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February 20

Template:Arizona-airport-stub

Nominator's rationale: Unused; a number of similar stub types are upmerged to Category:Western United States airport stubs, though. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Adding category to nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 22:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, usually only the template is listed. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amarna letters with photos, Obverse or Reverse

Nominator's rationale: If this is a useful maintenance category, the capitalisation should be fixed. However, this seems to be an unusual kind of categorisation. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This seems like something that should be being kept track of through commons rather than 'pedia (although come to think of it I'm not entirely sure how commons does track 'images needed'). Furius (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amarna letter EA 364

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT; containing only itself and a redirect to itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tennis players of Greek origin

Nominator's rationale: This is basically the intersection of Category:People of Greek descent and Category:Tennis players. I don't think the intersection is meaningful and believe this fails WP:OCEGRS. Pichpich (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Suspended structures

Nominator's rationale: The two categories seem to have the same scope. We can quibble about the correct name for the category since we have suspended structure but suspension bridge and Category:Suspension bridges. I'm fine with merging the two categories to Category:Suspended structures if that's the consensus here. Pichpich (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kineta

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Kineta is a very small town (1500 people) so I doubt that we can add more to the category which currently contains the town's railway station. We could also upmerge to Category:Megara since Kineta is part of the municipality of Megara. Pichpich (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Columbus Register properties

Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is Columbus Register of Historic Properties. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Physical Chemistry articles needing expert attention

Nominator's rationale: Empty category without a matching WikiProject, only entry has been removed because it used the category without the {{expert needed}} tag. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skinny houses

Nominator's rationale: From what I see, skinny houses are basically the same as spite houses, we just don't have the skinny house article, unlike spite house. Brandmeistertalk 18:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English expatriate football managers

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Seems like an arbitrary intersection. This and other sports related stuff seem like the only "occupation" sub-category in this category tree, and I fail to see why this kind of cross-categorisation would really be pertinent, as it does not seem to serve any valid navigational purpose (football coaches are already grouped by nationality, and already grouped by the fact of being football coaches - this is at best redundant). On top of that, there are likely very few of these, if any, where this specific intersection (which is not a notable topic in itself) is a WP:DEFCAT. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you had a clue about the sport and/or bothered to do any research, you would see the topic is covered in media, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (all from first page of Google, took me 60 seconds). GiantSnowman 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you could stop making vague (or in this case more direct) insinuations that I'm clueless, I might bother answering. Something being covered in news does not mean it is encyclopedic. This is true for many topics (WP:NOTNEWS isn't my invention), and I do not see much coverage of the concept of "expatriate football coaches" - I just see listings of "expatriate football coaches". Again, there are lots of things which get listed in the news (bar drinks? Star Wars characters? you name it!) which are not encyclopedic. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
and yet we have categories on Category:Cocktails and Category:Star Wars film characters! GiantSnowman 19:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The fact is, you can find more thorough coverage of these concepts than mere listings. And in any case, this kind of category often contributes to WP:OVERCAT. You get "X country football managers"; "X country expatriate football managers", and sometimes even "Y country football managers". RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Limited to sports is it? Then please explain Category:Expatriates by occupation. GiantSnowman 19:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This was created years before that. Anyways, I might have been wrong on that, but your argument is still essentially "this is how it was always done" (combined with an assertion that this intersection is "incredibly defining"), not that it matters, an ad populum does not mean anything. Sure, people made lots of dumb mistakes in the early days of the encyclopedia, doesn't mean we need to stay stuck with that forever. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1942 in LGBT history

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1 article in it. LGBT year categories normally start in 1960. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Namur (city)

Nominator's rationale:The article and the category are not the same, which is an unhappy situation. This issue has been discussed beforeTalk:Namur#Requested move 14 September 2015 Rathfelder (talk) 14:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is a difference because articles are being read so you immediately know whether you are at the right page or not. But when you are categorizing pages, you are not required to read the category page. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs about Belgrade

Nominator's rationale: Only 2 members, both redirects. Serves no navigational help to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 11:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see why this category should be deleted. Yeah, it might has only have 2 categories for now, but it's just because I know about those two specific songs about Belgrade. I'm pretty sure that there are more and if someone finds them they should add them in this category. DZEI3101 (talk) 14:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above was originally made as a separate "propose keeping" proposal. I have merged the two together.
Delete While songs "about" a city might be a more specific intersection than others, this is still open to the same kind of misuse as most other "songs about X". In addition, this is currently only used on two redirects, and while there might be some potential for growth (after all, cities usually don't cease to exist, and even if they did, there'd likely be something written about them), but such growth is unlikely to be particularly rapid, so fails WP:SMALLCAT. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I found one more song about Belgrade and this one is not redirect. There is definitely more and I will add them when I find them. Is category okay to stay now? DZEI3101 (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Prinz Eugen, der edle Ritter - That is clearly not "about Belgrade". It might about the Siege of Belgrade (1717), but it isn't about the city itself (the same way that books which cover that battle might very likely not cover the city all that much - or to take a more recent example, there are hundreds of books about the Battle of Verdun, very few of which have much coverage about the city itself). That still doesn't address the fact that "songs about X" is a bad idea anyway. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But song is about history of Belgrade. I'm not only one who added that, there are other song categories that are more about historical event connected to city. How can a Wind of Change by Scorpions be categorized as songs about Moscow? Song is clearly more about end of Cold War then Moscow itself. DZEI3101 (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Song Beograd (Fatalna ljubav) by Ceca is definitely about Belgrade, even though it's redirect page. DZEI3101 (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DZEI310: please reread the nomination, it is not about Belgrade, it is about redirects only being in the category, FWIW, I agree with you regarding Wind of Change and have removed it from Songs about Moscow. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But I said I only added those two because I know about them, I'm sure there are more and people should add them in this category. I personally think that Prinz Eugen, der edle Ritter and Wind of Change should be categorized with Songs about Belgrade and Songs about Moscow, even if songs are not specifically about city they are connected to a historcal event in that city (maybe they should be subcategories for page). DZEI3101 (talk) 22:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This misses the point that these "songs about X" categories do not serve a useful purpose. Categories are supposed to link similar items together. A song by a Serbian pop-folk singer and another on a concept album by a Swedish heavy metal band have, in all likelihood, about as much in common as the music of, I don't know, J. S. Bach and John Cage... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to RandomCanadian's very valid point, the reason for the nomination that categories are supposed to join articles together, not just redirects. Somebody who is actually looking for songs about Belgrade (or any other place or theme) won't be happy to be directed to to an unverified redirect. Sort of defeats the whole point of categorisation. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:34, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for my late response, I was very busy. I still think that's not good enough reason for this page to be deleted, this category is connecting pages with songs that are about Belgrade, not necessarily songs of same genre or musicians, but if that's big problem I can find more pop-folk Serbian songs dedicated to Belgrade, but they might be another redirect. I still think Prinz Eugen, der edle Ritter should be connected with this category, even though song is not entirely dedicated to Belgrade it's connected to historical event from Belgrade and really it's more dedicated to Belgrade then Wind of Change which is dedicated to Moscow, but to very small degree. If this page is added category will have one page and two redirect page and it will definitely have chance to expand when people find more songs about Belgrade.DZEI3101 (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:JonBenét Ramsey

Nominator's rationale: the title should change to the latter because she is not notable. The majority of the articles are about her death and its later impact. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 11:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Zambian Premier League

Nominator's rationale: the two categories refer to the same league (albeit using different names) and as such shouldn't be distinct categories. The main articles name is Zambia Super League (Zambian Premier League redirects to this) so the category should be located at Category:Zambia Super League Microwave Anarchist (talk) 09:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Homenmen AA Beirut players

Nominator's rationale: C2D Nehme1499 02:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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