Jump to content

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naia Butler-Craig

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Paulstar57 (talk | contribs) at 03:01, 15 February 2022. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Naia Butler-Craig

Naia Butler-Craig (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Although Butler-Craig certainly has a prestigious career forthcoming, at its current status this page likely violates WP:ACADEMIC. The closest justification for Notability is the cited Forbes 30 for 30 award, which would fall under Criteria 2, but I am not sure we can consider a Forbes 30 for 30 award in the same tier (or even a tier below that) of academic awards and honors as a Nobel Prize, MacArthur Fellowship, the Fields Medal, the Bancroft Prize, the Pulitzer Prize for History, etc. This article fails all other Criteria (1, 3-8) in WP:ACADEMIC. At it's current state I support its deletion. Paulstar57 (talk) 05:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes are not not enough for notabilty. In-depth sources are needed. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]
I should have indicated that more was to come, and I have added some more details on the page. NowThis News shares a video highlighting her work, she has spoken with NPR about space propulsion, in addition to the recognition by Forbes, Popular Mechanic, and the Organization of Black Aerospace Professionals. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:54, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am changing from comment --> keep based on my opinion that she meets WP:GNG. As I already noted, she does not meet WP:PROF. Her repeated coverage by multiple, independent sources is evidence of WP:BASIC. She appears regularly in the media talking about the lack of diversity in space science, most notably in NowThis News[1] and in a podcast with scientist from NASA and Georgia Tech.[2] She has also been on NPR.[3] These three citations go beyond trivial mentions of her name, though the page includes other examples of less substantial mentions of her work. DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Seen: This Aerospace Engineer Is Pushing for More Diversity in the STEM Industry". NowThis News. August 3, 2021. Retrieved 2022-02-12.
  2. ^ All Things Aviation & Aerospace (January 3, 2022). "Remember when the Perseverance Mars Rover first landed on Mars? Hear what the guys in the trenches were saying just before it touched". audible.com (Podcast). Event occurs at 00:24:50.
  3. ^ "Happy Science Fiction Week, Earthlings! : Short Wave". NPR.org. December 20, 2021. Retrieved 2022-02-12.
  • Delete The 30 under 30 is junk and non-RS. It is not an award. All the x of y clickbait profile/muck you see, are all non-RS. They are a form of advertising. Fails WP:NPROF, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 04:12, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Most of the references in this article don't really establish a passing WP:GNG criteria. Most of them are just interviews with Butler-Craig which is fairly common in science. This would set a bad precedence of any professor or academic who does media interviews (and there are a lot!) having established Notability. I also agree with above, Forbes 30 for 30 is not seen as a credible award or honor in the science domain as an overwhelming majority in this field simply do not apply. Also, not that this is necessarily the case, but this article in its current state feels very autobiographical. --Paulstar57 (talk) 02:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am a little confused here. Paulstar57 is a new account with the only edits being to nominate this page for deletion. I don't think you then get to vote on it, or least that is my interpretation of this statement found in the guide to deletion: "If you are the nominator of an article for deletion, your desire to delete it is assumed (unless you specify that you are neutral, and nominating for other reasons). Because of this, you do not get to !vote (that is, for the second time) in your own AfD.". DaffodilOcean (talk) 03:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It does not count as two votes, only one, but the nominator is allowed to comment. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Sorry about that, edited my comment to reflect this.--Paulstar57 (talk) 05:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Reading through the material this should be a GNG issue and imho the subject does meet that notability guideline, if basically. So I agree with DaffodilOcean and Kj cheetham. Subject seems to be a worthy competitor in her field with further achievement forthcoming. Might even see her on a trip to Mars soon. This one's a keeper. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 22:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, if the community agrees that this article genuinely passes GNG, then fine. I just personally thought the benchmark was much higher for GNG than this. If this is what it takes to have notability for science communication then there are hundreds if not thousands of academics that have a similar list (just using the Forbes 30 for 30 honor means that there are 30 of these scientists a year, for over a decade now). I am relatively new to all of this, but with regards to your "further achievement forthcoming" comment, aren't there the rules against crystal predictions of the future. We need to build articles on the reality of the present not on predictions of the future.--Paulstar57 (talk) 03:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Naia_Butler-Craig&oldid=1071927855"