Barbados's Transition to Republic

Just wanted to leave this deep dive into the history of republicanism in Barbados from University College London: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fTUZ7WmH40

The transition to republic has overwhelming public support and it is not true that any significant portion of the population opposed the move. Just thought it should be noted for future edits.

Republicanism in Barbados also has problem with biased, misleading wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertambition (talk • contribs) 04:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)