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Controversies

Why is "Relations with Donald Trump" listed under controversies? I don't see how working with a western leader and Israelis towards peace in the middle east is controversial. So much for wikipedias "political neutrality". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:146F:F400:2C92:40D0:DDF2:938F (talk) 21:21, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"In August 2016, Donald Trump Jr. had a meeting with an envoy representing Mohammed bin Salman and Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi. The envoy offered help to the Trump presidential campaign"- helping a presidential campaign of a foreign candidate sounds controversial... — Preceding unsigned comment added by SharpieDS95 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wife and family.

@Векочел: What you doing and why is difficult to discern, when you don't write edit summaries. And please before reverting take it to this talk section. Ip says: Work Better yes. (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Naming convention

Why is he being referred to as "bin Salman". "Salman" is his father's name in Arabic naming conventions. "Bin Salman" is not his surname, "Bin" simply means "son of..."

Can it be edited to just "Mohammed"?

Fallacious, Low-Quality Article

Reading this article, I get the impression that it is written by activists instead of actual writers.

Bin Salman rules an authoritarian regime, there are no democratic institutions in Saudi Arabia, and elements of repression are still evident. Human rights activists, women's rights activists, journalists, former insiders, and dissidents are systematically repressed through tactics including torture, jailing, and killings, and bin Salman is said to use a group of assassins known as the Tiger Squad to carry out extrajudicial killings.

The article uses a guilt-by-association tactic. It mostly talks about what Saudi Arabia is like instead of what the Prince is like. This would have been better organized in the Saudi Arabia article instead, unless the article has definitive evidence that widespread systematic repression is a policy of the Prince, and not the ruling monarch. What's funny is that this kind of language used is not as present in King Salman's article, despite his status as the supreme ruler.

It also pushes a claim that he is personally linked to a group of assassins, which would be fine if it weren't in the top paragraph of the article where facts are to be expected, not allegations.

There is also a conflict of interest where there are parts in the article where it explicitly describes the Prince as populist and economically and socially liberal and that he introduced liberal reforms to his country, while in other parts some editors wrote allegations associating this man to widespread repression in Saudi Arabia which is the exact opposite of what was just described.

This article needs some serious reforms if Wikipedia wants to present itself in an objective manner. Bryanscion (talk) 17:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I find there's an effort to wedge whatever negative political content about Saudi Arabia we can think of in this article and as a result we now have a fallacious article. The "controversy" section, which is mainly based on recent geopolitical events, is literally larger than the rest of the article. Certainly fails WP:BLP and WP:NPOV in my opinion. Gorebath (talk) 04:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanscion: The idea is that the ruler sets the climate of the country that he rules, and if X conditions are in the country, those conditions would be attributable to him. Now there is a way to deal with this "guilt-by-association tactic": if published, reliable sources link the conditions to MBS himself, then cite the journalists who link them and cite their linkages and justifications for how this has to do with MBS himself. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source Provided Does not Support Claim

The source provided for the following statement does not contain the information reported and should either be deleted or properly sourced. "In 2021, bin Salman signed a military cooperation agreement with Russia.[79]" The source referenced as citation #79 does not contain any reference to MBS signing a deal with the Russians [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:102:5800:70BB:C242:2E5D:AF9A (talk) 17:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hamdannabbas (talk) 05:35, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabian politician - Israeli politician

Israeli politician Hamdannabbas (talk) 05:35, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:46, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

الله

إسرائيل تقاتل بدون حق في الأراضي الفلسطينية. منازلهم تعرف لنا على أنها مخادعة. لقد أداروا ظهورهم إلى الله منذ إبراهيم. في كتب يسوع وإرميا وحزقيال ، كُتبت خطاياهم بكلمات كاملة. هم أمة زانية بدون الله ولا إلهنا في قلوبهم. إلهنا يريدهم أن يُستعمَروا ويُجلدوا. 62.214.191.67 (talk) 04:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]