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Batman Forever was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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November 11, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
November 18, 2007	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
December 12, 2008	Good topic candidate	Not promoted
December 6, 2020	Good article reassessment	Delisted
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Gotham City article info

There's a fair amount of information at Gotham City which is not reflected here in this article. Would someone please bring over anythign that can be used, and delete anything which you can refute based on the research and info here? I don't want to randomly throw in facts from there to here and significantly throw off all the work that got this a GA, but there's abotu zero apparent overlap between the two articles. ThuranX (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Box office grosses

It says in this article that Batman Forever is the 4th highest grossing Batman film to date. Under the Batman Returns article, it says that Batman Returns is the 4th highest grossing Batman film to date. Which is it?Vesus (talk) 03:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Vesus as of 2008, Batman Forever is currently the fourth highest grossing Batman film to date. Remember The Dark Knight, and it knocked down Batman Returns from the fourth to the fifth. See below.

list of the highest grossing Batman films as of 2007 1. Batman (1989) 2. Batman Begins (2005) 3. Batman Forever (1995) 4. Batman Returns (1992) 5. Batman and Robin (1997) 6. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1994)

list of the highest grossing Batman films as of 2008 1. The Dark Knight (2008) 2. Batman (1989) 3. Batman Begins (2005) 4. Batman Forever (1995) 5. Batman Returns (1992) 6. Batman and Robin (1997) 7. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1994) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christianster45 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

year in film links

I've just done a date audit and discovered that the monobook script is suddenly removing such links. I've checked with the programmer. In fact, I think WikiProject film might already deprecate such links. Please let me know if you want me to revert (or are reverting yourselves—feedback would be good). Tony (talk) 03:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say have the links in there. Considering this is a '95 film, 1995 in film is a better link than simply 1995. Plus, and this is just me, I'm sometimes curious what other films came out that year and the link is a nice thing to have. Anakinjmt (talk) 04:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "original cut"

I appreciate the info, but we seriously need to find some other way to summarize this whole thing. Any suggestions? Wildroot (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Summarizing might be good, but surely we would lose information in doing that? The list I posted is not the complete list, just the most important changes.JesusFreak89 (talk) 06:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)JesusFreak89[reply]

Sugar and Spice fate

The Movie is ambiguous as to the fate of Sugar and Spice-it only shows them running away on stairs under the platform after Nigma's carrier beam is destroyed. Was it planned that way in the original script? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.126.88 (talk) 17:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Filming location

Weren't the external scenes of "Wayne Mansion" shot at Webb Institute in Glen Cove, NY? The Wikipedia entries for other Batman movies include information about where they were filmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webb_Institute 96.255.105.148 (talk) 02:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Dane[reply]

Critical reaction Section

It would appear that someone has been trolling there.

218.186.18.233 (talk) 12:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How is 77 percent more balanced than 44 percent?

Reused footage?

After Bruce takes Dick into his home, he has a flashback to the murder of his parents. Is that footage reused from an earlier movie (maybe an alternate angle?), or is it new? Allen (talk) 22:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References to use

Staff (November 24, 1993). "Robin Williams Studies". Sun-Sentinel.
Busch, Anita M (May 1, 1995). "Dark Knight Becomes 'Bat' Lite". Variety.
Staff (December 15, 1997). "Rental champs: Rate of return". Variety.

Wildroot (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Keaton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-keaton-batman_us_586ca422e4b0eb58648b33d9

Majinsnake (talk) 03:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Majinsnake: Did you have any comment or recommendation other than a random URL? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:59, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The url is not random as it talks about Michael Keaton walking away from the Batman Franchise to his reason not being in Batman Forever. You should read the information in the url. It appears the information has been updated on the Batman Forever page by someone. Majinsnake (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Finger Creator Credit

I've added Bill Finger to the infobox under the "based on" section along with Bob Kane. As I've stated on the other Batman film pages, Finger is now an acknowledged co-creator of Batman. I think it's important to add this to each page since it keeps the pages as factual as possible - without this note in the infobox there is little or no reference to Finger as the co-creator, while some mention of Kane's contribution is still present. I've noted that Finger's contribution was uncredited at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendly Lobotomy (talk • contribs) 19:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Psychiatry/psychology

Throughout the article Meridian is referred to alternately as a 'psychologist' and 'psychiatrist'. These are two distinct things - but I can't find a definitive source on it outside .fandom wikis (which are similarly inconsistent). ADEps (talk) 15:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have corrected the instance of "psychiatrist" to "psychologist" because the latter appears much more often in this article and in other material. ADEps (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schumacher

Vulture.com interviewed Joel Schumacher. He comments about Kilmer "I said he was pyschotic", and says that Tommy Lee Jones was difficult but always delivered good takes. He says "I shouldn't have made a sequel" and explains his reasoning, and also makes his opinions clear "Nor do I ever think Batman and Robin are gay."

It's a long interview which covers many topics including Batman but there's probably some of that interview that could be referenced in this article. -- 109.76.195.16 (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this article is a mess

Horrible language throughout. Anyone care to clean it up? My suggestions and edits tend to get revertedRobbmonster (talk) 08:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Robbmonster: See Talk:Batman Forever/GA1. Dark knight 2149 02:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of a Good Article reassessment. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:GAR. No further edits should be made to this page.

This has been open for around three weeks, with multiple top editors and at least two Wikiprojects tagged. Unfortunately, no one has made an effort to address these concerns or improve the article to an extent that would lead to it passing a GA review. Closing as Demoted. Dark knight 2149 00:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Batman Forever/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

The article first passed a GA review back in 2007, but now bares only a modest resemblance to that version of the article. Right now, the article has substantial cruft issues, citing issues, and unaddressed section templeting (these problems have actually existed for years with a trivial list of deleted scenes only just recently having been removed). I considered reverting this back to the 2007 revision, but looking over it, I'm not convinced it would pass modern GA criteria. The plot synopsis and bolded cast list doesn't even pass the current manual of style. Dark knight 2149 02:38, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As a courtesy, and going from the page statistics, tagging the article's top editors: @Wx5uuh, TMC1982, SheriffIsInTown, Wildroot, CovenantD, Filmcritik, JesusFreak89, J Greb, Sjones23, -5-, NeoBatfreak, and Gothicfilm: Other pertinent editors include the original GA reviewer Evildeadbuzz, the original GA reassessor from 2007 Erik, and active participants Anakinjmt and Bignole. Dark knight 2149 19:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkknight2149: Unfortunately, Wx5uuh and Filmcritik are long gone at this point. I've already notified the WP:FILM project as well as the Batman and Comic book film task forces about the reassessment. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

Deleted scenes

An anonymous editor added a long list of deleted scenes to the article.[1] This was reverted.

It is an interesting list but was not well sourced, and it made that section disproportionately long. It might be worthwhile to reorganize and reinclude some of those details in other ways. For example, rather than focusing on the deleted scenes it could be mentioned that Rene Auberjonois originally had a larger role, or expanding the background of other characters. Maybe more could be written about the script development. This article does not mention the film novelization, or the comic adaptation, both of which include various deleted scenes, so again there may be other ways to add more details and improve this article, other than making Deleted scenes section extremely long. -- 109.79.72.89 (talk) 09:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of these sequences are probably all related to the Schumacher cut of the movie, which was confirmed to exist in the summer, by Varity afer Schumacher'S death. So these could be mentioned in relation to those. But far as i'm conerned if the Joel Schumacher perfered the darker Schumacher Cut then Warner should release that cut to the public so we can see the diffrences between that cut and the theatrical cut. I personally think there is no need for a special/extended/director's cut if the original theatrical cut is the cut that the director prefers. So Warner should at minimum try to figure out which of the cut Joel Schumacher prefered and go form there me thinks DoctorHver (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awards verification/other GAN stuff

I'd like to see this get back to GA status. But I tried to provide more citations for the awards section and it seemed nigh-impossible to cite anything that's not IMDB (IMDB seems to be the only place that keeps track of these awards). Anyone know a better way of verifying these things? Also checked the FILM MOS and was unsure how the plot summary/cast list didn't follow its instructions. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep looking. Here is an announcement of the 1996 MTV Movie Awards nominations [2] There are references in the article 53rd Golden Globe Awards, I'd be very surprised if none of those could be reused. It takes some digging but IMDB gets most of its information from press releases in the first place. -- 109.76.202.85 (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]