Talk:Saint Valentine

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"Apparently, Claudius had outlawed marriage in Rome due to the fact that he perceived families as weakening his army. Saint Valentine, however, refused to obey this edict and continued practicing marriage ceremonies. Eventually, Claudius found out about this and had him imprisoned...."

If a source could be found for this fantasy, it could go right into the article. As it is, it's nonsense. --Wetman 07:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that this information should be excluded, but it should be properly identified as being apocryphal. (I've heard this myth, as well as a few others). It is factual that there are numerous legends about St Valentine, and it is quite proper to detail the existence of this mythology (while maintaining its total lack of factual basis). Manning 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We don't ordinarily ever "hear" rumors about Roman history (and pop them right into Wikipedia): we read them. Once this silly bit has been sourced, then the silliness is not Wikipedia's silliness and there's no problem. --Wetman 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think St. Valentine "murdered thousands of Jews." Perhaps that part should be removed or at least citations should be provided. 74.166.108.247 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WE KNOW HIS BIRTHPLACE

The article shows some mystakes, especially about the Irish and French relics. Where are the sources?

The sponsio, the marriage or ius conubii, and the conventius in manus, meaning confarreatio and coemptio, were never prohibited. Also, it is a mistake the following sentence: "His birth date and birthplace are unknown."

If we consider the most reliable sources of Vaticano,, we have that Saint Valentine was a Roman citizen born in Terni, Umbria (Italy) in 175 AD and was killed in the year 273 by another Roman, Placidus Furius, who obeyd his emperor Aurelius (aka Aurelianus) because the religious Valentine had practiced a Christian marriage between a pagan soldier of Rome, Sabinus, and a young Christian, Serapias. You can also read Professor Valentina Nonnoi's writing on "il Sardegna" #38-IV, feb 8 2007.

Saint Valentine is really existed, we know his birth and birthplace, and his true relics can be only found in two different regions of Italy, Sardinia and Umbria. Other relics are fake or not recognized by Vaticano.

The legend about the lovers started during the Middle Ages and even later in France and England, but it has nothing to do with the true story of this Roman Saint, whose birthplace is well known. P.S. Terni once belonged to Rome.

Please, about Terni and Saint Valentine read the webpages: http://www.bellaumbria.net/Terni/San_Valentino.htm http://www.umbriaearte.it/spiritualita.htm --Jack 16:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The most reliable sources of Vaticano" might be double-checked at Catholic Encyclopedia, for a start. Asserting the legend only makes it so in hagiography. --Wetman 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]