Talk:Sayyid dynasty

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Afghan ancestory

According to khafi khan , a mughal historian , syeds actually had afghan ancestory . Ozgharzai (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misunderstanding

Here i am. So with all due respect you have very little if any knowledge about sayed dynasty, I am willing to discuss anything because i got a strong case (which is more than obvious). As i said before there is Very little information and literature regarding sayed dynasty's origins. And the claim of there lineage to prophet muhammad is generally rejected (as you might know). As for the punjabi origin, Only one scholar have hardly mentions it and (THATS IT).So the Afghan mention is Extremely important. and if not i really dont know how and why? And these are not my views these are all backed by scholarly research on topic which again should be obvious too. So lets all pot POV on side and honestly contribute.

Read WP:GOOD FAITH, Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS and WP:NPA and then write a new comment. It goes without saying that this is not how you have a proper discussion. Don't expect a reply with such a comment. Also, please read WP:AGE MATTERS as well. Also, I can't find a single mention of the Sayyid dynasty being Afghan in Tribe, Diaspora, and Sainthood in Afghan History. If you continue to edit war you will get reported. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see i am not edit warring or reverting. And sorry if you take it personal (intention was not that).My comment about having less knowledge was only meant about giving info as of cooperating not degrading. But it is just i see something very obvious being undone. You are right about the sources being old but as i said there is (very, really very) little literature about the topic, so what ever we have is very precious (that's why i didn't even delete the punjabi origin which doesn't have any support at all).So i really hope you reconsider it.

Even if that was the case; then so what? that's not a valid argument. Not to mention you still have nothing to back up that they were Afghans. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O.k what the other editor had that he is punjabi? he had a source (only one) saying, that. And lineage of prophet muhammad (which is rejected), with all due respect what you want me to have? I gave a very important primary souce and 2 important secondary sources ( which Again are VERY rare considering he topic at hand. .

I'm gonna repeat myself one final time; two of the sources you cited are literally the same, i.e. The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians: The Muhammadan Period, which is from 1867, in other words outdated. Moreover, it also seems to be a translation of primary sources (read WP:PSTS). The third source Tribe, Diaspora, and Sainthood in Afghan History. does not even mention them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should pay attention to what i am saying. The first source is old BUT NOT outdated as i have mention 3 times that we have - very little- known about sayeds. That is pretty much what we have. The second source does mention them, just log in and read. And the book mentions them in an accepting manner, agreeing we really dont have to doubt that do we.

This is starting to sound like WP:TENDENTIOUS. Ironically you are the one not paying attention. Click the guidelines and read them. And if indeed the source mentions the Sayyids being Afghans, please show the quote for it and its page. If not, then I think we're done here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is really difficult to discuss in a situation where any proof or not will not change the outcome, is it not true? and i did read all guidelines thats why i am presenting my case according to wiki rules. I will really encourage you (respectfully) to study more about sayed dynasty, i am sure you will change your postion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.44.191 (talk) 16:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I simply asked you to provide proof that the Sayyids are called Afghans in the one reliable source there was, which you were unable to. No, this discussion is over. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I think we have solved the problem here. Now we have 3 sources.

1-the primary source in the form of book (muntakhabul- lubab).

https://archive.org/details/cu31924073036778/page/n415/mode/2up

2- The (old) secondary source in the form of book (The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians: The Muhammadan Period)

https://books.google.no/books?id=P_yZMy1fxsUC&pg=PA404&lpg=PA404&dq=he+khizr+khan+was+by+origin+and+by+names+of+his+ancestors+afghan&source=bl&ots=vgUMvivFbn&

And now the 3- secondary source in the form of book(African Elites in India: Habshi Amarat). Very recent, Published in 2006.(Kenneth X. Robbins, ‎John McLeod)

https://books.google.no/books?id=4xduAAAAMAAJ&q=african+elites+in+india+book&dq=african+elites+in+india+book&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y

- Book is not open but as you told me i have copied the sentence for you..

"There are suggestions that Mubarak Shah was an Afghan and related to Khizr Khan Sayyid , the Afghan sultan of Delhi.."

Now i think we have enough material to mention Afghan in the origins. I really hope you go forward and edit it the way you think is appropriate. Thank you.

Again, you are more or less repeating yourself (as you have done various times now). Read the guidelines, especially WP:RS. Last warning, next time you will get reported to WP:ANI for Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

.Hi. Here is an important secondary -published source.

https://books.google.no/books?id=XrJoBgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+india++khizr+khan++afghan+john+e+mcleod&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbsfbll532AhV_Q_EDHee_B5IQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=khizr%20khan&f=false 84.211.45.132 (talk) 11:16, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]