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There is plenty of extra information on this page that needs to be removed. However it is ridiculous to delete it wholesale. I have restored this page. Delphinium1 (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Graham87 You can't simply delete information on an article because it doesn't suit your interests. I never argued that the full form of the article has too much information, but I have deleted the majority of the excess info. I would like to reach a compromise with you. Delphinium1 (talk) 14:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To quote from WP:NOT: "Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." The article as it stands already has a remarkable amount of information for "a small, rural public school district". Adding additional huge walls of text based on primary sources seems completely unnecessary. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The bit about the teacher's strike looks interesting and it got some local coverage. I personally wouldn't be opposed to adding that back in, along with anything else of general interest along those lines, but it's hard to pick through all the trivia to find the nuggets of gold. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah strikes seem to be pretty common in that state so they seem too run-of-the-mill to me. As I was going to say before the previous messages were added, the extra information in your revision is largely extremely out-of-date and requires constant maintenance to keep it up-to-date. It also doesn't say anything that can't apply to just about any school district across the state or country (e.g. many school districts have wellness policies, many school districts in Pennsylvania collect taxes, etc.) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not attempt to replace websites like that of the Pennsylvania Department of Education; most importantly, it is not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a news site. Also see my comments here; Delphinium, I'd be curious to know about your relationship (if any) with this school district. Graham8715:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I live in the area but have no specific relationship. I was working to fix local PA school district pages without doing wholesale deletions. I saw no specific urgency until you began wholesale deletions. Teacher strikes are common in PA in part because there are 500 school districts. It is notable that a school had a strike. In my opinion, the nuggets of gold outweigh the value of having a streamlined article. I can work to streamline the article more, but not if you insist on battling my every edit. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. As you're not an established editor and have had your article about this subject redirected, I (and most other editors) would give your opinions about what is and is not notable very little weight here. Wikipedia is primarily written for a global audience. Graham8715:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So what do you suggest? Neuter every PA school district article to the point that the article is absolutely useless to people interested in learning about the district? Other people have commented here and see value in aspects of the article. I don't have the experience you do, but respectfully I ask that if you are going to delete information that you go through and keep the valuable and appropriate info. Delphinium1 (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is exactly what Graham87 did. You two simply have different opinions on which info is valuable/appropriate, and this talk page is where to hash such things out. Delphinium1, I might be willing to support restoring some of the deleted information, but I don't have time to sort through it all. Can you post here the secondary sources you used - I know I saw a few newspaper articles - so I can take a look at them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I'm not entirely sure what you are asking for. There are many secondary sources listed on the page version I made. Here are a few examples, but I would look at the sources on the history page.
It wasn't redirected. Concern was raised over the significance so I created an article to include the scope of the entire United States. This is because I am open to feedback and agreed that my original article would be better if expanded in scope. I made this in an effort to preserve some of the information that is on PA school district wiki pages in a more wiki-friendly format without having extraneous information on the district page itself. Delphinium1 (talk) 18:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Graham Thank you for adding the strike section back... respectfully, there are other references in the article related to the strike. Additionally, the strike was just one example of a "gold nugget" of information in the article. I'm willing to fix this article but am extremely frustrated that you won't let me. I hesitate to make any further edits and further an edit war. Can we please work together rather than in as adversaries? Delphinium1 (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) re Strikes in Pennsylvania article: Ah yes, I notice now; I redirected it to the US article. I've decided to put the sentences about the strike back in the history section, after a message on my talk page by Nightenbelle. This prompted me to check out Category:Education labor disputes in the United States. In that category I found an entry for 2007 Quincy teacher strike ... which was a redirect that led to an article that didn't even mention any strike, not because of any deletion by established users, but because of an edit by 24.218.131.66 on 13 February 2018 (their other edits on that date prove that they were only there to create mischief). To fix the redirect, I restored the strike information there, so I thought ... why not here? So it's back in the history section, even if it's not the longest/most notable strike by Pennsylvania standards as seen in this section. Re other gold nuggets: you can let me know what you think they are, but I'd be very wary of putting much more info back without precedents for it being included in other similar articles outside Pennsylvania. I also can't imagine what more there would be to say about the 2016 strike that would really be appropriate in an article like this. Graham8719:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Graham Absolutely ridiculous you won't even let me edit the article myself and I have to "let me know what you think they are" for anything of importance. I've edited wiki in good faith for a number of years off and on (older than my account history as prior to 2017 I had a different account I forgot about that heavily edited the Colorado Coal Field War pages.) Unless you are willing to actually go through the sections you have deleted, I fail to see the value in your forced "ownership" of PA school district articles. I was willing to pick out the valuable information, and did so by already deleting half of the section in question (with plans to further edit as my time permits). My understanding is that wiki standards recommend you revert back after major edits if there is a complaint, as Nightenbelle recommended. Delphinium1 (talk) 19:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Delphinium1: The thing I'm most concerned about is the reintroduction of the long-term abuse by Raindrop73 back in to the article namespace. I've been able to eliminate it in hundreds of other articles without an issue. I have an idea: could you maybe copy something like this revision (or some place you want to start working on) into your sandbox, where you can work on it at your leisure, and when you're happy with it, you can reincorporate it back into this page? Or you can re-add any nuggets that you find to the article piece by piece . Ideally they'd be things that set this school district apart from the thousands of school districts in the US, and it'd be even better if they had at least regional/state coverage. I have checked through the article and can't find anything that really stands out at me in a positive way ... the bit about Sam Moore is hyperlocal politics that absolutely does *not* belong here. Also re the Colorado article: checking through the page history stats using this tool, perhaps you were Jalsing88. Graham8719:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, you were able to eliminate it in other articles without issue because nobody was also in the process of repairing those articles. I work slowly, but I was undergoing a much larger effort to rehome much of the valuable information contained in the article to a more appropriate page. I began this with teacher strikes, which was a significant undertaking. I hesitate to do any more edits on wiki as you are now watching my every move and extremely critical that any of this information is of any importance, despite other wikipedia editors arguing that it is in fact relevant. Delphinium1 (talk) 20:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking - I'm not coming back 'til the drama board dramatics have fizzled out, but once they do, I'd be willing to take that look at secondary sources, if it's still wanted. I'll be around in IP form as usual, probably hovering near the Teahouse. 97.126.106.3 (talk) 12:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
