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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Iskongbayan (talk | contribs) at 08:54, 15 February 2007. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This article was edited to make it more accurate and encyclopedic. Varsha Daswani 02:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The entry of Victory Christian Fellowship was reverted back to changes made on January 31, 2007, including an explanation of the connection between Victory Christian Fellowship and Maranatha Campus Ministries, with two third party sources.

Should you wish to discuss how to further improve the entry, please post your comments on this talk page rather than reverting the whole entry without including verifiable third party sources.

The external links to Maranatha were also removed for the following reasons:

  1. The Maranatha-Every Nation Timeline is not verifiable or a credible third party source. It is an anonymous blog.
  2. The Rick Ross Archive on Maranatha is irrelevant to the Victory Christian Fellowship entry on Wikipedia.
  3. Maranatha Exposed: A Blog of a Former Member is an anonymous blog and is therefore not verifiable or credible.
  4. Cults on Campus: Maranatha in the News is irrelevant to the Victory Christian Fellowship entry as well.

Since Wikipedia is a community, we hope we can use the talk page in reaching a concensus to create a great encyclopedic article.Varsha Daswani 04:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the revert was your wholesale deletion of the fact that the inital outreach was a Maranatha outreach. And this 2 nd revert is because your rewrite is much like a VCF broichure and not encyclopedic at all.Osakadan 15:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Osakadan seems to be vandalizing the Victory Christian Fellowship entry by inputting information not relevant to the page. None of his entries improve on the article. It also slants the topic towards Every Nation, not focus it on Victory Christian Fellowship. Please cite more reliable third-party verifiable sources before making other edits to this entry. Please also discuss your changes on this page. Iskongbayan 09:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not vandalization by any means. VCF was a major part Of Maranatha, and Maranatha was indeed controversial. Ever since I first included Maranatha in the page, VCF began deleting the reference as they try to downplay it.

VCF is also a major part of Every Nation and no discussion on VCF is complete with discussion about Every Nation. In fact, the head of VCF is a major player in Every Nation.

Perhaps you should call for mediation or list specific passages here that seem biased here and we can work on a compromise together.Osakadan 10:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Victory Christian Fellowship was definitely a part of Maranatha, which is why it is included in the revision I have made on this entry. However, Maranatha was dissolved in 1989, and Victory Christian Fellowship exists independent of that. The entry of Victory links to Maranatha, which is relevant, but the other information, links, and references are irrelevant to the page.

Victory Christian Fellowship is a member of Every Nation, which is why the connection is explained in this revision. However, the entry of Victory should talk about Victory specifically, not go in detail about Every Nation--which should be done on the Every Nation page. The Victory entry should give the reader an encyclopedic, reliable, verifiable, neutral, and objective view of what Victory Christian Fellowship is.

The anonymous, unverifiable, and dubious links have also been removed once again. Include in this page information relevant to Victory Christian Fellowship, and let other information on Every Nation or Maranatha be in their own pages.

I hope we can achieve a concensus for this entry as well.Varsha Daswani 13:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the references to Maranatha and EN are minor. As they are such a large part of the history of VCF, they certainly warrant more than having their names mentioned in the article?

In 1984, Steve Murrell, Rice Broocks and their team of sixty-five students went to Manila for one month of outreach and evangelism. The initial outreach led to a congregation of 150 primarily college students, with expansion to more sites in Manila, and around the country.[3] This was under the auspices of the controversial group, Maranatha Campus Ministries (MCM). Under the leadership of Bob Weiner, MCM's mission was to bring students to know Christ, training a new generation of leaders. Such were their tactics that they were banned from a number of university campuses across the world. [4][5]

What are your objections to this paragraph? It is fact that Maranatha were controversial. It is fact they were banned from at least 3 university campuses. VCF cannot simple disavow their association to these controversies.Osakadan 13:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Osakadan, you're saying that Maranatha is a large part of Victory Christian Fellowship. What's your proof for this? I'm new on wikipedia, but I think you're violating some of the pillars and content policies of Wikipedia. No original research is one such policy. Please cite credible sources to your contributions to this page. I saw on your talk page that the Victory Christian Fellowship entry is not the only one you have been trying to slant. You seem to have an agenda against Every Nation, or maybe against Victory Christian Fellowship. Please explain why this is. Your entries reflect a bias, which goes against Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Thank you. Hoping to hear from you on this. Iskongbayan 08:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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