Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tobacco Road FC (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep (non-admin closure). Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:15, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tobacco Road FC

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Non notable soccer team. Fourth division. I would like to take all these fourth division sides into consideration. Fails WP:GNG. scope_creep (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. Fourth division is not the same in North America as UK or Europe. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth division is not the same in North America as UK; fully professional in UK. 10th level is notable there. PDL plays in larger stadiums in front of larger crowds than 10th level. Do the math. Nfitz (talk)

comment - I moved the content here from the previous discussion page. ansh 666 05:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Still no coverage. Fourth division is an amateur league in North America and they do not play for the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, the national cup, which is only contested for by clubs in Major League Soccer the North American Soccer League, and the United Soccer League. Their league, Premier Development League and the former league, National Premier Soccer League (no promotion or relegation between the leagues) are not involved. The team is not now nor has it been involved in the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - The above comment by Walter Görlitz is a blatant falsehood as PDL clubs and NPSL clubs do participate in the U.S. Open Cup. If this team is arbitrarily non-notable, then the same should apply to every PDL and NPSL team on Wikipedia. Stop applying arbitrary standards to individual teams. Furthermore, Tobacco Road FC is certainly one of the more well-known fourth-division clubs in the Southeast. Also not sure why this article is being subjected to double-jeopardy as it was already approved to KEEP in previous voting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tobacco_Road_FC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schencktopus (talk • contribs) 20:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Schencktopus: Thank you for correcting me. 2017 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup qualification and 2017 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup. No Tobacco Road FC. Still a speedy delete as an amateur team. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Walter Görlitz: You're welcome. You seem to not know very much about this topic. Again, the entire PDL is made up of amateur teams. Why you are not applying your arbitrary standard to every team in the league is still a mystery. What's apparent is that you have a continued obsession with deleting only the Tobacco Road FC article. Schencktopus (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's on my watch list from the last deletion discussion. I watch all MLS, NASL and USL team articles and that leads to some interesting side projects. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Contrary to the ridiculous assertion above, PDL teams do compete in the US Open Cup. As such, they are notable. I agree this targeting of one specific team is disruptive and WP:POINT-y. Smartyllama (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- But this has not and it doesn't meet GNG and they are an amateur team. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 20:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - plays at a high enough level. GiantSnowman 08:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- YOu're wrong. It both fails GNG and if it were in England, fourth division would be high enough, but in the US, they're paying out-of-pocket to play at this level with no attendance at games. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:45, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The team is part of the PDL which is sanctioned by the USASA that recognizes teams in the PDL as playing at a higher level than the USASA state association leagues. In addition, past, current and ongoing coverage by the The News & Observer, with daily circulation in excess of 120,000, Sports Illustrated and USA Today allow the team to meet the notability guidelines. ShoesssS ^Talk 15:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I fail to see what has chanced since the clear keep decision in the other AFD a few months ago. The AFD nomination fails to provide any information not in the previous AFD discussion. Teams in this division consistently play in the national cup. Nfitz (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.