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Please review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy 37.225.76.109 (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Can you please explain what you mean? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 13:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Toy is an existing B-class article which you have not edited. What, specifically, did you have in mind? David notMD (talk) 14:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Correction, Toy is C-class. --The Tips of Apmh 14:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

C-class for Core, B-class for WikiProject Toys David notMD (talk) 14:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I submitted a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests for someone to review the article and remove the {{tone}} tag. GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, you're right. --The Tips of Apmh 14:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I hoped someone would notice and remove tank as a toy example, especially given current world situation. 37.225.76.109 (talk) 19:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Right,
1. Could you perhaps have said that in your opening question? Being clear is important
2. Wikipedia is not censored. Toy tanks exist. They are notable. Notability is not temporary. There is no reason to remove them from the Toy article that fits with Wikipedia's current guidelines. casualdejekyll 22:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

We did not have toy guns in the house. I came home one day to find my daughter and friends running around the yard with Barbie dolls bent at the waist so that they were holding the torso and 'shooting' each other with the legs. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like buying your daughter some toy guns is in order. (Not that I'm commenting on your parenting or anything, for all I know this story probably happened years and years ago) casualdejekyll 17:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Heck, we used random sticks - or even our fingers - as guns. The original poster's request to remove the image of the toy tank is as ridiculous as a request to remove the picture of teddy bears because people have been mauled by bears. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Tanks have no legitimate uses. 37.225.76.109 (talk) 11:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

One more time everyone: Wikipedia is not censored! casualdejekyll 23:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• The tank toy is perfectly legitimate as an encyclopeadic entry in a toy article. I've removed the tone article as it is radically out of date and there was some 500 edits since them. I read about half of it and don't see any tone issues. It probably does need a copyedit. I didn't see anything in the history to say it was copyedited. Certainly it can take a couple of months or more to do the work. Perhaps you never left the tag on long enough for the guild to action it. What the article does need and perhaps you do this, is more sources. There is whole bits and sections which are unsourced. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 10:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@37.225.76.109: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Ho Chi Minh were all very bad people who caused much misery and death. But Wikipedia has--and should have--articles about all of them. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Photograph of a Victorian Artist

I would like to upload this. It is of a painter who died in 1853. It is possibly from a from a magazine that no longer exists. Would this be available as Free Use? BFP1 (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1 Welcome to the Teahouse. For a magazine that old, you'd have no problem uploading it to Commons as its copyright will have expired long ago. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The photo is old but what if the magazine folded say 20y ago? BFP1 (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The relevant date is the date that issue was published. If that was before 1923, you can upload it. If after, it's complicated. Maproom (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe Maproom is slightly wrong, since WP:COPYEXP says the threshold (for a US photograph) is 95 years pd (after publication) which comes to 1926 (not 1923).

It is entirely possible that the photograph was published later than that, if the photograph was found in the archives of the journal or something years after being taken, in which case it is still copyrighted. That is of course another demonstration of how crazy copyright laws are. "Yes, I apply my artistic skills to make a photograph, but only if it someone’s estate can still make royalties off of it in 250 years" said nobody ever.

All this assumes a US copyright (i.e. first publication in the US). "Victorian" might indicate UK, in which case the rule is 70pma (after author’s death). If so, PD seems like a safe assumption: with the photograph taken in 1853 at the latest, and the photographer dying in 1953 at the earliest, they would be both one of the longest-living persons ever and one of the youngest 19th century photographers. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1: Hi there! You could ask at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright, and provide all the information you have about the image. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Translations of the bible

I often find when reading articles something to do with Christianity that, when quoting a bible passage, they tend to use the King James Version. Is this due to a policy/guideline (and if so why), or is it just an unwritten rule? Either way, I do not consider it very helpful - the King James Version is unclear for modern readers (given how the language has changed, and translation techniques have improved). Farleigheditor (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Farleigheditor. I am pinging Jenhawk777 to this discussion. Jenhawk777 is a very helpful editor with a lot of experience with biblical and Christian topics. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Correct. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Farleigheditor I don't know of any written guidance. I tend to consider it a version of WP:ENGVAR/WP:REFVAR, as in keep consistent within article, don't change without good reason (for example see the editsummaries in this diff:[1]), and if you start the article you get to pick. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Farleigheditor, the simple answer is "because it's the easy thing to do". There is a template for King James that is simple and there isn't for other versions. That's it. Human laziness - mine included. Gråbergs Gråa Sång gives good advice above. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I agree that's a ridiculous edit summary in that diff you linked (that you reverted); I'm not sure how much more easily understood that other version is,though (compare KJV's And Adam knew Eve his wife with And the human knew Eve his woman. The latter sounds like alien speech from a low budget sci fi film ;) General comment regarding the status of the KJV and another probable reason it is commonly quoted in Wiki articles is that, for most of the general English speaking population it is the de facto "standard" version. To most anyone other than scholars of textual criticism, the differences between the Textus Receptus and the modern critical editions of the New Testament source texts is trivial. As for the language: scripture isn't expected to sound modern: it's NOT modern. The KJV is only about 400 years old (although its style of English was even somewhat archaic at the time that it was written), but the texts in their original languages are 2000+ years old. Yet is not the original Greek text of the NT the version that is still in current use in Greece, and the Masoretic text of the Tanakh in current use in Israel? Point being, I don't see any compelling reason for rewriting scripture in modern vernacular. There's also a non-trivial degree of ambiguity created in translations that use "you" as their only second-person pronoun: the source texts differentiated between singular and plural in the second person. Therefore, meaning is lost and ambiguity is introduced when every instance of thee/thou becomes "you". This isn't a problem in modern English writing, because we construct our speaking and writing in such ways to accomodate not being able to indicate singular or plural in the second person through pronoun choice. That doesnt apply to the Bible, and "you" doesnt work as a drop-in for thee/thou in texts that originally had thee/thou (or their equivalents in their original languages). A particular place where this would be highly problematic is the book of Job, during the dialogue between Job and his three friends, Job frequently switches back and forth between adressing his friends directly, and addressing God directly, and often the only way to figure out who he's speaking to is whether he's using 'you' (his friends) or 'thee' (God). Trying to comprehend that correctly from a version that only uses "you" would be totally hopeless. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:8973:283F:5A03:85F (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

If not KJV, which translation would one use? Picking an official Wikipedia standard would be near impossible. An interesting possibility might be a template that for any quoted passage gave the reader the ability to query a selection of other major translations (plus the original text) that are freely available online.--agr (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Jenhawk hasn't edited today yet and it makes me wonder after this message [2]. I am hoping for the good outcome. 180.194.127.148 (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Comedic, Irrelevant Articles

Hey, I'm kinda new to this creating pages thing, am I allowed to create a commemorative article about something no one is ever going to need in terms of information? I was wondering if I could create an article for my cat, Chesterlord, just for fun, maybe in the hopes that someone in the future would randomly stumble across it and laugh about it or something? Like, I noticed the Wikipediholic Test and that seems really irrelevant towards actual research, but seems like so much fun, can I create something like that?

Danke Dwightol102 (talk) 20:36, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102: I'd avoid creating anything that's not encyclopedic. There are other platforms for blogging. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Awwww maaaaan... Fiiiine.

(, Dwightol102 (talk) 21:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102: Welcome to the Teahouse! Regarding creating an article for your cat, see also WP:NOTWEBHOST. However, some people choose to upload a personal picture on their own user page. GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

So many WP: things… Thanks, that clear up a lot. Tschau, Dwightol102 (talk) 00:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Translation without proper attribution

Hi there, I noticed that several of the articles I wrote on the French Wikipedia have been translated here in English, however without proper attribution (per WP:TFOLWP). One example: Shigisan Engi Emaki. Any idea how to fix it now? Binabik (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Binabik: Add the template {{Translated page}} to the talk page, and do a dummy edit naming the originating source with the edit summary. Notify the translating editor. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like, you can use the {{uw-translation}} template to warn the editor. DanCherek (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If the article was rated by a Wikiproject, you might also want to remind the editor who rated it to check if an article looks like it might be a translation from another wiki before rating it. I catch unattributed translations in the WP:GERMANY assessment queue all the time. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers! Binabik (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How to change a page title

I wanted to create a page for International Institute for Software Testing. It got created but I see the title is https://testinginstitute.com. How do I change the page title? Magdyshanna (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Magdyshanna, welcome to the Teahouse. You created https:/testinginstitute.com. It has been deleted per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A7. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magdyshanna: In general, you can change the title of a page on the english Wikipedia if you have at least 10 edits and have been registered for 4 days by using the page move functionality.

On an unrelated note, Since your article creation history has more failures than sucesses, I would reccomend that you still use the draft namespace to prepear articles until they are ready, and submit them to AfC. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

am reading Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Atrying to understand why it was deleted. The international Institute for Software Testing is the ONLY educational institution in the world authorized to issue education-based certifications in software testing. It is also the world leader in software testing certifications by the statements of the references independent sources. How that not important. I can see pages for other commercial organization, some of the are our competitors, and they are listing unrelated items on the page e.g. TechWell Corporation and International Software Testing Qualifications Board, which have references to self-published sources. Please help me understand why you think this is not important Magdyshanna (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magdyshanna: You have to establish that the subject is notable as Wikipedia defines the term. That means using secondary, independent, reliable sources. Do not use just any other article as a benchmark; if you must, take a look at good or featured articles. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I have used 10 different sources all are independent sources from reputable industry magazines. If the pages lacks the notability criteria, why was it delet6ed rather than being fixed? Magdyshanna (talk) 03:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the admin who deleted it is PrimeHunter. How do I ask him question. I replied to the post. Magdyshanna (talk) 06:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It might have been deleted because the title of the page was mistakenly published as the URL, which I can see a URL is not notable by itself. I just went through all the GNC and this page satisfied this criteria. either restore it or I can create the page with the correct title. Please help me what we need to do more to satisfy notability. Magdyshanna (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

The article Https:/testinginstitute.com was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named 331dot. Have you tried asking 331dot for clarification? Most people answering questions here at the Teahouse aren't administrators and therefore are no longer able to see the content of the article. If you think the article was incorrectly deleted, the best thing to do would be to ask 331dot for clarification. In general, articles about organizations need to satisfy WP:NCORP and this can sometimes be hard because the notability requirements for companies and organizations tend to require that multiple reliable sources showing that significant coverage is provided are needed. Ten sources sounds like a lot, but it's not so much the quantity of the sources cited that matter, but rather the quality. Any information that appears to be too closely connected to the organization itself (e.g. press or media releases/announcements, interviews) might not be considered sufficient to establish notability regardless of whether where the information is published. I can't say for certain because I can't see the article, and the Teahouse isn't really the place to do a detailed assessment of sources (i.e., there's no need to start posting them here). So, once again, you should discuss things with 331dot and explain why you think an error was made. Finally, your last post states Please help me what we need to do more to satisfy notability., but it's not clear who the we is. Are you connected to the International Institute for Software Testing in some way? Are you working on its behalf the create a Wikipedia article about it? If you are (or if you're not sure whether you are), then you should take a careful look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid contribution disclosure for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the great advice. Will do accordingly. Magdyshanna (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry, how to direct a question to 331.dot? I replied to the post about deleting the article but received no response. Magdyshanna (talk) 05:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the admin who deleted it is PrimeHunter. How do I ask him question. I replied to the post Magdyshanna (talk) 06:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

When you click on https:/testinginstitute.com, it takes you to the page where the article used to be. On that page, it gives the date and time the page was deleted, the name of the administrator who deleted the page, and the reason why it was deleted. You can post a message on that adminstrator's user talk page and ask them to clarify why the page was deleted. As long as your post is WP:CIVIL, you should be fine. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? for general reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Magdyshanna I deleted the draft under what is called the "A7" speedy deletion criteria, which means that there was no credible claim of significance of the company described in the article, in other words, it did not show how the company meets WP:ORG, the Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources provided were almost exclusively related to the company, either press releases or the company website. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You say "The sources provided were almost exclusively related to the company, either press releases or the company website" this is not true. I provided 10 sited 10 references, only one of the them is the company web site, which I assume is important for people readers to know the company we being mentioned and two press releases. The other 7 are all independent reputable industry magazines and other articles that mentioned how unique the company is. I can delete those three references if that bothers you. Magdyshanna (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

could please respond to my note? Magdyshanna (talk) 23:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

AfC for Captain Robert Hicks has been rejected by one reviewer

If anyone is able to assist me in saving this article from its current "rejected" status, would they be kind enough to do so here: [[3]]? - I find it difficult to be in two places at once! Would a change of title, making the article about the Hicks family, be more acceptable than being focussed on Robert Hicks? Anne (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no amount of assistance is going to make the subject (or their family) notable enough to become the subject of a Wikipedia article. You have already been given very good advice.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Per this comment, also see WP:OVERCOME. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Captain Robert Hicks, North Carolina Militia

Anne None of the information in the draft suggests that the Hicks family as such would be Wikipedia-notable. As for this being about Robert, that would mean removing all content not directly about Robert and seeing what was left. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Promoting all presidents to good article status

I would like to work towards getting all the presidents to at least good article status. I was wondering if someone can evaluate all the presidents articles that are not good or featured articles on what their issues are and figure out which articles will be easy to work on and which articles will need a lot of work before reaching featured article status. Interstellarity (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd recommend you check out the US Presidents Wikiproject, which is intended to organize work on those articles. I'm not sure how active that project is, but it does have some tables to overview the current state of those articles. It takes some work to evaluate an article, so it might be best to choose one to focus on and ask specifically about it.--Noren (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

There are lots of articles about presidents and most of them probably have banners for WikiProjects on the tops of their user talk pages; so, that might be a good place to start. You’re also probably going to need to be clearer about which type of articles you asking for help on. Are you talking about biographies about individual presidents of countries, organizations, institutions or companies? Are you talking about more general articles about the office of president, or list articles about the president of certain countries? The word “president” might mean different things to different people. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: To be clear, I am talking about the biographies of the individual presidents who served as president. Interstellarity (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Interstellarity - I think you missed the point of the question in giving an American-centric answer in an international Anglophone community. There are approximately 200 countries in the world, and I would guess that more than half of them each have an office of president, where the others either are monarchies or have some alternate governmental system. There have been hundreds, maybe a few thousand, individuals who have served as president of a republic. You were being asked whether you meant President of the United States, current heads of state, or what. This is an international encyclopedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin are just two newsworthy examples of the "individual presidents who served as president". Although both articles look very good to my inexpert eye, neither is "good" (let alone "featured"), and I think you'd have your hands full getting either promoted. -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: To be even more clear, I have no interest in promoting those articles to good article status. What I would like to do is focus on the US presidents. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Your best bet, in my opinion, is to discuss what you want to do with the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Presidents (as suggested above by Noren) because that's where you're likely to find editors familiar with these articles and interested in helping you. Check out WP:POTUS#Task 1 because that seems to be one of primary goals of that WikiProject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity Interesting proposal. Per WP:POTUS#Task 1, 30 of 45 U.S. Presidents' articles are currently either GA or FA. Of the other 15, most are either Failed nominations (examples Kennedy, LBJ) or Delisted former GA or FA (examples Jefferson, Ford). Appears only Buchanan (C-class) and Hoover (C-class) have never been nominated. The article on President Obama achieved FA in 2004, was reviewed and kept 11 times, then reviewed and demoted in 2021. David notMD (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity, making U.S. presidents a good topic is a monumental, frankly unrealistic goal. I would start by looking a little smaller—check out the FARs for the delisted FAs and see if any of them have low-hanging fruit that'd let you get them back up at least to GA. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with Sdkb. MarchJuly pointed out that there are editors who have already been active on U.S. President articles. The Delisted list (former FA or GA): Jefferson, T Roosevelt, Ford, Bush (senior), Obama, Biden. The failed nomination list: Monroe, JQ Adams, Buren, Trump. Or else first tackle the two never-nominated: Buchanan and Hoover. My own multi-year task has been to raise all vitamin articles to GA. Out of 13, 9 are now GA and one Vitamin A nominated and awaiting a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of FAR - one suggestion of a US President article where there is discussion and a current, detailed review: the current FAR discussion for William Henry Harrison. While that article is currently Featured, it's in danger of losing that status and could use help- which arguably has just as much practical importance as getting a new article promoted. --Noren (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How to become a host in Teahouse

Can you tell me how to become a host on Teahouse? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:5C17:7652:27D9:A01F (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Becoming a host at the teahouse requires you to be extended confirmed, which additionally requires you first to create an account (which has many other benefits) and have 500 edits + 30 days of editing casualdejekyll 03:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course, the title of "host" confers no privileges or authority; it's generally given to users who are regulars and give helpful answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The most important factor, by far, is to consistently give accurate, informative and friendly answers at the Teahouse. I agree with Casualdejekyll that, if you want to become a "Teahouse regular", that it would be advisable to create an account. Cullen328 (talk) 06:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

verify my article

Shadeen Anglin plz verify AhmdAsjad (talk) 06:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Forum-shopping won't help. You've received the same responces on IRC, the AfD, and now here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 06:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Kanmani_Pappa

Draft:Kanmani Pappa plz review it and movie AhmdAsjad (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

AhmdAsjad you had a notice of paid editing for Kanmani Pappa but have now removed it. Why? If you are paid then you need to declare this or your editing privileges will be taken away. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

To date, you have attempted to create eleven articles. Are you a paid editor for all? You declared paid for only two, then reverted one. Status: one existng article, four closed AfDs, one article at Proposed deletion, two articles Speedy deleted, one article currently at AfD and two drafts. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which Twinkle warning?

I want to warn this person using Twinkle. Which warning fits their behavior? lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Lol1VNIO and welcome to the teahouse! I really don't think Big forehead really fits the category of libel, doesn't really harm their reputation. maybe just typical disruptive editing or vandalism? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding images of stamps to articles

Dear All One of the ways I would like to edit and add content to the Wikipedia is y adding good quality images of stamps. Sometimes they add details or a visual reference where no photography is available. they also, are a part of culture and history. I am reading the guidelines but caanot find a way to address this question. Let's say I want to add the jpeg of a stamp to this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_C.II

You can read at the article that this aircraft was used also by hungarians. There is already a picture of the austro-hungarian plane. On 1968, the Magyar Posta (Post office of Hungary) made a stamp of this same plane. I add a link to the image, (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/moscow-russia-july-postage-stamp-printed-hungary-shows-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-236719531.jpg) I must say that I own a copy of the stamp and will scan it in high resolution, etc...

Where do you think that this image can be added at the article? I don't see the place to add another image and the article is perfectly edited. Can you point me where I can find the guidelines for adding more images, like stamps? I have a HUGE collection, maybe when we speak about flowers and animals this depictions can be of some value, in any case, they are an art expression, from my point of view.

Some help? Thanks in advance. Tmg-pmi (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I did this for one article years ago and my addition of a photograph of a U.S. stamp was reverted as a copyright infringement. On the other hand, if I go to Commons and search on the word "stamp" there are literally hundreds of thousands of images. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The copyright rules for stamps vary country-by-country and by age of the stamp. Hence it gets complicated. The index page for all this is on Commons at c:Commons:Stamps. Please make sure, Tmg-pmi that you have read the relevant rules carefully before you upload any images to Commons, or you may be wasting your own time and that of others who have to delete images that don't have the appropriate license. In general, Hungarian stamps are probably not in the public domain. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WP have dark mode?

If have, how to activate it? Success think (talk) 11:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Success think! Yes, Wikipedia does have a Dark Mode option. You need to switch it on in preferences first so that the Dark Mode will appear at the top of your page to toggle on or off. Detailed instructions for this are on this page here. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Accessing old TP’s

Hi... anyone please, how can I access old talk/archive pages? At the moment I’m only able to read/open up Active Discussions... but for older discussions I can’t seem to get? Can anyone suggest anything?

I using Iphone-6plus with Safari browser if that makes any difference? Thank you in advance. 81.108.244.153 (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 81.108.244.153. Check the top of the article talk page to see whether there are links to its archives. For example, if you look at the top of Wikipedia talk:Teahouse, you'll see a search window and an index for previously archived pages. There are various ways for a talk page to be archived, but usually all of them involve some kind of index at the top of the current version of the page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Soccer ( Football ) museums and Halls of Fames in the world List_of_sports_museums_and_halls_of_fame_in_Australia

we have in Western Australia the Football Hall of Fame Western Australia which was established in 1996 to preserve the history and memorabilia of soccer / football in Western Australia and we hope to establish a museum this year for that sole purpose , which we believe will be the only dedicated soccer / football museum in Australia So I was asking how we get to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia please Thank you, for your time Elizabeth Re President Football Hall of Fame Western Australia 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (talk) 12:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (aka Elizabeth). What you should do it go to the article's talk page at Talk:List of sports museums and halls of fame in Australia and make an edit request. At the top of the talk page, you'll see a tab called "New section". Click on it and a window will open when you can post your request. Follow the instructions given here and post your request. Generally, it's a good idea to use the template Template:Request edit for such requests and there are instructions on how to use the template found on its documentation page. Once you've added your request, click on "Show preview" to make sure things look OK. If they do, click on "Publish changes" and your request will be posted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Elizabeth, and Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, I'm going to disagree somewhat with Marchjuly. While you could indeed do what Marchjuly says, I would reject such a request unless you can adduce the independent reliable sources required to establish that your Hall of Fame and Museum meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Another way of putting this is that the answer to your question "how we get to to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia" is "You don't. Wikipedia is not here to advertise your endeavour, however laudable it may be. If it meets the criteria for notability, then we could have an article on it (and it could be mentioned in the list); but such an article would not belong to you, not be controlled by you, and would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say". ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Confusion in shortlisting reliable sources in fintech for citation regarding

I am trying to edit the page about fintech. When I google the term and go through the articles. They all seem to have some valid point or the other. However, most are blogs or articles written by people in the field. As you know fintech is a recent phenomenon, and not all the sides are covered in respectable publications. Moreover, some of the publications like New York Times are subscription based.

How do I go about finding reliable sources for the edits that I want to make? Please help.

If I did, that will be my very first edit on Wikipedia. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mvsudhakaran. If you're a newcomer here, I'd advise starting slowly. Looking at Financial technology, specifically as it is now, the article could do with some clean-up before more gets added. For example, citations 11,12, and 13 are all to the same source so WP:Named references should be used to consolidate them. Using subscription-based citations are fine (#10 is just that currently) and obviously it helps if you personally have access to the publications you want to use. Citations are there to ensure that statements in articles can be verified by readers but we don't insist that all readers have easy access to all sources. If there's something you want to add but are unsure about, then use the Talk Page of the relevant article, e.g. Talk:Financial technology, to discuss the issue with other editors first. WP:RSPS is a help page for sources generally considered reliable. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. I will paraphrase my understanding of your thoughtful suggestion.

I will go to the Talk Page and flesh out the content I want to include in the page. Then, I will get the help of other editors to take it forward.

I think that should work. Thanks for the tip. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

New Here

Hello Everyone,

I am new to Wikipedia, and I submitted a biography about two weeks a go. It's called Dr.Foz; but now I cant access it; I get this Redirect message every time and I don't know what to do to get access to the draft. I'm just wondering when is it gonna be published on the internet?

thank you,

Shaimaa

Shaimaa2 (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Shaimaa2! The Draft still exists, here, it appears to have been renamed by Dan arndt so perhaps that is why you're having problems finding it. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shaaimaa2, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your article has been moved to draft space, and renamed Draft:Fawzzeyyah Zeid Al-Durai by Dan arndt, who has regrettably not left you a message anywhere explaining why. Looking through the references quickly, it looks as if many of them do not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and conatining WP:significant coverage of the subject. Please have a look at WP:NBIO for information about the sourcing required.

The fact is that creating a new article is much much much more difficult than most people realise, and if people try to create an article as the first thing, or almost the first thing, that they do in editing Wikipedia, they usually have a frustrating time. Your attempt is not bad as regards its formatting, but I'm afraid that you haven't yet understood the requirements of sourcing. My advice would be to leave the draft aside for a few months, while you work on existing articles, and leqarn about sourcing. (The draft may get deleted after six months if you do nothing to it, but you can continue to improve it from time to time as you come to understand what is needed). ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Approval

I'm freshman on Wikipedia. Can you tell me how I'm able to know that the article I created is approved or not? Is there any sign on the article page? Or I must wait some kind of notification letter.

Thanks in advance. Kamron99 (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kamron99: It is already in article space, but I see that from the deletion log at Draft:Kateryna Gornostai, Explicit deleted the draft on 27 February on grounds of deletion criterion G7, while Kateryna Gornostai was created in article space on the 26.
@Robert McClenon: Has there been any substantial change between the draft and this article? As I don't have a draft to compare it to, I'm contemplating moving this into draftspace if there isn't any. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Tenryuu - I didn't see the draft. At least, I don't think I saw the draft. I do see that User:Kamron99 corrected the omission of articles, which was the reason for my tagging it for copy-edit. I also see that User:Kamron99 reverted edits by User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång, and am not sure why they did that. I don't understand the original question by the original poster, who asks about approval. Are they asking whether the article has been reviewed, so that it will be indexed? If so, why? That question is usually asked with regard to search engine optimization. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I saw that the draft and the article were more or less the same, and left a message for User:Kamron99 that it is not necessary to create the same article in both draft space and article space. I can't be sure about details, because the draft was then deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why move Kateryna Gornostai to draftspace? David notMD (talk) 16:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

As much as I would like to assume good faith, the timing of creating the subject in mainspace versus when it was deleted seems a little too coincidental. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

What I have difficulty assuming good faith about is an editor asking about whether an article has been "approved" when it is already in article space, because that usually means they are interested in search engine rankings. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

My best guess is that the creating author started with a draft, then decided to move the content to mainspace on 26 Feb, then realized the draft still existed, so author-requested the draft be deleted on 27 Feb. If the article is not mainspace worthy, then move it to draft, but if the only problem is you do not know what happened, I suggest you query the article creator. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which is the reason I'm querying. Newcomers skipping the AfC process tends to raise a few eyebrows. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The use of the AFC process is optional. I do not ask questions about why new editors skip the AFC process, which is slow. However, I do ask questions about why new editors ask about reviewing and indexing, and I ask questions about why an editor would request that a draft be deleted when there is an article. User:Kamron99 - What exactly are you asking about the article, and why are you asking? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Kamron99 You are being asked to comment here. David notMD (talk) 18:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, well, This editor came and first edited on 19 February, and edited through 1 March, including a draft and an article on Kateryna Gornostai. They then made one edit, on 13 March, to ask this question, and didn't stay around for the answer. Well, well. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Time zone

Is there a way to account for US daylight savings using {{current time}} and possibly some parser functions?

Example: to have UTC-08:00 switch to UTC-07:00 in March then back to UTC-08:00 in November. Thanks. (I'm using {{infobox Wikipedia user}} if it helps) Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 17:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rusty4321 Welcome to the Teahouse. Personally, I find making two additional edits a year isn't much of an issue, but would {{Template:CurrentTimeIn}} suit your needs? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Nick Moyes! That is exactly what I was looking for. Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 23:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

On second thought, I just used {{#ifeq: (omitted) }}. Rusty4321 ^{talk contributions log} 23:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Can an (auto)confirmed user on the Hebrew Wikipedia please nominate this page for AfD?

(Sorry if this is not the place to ask, as I don't know where to ask on the Hebrew wiki)

FYI

 – autoconfirmed requires 100 edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia

he:מיקמק has a singular source, and I think it should be deleted, but I can't add the AfD template, as it's semi-protected.

Additionaly, the previous deletion "discussions" were mainly either just votes, "I like it", "It's popular", or "It's Israeli". I think it should have a proper discussion. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: If you need help with the Hebrew Wikipedia, ask there. This is the link to that Wiki's help desk: [4] RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, each Wikipedia sets its own rules for deletion. We don't count "votes" here on EN Wikipedia, but the rules at HE Wikipedia may be different. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Edits being deleted

Hello, I was recently editing the most recent episodes of "Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend" and after I completed the edits, all the section for episodes airing in 2022 was deleted and I'm not sure why if I've been editing the episodes for several months and this is the first time this happens. Any ideas of what could be the problem? Thanks! 189.207.39.74 (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In looking at the edit history, you had one edit where you removed your own edit. Perhaps this was unintentional? 331dot (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

It was, as I thought I could just redo the text that was deleted from the previous version, but it didn't work... what I don't get is why the whole section of episodes aired in 2022 gets deleted instead of just the portion that I added? 189.207.39.74 (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I reverted your second attempt, as that also made the pre-existing 2022 information invisible. Maybe someone else can detect the error. David notMD (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA PAGE

Hello, I am a musical artist and i wanted to get a wikepedia page about me, what method do u propose ? 41.200.214.141 (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Make an account and on your talk page site your works. You can edit your talk pages at any time if you are using the same type of pc as me you can go to the top of your page and click edit DMPenguin (talk) 20:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

DMPenguin's suggestion isn't helpful. The reality is that you ideally should have zero control over what an article says about you, and having a Wikipedia article is something many later come to see as a problem. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Wikipedia does not have "pages", it has articles, typically written by independent editors unconnected with the subject, in which they summarize what independent reliable sources say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- for musicians that is written at WP:BAND. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, to add to what my friend and colleague 331dot has already explained to you, please you may find reading WP:FAMOUS to be quite helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

If you tell us your name, we can look for independent sources that have written about you and your work, and tell you whether or not we feel you meet our notability criteria for having an article about you here. See WP:NMUSIC for those criteria. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:AUTO, as Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not attempt to create an article about themselves. David notMD (talk) 05:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Kentucky records

On the list of sec basketball championship records the info about Kentucky is in gross error. 2601:840:8600:81C0:787F:92BB:BFBC:F6A7 (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct comments about a specific article to its associated talk page; all articles have a talk page associated with them to discuss any issues related to that article. For example, the talk page for Joe Biden is located at Talk:Joe Biden. If you are using the full desktop version of Wikipedia, there is a link to the talk page at the top of every article.(I don't know how to access it in the mobile version off the top of my head, but others here do). 331dot (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why does /t_S/ and /k/ sound alike? And why is it frequently switched with another? e.g. chicken and kitchen.

Nothing to say here. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@IloveUveryMuch: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think this question will get better answers at the language reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Byte amount

How do you see the amount of bytes in a page? Oixyplanet (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet: Use the "Page information" link in the left sidebar. RudolfRed (talk) 00:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Flickr image

Can we upload image flickr image of Whitehead's Broadbill even thou the license is still "All rights reserved" and the author has given me permission at the image's comment section to use it? 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 01:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the exact license that it has. Please link the image you are asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

This [5]. 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! the image can be uploaded if the uploader officially changes the file's license to something like creative commons, since it's still currently all rights reserved. see WP:IMAGE for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Bascially, the copyright holder of the image needs to do something like this. If they want to do that, then great. If not, there's no way for the license to be uploaded for use on Wikipedia. However, make sure they understand that once they release the work on an acceptable Flickr license and it's uploaded to Commons, they can't really change their mind at a later date. They're not really transfering their copyright ownerships to another person, but rather just releasing their work under a license that makes it much easier for others to use. As long as, the reusers comply with the terms of the license, they can continue to use the file without needing to ask for additional permission as explained here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Article Help

I am currently creating a article about Swissôtel Clark, a newly opened hotel in Clark, Philippines. The problem is, the hotel is part of a resort complex which includes a hotel (Marriott Clark), a casino complex (Hann Casino Resort), and a planned hotel to open in 2023 (Mercure Clark). Can the article about Swissôtel Clark be a standalone article or should it be part of an article about the resort complex? Thank you. Article draft link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ShiriEdits/sandbox ShiriEdits^Talk 01:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ShiriEdits. The answer is, No, not until several people unconnected with the hotel or the resort have chosen to write articles about it. The four links below are all saying what the hotel's proprietors want to say. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

References

wiki page not approved

May I know the issue why my submission Got declined Ezone tech (talk) 02:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ezone tech: Look at the talk page messages at User_talk:Ezone_tech for an explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy Draft:SwifDoo. Ezone tech All of the refs are to the Swifdoo website. Wikipedia requires that content be verified by refs that are independent of the company. See WP:CORP for other guidelines. David notMD (talk) 06:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Why did you resubmit without first replacing all the swifdoo refs? Fix it or expect another Declined. David notMD (talk) 00:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I get the article below approved?

Hello guys, I would like to know how to get the article below approved. It's be sometime now. Thank you.

Draft:Today News Africa Thewashingtonimmigrant (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thewashingtonimmigrant! As the message on the draft says:

This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order.

As of whenever you're reading this, there are currently 1,786 submissions waiting to be reviewed, so it could take some time. Just be patient and someone will have a look eventually! Bsoyka (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tell this guy to stop

User:Ripomobo11 without a break reverting sourced material from MS Dhoni. Dhoni receives money from playing cricket in Indian premier league means he's a professional cricketer. But this user writing in lead that he's former profesional Cricketer. You have to do something about it. This user looks incompetent to write here, but still doing these things even other users warned him on his talk page. Success think (talk) 03:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page: Talk:MS Dhoni and invite the other editor to participate. Hopefully you'll come to some consensus, and then you can tackle all the other issues with the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia interested in reality anymore?

So far, I see that Wikipedia is perpetuating a situation in which people all over Earth literally lost touch with reality because people using Allied Command titles were re-writing stuff in High Command style. Y'all have a system of denial of the startling reconciliation of religious warfare that emanated from Humboldt while Microsoft's attempted takeover of Earth using Earth's leaders as hostages and betraying the USA. You still appear to be in denial that God and I are real people charged with the responsibility of preserving history accurately and resolving large-scale problems. Is it worth our time to help y'all return to reality, or will you just keep deleting crucial descriptions of societal patterns? Thank y'all, I still believe in Wikipedia--it was once great.--. Mydearpeople (talk) 06:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. If you can find reliable published sources to support your content that would be the way forward. Theroadislong (talk) 07:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

For the curious: The Mydearpeople account was started 1 March 2022, and made two edits, both to Talk:Earth, both reverted as not being relevant to the topic, and two nonsensical requests to reduce page protection, also reverted. David notMD (talk) 07:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Checking your edits, Mydearpeople, WP:NOTAFORUM seems relevant. Use your social media instead. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Asker appears to be WP:NOTHERE. Just to remind you, Mydearpeople, we're here primarily to build an encyclopedia. If you're only here to "right great wrongs" or whatever, that's not going to fly. casualdejekyll 12:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear, people. This editor has now been blocked per WP:NOTHERE. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I am not shocked, I tell you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Review Sanjeev Tyagi.

Please review the Draft:Sanjeev_Tyagi and let us know the problems with the article so that we can remove them and resubmit it. Columbidae5 (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thi draft was Declined and then Rejected ten months ago, and that was after a mainspace article about Tyagi went through AfD and was Deleted (look at that for reasons). Most of the refs confirm roles he has played. NONE of that contributes to establishing notability. What is missing are content and refs to articles published about him in reliable source refs. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request Declined

Hi, I'm working on the Taiwan+ page via the article's talk page as I have a COI (disclosed on my profile). I've been working to supplement the article's talk page with secondary sources that support that the information is verifiable and has clear evidence of significance. I tagged the edits under the request edit template, but when I navigated to the COI noticeboard I noticed that edit request is listed as Declined. I'm wondering if it's possible to see why the request has been denied, and generally how to attract the attention of more experienced editors to the page. For example, I have several Mandarin-language sources listed that I don't know how to get the attention of a bilingual editor about. I was also wondering if COI editors are able to add photos to a page, like the addition of a company logo, and where I might find info to help with that process if it's permissible. Thanks! Rchouman (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rchouman. When a edit request is declined, the editor who reviewed the request usually leaves an explanation as to why and then marks the request as answered. Your request was declined by an editor named Bilorv and the reason why Bilorv declined the request is given here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rchouman: your first edit request was partially implemented by me, as you read and responded to. If you have another specific change you are suggesting ("Add this source accompanied by the following sentence: ___", but not "Can somebody find and add more sources about X?"), then you can make a new edit request. If you make an edit request as normal with Mandarin-language sources, somebody with sufficient expertise should come along and answer it eventually, and there's not necessarily a way to speed up that process. Volunteers patrol the list of edit requests according to their own interests or areas of knowledge; there is no order to the queue or fixed time in which a request will be answered. For questions like that of the company logo, you could leave a message at the Teahouse itself, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment (depending on how specialised the query is). — Bilorv (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

how to use reference link

how to add reference link in biography example:Hina Khan at Bollywood Hungama Publiconline123 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Publiconline123 Try WP:TUTORIAL. WP:BLP may also be helpful to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone explain this: Cite error: The named reference ":1" was defined multiple times with different content .

Hello, can someone please explain this error and how to fix it? thank you, Rymknows23 (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rymknows23. Try looking at WP:REFNAME and H:CERDK because I believe they cover the problem you're having. Basically, somewhere in the article there are two or more citations defined as "<ref name=:1>citation information</ref>" and the software is confused about which one to refer to when the reference is subsequently invoked using the syntax "<ref name=:1 />" at other locations throughout the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, to simplify what Marchjuly said, somewhere in the article you have <ref name=:1>A</ref> and <ref name=:1>B</ref> and the software Wikipedia runs on is confused as to which one is meant to be <ref name=:1> . You can fix it by figuring out which ref the ref name is meant to belong to and removing the name=:1 from the other which will just change it to a ref. If you're trying to use different refs for ref names then you can simply just give one of them a different ref name. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That's one of the reasons that the advice at WP:REFNAME suggests it is bad practice to use names that are simple colon+number (and number alone won't work). Editors are supposed to use names that have some relevance to the content of the citation, so it is less likely that someone else will accidentally choose the same name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Most likely, Rymknows23 did not introduce such reference names as :1, :2, ... themselves, but rather used the visual editor which creates such reference names. Unless we ask them to switch to source editing, there is nothing they can do about it. (As much as I hate visual editor, I must admit it is more newbie-friendly.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the ref error (which I have fixed) was slightly different. At Draft:FoodBeeper. ref name=":1" was used twice with intent to identify the same ref, but there was a typo in the second ref text. I changed the name at the first usage to "Boueche" and used the / method for the second usage. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

David notMD (talk), thank you so much for fixing the problem. ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Details for References in Sources?

In the article "Edmund Gurney" the entry "Hall 1964" appears in the References many times, but that is the full extent of the detail there. The section "Sources" contains the entry "Hall, Trevor H. (1964). The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney...". Is it supposed to be self-evident that they are the same thing? It would be nice if this was made more explicit somewhere. The entry "Hall 1964" is a link, so I clicked it in the hope of getting such confirmation, but up came another opening of the "Edmund Gurney" article I was already reading! This is utterly pointless. Can something be changed so that clicking the "Hall 1964" entry does go to the detailed entry in the Sources? Thanks. 61.68.250.211 (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! yes, the reference does refer to the book The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney, which the source link already redirects to. if I'm correct it's a physical book instead of the usual webpage link and the individual references are referring to pages of said book (for example Hall 1964 p. 27 refers to page 27 of said book). happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

When you say "which the source link already redirects to", do you mean that if I click any of the "Hall 1964" entries (which ARE blue links) in the References section, it IS supposed to display or lead to the full-length entry in the Sources section? (The second of the three entries there, which for me is entirely white and not a link AFAICT.) That is not what happens for me - I am viewing on a Galaxy tablet, not a PC. Could that be making the difference? 61.68.250.211 (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That isn't a limitation of the device that you are using to read Wikipedia. It behaves the same on a Windows device. It is supposed to be self-evident that "Hall 1964" is a short notation for "Hall, Trevor H. (1964). The Strange Case of Edmund Gurney...", and that that is a printed book. There probably isn't any information available on the web. Wikipedia requires that information in articles be verifiable, and it is, by finding the book in a library, or buying the book second-hand via Amazon or eBay. If Wikipedia required that all references be web links, that would exclude the ability to list information such as this that is found only in printed books. The source is a printed book that may not exist online. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I am not asking that the reference itself should be on the web; I can see that it is a book. I am asking (perhaps only wishing) that the short-form entries in the References "Hall 1964" when clicked should lead to, or display, their long-form entries in the Sources section (totally within WP). The system already does seem to be trying to do this, but it only opens the TOP of the same article over again, when it should at least be going down to the Sources section, and preferably be displaying only the text of the relevant entry. It is this action that I feel may be deficient on a tablet. 61.68.250.211 (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you not seeing Hall 1964 in §References as a link? When I click on them, they take me to §Sources and highlight the Hall source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

For me, both in the Firefox browser, and in the Android Wikipedia app, if I pick (eg) reference 21, it takes me to the top of the "Sources" section". On Firefox it highlights the particular source, as Tenryuu says. In the app, it offers me a new page, but when I go it it, it opens at the Sources section. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I am not clicking any reference by number in the body of the article. I have the References section open and I DO see (eg:) "Hall 1964" as a link. If I click that link it is the same as if I clicked the link to some other article: I see the title and the introduction to the article, only it is the SAME Gurney article that I was already viewing. It stays at the top; it does NOT "take me to Sources and highlight the Hall source". I am using the Android Wikipedia app, but obviously the "go down and highlight" function is deficient on this tablet. Perhaps I should try to update or reinstall the app - AFAIK it has been unchanged since I got the tablet. 61.68.250.211 (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay, I booted up the Wikipedia app on my Android device to see if I can replicate your issue. I went into the article, scrolled to §References, and tapped on one of the linked Hall citations. A prompt comes up with "Open a new tab" or "Read article". Picking "Read article", the app directs me to §Sources to display the full Hall citation. What version of the Wikipedia app are you using? I'm on version 2.7.50396-r-2022-03-03, which was last updated on 3 Mar 2022. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Both of you may be having problems due to using the Wikipedia app on an Android. Some editors advise against using the Wikipedia app on an Android. Use the Firefox or Chrome web browsers on the Android, either in mobile view or in desktop view, but the Wikipedia app is worse than either mobile view or desktop view. That may be the problem. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I didn't encounter any problems: the link seems to be working on the app as intended, just like ColinFine. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

When I view the article in my Chrome browser and click one of the short-form links in the References, it DOES display in a pop-up the corresponding full text from the Sources, ie: sensible operation. My copy of the Wikipedia app IS (rather to my surprise) the 2.7.50396-r-2022-03-03 version as reported by Tenyruu. So it seems that "using the Wikipedia app on an Android" is indeed the problem. Thank you all for your help in discovering this. Is it worth reporting this to the appropriate area, or would they already know, or is it a lost cause? 61.68.250.211 (talk) 06:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia App is fine for reading but for editing, I find it quite inadequate. casualdejekyll 14:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a html doctor in the house?

I'm sure I am making a really silly error with this syntax but as I don't speak HTML, I can't see what it is:

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in [[Trebuchet MS]]), an uppercase {{angbr|i}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font family: Arial, Helvetica;">I</span> is indistinguishable from a lowercase {{angbr|L}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font family: Arial, Helvetica;">l</span>.

which produces

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in Trebuchet MS), an uppercase ⟨i⟩ I is indistinguishable from a lowercase ⟨L⟩ l.

— Letter (alphabet)#Typeface and font

In my preferences, my Wikipedia settings font is Trebuchet (for exactly this reason) so I can see that the result is not a straight l, not Arial or Helvtica, so it is not working as expected. I have also tried font: Arial, Helvetica, that doesn't work either. (Most of the rest of the markup is stolen from {{char}}.) Could someone point out the error of my ways? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Welcome to the Teahouse. Out of curiosity, have you tried font-family instead of font, and limited it to either Arial or Helvetica? I'm using the default font so I can't see any particular difference save for the background padding you've added. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

By George, she's got it! I do believe she's got it!. (I confess to having tried various syntaxes here before saving, so what I posted first wasn't actually my original consistent syntax and ended up with a bit of a dog's breakfast: I have put that right in case anyone else is looking at this and I don't want to be totally embarrassed.) Yes! The missing link was that hyphen: font-family: works, neither font family: nor font: do. Here is the proof:

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in Trebuchet MS), an uppercase ⟨i⟩ I is indistinguishable from a lowercase ⟨L⟩ l.

— Letter (alphabet)#Typeface and font

Thank you, Tenryuu! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

At the risk of rudely discarding all your hard work, I've noticed you can get the same styles with {{sans-serif|{{char|I}}}}, so I went ahead and added that. On second thought, maybe it should be {{char|{{sans-serif|I}}}} ?:S... The end result looks the same, it just removes the duplicated CSS declarations from article space. The implied declaration font-family: sans-serif should hopefully appear as either Helvetica or Arial on most browsers, and it should also play nice on those very rare systems where neither Arial nor Helvetica are included as default fonts. Cheers, RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 17:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@RoxySaunders: Thank you but sadly I'm afraid that doesn't work if the sans-serif font in your preferences includes an ell with a tail: for the description to be guaranteed to be accurate, the fonts have to be specified by name to be certain of getting a 'straight' ell. Otherwise, otherwise.

I don't have a Linux or MacOS box, just Chrome OS and Windows. Are there other fonts that I should add to the list? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone please tell me how to fix this: Orphaned non-free image File:Foodbeeper.png

I received this recently and I don't get what it means. Also I can't upload the image however I tried. I would appreciate it if someone could help me in this. Thank you, ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rymknows23. It appears that you uploaded a non-free image intending to use it in an article you were working on, which is currently a draft. Non-free images are not allowed in drafts, and the image was not used in an actual article. So, the image was deleted. Do not worry about images at this time. Focus on improving your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tags in my articles

Some of my articles have a Notability tag and categories. When should i remove them? WillsEdtior777 (talk) 16:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Never. You have a pattern of creating drafts and then moving those drafts to mainspace. Subsequently other editors added a Notability tag, meaning that they did not think that the article was so flawed as to need to be reverted to draft or deleted, but worth highlighting as not quite up to Wikipedia standards. One example is Da Vinci (magazine), which you flipped to mainspace after a reviewer declined it at AfC. You can work on improving those articles, but leave it to an independent editor in time (likely loooong time) to remove the tag. David notMD (talk) 17:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

"Some of my articles...". Pause right there. Articles do not belong to individuals. There is no "my article" concept of ownership. The article's creator may, of course, feel a sense of attachment, and that's natural, but the creator is not an owner. Feline Hymnic (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Yes i've moved them to draft and after being done with them i felt confident to move them up to the mainspace. About the time that's very disappointing. Should i move it back to draft to resolve the issue? Or is there any way to resolve this in a faster way?

@Feline Hymnic: Yes they're not mine. I meant articles i made. Obviously i do not own the articles or the entity on it.WillsEdtior777 (talk)

Neither. Moving to draft would be a demotion of an existing article. You can work on improving the article, but do leave to someone else to decide on the tag removal. Separately, on your Talk page, you were advised not to submit drafts to AfC if your intention is to move your drafts to mainspace when you feel those are ready. You can create work as drafts without submitting to AfC. David notMD (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Okuike is an orphan

My first ever article Okuike is an "orphan".

But it links to other articles, and other articles link to it too.

So why is it an orphan and how can I fix it?

Thanks! Yamateigirisujin (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Yamateigirisujin. You are correct that the article is not an orphan, so I have removed the orphan tag. Cullen328 (talk) 17:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Mind games

which games are mind games and how are they played? 41.114.55.145 (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps this link will give you a place to start: Mind Games (disambiguation). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with Conflict of Interest Request

Hello - Last month, I made a conflict of interest edit request to the Hikvision page in response to the request on the page for updated company information. I understand and appreciate that there is a high volume of requests waiting for review, but is there any way that I can move this process along or assist? I can be patient for a response from an editor, but I wanted to make sure there is nothing I can do to help on my end. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated - thank you! Mikesdsu (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguate Walter the Whale?

Hi to everyone in the Teahouse. I am an inexperienced editor, and I have come to get a reply to the questions that follow. Should the article Walter the Whale be disambiguated in the DAB named Walter? And what is an appropriate section for individual animals? Thank you for your time. Rebecca Beecham Gotzl (talk) 19:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I think that individual animals should go under a new section. Ruslik_Zero 20:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I feel like it would be better in Other Uses for now until we get other notable animals named Walter 💜  melecie  talk - 00:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Notable people of Kasur

citation of reference from Dr.Riaz Anjam's book about the writers of Kasur Rehana Tabassan (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rehana Tabassan, could you clarify what you need help with? Is there an article you are trying to edit? Best, -Liance^{talk/contribs} 21:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Does this apply to Kasur#Notable people? David notMD (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I assume this is about Kasur#Notable people, but I'm not sure what you're asking, Rehana Tabassan. If you're offering a source for some of the people already on the list, you're welcome to add citations (see WP:REFB): make sure you give bibilographic information such as publisher and date, so that other editors can judge whether the source appeaqrs to be reliable.

If you're wanting to add further people to the section, you need to make sure that either there is already a separate article about them, or that there could be one, because they meet Wikipedia's criteria for notabillity.

If you're not confident to edit the article, please start a discussion on the talk page Talk:Kasur explaining what you want to do, and what your source says. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Famous people that don't have many news coverage

Hi, I converted a French Wikipedia article "Abish Brodt" to an English one & fixed it up (Draft:Abish Brodt). I keep on getting rejected because any standard editor who knows nothing about "Orthodox Jewish Music" won't find much media online, for he lives a quiet life (as many Orthodox Jews do). Yet he is a very significant piece of Jewish music history & known by almost EVERY Orthodox Jew.

I see many other articles on less significant artists in this genre. I want to add more, as that's the purpose of Wikipedia. (There are many many more than: Category:Orthodox pop musicians). Can someone please help overcome this obstacle? BangKettle (talk) 01:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

So there are no reviews of his work in print or online? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

All over the place. Just not many news articles on him. He's the lead singer for a series called Regesh. https://jewishmusic.fm/artist/abish-brodt/ (See the article for more info) BangKettle (talk) 01:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

These "reviews of his work in print or online" that are "[a]ll over the place": that sounds very promising, BangKettle. "All over the place" surely includes the web. Please, here, provide links to three among the many that you believe are good examples of discussions of him or his work. -- Hoary (talk) 01:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

https://djsa.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/archive/Regesh%20-%20Regesh%20Volume%20II%20-%20K7/Foldout06.jpg?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAWI5T45MEE5H6RHRV%2F20220315%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220315T011621Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=31d8c02ba67c58bdee67e04e28f671ca39e368edbb3137abf2110ad118bf1195

https://mostlymusic.com/products/volume-2-cd-2?_pos=8&_sid=4e8f1e1a8&_ss=r

https://djsa.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/archive/Shmuel_Brazil_-_Songs_of_Regesh_Vol_1/Back.jpg?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAWI5T45MEE5H6RHRV%2F20220315%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220315T011337Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=5d560069995c465543b568966e427a6a25fb2294427582b4319963ace4c45c50 BangKettle (talk) 02:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The first and the third of these, BangKettle, tell me "Request has expired". (But even if it hadn't, why are you providing links to Amazon Web Services?) The second is a sales page that says nothing about the man or his music. If there's nothing in print that's very much better than this trio, then no article about him can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, the 1st & 3rd were to Dartmouth Jewish Sound Archive that have the albums & covers, apparently it only works for me with an account. Is there a way to show those pictures by uploading somewhere?

Again, if you read the proposed article I made you'll see that he is a top personality. The Siyum Hashas is the largest event in Judaism today, & he's the main singer. The song Sholom Aleichem that he sings is one of the most famous songs in Orthodox Judaism. BangKettle (talk) 04:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

BangKettle, images of album covers do nothing to demonstrate notability. Also, I don't see that singing an extraordinarily famous song confers any kind of notability (Wikipedia or other) on the singer. The question would be, rather: Is this person notable as a singer of it? (Many have sung Bachianas Brasileiras 5, which I think we can call famous; but this in itself doesn't make all its singers notable. I believe that it did add to the notability of Bidu Sayão and Victoria de los Ángeles; and it might well have added to the notability of several others. But not to that of all.) A skim-read of the article Siyum HaShas suggests that it's a large event indeed. If you can present reliable sources that he was/is "the main singer", then that would be something. Is there no published commentary on his singing? (Your draft currently says that "He was a featured performer at the 10th, the 11th and the 13th Siyum HaShas"; within which, "featured" is a word meaning anything or nearly nothing.) There are no particular notability criteria for religious figures; since he's a singer, the draft must show that he satisfies either Wikipedia:Notability (music) or, more generally, Wikipedia:Notability (people) (he doesn't have to satisfy both). Note that as long as cited sources are reliable, they may be in any language. -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång. You can see here that he is one of the main highlights of the Siyum Hashas ("Niggunim" means songs)

https://archive.org/details/sim_jewish-observer_2005-10_38_8/page/n1/mode/2up?q=%22Abish+Brodt%22 BangKettle (talk) 13:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@BangKettle, if you haven't checked them already, some of the hits at [6] may be of some use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I delete a wikitia page?

Hello. I'd like to delete a page I was drafting for a music artist that was never approved for a wikipedia page but then ended up on wikitia. How do I go about doing so? The page is for 'Ron_Velvet' on wikitia. Thank you. Pinoypress1 (talk) 02:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pinoypress1: Hello Pinoy! Unfortunately no one here can help you with issues on Wikitia, so there's not much you can do to my knowledge. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikitia is wholly unrelated to Wikipedia. It's like asking the Canadian Government for advice on something in Australia, because they happen to speak the same language. You need to go to the right authority. ColinFine (talk) 09:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pinoypress1: As I understand it, it is doubtful they will remove it. Wikipedia's license permits them to use Wikipedia content as long as they provide attribution. You agree to this every time you click "publish changes", as stated under the edit window. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone fix this error

I looked up Kurt Thomas (gymnast) an it says he was married 3 times :

Rebecca Sue Jones (m 1996 - 2020), Leanne Kay Hartsgrove (m 1982 - 2020), Elizabeth Ann Osting (m 1977 - 2020)

I seriously doubt all his marriages ended in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Thomas_(gymnast) 47.140.58.180 (talk) 02:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! it doesn't seem to exist in the article, could find no mention of hartsgrove or osting at all in it. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I cannot find any evidence that those names have ever been in the Wikipedia article Kurt Thomas (gymnast). Where did you see this information? ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Th article Kurt Thomas (gymnast) mentions being married twice, no dates, only Rebecca is named. David notMD (talk) 10:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

There is an IMDb entry here for Thomas that mentions Hartsgrove and Osting as former wives. Even that source doesn't suggest these wives were current at the date of his death in 2020: the dates of their divorces are not specified. As IMDb is not a reliable source in any case, the Wikipedia article does not mention these individuals. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocked IP

My IP address didn't do a Harassment but then it had a partial block and I cannot create an account. Why does this happen? I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi I am Rjsb0192 and welcome to the teahouse! ip blocks are applied per ip address, which can affect multiple innocent people. it doesn't mean you yourself was in the wrong, and those innocent affected by an ip block can still edit wikipedia, request an account, or edit with a registered account (as you have). see WP:IPBLOCK for more. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

ping fix: @I am Rjsb0192:. 💜  melecie  talk - 04:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

But when I edit when I'm not registered, there's a warning that says :

You are not logged in. Your IP address will be publicly visible if you make any edits. If you log in or create an account, your edits will be attributed to a username, among other benefits.

That's the screen of IPs when they try to edit.

Thank you. I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 04:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@I am Rjsb0192: that's normal. you can edit without logging in, however your ip address would be visible instead of your username. do you also see this? This network has been used improperly by someone on your network. It has therefore been blocked as a precaution to prevent abuse and damage to Wikipedia. 💜  melecie  talk - 04:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ahh, I get it. You can edit without logging in but you won't have more tools and your IP address can be seen. I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@I am Rjsb0192: that is right. if you don't see any notices other than that when you try to edit, you're probably not ip-blocked. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

But I haven't seen that this network has been used improperly by someone on my network and that it has therefore been blocked as a precaution to prevent abuse and damage to Wikipedia. I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

by notices I meant the You are not logged in notice. if you see just that your ip address is probably not blocked. 💜  melecie  talk - 04:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

It has been blocked, but only partially Melecie. I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 05:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This is the screenshot of the IP block.

Here's the screenshot of the block: I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 05:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Generally, IP range blocks are used if blocks of single IP adresses are ineffective as the problematic user immedately returns with a new adress. Users in good standing can request IP-block excemption, see there for how. (Note for the future: Instead of posting a screenshot, simply copy the IP adress or range displayed. Makes things a lot easier). See also WP:Partial blocks and Help:I have been blocked. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Change a photograph

Change a photograph Beba Brook (talk) 05:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Beba Brook! Can you elaborate on what you're asking? Thanks! Bsoyka (talk) 05:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome Beba Brook. Could you specify your query? If you want to upload an image, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks. That's exactly what I wanted. Beba Brook (talk) 05:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

ARTICLE GOT REJECTED

Hello team,

My article got rejected even though its a first draft, Can you please guide me in correct direction on what needs to be done.

Let me know what sources you all needed in order to help me out. Eswar Ramisetti 2705 (talk) 07:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

What's the title of the article/draft, Eswar Ramisetti 2705? -- Hoary (talk) 09:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

From a look at the contribs, this seems to be about Draft:MINIORANGE, which they created and edited when logged-out.

Eswar Ramisetti 2705, the full guideline about sources is WP:GNG, but in 99% of the cases it means multiple full-length articles by newspaper or the specialized press. Paid-for content (such as prnewswire or businesswire) does not count, because it is not independent of the company.

If that sounds hard, it’s because it is. Even fairly major pieces of software do not have Wikipedia articles. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

A distinction: Declined is less severe than Rejected. miniOrange was Declined, with reasons given by the reviewer. David notMD (talk) 11:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Request you to Help me for my first article

Can Someone help me for Edit in my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kalamandir_Jewellers_ltd RajeshGoud007 (talk) 10:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi RajeshGoud007. Are you connected to Kalamandir Jewellers in some way? Are you, for example, someone who works for the company or has been hired by the company to create a Wikipedia article about it? If you are either of those things, please take a close look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure because those pages contain some important information that you should be aware of. As for the article, you're going to need to establish that the company meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) in order for your draft to be accepted as an article. Most of the sources currently cited as references for the draft's content aren't really the type of significant coverage in secondary reliable sources that is needed to establish Wikipedia notability for a company. You can find some more information here about the type of sources that are typically needed to establish notability for a company. No matter how well written or formatted a draft is, it will never be able to overcome a lack of notability; so, you're going to need to find significant coverage about the company in multiple reliable secondary for the draft to be accepted. Finally, there are also some issues with some images you uploaded to Commons for use in the draft. Please go to your Commons user talk page at c:User talk:RajeshGoud007 to see what they are. You might also want to take a look at c:Commons:Own work because it seems as if your misunderstanding what the term means when it comes to image copyright and Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

"Talk" Page

What exactly is the talk page for? Magik 3099 (talk) 11:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I could also use some help in "upgrading" my User page. Magik 3099 (talk) 11:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Magik 3099, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. A talk page is a page for Wikipedia editors to communicate with each other about matters to do with editing Wikipedia. If you are talking about your User talk page (which does not yet exist) it is primarily a place for other editors to put messages for you about Wikipedia and about your editing. See WP:Talk pages for more information.

As for your User page: WP:User page design centre is no longer active, but has some ideas. ColinFine (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine, how do I change the colour of my text? Magik 3099 (talk) 12:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magik 3099: (Not ColinFine, but I'll reply anyways): You can use the CSS color property, similar to this: <span style="color:#018201">Dark Green Text</span> produces Dark Green Text. See also Help:Using colours. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: thanks. Magik 3099 (talk) 12:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: How do I change my "signature"? Magik 3099 (talk) 12:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magik 3099: See WP:CUSTOMSIG. Here's a tip for finding relevant policies, procedures and guidelines, and most anything else you hear mentioned by regular editors, or come across in Wikipedia's interface. Type "WP: (an easier-to-type alias of "Wikipedia:") into the search box, followed by the word or phrase you heard. Most of the time, this will quickly locate a targeted, behind-the-scenes information/help page, or how-to guide. See more at Help:WP search protocol. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: It isn't working... Magik 3099 (talk) 14:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Someone's mucking about with the EN-GB page template

Someone has changed the Read heading on the en-gb page template to read Kencan. How can it be corrected? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Murgatroyd49, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a known problem, which has been asked about here several times. It seems to have been a mistake in saving translations on translatewiki.net. See WP:VPT#Edit tab says siesie for a discussion. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, right. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49: In the meantime, you may want to think about switching your language from en-gb to en. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, did that. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

My Submission is Declined

I am trying to create a page for a female presidential aspirant in Nigeria and upon submission, my entry has been rejected citing lack of references. Can someone help me out? Khadijah Okunnu Lamidi (talk) 12:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Khadijah Mobolanle Okunnu-Lamidi 💜  melecie  talk - 12:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Khadijah Okunnu Lamidi! firstly, you may want to read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:Conflict of interest. autobiographies are generally discouraged since it's hard to write about yourself while still remaining verifiability and neutrality.

anyway, the lack of references they are talking about is a lack of reliable sources that support your claim to notability. basically, you'll need to check the guidelines for notability (especially for people) and have that backed up by reliable sources. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:07, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Melecie, for the courtesy link. Khadijah Okunnu Lamidi, first, welcome to the Teahouse!. I think it is admirable to be a fan of an extraordinary woman as Khadijah appears to be from what you have written. There are extraordinary people in this world that have had such an impact upon our lives. Unfortunately, most of them will never have a Wikipedia article written about them. In addition to what Melecie has told you I would like to add that Wikipedia wants to know what reliable sources say about a subject (See WP:RS). As this is your first article according to the history of your user account I would suggest reading WP:YFA, as well. Writing an article that gets included is one of the most difficult tasks an editor can do here. As pointed out by Melecie, one issue with what you have written is that most of it can not be verified because there are few inline citations to a reliable source. That makes it appear to be original research. If information can not be properly verified about a living person then one may think the author must have a connection with the subject. I would suggest finding additional reliable sources, including inline citations to sources for what you have included and potentially will include and changing your username so it doesn't match the subject of the article about which you are trying to write, in in fact you are not Khadijah. I hope what we have written helps point you in the right direction. --ARoseWolf 13:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Faculty of Political Science and International Studies, University of Warsaw

Hi, I would like to discuss this case. My article about one of severe Faculties of Warsaw University is said as innotable. However the rejection for article doesn't mean that it cannot be used to improve the general article about Warsaw University. Is it acceptable to integrate these informations into the main article? These Draft is really advanced, has enormous data, just due to the consensus that parts of educational places (schools, universities) aren't notable qualitied this Draft to rejection. Thanks in advance for Your opinion. Superjurek (talk) 13:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Superjurek: There is nothing wrong in general with reusing parts of a rejected draft in another article. However, as it stands, the article is little more than a directory of current staff, which would not be acceptable per WP:TRIVIA, and a few grandiose-sounding claims which fall under WP:PEACOCK (for instance: leading to reinforcement of research activities and division into 15 robust scientific centres and 2 independent research centres - as opposed to other universities, who weakened research activities through the use of feeble and censored research centres?). If there is useful stuff, you can make a selective copy-paste. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Using a Library of Congress image

Hi! Just wanted to confirm if I could use this image from the Library of Congress in this Wikipedia article. No explicit copyright labels are provided here, and the site's legal page mentions that "You should determine for yourself whether or not an item is protected by copyright". Toofllab (talk) 13:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Toofllab one of the photo notes states: "U.S. News & World Report Magazine Photograph Collection" so there's a good chance that U. S. News & World Report holds a copyright on the photo. I am not sure how you would go about contacting the magazine to find out about the copyright status. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I found some other relevant images in the JFK Library archives which seem to be in the public domain. Can you confirm this, please? Toofllab (talk) 14:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ownership of the physical expression of a work does not constitute ownership of Copyright. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The LoC was gifted the collection (and rights) of these historic images by the magazine. The exact rights situation for this collection can be found at https://www.loc.gov/rr/print/res/078_usnw.html In short, they were made public domain when gifted and this goes for all material in that collection that was made by Staff photographers, whom are also identified in that page. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

By the link you included, it's rather more complicated than that. They turned over the rights to those photos done by their own staff photographers as works for hire. But it also says there's no easy way to know which photos in the collection fall into that category. Others in the collection could still be under copyright for the photographer or heirs. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but most images have credits, so for THOSE specific ones, you can determine if they are staff photographer, and then they are PD. "dedicated to the public all rights" (this is USGov speak for public domain). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

So the bottomline is that I should avoid the Library of Congress images, but can use the JFK Library ones? Toofllab (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's about a Library of Congress image or not a Library of Congress image. One thing I'm sure of is that the Library of Congress does NOT hold Copyright in these works. Just about any library will have materials that are under copyright; that copyright would be owned by SOMEBODY, and that somebody would not be that Library. Many libraries will have materials that are not under copyright--either because they weren't under copyright protection to begin with (US Govt. publications, for example), or because copyright has expired. With the image you asked about, the most recent question to come up was, does U.S News & World Report own copyright in the image. If they do, it doesn't matter which library you found it in. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The LoC has many images with many different copyright status'es. But YOU need to figure out which one applies for each specific photograph you want to use. Some (probably most actually) might be PD, some not and this can even differ within one and the same collection of photos which they own. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

draft article about Csákány M. György

I would like to kindly ask you to review the English translation of the Hungarian page Csákány M. György in order to let us (translation office) complete a project. In loving memory of the great obstetrician, I gathered translators to translate the article into 22 languages and publish them to his birthday, 25 April. As the translation from Hungarian (in the case of some language pairs, for example, HU-JP, HU-CHN etc.) would be very costly, I would like to use the English text as the source. Any help in the early publication of the article would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance for your reply. https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cs%C3%A1k%C3%A1ny_M._Gy%C3%B6rgy Eczopyk (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Eczopyk: You don't need permission to use the English text as a source for translation, just follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATEUS. Each Wikipedia has its own rules for what is required for an article, so having your draft approved here on EN Wiki may not help you with trying to create the article on other Wikipedias. RudolfRed (talk) 16:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Eczopyk: Hello! It seems that you (and the translators) will have a WP:COI, if not paid COI. Please read the essays I've linked, to see how to stay within the terms of service, but still contribute! Isro! (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Eczopyk. I see that the translated draft is at Draft:Csákány M. György. It may take some time for it to be reviewed, as drafts are reviewed in no particular order, and this will require a reviewer who is willing to look at the sources in Hungarian. (There is no objection to sources in another language, though English ones are preferred if they are available; but the review process requires a reviewer who can check the given sources. Wikipedia is not, in general, concerned with external deadlines.

A couple of points I note: I believe that you have followed the Hungarian convention, so "Csákány" is his family name. On English Wikipedia we normally title articles according to English sources. I suggest you include {{Western name order|Csákány M. György}}, which will display as

The native form of this personal name is Csákány M. György. This article uses Western name order when mentioning individuals.

Then the article should be named "György M. Csákány", and the first paragraph in "Career", for exampole, should say "Csákány graduated from ..." (also "Semmelweis University" should be wikilinked). You could Move the draft to Draft:György M. Csákány to avoid confusion, though this is not essential, as the accepting reviewer will give it the correct English title when they move it to article space.

Your citations are not adequate, in that they mostly only give a title and a URL. It is important to include bibliographic information such as date, author, and publisher, so that reviewers and readers can evaluate the likely reliability and relevance of a source. I recommend using citation templates such as {{cite book}}, {{cite paper}}, etc. See Citing sources. Also some of your refrences are to hu-wiki: most wikis, (including all Wikipedias) are not regarded as reliable sources, and may not be used as references. The information should be cited to reliable sources, or not included.

Finally, I cannot see anywhere where you have attributed the draft as a translation from hu:Csákány M. György. It is a licensing requirement to do so (see WP:Translation): I suggest you add attribution on Draft talk:Csákány M. György. ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Where can I report users?

What is the page where I can report users? Viewer⁷¹⁹/_Contribs! 17:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Viewer719: Hello Viewer! That would depend on what you are wanting to report the user for. Would you mind being a bit more specific as to what you are wanting to report a user for? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a web host, as his only edits have been on his sandbox and user page (both deleted per WP:SOAPBOX) Viewer⁷¹⁹/_Contribs! 17:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Viewer719: Then you would report them to WP:AIV per WP:NOTHERE. Who are you wanting to report? I'm only asking as if you make a bad faith report then you can get into some trouble. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Kisscho Games. Viewer⁷¹⁹/_Contribs! 17:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Viewer719: Ah well then in this case either WP:AIV or WP:UAA will work as their username is also a violation of the username policy as being promotional. When reporting, make sure to tell admins to check their deleted contribs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Viewer719: I see that you reported them and they've now been blocked as a spam/advertising only account. Good job! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Viewer⁷¹⁹/_Contribs! 18:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Viewer719: Welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on the nature of the report, as there are different venues established to address different types. What exactly seems to be the problem? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• Viewer719, hello and welcome to the Teahouse please I’m echoing Tenryuu as they are is very much correct, please disregard any reply (that may come) here that tells you to go to WP:AN/I. A couple of questions though, first, which editor do you want to report? Can you show the entirety of their contribs here? Or can you shows diffs that are problematic, this are in order for us to guide you correctly. Please note that WP:AN/I is only used when all other options have been exhausted else you risk opening a premature report. Celestina007 (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Celestina007: Uh.. they already answered the questions you're asking. They reported the user to AIV and the user they reported got blocked. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, when talking to me or, anyone for that matter do not start conversations with “uh”. You can state expressly that they already provided the information or just ignore altogether. Keep this in my going forward, this may come off as rude to the next editor. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok sorry.. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Human-animal communication

Can someone take a look at this page? It doesn't appear to follow the common style. It seems rather draft-like. Bray (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks just fine to me. What exactly are you concerned about?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The extra 'References' section and the lack of an introduction except there's an 'Introduction' section but not at the top. Bray (talk) 17:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

See Pyrrho's comment below. I honestly feel the "Introduction" section should just be scrapped since that's what the lead is for, it's an introduction for the article, summarizing the key points of the article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

For one thing, someone today had removed the lead and put a second References section at the top, for some reason. I reverted it. It still needs work, though. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The amount of references is not an issue at all with this article. It has 67 references which is way above average for an article. The issue is there are large swaths of information with no citations. Another issue is with the lede paragraph. A lede paragraph is not just an introduction, it is a summary of the contents of the article, very often including some key points from the article itself. The current lede doesn't provide any of that. User Jblight added the second reference section at the top and included what appears to be personal observations or drafted notes at the bottom. I'm not even sure they knew they were editing the article as they also have a sandbox draft with the same name. It would be great to get their understanding of why they added the information they did. I'm thinking it was a misunderstanding. The article needs to be rewritten as proposed. --ARoseWolf 17:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Is this fork okay?

I'm working on a Web site for a ham radio club, and I've copied and modified some content from Wikipedia. The pages with WP content are here. Are these pages compliant with the license? KJ7RRV (talk) 18:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@KJ7RRV: Hello KJ7RRV! As long as it follows all the things documented in WP:REUSE then it should be fine. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Thank you! The only one I'm not sure about is indicating changes. One of the pages is https://pbarcwiki.kj7rrv.com/wiki/R-S_Signal_Report, and they all have the same format of copyright notice; does that indicate changes properly? --KJ7RRV (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@KJ7RRV: I don't know. I'm unable to view the pages you linked for technical reasons. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh okay. Here's the copyright section:

This page is based on the Wikipedia article "R-S-T system" as it appeared on 5 July 2021.

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Copyright © 2003-2021 Wikipedia contributors. See the edit history of "R-S-T system" on Wikipedia up to and including 5 July 2021

Copyright © 2022 PBARC Wiki contributors. See the edit history of this page.

This page is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA) 4.0 International. Original content from Wikipedia is under CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported.

There are links in several places ("the Wikipedia...2021", "edit history...2021", "edit history...this page" and "Creative Commons...International", but they didn't copy over. --KJ7RRV (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@KJ7RRV: I think that should be fine. However I'm not an expert on copyright and content copied from Wikipedia so I'm not sure. I would wait for someone who understands Wikipedia's copyright policy better to respond. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Okay, thank you. I'll wait. --172.58.35.46 (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Preferences

Hi, im new to wikipedia, is how do i get to preferences? Andrew Reissig (talk) 23:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

nevermind Andrew Reissig (talk) 23:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)