User talk:Timtrent

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Celestina007 (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Celestina007 NOT urgent. Just a load of similar edits/editors creating State of Lagos drafts and articles Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 22:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Duane McRuer Draft Article

Hi Tim, Thanks for your initial review of the draft article for Duane McRuer (late aircraft controls engineer; National Academy of Engineering). I revised and added a bunch of references. Can you please take a look and provide any advice on how to make it better? Thanks so much for your help. Jbgeddes3 (talk) 17:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jbgeddes3 I see you have resubmitted it. Good. Please use the time between now and the next review to continue to enhance it.

It is very rare that I re-review a draft. This iterative process is better conducted with more eyes than just one reviewer. Thank you for asking me, though. Like waiting for a bus there will be another reviewer along in a while. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Segal Al Rikabi

I think Draft:Segal Al Rikabi is very difficult and nearly impossible for any individual to review at AfD. It is obviously not a complete hoax or anything and I believe community at AfD is probably a better place then the pressure on any indiviidual at AfC. Would you violently object i(you don't have to like it) f I moved it to mainspace with a notability tag and it can be AfD tested there if necessary. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation for others to have a look. May I suggest you wait a period of your choosing before migrating it to mainspace?

I have no objection if you choose not to wait, but, equally there is no rush, no deadline.

All I really want to know is if the poet has verifiable notability Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll give a little time and at least a further work over before I do that. Maybe translate the the title's as well. I've added WikiProjects so that might help. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark For AFC acceptance all we need to know is that it has a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. I suggest you work on it 'that far', and only go further if you feel like it Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 18:11, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Tecovas (company)

Hey! Can you outline to me which references are strictly puff/PR pieces, so that I can remove/rework the article around it as someone who accepted the draft? I agree with you on some, but there's definitely a lot of independent coverage that's actually non-trivial. Thanks in advance! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 21:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97 Instinct forms a good part of this. Anything containing the word "Announces/d", anything starting with a place name, https://www.inputmag.com/style/tecovas-cowboy-western-boots-empire-paul-hedrick-founder-interview is a lovely feature and smells of advertorial for pay, and so forth

You've done a great job at rescuing it. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 22:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97 Also I smell UPE: User_talk:AMDG09#March_2022 is where I have asked the creating editor the direct question Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 22:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sound concerns there, the last one is the main reason I decided to jump in and try to salvage the whole thing. A huge problem is that there's a lot of puff pieces for everything out there, that are extremely well disguised, and so hard to discount. I've read Input's thing multiple times, but I sadly don't have any valid grounds to remove it for, it's as soundly written as gets. I'll check all the sources more in-depth and seek to replace if needed, when I have more time. Also, feel free to remove references you think they have no place in the article. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97 It still stinks of paid content. I'd be bold and nuke that advertorial faux reference. I am out of time myself right now, but we have a whole community, which is a great thing.

One gets a nose for this kind of trade puffery. A great ally is @Celestina007, who can smell UPE at a thousand paces Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 22:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@User:Timtrent Hi, thanks for the ping. I am not affiliated with Tecovas + have no financial stake / compensation etc. Please feel free to remove the Input article if it's not a valid source, but this page on the site's ethics seemed to indicate they have a clear separation of church + state and would have tagged the article as sponcon if it were. https://www.inputmag.com/ethics Regarding revenue, what is a valid way to cite revenue numbers? The Austin American-Statesman reported it. Tecovas is a private company, so I don't know how anyone could independently report on revenue. But if the Austin American Statesman writes it, it's no longer a "primary source" IMO. The paper owns that reporting. If they had reason to believe it wasn't true, they would not have published it. Is it ever appropriate for a private company's revenue to be listed? Guess I need to read more about primary/secondary sources. If other sources were not valid, please let me know cc :@Jovanmilic97

@User:TimtrentAlso, My thought in creating the page is that there is no shortage of dead/dying/largely irrelevant company pages on Wikipedia, but emerging companies are a blind spot. Was also going to try to create a page for this company at some point--another co. I was surprised didn't have a page: https://crumblcookies.com/ Came across an article about them on social media. We have a page for Mrs. Fields Cookies which seems to be disappearing as malls in America continue to suffer. But Crumbl seems to be massively popular with at least some demographics (https://www.dallasnews.com/food/restaurant-news/2021/06/24/why-are-texans-standing-in-line-for-cookies-inside-the-crumbl-cookies-phenomenon/, https://www.axios.com/local/des-moines/2022/02/22/crumbl-cookies-ankeny-desserts). Social media is not be all, end all...but Mrs. Fields has 13k Twitter followers; Crumbl has 334k. I have no connection to Crumbl either, and it feels like we ought to have a page. Now I feel like any attempt to create a page for a company that seems to deserve one will be considered PR for a company whose cookies I've never eaten? haha Thanks for the dialogue. Cheers. AMDG09 (talk) 03:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE Aureliae42 (talk) 23:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC) Rejecting a page for not meeting WP:PROF when they weren't submitted as an academic, and were not a student (PhD awarded and linked in refs.)

@Aureliae42 Troutshit happens. What was the draft? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)