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That's So Raven 2
Is it really a spin-off? Never was it mentioned to be a spin off by any reliable sources. They all say it's a sequel. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 05:21, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Edit by Andrew Kaito: Raven's Home, a new TSR spinoff will air July 21, 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.128.188.209 (talk) 09:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Deep Situations
Overview currently states "... when in deep situations." I'm not a native speaker. What does that mean? Can you replace it with something more intelligible for a large audience? Thanks.--95.222.168.66 (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article That's So Raven in which you've been a major contributor, and has been nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. — Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 20:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC) |
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GA Review
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
The prose and text seems to be cluttered with unecessary inline citations. These inline citations are repeated in the paragraph even when it is the same source over and over again repeated. This makes it hard to read and interferes with the "flow" of the article. Some examples are: [1], [2], and [3]. Although not a official guideline, nor nessecary for GA status, I would suggest reading WP:REPCITE. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Seems to comply with lead section and words to watch . For example, in the lead section it states that That's So Raven ["enjoyed high viewership"], which could be interpreted as a weasel word, but is supported by evidence in the article and thus complies with words to watch. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | All citations comply. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Citations are from reliable sources, however seems very overused. For example, reference [[4]]was used 33 times. Whether this was because of repetitive inline citations (as discussed above), or not, if the prose information is being relied on only that source, that is going to be problematic (although it is most likely because of repetitive inline citations). [isn't the only source that is overused]. Please either eliminate unnessecary inline citations, or get more sources (in case you are using only those 2 sources as supporting evidence). | |
2c. it contains no original research. | None seen. | |
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | None seen. | |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Yes and is comprehensive enough. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | And gives enough coverage of negative aspects. | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | Seems stable and dosen't seem there is any problems on the talk page. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Rationales and terms are provided. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Relevant, as it has the logo for the article and a depiction of their caracters, and captions are mostly explanative and relevant. | |
7. Overall assessment. | Since the problems listed above seems minor enough to be but on hold, i've changed my mind and has decided to put this on hold. :) |
Response
- Hi @I'ma editor2022: Could you please clarify your 2b box, I feel like the link is missing. I am happy to make these changes to fix the article. SatDis (talk) 07:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- @SatDis:
- Sorry, I'm not sure what happened. I fixed it though. Please read it now. :) — Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 22:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- @I'ma editor2022: I have removed much of the unnecessary inline citations. For example, I have reduced the use of references [1] and [4] as requested. Please let me know if I have missed any overused sources, or if there are any further changes that need to be made. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- @SatDis: Thank you for your edits and fixing it! I will pass this for GA status! :} —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (Please talk to me:) — (See my work!) 01:30, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- @I'ma editor2022: I have removed much of the unnecessary inline citations. For example, I have reduced the use of references [1] and [4] as requested. Please let me know if I have missed any overused sources, or if there are any further changes that need to be made. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise included dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, fragrance, video games, and a clothing line?Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263- ALT1:
... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise sold dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, perfume, video games, and a clothing line?Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263 - ALT2:
... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise sold dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, fragrance, video games, and a clothing line?Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263 - Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: I prefer the ALT1 hook, however you can pick the best one.
- ALT1:
Improved to Good Article status by SatDis (talk). Nominated by I'ma editor2022 (talk) at 15:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
- Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. I’m not sure why you made three hooks that say almost the exact thing instead of offering three different ones. They all look acceptable to me. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 23:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that That's So Raven was the first time an original Disney Channel series would exceed 3 seasons, the first to reach 100 episodes for syndication, and was called the "most succesful series"? Source text: "The announcement marked the first time an original Disney Channel series would surpass three seasons and the first to reach the milestone of 100 episodes for syndication....Ross called the program the network's 'most successful series'." Source: https://archive.ph/yd5UE and https://archive.ph/kIPCN .
- ALT4: ... that That's So Raven was the first time an original Disney Channel series would exceed 3 seasons and the first to reach 100 episodes for syndication? Source text: "The announcement marked the first time an original Disney Channel series would surpass three seasons and the first to reach the milestone of 100 episodes for syndication." Source: https://archive.ph/yd5UE and https://archive.ph/kIPCN .
Improved to Good Article status by SatDis (talk). Nominated by I'ma editor2022 (talk) at 15:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC). <!-
- Uh... I need to find a way to say this gently... HOW ARE THE HOOKS INTERESTING? Hey, I didn't say I found one. Um, so, yeah. What is interesting about a franchise selling all this stuff? Almost every single franchise would do this... I'm sure there are plenty of other hooks that can be supplied, given the article's length. OK, I'm gonna check back in the morning. Bye! Pamzeis (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. The hooks aren’t very interesting or unique to this program. Thriley (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: @Thriley: OK, after looking over the article, I think both of you are right, so I found a more "interesting" one. Would you like me too change it? —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 23:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. Just enter it below my comment. Thriley (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022? Pamzeis (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: and @Thriley: Sorry for not responding to both your comments. It appears that I ddin't get a notification when you responded, and I've been quite busy, so you may want to ping me when responding. But ok, i'll put in the new hook today. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 20:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley:: Would you approve of the DYK?
- @Pamzeis: and @Thriley: Sorry for not responding to both your comments. It appears that I ddin't get a notification when you responded, and I've been quite busy, so you may want to ping me when responding. But ok, i'll put in the new hook today. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 20:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022? Pamzeis (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. Just enter it below my comment. Thriley (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: @Thriley: OK, after looking over the article, I think both of you are right, so I found a more "interesting" one. Would you like me too change it? —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 23:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. The hooks aren’t very interesting or unique to this program. Thriley (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Uh... I need to find a way to say this gently... HOW ARE THE HOOKS INTERESTING? Hey, I didn't say I found one. Um, so, yeah. What is interesting about a franchise selling all this stuff? Almost every single franchise would do this... I'm sure there are plenty of other hooks that can be supplied, given the article's length. OK, I'm gonna check back in the morning. Bye! Pamzeis (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @I'ma editor2022: New hooks with a different hook fact (i.e. not about merch) are still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I did add another hook. For clarification (because it probably looks messy), here is the new text.
- Yeah, but they obviously all refer to the same stuff, there's no real difference between "fragrance" and "perfume" or to say that the franchise "sold" xyz and that its merchandise "included" xyz. We're looking for a new hook altogether, i.e. one that doesn't involve merch (and as I'm typing this I realise Naruto has basically said the same thing, so this thread is probably a metaphor for the hooks......) ALTs are supposed to point to substantially different facts from the article, I think. Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I did add another hook. For clarification (because it probably looks messy), here is the new text.
- Since the nomination has been stuck for a while and no new hooks about other facts have been proposed, I'm taking a stab at suggesting a few new ones:
- ALT5: ... that Raven-Symoné originally played the best friend in the pilot for That's So Raven, but the series was re-tooled to star her following positive reception from test audiences and producers?
- ALT6: ... that when Raven-Symoné played the lead role in the series That's So Raven, she was reported to be Disney's first female African American star?
- ALT7: ... that Raven-Symoné, who played the lead role in the series That's So Raven, became a producer for its fourth season at the age of 19?
- There's probably more hook ideas in the article (and I think there could be a better way to reword ALT4), but after a quick look at the article, these caught my attention. Courtesy ping to reviewers/commenters @Thriley, Pamzeis, and Kingoflettuce: and nominator I'ma editor2022. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: @Narutolovehinata5: @Thriley: @Pamzeis:: It seems like I may have made an mistake. I incorrectly labeled them as Alt 3 and Alt 4, as it appears. I have now labelled the actual new DYK. If there appears to be a problem whith the new one pls let me know! I'm also sorry for the confusion! —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 14:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022, I've removed your old and new headers, since they completely confuse things on the main nominations page, where this is transcluded, and also made things confusing here. We like to keep all hooks (and their original labels) for historical purposes. I've restored the original ALT3 and ALT4 labels to your new hooks, and renumbered Narutolovehinata5's hooks from ALT4 through ALT6 to ALT5 through ALT7, since you'd already created an ALT4 and it would be confusing to have two different hooks with that label. I did strike the original three hooks to reflect that they're no longer under consideration. Hopefully, one of the reviewers will soon return to check on the five new hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:: Sorry for the headers, I forgot that this page was transcluded to other pages, and thank you for crossing the "old" DYK hooks and restructuring the alternative hooks. — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 19:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Probably Alt 7 for me, but I'll let the original reviewer decide, I was just passing by. Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:: Sorry for the headers, I forgot that this page was transcluded to other pages, and thank you for crossing the "old" DYK hooks and restructuring the alternative hooks. — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 19:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022, I've removed your old and new headers, since they completely confuse things on the main nominations page, where this is transcluded, and also made things confusing here. We like to keep all hooks (and their original labels) for historical purposes. I've restored the original ALT3 and ALT4 labels to your new hooks, and renumbered Narutolovehinata5's hooks from ALT4 through ALT6 to ALT5 through ALT7, since you'd already created an ALT4 and it would be confusing to have two different hooks with that label. I did strike the original three hooks to reflect that they're no longer under consideration. Hopefully, one of the reviewers will soon return to check on the five new hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: @Narutolovehinata5: @Thriley: @Pamzeis:: It seems like I may have made an mistake. I incorrectly labeled them as Alt 3 and Alt 4, as it appears. I have now labelled the actual new DYK. If there appears to be a problem whith the new one pls let me know! I'm also sorry for the confusion! —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 14:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I think ALT 5,6, and 7 look good. Good work everyone! Thriley (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
ALT7 to T:DYK/P2