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Somaliland and Taiwan

On Template talk:States with limited recognition, it has been pointed out that the Taiwanese MOFA website treats Somaliland as an independent country (English, Chinese, English Africa page). This is a better indication on the topic of recognition than other sources I've seen so far. Has anyone here seen other good sources on the matter? CMD (talk) 12:28, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: it doesn't. Turkey has also a representative in Somaliland, but doesn't recognise. Beshogur (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does Turkey also present it as independent on its MOFA website? CMD (talk) 12:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't seen any other reputable sources go as far as this MoFA website does. This does seem to be the outlier, but due to the sly wording of the Somaliland-Taiwan agreement it may be the Taiwanese's subtle way of starting the ball rolling for actual recognition. Just don't expect an official announcement to happen in any great hurry. - Wiz9999 (talk) 01:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

中華民國的確有承認索馬利蘭共和國，見 www.mofa.gov.tw/CountryInfo.aspx?CASN=2&n=163&sms=33&s=200 還有樓上的Wiz9999開口閉口台灣是在鑽牛角尖，請勿情緒化問題謝謝 鬼臉錢 (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure what you are getting at by reposting the same link repeatedly. Is there any new information that has come up since? Also, please use English here on en.wikipedia, or provide a translation otherwise if you are not a native English speaker. - Wiz9999 (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan Somaliland?

I think that since Taiwan recognizes Somaliland as an independent nation, it is no longer a part of the "Not recognized by any state" category anymore, it is a non-un member state recognized only by other non-un member states — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamindimin000 (talk • contribs)

As stated in the similar section just above this, the evidence does not seem to support the supposed recognition, bar the one outlier case of the MoFA website. - Wiz9999 (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

那是中華民國外交部的網站，故而台灣實際上承認索馬利蘭為一獨立國家 www.mofa.gov.tw/CountryInfo.aspx?CASN=2&n=163&sms=33&s=200 鬼臉錢 (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In very nearly 100 percent of cases, establishment of diplomatic relations signifies mutual recognition of two entities as sovereign states. This seems to be a rather particular case in which two states enter into relations while stopping just short of stating recognition. Ladril (talk) 13:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does the establishment of a Taiwan representative office in the Republic of Somaliland count as evidence of diplomatic recognition? See [1] Ladril (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also recommend this article: [2] Ladril (talk) 02:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomberg likens the Somaliland office with the newly announced Lithuania office [3]. Perhaps we should think about conveying the grey area of recognition this Somaliland situation has caused, rather than calling it one way or the other. CMD (talk) 05:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can't read the Bloomberg article, but what I infer from reading other pieces is that the PRC takes issue with the use of 'Taiwan' instead of 'Taipei', since the former implies an intention on the part of the Taiwanese leadership to be acknowledged as an entity separate from China. What changes to the article do you believe are needed? Ladril (talk) 01:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am unsure about the recent change of Somaliland to being recognised by Taiwan, absent stronger sources. The Taipei Times source even highlights how Taiwan avoided the specific question of recognition. However, I can see the argument that could be made, and that tension reflects the real world grey area Taiwan is creating. I suppose my preferred change would be moving Somaliland back into its own category, but expanding the status information to clarify the Taiwan situation. CMD (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the ROC minister of foreign affairs sidestepped around the question (at least at first). Nonetheless, their following statements seem to me to imply at least de facto recognition of Somaliland's statehood. Note that the ROC recognises many states that do not recognise it in return, so this would not be too off-the-mark for them to recognise Somaliland without it officially recognising the ROC back. Despite this, I can see why you would think the evidence is not strong enough. Ladril (talk) 03:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right. It is a one-way recognition. The Republic of China (Taiwan) has recognised Somaliland as a sovereign state, but Somaliland does not recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. The reason is simple. Unlike Taiwan, Somaliland has a genuine chance to be accepted by the international community as a sovereign state in the future. They need China's support if they want to join the UN, so Somaliland cannot recognise Taiwan, at least not officially. This is exactly what happened in the Kosovo-Taiwan relations too, Kosovo cannot recognise Taiwan even though Taiwan was one of the first countries to recognise Kosovo as a sovereign state.
Evidence:

I'll self-revert until the evidence becomes stronger. Ladril (talk) 02:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ladril:, @Chipmunkdavis:, @Wiz9999: I am coming in late to the game, but I don't understand why the reference to Taiwan recognizing Somaliland's sovereignty was removed from the article *after* Taiwan's MOFA website not only listed Somaliland as a sovereign state but included a Somaliland-less Somalia as a sovereign state. And it's not like there aren't other reliable sources that report that the government of Taiwan has recognized Somaliland's sovereignty; see, e.g., [4] and [5] ("For the time being, Taiwan is the only state that recognizes Somaliland; Somaliland is one of only two states that recognize “Taiwan” but not the “Republic of China”."). I think that there's enough evidence that Taiwan recognizes Somaliland so as to list Somaliland in the article as a country that has been recognized only by a non-UN-member state. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 15:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source is inaccurate (relations between Taiwan and Somaliland are not diplomatic, but rather similar to those Taiwan maintains with states that do not recognise it as the Republic of China). The Taipei Times source is an opinion piece and those should not be afforded as much weight as official statements by governments. Ladril (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Those are informal political opinions. You can't technically recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state when the Constitution of the Republic of China is still in force. Taiwan needs to achieve independence first before it would be recognised as a sovereign state by other countries. 144.130.162.86 (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somaliland is now formally recognized by Taiwan as a sovereign state. The Chinese version of this article has already listed Somaliland under "States recognised only by other non-UN member states". I reckon we should do the same.
Source: https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/yataibaodao/gangtai/hx-07012020120349.html (news report by Radio Free Asia)
Statement by Joseph Wu, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of China (Taiwan):
吴钊燮还说：“索马里兰在1991年就已经独立了，也经过了三次总统大选。它被很多的国家承认是非洲一个非常自由、非常民主，也是非常清廉的国家，所以如果说看实质的话，索马里兰是一个独立的国家。”
Google Translate:
Wu Zhaoxie (Joseph Wu) also said: "Somaliland has been independent in 1991 and has gone through three presidential elections. It is recognized by many countries as a very free, very democratic, and very clean country in Africa. So if you look at the essence, Somaliland is an independent country." 2001:8003:9008:1301:5999:DEA8:BEA3:7A47 (talk) 08:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wiz9999 So if this IPv6 user said correct, Somaliland is now not only recognized by Taiwan, but also some sort of African countries, and we really should move Somaliland to under "States recognised by at least one UN member state" umbrella, right? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph Wu cannot make statements on behalf of other countries, he can only represent Taiwan, but I agree with you, Somaliland has been formally recognized by Taiwan, so we should move Somaliland to the "States recognized only by other non-UN member states" section. We should also include the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic in this section since both countries have been recognized by South Ossetia, a de facto state, as well as recognizing each other among themselves. 2001:8003:9008:1301:ED19:6230:5ABD:EB21 (talk) 04:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ambazonia, West Papua, Donetsk People's Republic, Luhansk People's Republic?

There appears to be no change in consensus at this time to add Ambazonia, West Papua, Donetsk People's Republic, or the Luhansk People's Republic. I strongly suggest for future discussions that editors review past discussions first. If you feel the status quo needs changing due to new information brought to light then bring it up. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Would they be considered “disputed territories” as they’ve declared independence, yet they haven’t been recognized? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaniEmperor (talk • contribs) 00:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This was the latest RfC re the inclusion of DNR and LNR. There was no consensus as to whether they satisfy the criteria for inclusion. When/if there are more reliable sources calling them as such, this can be raised again. Alaexis¿question? 10:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

未來可以追蹤的臺灣外交進程的條目之一。 https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B%E8%88%87%E9%A6%AC%E7%88%BE%E4%BB%96%E9%A8%8E%E5%A3%AB%E5%9C%98%E9%97%9C%E4%BF%82 鬼臉錢 (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lugansk and Donetsk should definitely be added they are recognised by south ossetia and themselves respectively they have elections and their own governments They have representative offices in Russia and South Ossetia and they have active relations with south ossetia— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.52.72 (talk) 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Abazonia and West Papua do not control (any) territory in the their claimed territory and would be regarded as "Governments-in-exiles." The LPR and DPR however, are separatists groups that control territory in Ukraine, but they are separatists groups (Proto-states), not fully independent. This would be like adding something like ISIL to the list. Chxeese (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Chxeese's comment above. CentreLeftRight ✉ 06:49, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ambazonia does in fact control some of the territory it claims however sourcing is quite poor as to rebel control of any particular area other than Lebialem district which is the only district government officials have acknowledged the rebels control. Lebialem district itself is under control of the Red Dragon militia which while acknowledging the legitimacy of the Ambazonian government, operates completely independent from it. As for West Papua, the rebels control over areas is general transitory in nature.XavierGreen (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These militias have not yet established government institutions and nor do they represent any. Even if this militia control territory their is no administration of the district by Ambazonia, rather by a militia itself. Chxeese (talk) 01:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I support the inclusion of Donetsk and Lugansk, but not Ambazonia and West Papua. I see no difference between Donetsk, Lugansk, Artsakh, Transnistria, and Somaliland. Seven years after their self-declared independence from Ukraine, both political entities look like genuine de facto states now. On the other hand, I see no difference between Ambazonia, West Papua, Wa State, Khalistan, and East Turkestan. They are more like rebel groups fighting their administering states instead of proper de facto states.
P.S. For Wikipedia in other languages, some of them have already listed Donetsk and Lugansk as de facto states. 2001:8003:9008:1301:5999:DEA8:BEA3:7A47 (talk) 07:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They have no recognition by or diplomatic relations with recognized states, including the Russian Federation; see International recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk. There is evidence that their leadership is installed by the RF. They lack the capacity to exist without the direct intervention of the RF, specifically when it semi-openly invaded Ukraine with mechanized formations between July 2014 and February 2015, forcing Ukraine to sign the Minsk agreements with the RF and the OSCE, under which DNR and LNR are to be returned to Ukrainian constitutional status and government control. These entities are not party to the Minsk agreements. There remains a Russian military presence in Ukraine, and their United Armed Forces of New Russia are considered to be subordinated to the RF’s 8th Combined Arms Army.

The DNR and LNR are not states, and they don’t have limited recognition. —Michael Z. 19:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Donetsk and Luhansk are oblasts of Ukraine (named after their respective main cities). The self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) are the entities in question, and they occupy about one third of the Ukrainian subdivisions’ territory. User:NaniEmperor, user:Beshogur, please let’s change the heading for accuracy and precision. Be aware of WP:SECTIONHEADINGOWN. —Michael Z. 19:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a six month old thread. If this is going to be rediscussed, then it should go in a new thread.
My views on the matter at hand have not changed since the last time this was discussed. Kahastok talk 20:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On recognition of the DPR & LPR wikipedia page, it states that they are recognized by South Ossetia, doesn’t that mean that they should be put as recognized by non-Un members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaniEmperor (talk • contribs) 04:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We do not add entries based on recognition by entities that are not UN member states. Kahastok talk 11:24, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then how come Artsakh & Transnistria are on there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaniEmperor (talk • contribs) 17:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
NaniEmperor, please see the RfC I opened in February: Talk:List_of_states_with_limited_recognition/Archive_13#RfC_on_the_inclusion_of_DNR_and_LNR_in_the_list_of_states_with_limited_recognition. If there are new sources which describe them as states we should raise it again. Alaexis¿question? 17:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is all detailed in the article and in probably a dozen separate talk page discussions. I suggest you read them. Kahastok talk 17:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kahastok: I added the "Round in circles" template to the top of the page, hopefully this helps a bit. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Mongolia?

The Republic of China (Taiwan) still hasn’t recognized Mongolian independence as it claims the pre-1945 borders. Though they have de facto relations, they still haven’t officially relinquished claims. Given that the PRC is on here, should Mongolia too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaniEmperor (talk • contribs) 13:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolia is recognized by Taiwan as a sovereign state. Source: https://www.mofa.gov.tw/CountryInfo.aspx?CASN=3&n=162&sms=33&s=102 2001:8003:9008:1301:ED19:6230:5ABD:EB21 (talk) 04:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia not recognised by Pakistan, etc.

What's the criteria being not recognised? Like Pakistan saying "We don't recognise Armenia" or having no formal recognition, like embassies etc. Than the list could be expanden. For example Buthan doesn't have relationship with half of the world, does this mean that they're not recognised as well? Or similarly Armenia has no mutual recognition with Turkey, thus this means Turkey doesn't recognise Armenia or vice versa. Same with Turkey-Cyprus relations, and Azerbaijan not having a mutual relation with ROC. I think the list here is problematic. Not sure what on it's based on. I think non-UN states should only remain here. Beshogur (talk) 12:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From the sources given:
  • Page 10 of citation 38: "... Pakistan does not recognize Armenia because it was an aggressor and Pakistan supports Azerbaijan on the Nagorno Karabakh issue."
    • Page 25: "Pakistan does not recognize Armenia and will never do so."
  • Citation 39: "'The Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not recognize Armenia even as a country for the sake of Azerbaijan,' Pakistani Tourism Minister Nilufer Bakhtiyar told a press conference."
CentreLeftRight ✉ 09:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CentreLeftRight: I know, but this doesn't change anything. No diplomatic relation means no recognition as well. That's my point. Beshogur (talk) 13:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your assertion that "No diplomatic relation means no recognition as well" is wrong. Diplomatic relations and recognition are not the same thing. Countries can have formal or informal diplomatic relations with each other while at the same time choosing to recognise each other or not choosing to. Using your examples, Turkey recognises Armenia but does not maintain diplomatic relations with them. North and South Korea obviously have diplomatic relations with each other, but both claim to be the only legitimate representative of all of Korea and does not recognise the other. CentreLeftRight ✉ 19:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan not recognised by Armenia

If Armenia is not recognized by Pakistan, then Pakistan also shall be listed as being not recognized by Armenia, UN member nation.

From the sources given above: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.250.71.198 (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any source stating that Armenia does recognize Pakistan as a sovereign state? I would expect that mutual recognition to be the foundation of international politics (i.e. if Country A is not recognizing Country B, then Country B must not recognizing Country A, similar like a husband-and-wife relationship in the human society). 2001:8003:9008:1301:ED19:6230:5ABD:EB21 (talk) 04:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lugansk and Donetsk

This unrecognised states aren't added in article. Seymur06 (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seymur06, there was an RfC about adding them one year ago: Talk:List_of_states_with_limited_recognition/Archive_13#RfC_on_the_inclusion_of_DNR_and_LNR_in_the_list_of_states_with_limited_recognition. You can review the arguments and sources there and if you think that now the case is stronger, we can discuss it again. Alaexis¿question? 22:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In particular, they were not added to the list because of a lack of reliable sources stating they met the declarative theory of statehood and or the Montevideo convention criteria, ect. If Russia ends up recognizing them, as some russian legislators are proposing, than they would get added to the list regardless as is practice for other polities on this page.XavierGreen (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But why is Russia's recognition more important than the recognitions made by some partially-recognized states? In Wikipedia, partially-recognized states are also considered sovereign states. Honestly, I struggle to see any difference between the Donetsk People's Republic or the Luhansk People's Republic and the Republic of Artsakh or Transnistria. All four political entities are recognized by some partially-recognized states and the Republic of Artsakh also doesn't exercise control over a portion of its claimed territory (after losing the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war). Furthermore, there is strong evidence that Somaliland is now recognized by the Republic of China (Taiwan), why aren't we listing these five countries under the "States recognized only by other non-UN member states" section? 2001:8003:9008:1301:ED19:6230:5ABD:EB21 (talk) 04:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia attempts neutrality. That does not mean either accepting or rejecting the notion that partially-recognised states are sovereign states.
Per WP:WEIGHT, if a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true, or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article. The case you are advocating is one where we can source no independent lawyer, diplomat or academic on the entire planet who accepts without reservation that a state exists, except for the government of an entity that is itself actively rejected as a state by the vast majority of states in the world. If that does not count as the view of an extremely small minority, I'm not sure what would. Kahastok talk 08:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kahastok, I agree with you about WP:WEIGHT. My problem with this list is that opinion is divided on both Donetsk-Luhansk and Nagorno-Karabakh whether they having met the Montevideo criteria. But we include one and not include others. --Heanor (talk) 08:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nagorno-Karabakh has a much longer history at the point, along with the sources that has brought. If opinion has shifted post the 2020 war, we could reassess, but those sources haven't been brought up here. CMD (talk) 08:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CMD, now the main source used in the article who claims that Nagorno-Karabakh has met the Montevideo criteria is James Ker-Lindsay. But he himselfs says now that opinion is divided. --Heanor (talk) 08:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure academic discussions on Nagorno-Karabakh are being had, and the situation there remains unstable. That said, two separate cases both having divided opinion does not mean both cases are the same. (To some extent opinion will be divided on all of these entities, it's in their very nature.) Fairly or unfairly, even if all else was equal, the longer history of Nagorno-Karabakh will have allowed more reliable sources on the matter to be generated, and reliable sources are what we need to assess. CMD (talk) 09:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you. There are rumors that Russia will recognize Donetsk-Luhansk soon and then we would include them anyway regardless whether they would met the Montevideo criteria or not. --Heanor (talk) 09:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Other Limited Recognition states.

Can someone add the states of Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic? They are states with limited recognition, afterall.


--Cakepops4everr (talk) 21:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)cakepops4everr[reply]

Still being discussed above. CentreLeftRight ✉ 00:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

False information on DPRK

I'd try and edit it myself, but I can't. Contrary to what the page states, only 3 countries don't recognise the DPRK, Japan, South Korea and France, not 15.

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