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Notability

Is this really notable enough for its own article? 73.252.158.66 (talk) 12:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been a top news story around the world for the last 24 hours, and touches on several different issues. Why isn't it notable? 331dot (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not standalone notable, and is adequately covered in the Awards article. Begone! WWGB (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. There are many reported details here that would overwhelm the article about the Oscars themselves. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be a little too soon to have a standalone article, but I think it'll probably meet the requirements once the news begins to die down. It's certain to go down in history as one of the wildest moments in Academy history and has basically overshadowed everything else about this year's ceremony. JOE BRO 64 14:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think this does not meet WP:NOTNEWS at the moment. If there's sustained coverage afterward, it might be notable as a standalone article, but I don't think the page meets the threshold right now. Just about everything in this article is already either in the 94th Academy Awards page, is background, or are quotations. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is notable, and is worthy of its own Wikipedia page. Skcin7 (talk) 06:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One - I think it's definitely notable. Two - If this were added to the "regular" Oscars article (94th Annual), it would clearly overwhelm the entire article. Hence, the need for a stand-alone. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For me I don’t think this should have its own article. Is just something people are making a big deal out of and since the VMA incident doesn’t have its own article I don’t think this one should either. At the most, maybe have its own section on the 94th Academy Awards page. Eg224 (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page title

Separate to the notability issue: Is this the best title for the page? "Altercation" very much seems to be downplaying the nature of Will Smith's actions. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. "Assault" is better. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pleased the name was changed. Just thought I'd mention that this issue was brought up on Talk:94th Academy Awards, and editors seemed to think that we couldn't call this an "assault", as per WP:NPOV and WP:BLP, because nobody has pressed charges. Personally, I don't think that's true, as we are not saying he was charged with assault in the title, but I wonder what other editors who are more versed in Wikipedia policy think of this. QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a legal analysis of whether or not an "assault" -- and/or a "battery" -- occurred between Smith and Rock at the Oscars ceremony: Slapping Chris Rock Could Cost Will Smith More Than His Oscar. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Assault" is definitely not in the common name, as almost no news or media headlines are referring to it as such. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Assault" is also a legal term so we probably can't say there was an assault unless Smith is convicted of assault(which he won't be as Rock is not pressing charges). 331dot (talk) 19:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Altercation" by definition is the wrong word as it implies that Rock was actively involved. "Attack" is a more general form which does not imply the Rock and Smith were fighting together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.54.227.235 (talk) 20:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rock was involved, he instigated it. 331dot (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I always understood altercation to mean a simultaneous engagement, usually a verbal one. So it drew my attention as the wrong word for it. _signed,Willondon (talk) 22:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the common name seems to use the term "slap". ––FormalDude talk 21:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Slap does seem to be the most used term, but I'm not sure exactly how to word that in the title. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Face spanking? No. Probably not. _signed,Willondon (talk) 00:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will Smith slapping incident? Feoffer (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Will Smith Oscars slap? Or Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars slap? ––FormalDude talk 02:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Altercation" is absolutely the wrong word, assault is better. Slap might be better still. We also could just do "Will Smith and the 94th Academy Awards", as his behavior after the slap is also part of the scope. Feoffer (talk) 00:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We already explained why assault is not an appropriate term for us to be using. I think it would be weird to not include Chris Rock in the title. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars? ––FormalDude talk 02:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Assault nor Altercation are COMMON and both present BLP problems; I like all of FormalDude's 'slap' suggestions -- do you have one you like best, JDDJS? Feoffer (talk) 07:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I too like something with "slap" in it, personally either Will Smith Oscars slap or Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars slap look best of the one presented so far, but if someone comes up with something better I'd support that too. (Also, agreed that we obviously cannot use "assault", as we would be implying he has committed a crime.) Endwise (talk) 08:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The best words to use would be either "incident" or "slap". Something like "2022 Oscars incident" or the suggestions Endwise made above also work. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 08:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"2022 Oscars Will Smith-Chris Rock slapping incident" sounds closest to COMMONNAME to me. 82.15.196.46 (talk) 09:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Political aspects

I think the political section on this ought to be removed. A lot of primary (MTG and Shapiro tweets, for example) and unreliable sources (see WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS, among others). Seems to be a case of needless point-scoring here. - - QueenofBithynia (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]